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- From: djvelleman@amherst.edu
- Subject: Re: You know, the integers (was: Re: Stupid question about FLT)
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- Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:54:55 GMT
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- In article <BrquHt.E5p@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>, jnjohann@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Jan Johannsen) writes:
- >
- > Following this thread I always wondered why noone ever mentioned the following
- > possible answer:
- >
- > Take the axioms for the upper half of a discretely ordered ring (about 15 axioms)
- > and add the (infinite) \omega-rule of induction:
- >
- > A(0) A(s0) A(ss0) A(sss0) ....
- > --------------------------------------
- > \forall x A(x)
- >
- > Then every true (first order) sentence about the integers is provable
- > with this machinery, and vice versa.
- > Thus we have characterized the integers up to elementary equivalence.
-
- And what exactly does the "..." in the rule above refer to? Your
- "characterization" of the integers has the integers hidden in it.
-
- Dan Velleman
- Dept. of Mathematics & Computer Science
- Amherst College
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