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- From: "bill dehaan" <bill.dehaan@canrem.com>
- Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
- Subject: microsoft employees
- Message-ID: <1992Jul21.2712.2729@dosgate>
- Date: 21 Jul 92 21:42:52 EST
- Reply-To: "bill dehaan" <bill.dehaan@canrem.com>
- Distribution: comp
- Organization: Canada Remote Systems
- Lines: 90
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- In <1992Jul15.061138.1074@midway.uchicago.edu>, min-woong sohn writes:
-
- MS>I agree on the condition that MS-employees do not do two things on the
- MS>net:
-
- MS>1) They should not promote their own products on the public forum funded by
- MS>people's taxes.
-
- Exactly what net do you think you're on? This is USENET, Min. Despite
- the number of government employees and sites you see, this is NOT a
- government funded net. Your university is, but Usenet is a bit more than
- a plaything for universities.
-
- MS> Recently I saw a post by a microsoft employee who said
- MS>that one can upgrade to MSC for something like $139. This was an information
- MS>which was not solicited by any party in the thread and actually we were talki
- MS>about their competitor's good upgrade pricing. Well, if this person was
- MS>not posting from microsoft.com, then we might think he was just trying to
- MS>help. But he is a salaried microsoft employee who benefit from selling
- MS>the product he was passing the information on. I think if he was trying to
- MS>help he should use e-mail or some other medium. Instead he chose a public
- MS>forum to do that at the expense of Borland. This leads to the second point.
-
- Ah, it was "at the expense of Borland". Presumably Borland has some
- favoured status so that their products can be discussed on the net, but
- not Microsoft's? Wrong. Anybody can post anything, anytime. The only
- restriction (by either convention or moderator) is that the post should
- be relevant to the group in question. A comment on the pricing of a
- C/C++ compiler in a comp.os.* newsgroup is certainly relevant.
-
- MS>2) They should not **demote** their competitors products on the public forum.
- MS>By demote, I mean saying things that will adversely affect people's choices
- MS>on the product in question. I have once seen a guy from microsoft saying
- MS>he would want to see a **real good** product coming out of IBM when in the
- MS>thread a person (not from IBM, of course) asked if MS has ever published
- MS>a real good product (This might not be the exact transcription of what was
- MS>really said).
-
- So it's acceptable that people badmouth MS, saying that they can't write
- code, but you don't think that MSers should be able to respond by asking
- what people consider good code? I followed the thread in question, Min.
- Nobody from Microsoft published anything out of line (at least that I
- saw).
-
- MS> One might say, this is not a serious offense. Granted. But
- MS>still that is only a tip of an iceberg. I have seen many posts that conveys
- MS>derogatory messages (very subtle but clear in intention and meaning conveyed)
- MS>about os/2 and its doomed future. One MS employee even went so far as to
- MS>say that os/2 has no place on the desktop because Windows and NT will
- MS>take care of the whole gamut from the low end all the way up. This was poste
- MS>on a thread (I believe) cross-posted to one of the os/2 related groups. I can
- MS>dig it up if you want the evidence. All these from microsoft employees do no
- MS>sound good to me. My opinion is that they are on the verge of abusing public
- MS>forum to benefit their company and themselves.
-
- You're right. People should only use the net to ***demote*** their own
- companies and themselves. Like you're doing.
-
- MS>BTW, they all claim that they do not speak for microsoft. I believe that the
- MS>believe it. But a Ford employee touting a Ford card in a automobile related
- MS>news group does not sound like a unmotivated factual talk.
-
- Or, maybe, they might actually KNOW something about Microsoft products
- and be able to add something to the discussion?
-
- MS>I want point out one last thing: Have you ever seen an IBMer either
- MS>defending os/2 or attacking windows or windows nt.
-
- Speaking as someone who just spent two years at IBM: yes. Constantly.
- You want their names? If I were an IBMer, I'd be one of them.
-
- MS> Also have you seen
- MS>many people other than microsoft employees defending windows?
-
- Constantly. I *am* one of them.
-
- Min, I hope you don't take this as a flame. It isn't intended as such.
- But I think you should learn a LOT more about Usenet and the behaviour
- of newsgroups before you start casting the type of aspersions you've
- been saying here.
-
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