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- From: "bill dehaan" <bill.dehaan@canrem.com>
- Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
- Subject: nt, an assessment
- Message-ID: <1992Jul22.2712.2779@dosgate>
- Date: 22 Jul 92 21:55:33 EST
- Reply-To: "bill dehaan" <bill.dehaan@canrem.com>
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- Organization: Canada Remote Systems
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- In article <1992Jul20.2712.2650@dosgate>, Stephen Dawson writes:
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- SD>NT will be better than OS/2 2.0.
-
- Better in some ways, worse in others.
-
- SD> It will offer better message
- SD>control on the desktop. Other features (security, and POSIX are
- SD>largely irrelevent),
-
- Largely irrelevant to YOU, perhaps. Not to others. Posix and security
- requirements make using OS/2 very difficult for government contract bids;
- NT meets (and exceeds) these requirements.
-
- SD> but OS/2 is a moving target. A delay in NT's
- SD>release until 2Q 1993 means it will be competing with OS/2 2.1.
-
- It would, possibly. What makes you think that NT will slip to 2Q93? It is
- currently listed as going out 4Q92, although consensus is that it will not
- be ready until 1Q93. Are you basing this on fact, or is it speculation?
-
- SD>There will be a major OS/2 2.0 CSD in September, and a
-
- Our IBM rep has said this, yes.
-
- SD>multi-processor version in November.
-
- But not this. Where did you hear this?
-
- SD>There is the Windows user who is happy. If the user is still using
- SD>Windows after OS/2 2.0 has been around for a year, the user doesn't
- SD>need NT. That user will be waiting for Windows 4.0.
-
- Which many people think NT is.
-
- SD>Microsoft is a bit of a bind. If NT goes to the desktop they lose
- SD>their double upgrade market. DOS and Windows. But if they price the
- SD>upgrade to NT at double price, they will get few upgrades.
-
- This is quite possibly a factor.
-
- SD>And, unless Microsoft wants to lose the small market they must keep
- SD>Windows around. Windows will serve to keep the installed base of NT
- SD>small, so that a critical mass cannot develop. Many apps may never
- SD>get past version 1.0.
-
- We'll see. I tend not to speculate too much on the OS wars; things change too
- fast to get any accurate predictions.
-
- SD>They were not prepared for the volume! But, now that Cannavino and
- SD>Personal Systems have full control of OS/2 2.0 advertising and
- SD>marketing, we can expect a very significant IBM 'presence'.
-
- God, I hope so. I was at IBM labs when OS/2 was released. The internal
- screaming about the abysmal marketing was louder than the external complaining.
- And they had every right to complain. I want to see IBM actually *sell* this;
- why should *I* be the one to explain to my accountant what OS/2 is? He'd never
- even heard of it. Mass marketing doesn't mean just Fortune magazine.
-
- MT>Fine, it'll be late, but it'll most probably be out within a year. And
- MT>of course it'll have problems since it's only an alpha at the moment.
-
- SD>And OS/2 will continue to gain momentum.
-
- I sincerely hope so. There are some real problems that need to be addressed:
- SVGA driver support, tape support, backup problems, WPS instability, performance
-
- SD>Yes. Microsoft was saying that the full Win32 API would be available
- SD>for Windows, eventually. They seem to backing off that promise. It
- SD>may be a way of differentiating NT from Windows 4.0.
-
- Our MS contact has said pretty much the same thing.
-
- SD>That is a risky move. Microsoft is developing a reputation for not
- SD>keeping its promises.
-
- We'll see. I don't think that they are quite that bad, but MS reputation in
- large MIS shops is pretty bad, I'll agree.
-
- SD>No. Olsen developed tunnel vision for VAX/VMS and didn't see, or
- SD>else refused to accept that the market was changing.
-
- Hadn't thought of that. Good analogy.
-
- SD>I think Gates is developing a similar fixation with NT. If Microsoft
- SD>doesn't release some OS/2 2.0 apps before 2Q 1993, they will never
- SD>have the same share of the app market they enjoy today.
-
- Well, certainly not for OS/2. I think WinWord could definately snag a good
- percentage of OS/2 word processing (and not the current WinWord for OS/2),
- but WordPerfect will probably get the foot up ahead of time. Getting that
- foot in the door is all important, as we all know.
-
- SD>That is why Lotus, WordPerfect, Borland, etc. will be very aggresive
- SD>in the OS/2 2.0 market. They see a level playing field.
-
- They are also playing in ALL of the fields, but I tend to agree anyway.
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