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- From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar Mukund Mirashi)
- Subject: Re: English English versus *American* English
- Message-ID: <1992Jul30.173452.10941@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>
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- Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:34:52 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul30.065142.16716@midway.uchicago.edu> goer@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
- >mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar Mukund Mirashi) by chance utters
- >
- >This is too much fun. And Mandar doesn't seem to realize why.
- >
- >Mandar, if you had and English father and mother, and if English were
- >the language spoken in your home from the time you first popped out of
- >your mum's womb, then you *would* be a native speaker. Your dialect
- >of English would be a direct, lineal descendent of a parent dialect-
- >group we call "English." The same would be true of any group of people
- >who maintained English in their households.
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- As I mentioned earlier...that is not the sole criterion a native
- speaker is judged by.
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- >
- >Is this what you are arguing happened in the US? If so, then prove
- >it by sound argument. Which, for instance, is more innovatory: To
- >pronounce a postvocalic "r", or to drop it? Which is more innovatory,
- >to spell Greek -izdo: endings as -ise or -ize? Which is more inno-
- >vatory, to pronounce dictionary with an elided a-vowel or to keep the
- >vowel?
- >
- I am not a master of the English language...perhaps an
- Englishman will answer this question better...
-
- >I suppose you are not concerned with originality, though. Your cri-
- >terion seems to be whatever is spoken in English public schools. Where
- >*did* you take on this obsession? I suppose you haven't heard: The
- >English spoken in public schools has to be taught to many of the chil-
- >dren. They, as native speakers, speak different dialects. I suppose
- >you'll say that they aren't native speakers, either? Or will you emu-
- >late Cockney for us? If not, then you must admit that you are excluding
- >legitimate English dialects indigenous to England.
-
-
- You are mixing up colloquial and written English! My argument
- is against defacing written English. There are, I agree, many English
- dialects all over the world......but the written English standard is
- the one set by Englishmen.
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