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- From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
- Newsgroups: sci.math
- Subject: Re: Choice and Measurability
- Message-ID: <84055@netnews.upenn.edu>
- Date: 22 Jul 92 13:59:48 GMT
- References: <1992Jul21.183209.8629@Princeton.EDU>
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- Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
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- In-reply-to: carabalo@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David G. Caraballo)
-
- In article <1992Jul21.183209.8629@Princeton.EDU>, carabalo@phoenix (David G. Caraballo) writes:
- >"Solovay in 1964 proved that the assertion 'all sets are Lebesgue
- >measurable' is consistent with ZF and a restricted version of choice.
- >This restricted version of choice, called the countable axiom of choice,
- >asserts that every countable set of non-empty sets has a choice function."
- > Malitz, _Introduction to Mathematical Logic_, p.49
-
- >I had something similar in my own notes (which is why I posted something to
- >this effect -- included above). I am not prepared to disregard my notes
- >(and now, the above reference) without seeing an actual proof that my claim
- >"M is consistent with ZF and Countable Choice" is false. If someone has a
- >proof, I would love to see it. Thank you.
-
- You and Malitz (assuming there is no redeeming context) are both inaccurate.
-
- That's all. Referring to less than DC, and leaving out the role of the
- inaccessible, is an inaccuracy. As you now know, Con(ZFC)=>Con(ZF+DC+M)
- is false, so leaving out I is inaccurate. Getting worked up over other
- putative charges is strawman silliness.
- --
- -Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
-