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- From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.super
- Subject: Re: Fujitsu and America
- Keywords: Supercomputer, parallel processing, foreign
- Message-ID: <1992Jul30.165726.23301@nas.nasa.gov>
- Date: 30 Jul 92 16:57:26 GMT
- References: <1992Jul28.152513.27457@athena.mit.edu> <40173@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> <1992Jul29.181851.12025@news.eng.convex.com>
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- John's disclaimer noted.
-
- In article <1992Jul29.181851.12025@news.eng.convex.com>
- jgardner@convex.com (John B. Gardner) writes:
- >Namely this; A very large number of supercomputers purchased by the govt.
- >are for military or security operations (note, I don't *know* this, but I'd
- >say it's a pretty safe bet). Relying on a foreign power for support, parts,
- >maintenance, etc. of a component that would be critical in wartime would be
- >extremely dangerous.
-
- It's an international world, and the US spends a good deal for foreign
- technology for its own military from countries like England, Israel, etc.
-
- >Now i hardly expect we will ever go to war with Japan, but lines of
- >comunication and shipping capabilities could be seriously hampered if we
- >were at war with _anyone_.
-
- True.
-
- >Imagine if the JEWC operations center,
-
- I missed that talk. It sounded like (from the Keynote) like it would be
- interesting.
-
- >Get the picture? We (the U.S.), were in fact
- >aided in our war effort by U.S. computer parts (printers) which had been
- >shipped to Iraq and covertly modified for just such an occurence.
-
- This story has largely been relegated to an April Fools Day joke.
- Not to say it can't happen.
-
- >Yes, I work for a U.S. manufacturer of supercomputers, so my opinion is no
- >doubt biased, but the above arguement still has merit, IMHO.
-
- Oh, yes it has some merit.
-
- Disclaimer: I speak for myself and not the Agency.
- It's stupid to shoot yourself in the foot for political reasons when
- good interesting technology exists in the world and you don't get it
- for strictly paper reasons.
-
- If and when these manufacturers come up something interesting, we should
- make an effort to evaluate it. While the up-sized, IBM compatible
- architectures produced so far are basically just faster versions of
- antiquated architectures, future machines do deserve a look see.
- Non-technical posts don't help this argument, and limited resource machines
- (single machines) make using them difficult [i.e. we'd all have to share,
- as well as obscure OSes or languages, etc.], one or two useful ideas
- may result from research. The argument about US jobs is short term.
- Our looking at their technology COULD engender new jobs on our turf if
- we make our ground fertile. A similar situation happened about 40 years ago
- with the transistor.
-
- Face it, people who are going to post press releases should be plastered
- with all the real simple (then hard) technical questions: like numbers
- of processors, cooling, packaging, software, new languages and OS
- (maybe THOSE should be the FAQs?).
-
- --eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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- A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
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