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- From: asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...)
- Newsgroups: alt.irc
- Subject: Re: Useless Bots
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- Message-ID: <1992Jul28.010325.20634@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
- Date: 28 Jul 92 01:03:25 GMT
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- StarWatcher@uiuc.edu was telling me...
- >asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...) writes:
- >: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu was telling me...
- >: >asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...) writes:
- >
-
- It starts to look kinda pretty after a while...
-
-
- >[re op-bots:]
- >:I figure most of
- >:the people who are on #bondage like the security of the channel. Other places
- >:I think not. Still #bondage can be managed just fine w/o Monitor.
- >
- >Mebbie, but it wouldn't be the same channel if there wasn't some sort
- >of channel-keeper. If invite/op bots were outlawed, there would probably
-
- Hah...what a defense.
-
- >be a few #bondage regulars who would incorporate monitor's features into
- >their own .ircrc's, and just stay logged in to irc all the time. Then
- >what? Would you start wanting them to be banned? If that happens, we
- >ought to start banning all of the ops who stay logged in for 16-20 hours
- >a day, but are more often away than there.
-
- Could be. I never said that I was out to get them banned (the 'solution'
- I presented in the post you replied to was just a counter to the other
- argument...it wasn't indended to express my personal views)
-
- >:>Is the idea of only opping certain people elitist? Perhaps, depending
- >:>on who the bot recognizes. I would have objections to a bot whose sole
- >:
- >:Haha, I love this. Depending on who$the bot ops varys it's elitist state?
- >:Sounds like 'If It doesn't op me, it's elitist.'
- >
- >Isn't this just the perfect example of taking someone's comments out of
- >context? :-) Read on Fred....
- >
- >:>purpose in life is to /invite and op one particular person to a (or
- >:>a few) channel(s). I don't see any problems with bots with invite/op
- >:>lists of 50-60 people for one "regular" channel, especially if the bot
- >:>is being updated fairly frequently, and if the human channel ops are
- >:>willing to let new people on channel fairly regularly. The bots in between
- >:>*shrug* I haven't had to deal with them.
- >:
- >:Your main argument for the robot is for invite purposes? Then why doesn't
- >:it jsut do that instead of oping people? What's the point there?
- >
- >Then the channel would not be a reasonably "open" one. Is there a way
- >to code a bot to "invite all people except those who have been jerks
- >on this channel before, or who have harassed regular channel users
- >in /msg's under various nicks"? That$kind of bot would< IMhO, be too
-
- Yes, this is so easy, it's the same code that does the invite and op
- 'special people'
-
- Brief summary.
- /msg bot invite
- <bot checks user@host of msger>
- if msger !mean_nasty_person user@host then invite.
-
-
- I have such code in my C robot, it likes some people, is indifferent to
- others, and dislikes others...
-
-
- >cumbersome to write and maintain to be practical. And what happens
-
- Just as cumbersome to maintain a list of 'trusted' people.
-
- >when the bot's home mainframe dies unexpectedly? You are left with
- >a channel with no ops, necessitating the channel-hopping two-step to
- >get an op, or an inability for the bot to get back on channel when its
- >home machine comes back up.
-
- Oh my! work for users? change channels for a second? What torture!
- <insert extreme sarcasm here>
-
- >
- >:>Of course, there is the obvious solution for people who have problems
- >:>with the attitudes of the op-bot or of the towers-that-be for a given
- >:>channel: Tough! If you don't like it, go form your own channel.
- >:>Yes, it sounds like a harsh answer, but it should be an obvious one.
- >:
- >: There is also another obvious solution who have problems with
- >: op bots (just a valid as yours) get rid of them all.
- >
- >But which suggestion can be implemented easier and more practicly? :-)
-
- Too true...my personal view isn't to kill them all...too much effort.
- I just would rather discourage people from making them.
-
-
- -Alex
-
- --
- ---King Claudius--- claudius@zeus.calpoly.edu
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