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- From: jdailey@dadd.ti.com (Jim Dailey,JDLY,)
- Subject: Re: Paid Microsoft employees
- Message-ID: <1992Jul22.131509.20473@csc.ti.com>
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- Organization: Design Automaton Div., Texas Instruments, Inc.
- References: <1992Jul21.233140.5660@microsoft.com>
- Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:15:09 GMT
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- gordonl@microsoft.com (Gordon Letwin) writes:
- >
- >Here are some quotes of IBM employees disparaging Microsoft and microsoft
- >products:
- >
- > This is where OS/2 2.0 wins big over Windows. There's a genuine operating
- > system controlling the machine, not a souped up program loader and
- >--------------------------------------- ^^^^^^^^
- > filesystem (eg DOS)
- >
- >This IBM employee disparages DOS by calling it a "souped up program loader".
-
- Somehow I doubt that most DOS users would call this disparaging--exaggerated
- maybe (because of the souped up part :-))--but not disparaging. Besides, I
- think he was referring to Windows as the souped up program loader and DOS as
- the filesystem.
-
- > [Lengthly post from margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) deleted]
- >
- >This posting contains a series of disparagements and snide remarks.
- >He ridicules NT shipping dates, and ridicules Windows programs. He
- >accuses MS of flipflopping.
-
- Sorry, Gordon. I think you are really stretching it here. Some of the
- parts of his post you are referring to are followed by smileys, for
- God's sake! BTW, what is the NT 1.0 (or 3.1 or whatever it will be
- called) shipping date (as a Microsoft spokesman, please)? Inquiring
- minds ...
-
- >
- > > What are all the 286 owners going to run? :-)
- >
- > I've been running OS/2 1.x for years. Why would I want to downgrade
- >=============================================================^^^^^^^^^
- > to Windows? :-)
-
- Again, note the smiley. Okay, so the smiley doesn't mask the TRUTH of
- his statement--so what? He simply said that OS/2 1.x is better than
- Windows. This does not disparage MS or Windows, does it?
-
- > >What's Gordon's problem, why does'nt he just go back to the MessySoft
- > >groups.
- >
- > Well, it's nice to hear the other side of the story. Unfortunately, more of-
- > ten than not, it's unmitigated bull.
- >
- >this IBM employee accuses me of "raving", and then asserts that
- >my postings are often "unmitigated bull". Perhaps the readership
- >will repost any of my postings in which I directly and personally
- >slandered IBM employees.
-
- Well, I have to say that this reply is being written because *I* thought
- your post on the subject was fairly "raving" and "full of bull".
-
- >My file of such stuff goes on and on, but this is enough.
-
- I disagree--this is not enough--it's not anything.
-
- >To make things perfectly clear, I don't give a hoot about such "ravings"
- >and "unmittigated bull", myself. However, two different IBM lawyers sent
- >me threatening letters trying to force me off of the net. This was in
- >response to my posting about the amount of assembly language in the product.
- >
- >Note that the civilized way, if you're unhappy with someone's posts, is
- >to complain to them and ask them to moderate their behavior. You then
- >fall back on the legal threats if and only if:
- >
- > 1) your complaint is valid and your threats are real, and
- > 2) you've exhausted less drastic means
- >
- >IBM went directly to the serious legal threats, written to folks who
- >they assumed were my bosses, hoping to get me fired. More, they had
- >no basis for the complaints; their arguments were unmitigated bullshit.
- >
- >So I sent them a little reply about IBM's postings on the net. The
- >above examples are excerpted from page after page of stuff that I sent back.
- >I said that I had been laughing off the personal attacks by IBM, but
- >since IBM was talking major damage suits as an appropriate response to
- >postings then it seemed like a good idea to me...
- >
- >I never heard back from the IBM lawyer, but I have noticed a quieting
- >of IBM postings. Perhaps there's a correlation.
- >
- >By the way; this has nothing to do with Larry Solomon's departure from IBM.
- >
- > gordon letwin
- > not a spokesperson for microsoft
-
- I assume your post included the *best* parts of the "page after page" of
- stuff you sent IBM's lawyers. If so, and if this caused them to run and
- hide, they had no reason. Personally, I believe IBM simply wants to
- generate/maintain (take your pick) a "professional" image, and so asked
- for extreme conservatism in net posting.
- ---
- Jim jdailey@dadd.ti.com Speaking only for myself and like-minded persons.
-
-