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- From: bill.dehaan@canrem.com (bill dehaan)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
- Subject: nt, an assessment
- Message-ID: <1992Jul21.2712.2725@dosgate>
- Date: 22 Jul 92 02:42:50 GMT
- Reply-To: "bill dehaan" <bill.dehaan@canrem.com>
- Distribution: comp
- Organization: Canada Remote Systems
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- In article <mumble>, Stephen Dawson writes:
-
- SD>The impact that Windows/NT will have in the market place does not
- SD>seem to have been properly analysed.
-
- Overanalysed? Yes. Properly analysed? No.
-
- SD>As I write this, I am sure that OS/2 2.0 sales have passed the 1
- SD>million mark and show no signs of slowing down. What are the chances
- SD>that Windows/NT will sell 1 million copies?
-
- Pretty damn good, from what I can see. I have already seen 50,000 orders
- already being allocated in one company I do work for.
-
- SD>Can we expect at least 1 in 10 Windows users to move to NT? Will
-
- The average user? No. Development/MIS/"power" user? Probably. NT is
- targeting the same type of user that OS/2 is: same hardware
- requirements, same functions (mostly). If you can run OS/2 on your
- machine, you can run Windows/NT, and vice versa.
-
- SD>Microsoft offer an upgrade price of less than $100? I doubt it, and
-
- I expect that they will. They will probably also have OS/2 and Windows
- 3.1 upgrade offers galore. They did it with 3.0, they did it with 3.1,
- why wouldn't they do it with NT? Sure, they will up the price later, but
- coming out of the starting blocks, expect to see it pretty cheap.
-
- SD>that means very few will upgrade, since those still using Windows in
- SD>1993 will be fairly happy with it, and will be more likely to wait
- SD>for Windows 4.0.
-
- Possibly. Depends upon what 4.0 is, and when it comes out.
-
- SD>Where will new users come from? There are three sources. Existing
- SD>users of SQL Server on OS/2 1.3 seem to be almost a sure thing,
- SD>unless Sybase releases their product for OS/2 2.0. In that case many
- SD>will stay with OS/2. If SQL Server is only available on NT, then all
- SD>10,000 users can be expected to move to NT quickly.
-
- I'll take this as a given.
-
- SD>Another source may be users coming from the UNIX platform. Already
- SD>some have switched to OS/2. I suspect this is an application
- SD>dependent question, and here is where NT is at a disadvantage. Users
-
- I expect that it is application founded as well. But you think that NT
- has a DISadvantage? OEMs are tripping over themselves to be "NT ready";
- MS has been speaking with companies about drivers a YEAR before the ship
- date (as opposed to IBM's almost casual response a month AFTER ship to
- see if anyone wanted drivers), and companies like Borland have already
- reached alpha and even beta level with development products.
-
- SD>will move from UNIX to OS/2 because the OS costs $100, instead of
- SD>$1,000. There is plenty of time for apps to move, and well written
- SD>UNIX code should move to OS/2 quite easily. NT seems to be priced at
-
- I agree.
-
- SD>$400-500 and will offer a much smaller incentive to UNIX users. This
- SD>will be samll change.
-
- Eh. I'd take this on a case by case basis.
-
- SD>The third source will be downsizers. For those moving from the mini
- SD>NT seems a good product to evaluate. Those in DEC shops will give NT
- SD>a hard look because of the Alpha platform, and the likelihood of DEC
- SD>financial trouble continuing. (Aside: Olsen is gone, and DEC's loss
- SD>for 1991-92 will exceed $1 billion when announced next week.)
-
- I didn't know how much DEC was hurting; that sounds like a lot. But I
- expect every MIS shop in the country will evaluate NT; and unlike OS/2,
- which has a reputation as a fiasco since 1987, the name "Windows" is
- golden to the consumer. Hell, NT has almost NOTHING to do with Windows,
- but MS isn't stupid enough to throw away the golden goose, here.
-
- SD>How many units do we have? Perhaps 100,000.
-
- I'd say a LOT higher. I know about 75 contractors in the Toronto area.
- Even though OS/2 is available (here, now, today), I'd say only five of
- us use it or are interested in it. About 50 are waiting for NT (many
- went down to SF last week for the NT seminar), and the others are
- sitting on the fence. A small sampling, to be sure, but still, it
- indicates that the undercurrent of interest in NT is very strong.
-
- The other groups you've ignored are those people who will be doing NT
- work because of the features OS/2 lacks: security, Posix, etc. And
- anybody currently doing Windows development will take a look at NT; how
- many more is that? More than a few.
-
- SD>Microsoft has a problem in positioning NT. No longer is anyone
- SD>seriously comparing Windows 3.1 to OS/2 2.0. The expensive marketing
- SD>that Microsoft staged at the recent NT show indicates their degree
- SD>of concern.
-
- It shows their COMMITMENT. Microsoft is taking NT very seriously. They
- are being more open with NT material now than IBM is with OS/2
- information ("June CSD?"). No argument that OS/2 has lit a fire under
- their butt, but I wouldn't exactly call them running scared.
-
- SD>But NT was supposed to be the super server. Can MS convince the
- SD>market to downsize NT, without destroying the Windows market? It is
- SD>a high stakes game they are playing.
-
- Yes, it is. And they've got a lot of experience playing it.
-
- SD>NT will not be ready on time. It is far to complex, and the problems
- SD>are starting to be reported in the media. According to Spencer in PC
- SD>Week the NT API is missing a volume control for sound. Hmmmmm....
-
- And OS/2 is missing the capability to back itself up. Keep things in
- perspective.
-
- SD>Further MS seems to be backing off full 32 support for Windows. But,
- SD>as Charles Petzold demonstrated convincingly in a recent article in
- SD>MSJ, 32 bit code is essential for good performance.
-
- NT will be 32 bit windows. What you're thinking of is NT programs being
- able to run on Win32s, which they seem to have dropped. And as for
- performance, even the NT alpha we have, with debugging code galore, is
- still snappier than OS/2's sluggish response.
-
- SD>It is my view that Gates is going to pull a "Ken Olsen" with
- SD>Windows/NT.
-
- Doubt it, but we'll see.
-
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