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- From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
- Newsgroups: sci.math
- Subject: Re: Why are Some Journals so Expensive?
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- Date: 30 Jul 92 15:17:01 GMT
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- In article <92211.212853U53644@uicvm.uic.edu> U53644@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
- >No, the mathematical community is not the only available collection of
- >consumers.
-
- >The problem here is that people forget that the same presses that can be used
- >to put out Math books and journals, can be used to put out publications on any
- >other subject as well. If the publisher doesn't like the Math market, he can
- >expand into others (which will probably be more lucrative anyway). The Math
- >market, as dear to all of our hearts as it may be, is a piddling little market.
- >No flame here, there's just no polite way to say it - some people here think
- >that they have more clout than they actually have. (Collectively, the Math
- >community has darn close to none, economically or politically - how much can a
- >collection of a few thousand middle class people have ?)
-
- >And in case one point wasn't clear - I am not suggesting that the quality of
- >the contents is a minor issue (far from it). Just that frills like having
- >nice, glossy paper, staples along the side rather than on the front, and other
- >cosmetic issues are. If one can produce a cheaper journal by sacrificing that,
- >I see no reason to not do so.
-
- Many of the journals are essentially started by a few individuals in concert
- with a publisher. As long as libraries were willing to get them, they could
- charge an amount based on that. Unfortunately, far too many of them get
- enough articles by good enough people so that there are problems with
- discontinuing the subscription. In addition, mathematicians starting
- these journals did not consider the costs.
-
- The math community, collectively, has far more clout here than would be
- expected. But it would take a major effort by the top scholars to do it.
- Organizations such as the American Mathematical Society tend to get too
- many ex-scholars in power, and these push expensive procedures.
-
- Also, as long as scholars do not have to pay for expensive journals out
- of scarce funds, they have no reason to try to do much to stop just
- paying high prices. And it is work to do it; the cheaper publishers
- typically provide far more work for the often unpaid managing editors
- of societies.
-
- Until we get a good means of handling mathematical contributions outside
- the journal method, and the even worse method of proceedings of symposia,
- this will continue. At the time these started, they were the only way of
- cutting the costs of individual publication and distribution; apparently
- Newton was the first to publish new results in a journal. Before that,
- only books and pamphlets written by single authors were used for this
- purpose.
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- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
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