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- From: asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...)
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- Subject: Re: Useless Bots
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- Message-ID: <1992Jul28.005104.20397@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
- Date: 28 Jul 92 00:51:04 GMT
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- Upholder@uiuc.edu (THE Upholder of Truth) was telling me...
- >>Your main argument for the robot is for invite purposes? Then why doesn't
- >>it jsut do that instead of oping people? What's the point there?
- >
- >The point is, if they are trusted enough to be invited without consulting
- >the others on the channel (because they are on a list of 'trusted' users)
- >then they are truested enought to also be opped.
- >
-
- Why do they need to be opped if they ahve a robot to take care of the channel?
- Seems to eliminate the usefulness of people ops.
-
-
- >Take the following as an example:
- >
- >MyBot is sitting on channel #Just-people-for-MyBot which is +i and MyBot
- >is the only operator.
- >
- >luser OwnerOfBot ask for and is given an invite because he is trusted by
- >MyBot, but MyBot doesn't op him. Now we have a person on the channel who
- >isn't operator and a bot who is. The Bot is at this point the only one who
- >can invite.. and if the bot never ops anyone, then the bot will always be
- >the only one who can invite...
-
- So? I know all about jenbot2/monitor code. You can instruct the robot to
- invite manually. It's not that hard. It saves a lot of mode traffic.
-
- >I see more problems with the scenerio than with a bot that ops those people
- >it invites....
- >
-
- I don't
-
- >>>Of course, there is the obvious solution for people who have problems
- >>>with the attitudes of the op-bot or of the powers-that-be for a given
- >>>channel: Tough! If you don't like it, go form your own channel.
- >>>Yes, it sounds like a harsh answer, but it should be an obvious one.
- >
- >>There is also another obvious solution who have problems with
- >>op bots (just a valid as yours) get rid of them all.
- >
- >Call me paraniod, but I don't like the idea of 'banning' anything.
-
- But you do like the idea of invite only channels, which is basically
- banning from a channel.
-
- >I dislike most bots as much as anyone, but the problems inherent
- >in tracking and killing all bots and enforcing such a 'ban' would
- >*IMHO* cause more problems than the bots currently do.
-
- You're right...it WILL be a problem to do that. I'm not out to
- get rid of them all. I'm just out to discourage people from making
- stupid ones that do basically nothing (or something a person can do easily)
-
- >So you ban bots.. no biggie.. I merely add the 'bot code to my
- >client .ircrc... now am I a person (as I'm using the client.. msging,
- >talking, etc|) or a bot (as all the bot code is being used as well)
- >or a cyborg (as I'm both a bot and a person)?
-
- I've done this on occasion. It's not as much of a bother because it's not
- a separate cpu using process. Sorry if I seem to be stuck on that aspect.
- It's jsut that my sys admin here is very keen on it, and I know the effects.
-
- But your exmaple just won't appeal to anyone...beause most robots are there
- for VANITY purposes...peopel like seeing themselves logged in as another
- robot process.
-
- -Alex
-
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