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From: [e-mail]                            15-Sep-99 21:00:00
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 04:37:13
Subj: FAQ: pointer to alt.usenet.offline-reader FAQs

From: [e-mail] (a.u.o FAQ)

Archive-name: offline-reader/usenet/pointer
Alt-usenet-offline-reader-archive-name: pointer
Posting-Frequency: weekly
Last-modified: 1998-Jul-12
Intro-Last-modified: 1998-Nov-21
Software-Last-modified: 1999-Jul-13

[
  Please note that this message has a Followup-To: alt.usenet.offline-reader
  which directs all followups to that one group only.  If you see a response
  directly to this post which spams all the groups on the list, that user is
  either extremely rude or using very broken software.  In either case, they
  might benefit from you mailing them, and asking them to correct it.

  Also note that there are no opinions in this pointer -- it merely contains
  unrefutable facts about the *.answers newsgroups.
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Alt.Usenet.Offline-Reader is about reading mail and news available to
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The alt.usenet.offline-reader FAQ lists can be obtained via all
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``
            Where are *.answers archived?

  All of the *.answers newsgroups are archived in the periodic posting
archive on rtfm.mit.edu [18.181.0.24].  Postings are located in the
anonymous ftp directories /pub/usenet/alt.answers,
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not appear in *.answers (as well as most of the *.answers postings),
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  If you do not have anonymous ftp access, you can access the archives
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  <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/off-line-readers/usenet/software/>

Note that, despite the name including `usenet' and not `mail', discussion of
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From: [e-mail]                                   18-Sep-99 11:44:26
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 11:03:05
Subj: Scandalous prominent photo

From: "Photobank" <[e-mail]>

Scandalous prominent photo
NO CENZORSHIP

http://bradna.hypermart.net





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From: [e-mail]                           18-Sep-99 08:06:15
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 11:03:05
Subj: Re: ProNews - Would U Buy?

From: Bob Germer <[e-mail]>

On <[e-mail]>, on 09/18/99
at 12:10 AM,
   "Luc Van Bogaert" <[e-mail]> said:

> Read my article about ProNews/2 at
> http://users.pandora.be/luc.vanbogaert/pronews.htm

> IMO it's the best newsreader ever build for OS/2 and for any platform
> for that matter. It's truly a real  shame that development seems to have
> stopped permanently.

I tried it. I found it far less useful than MR2 Ice. I don't think anyone
could make it useful enough for me.

In answer to the question in the subject, NO WAY!



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From: [e-mail]                                 18-Sep-99 08:24:21
  To: All                                               18-Sep-99 11:03:06
Subj: UUENCODE plugin/helpers

From: "Flowers, Rich & Peg" <[e-mail]>

Hi,

I seem to remember that there was a way to add a plugin/helper to
Netscape to automatically un-encode news/mail when opened.  does anyone
remember?

TIA,
Rich Flowers

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From: [e-mail]                               18-Sep-99 12:40:05
  To: All                                               19-Sep-99 06:48:21
Subj: Re: DNReader Patch install problem

From: [e-mail] (I Hate SPAM)

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:14:59 GMT, Tom <[e-mail]> wrote:
>On 1999/09/14, in message <WWqD3.98$[e-mail]>,
>I HATE SPAM <[e-mail]> wrote:
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  dnr130B6 with dj_NewsPatch on Warp 4, no fixpacks, DLL's in Libpath,
> get the
> following on running dj_install:
>
>  Loaded RexxUtils DLL functions locally.
>
>  Found RexxLib DLL already available.
>
>  77 +++ Call FileRead 'DNREAD.CNF', 'fix.';
>
>        The file "DNREAD.CNF" is not in the directory with dj_install!
>
>
>  REX0043: Error 43 running C:\dnr\dj_install.CMD, line 77: Routine not
found
>
>  Any hints?
>        I may need to clarify the readme
>
>        New Install:
>
>   1) Unzip the dnr130B6.zip and dj_NewsPatch.zip in the same directory.
>   2) Run the dj_install.cmd.
>   3) Edit the DNREAD.CNF file to reflect your network setup.
>
>
>Previous Install:
>
>   1) Unzip dj_NewsPatch.zip using the -o switch to overwrite any
>      existing files into your dnread directory.
>   2) Run the dj_install.cmd
>
>        Hope this makes better scene.
>

Thanks for the reply. I had done this, same error. I tried the install on
my Warp3 machine, worked flawlessly. On my Warp4 machine, I get the
error. I checked all .dll's in all paths, none are duplicated. I'm
going to try a different Warp4 machine today; I'm also going to zip
up the Warp3 install and copy it to Warp4, to see if it works post-install.

Any other hints?


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:)

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From: [e-mail]                           19-Sep-99 14:08:02
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Re: Tradeproblems

From: [e-mail]

In <01bf026a$36b84c60$75d215a5@fpfzqlga>, on 09/19/99
   at 06:40 AM, "Diane" <[e-mail]> said:

>I need some information regarding the following questions.
>Please mail me if u got any comments on:

>1) What do you think are the trade problems which developing countries
>are facing now?

>2) Do you think the export market is unstable? why?

>3) How will these trade problems lead to financial problems?

>4) What are the developing countries' trade policy? Are they useful?

>thanx
>IcyGer

The question I have for you is why are you so rude that you would put a
completely off-topic post about trade in comp.os.os2.mail-news? Your
question has nothing to do with os2, nothing to do with mail or news, and
is a complete waste of time for everyone reading the newsgroup. Your
questions, which may be perfectly legitimate in another forum, DO NOT
BELONG HERE!

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From: [e-mail]                           19-Sep-99 06:40:26
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 00:54:19
Subj: Tradeproblems

From: "Diane" <[e-mail]>

I need some information regarding the following questions.
Please mail me if u got any comments on:

1) What do you think are the trade problems which developing countries are
facing now?

2) Do you think the export market is unstable? why?

3) How will these trade problems lead to financial problems?

4) What are the developing countries' trade policy? Are they useful?

thanx
IcyGer

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From: [e-mail]                             19-Sep-99 17:50:10
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 03:38:11
Subj: GNKSA Evaluation of Hogwasher 2.0b1

From: [e-mail] (J. Moreno)

Below is my Good Net-Keeping Seal of Approval evaluation of Hogwasher 2.0b1,
a Macintosh offline newsreader from Asar Corp. An earlier version of
Hogwasher passed all of the GNKSA hard requirements but did not satisfy
all the SHOULDs. This version is 100% compliant and continues to carry
Seal # 000006.

The Good Net-Keeping Seal of Approval attempts to establish a
standard for newsreader behavior on Usenet.  For more information
on the aims and requirements of the Good Net-Keeping Seal of
Approval, as well as additional evaluations, see:

   <URL:http://www.xs4all.nl/~js/gnksa/>

This version of Hogwasher is a public beta, the updater from version
1.03 is available at <ftp://ftp.asar.com/updates>.

************************************************************************
                                            GNKSA  Evaluation Form  2.05

Product Name           : Hogwasher
Product Version        : 2.0b1
Tested on platform     : Mac OS 8.6
Available for platforms: Mac OS
Evaluation date        : September 1, 1999
Evaluated by           : John Moreno <[e-mail]>


Conclusion
==========

Hogwasher 2.0b1 satisfies the basic GNKSA requirements, and therefore
from now on may proudly carry the Good Net-Keeping Seal of Approval.


Summary
=======

         Pass   Fail   Total   Pass/Fail%
MUSTs     39      0      39    100%/0%
SHOULDs   27      0      27    100%/0%

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 100%M
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 100%S
                                                   [GNKSA Score-O-Meter]

Details
=======

Hogwasher 2.0b1 offers the following nice net-keeping
features unmentioned by the GNKSA:

1) Support for Mail-Copies-To.
2) Warns when posting to groups that don't exist on the selected server.
3) Discourages directing followups to groups that you're not posting to.


Additional Comments:

6a   - Confirms that you want to let it go by mail.  Passed.

12c  - Has option to post with From of <[e-mail]>.
       Per RFC 2606 all addresses that end in the top level domain
       ".invalid" are guaranteed never to exist. As the USEFOR draft (the
       replacement for RFC 1036) allows From to be an undeliverable
       address IF it is acknowledged as such per RFC 2606 I am marking
       this as: Passed.

13ab - It only allows canceling/superseding articles sent from within
       Hogwasher - you have to issue the command from the Sent Articles
       archive. Excellent.

14b  - Only post lines over 80 on command. Passed.

Good support for multiple servers, will show images inline, and has an
optional graphical display of the thread tree.



Checklist
=========                                                       (M)UST /
                                                                (S)HOULD
1) Displays all essential header information
   Software clearly displays:
   [Y] a) Article's author (From)                                      M
   [Y] b) Article's Subject                                            M
   [Y] c) List of groups posted to (Newsgroups)                        M
   [Y] d) Where (and how) to direct followups (Followup-To)            M
   [Y] e) Where to reply to if not the From-address (Reply-To)         M
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M

2) Provides clear, separate commands for new  posting, followup, and
   e-mail reply
   [Y] a) for posting a new article                                    M
   [Y] b) for posting a followup article                               M
   [Y] c) for replying by e-mail                                       M
   [Y] d) Uses standard terminology                                    S
   [Y] e) Avoids ambiguous terminology                                 S
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M

3) Provides cross-posting functionality
   [Y] a) Allows specifying multiple groups                            M
   [Y] b) Warns about, or prevents, posting to large numbers of groups S
   [Y] c) Strongly encourages setting Followup-To: on large crossposts S
          (`Y' if large crosspostings are disallowed)
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M

4) Allows users to change essential headers
   [Y] a) Allows editing Subject at all times during composition       M
   [Y] b) Allows specifying new Subject of at least 70 characters      M
   [Y] c) Allows setting "Followup-To: poster"                         M
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M

5) Ensures followups and e-mail replies contain a correct Subject
   [Y] a) Prepends "Re: " if (and only if) not already present         M
   [Y] b) Preserves entire original Subject (modulo minor repairs)     M
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M

6) Directs followups to the correct newsgroups
   [Y] a) Initiates e-mail reply rather than a followup posting on
          "Followup-To: poster", clearly informing the user            M
   [Y] b) Posts to groups in Followup-To if present                    M
   [Y] c) Posts to groups in Newsgroups otherwise                      M
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M

7) Make sure followups contain valid References
   [Y] a) Creates References header with Message-ID of original article
          as the last element                                          M
   [Y] b) Includes last three References from original                 M
   [Y] c) Ensures References will fit in 998 characters                M
   [Y] d) Keep as many References from original as fit                 S
   [Y] e) Does not propagate broken Message-IDs in original References S
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M

8) Direct e-mail replies to the correct address
   [Y] a) Uses Reply-To if present                                     M
   [Y] b) Uses From address otherwise                                  M
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M

9) Allow the user to change her mind about whether to post or mail (or
   do both) and behave if doing both
   [Y] a) Allows users to change their mind and mail rather than
          post after having initiated a followup message               S
   [Y] b) Allows users to change their mind and post rather than
          mail after having initiated a reply message                  S
   [Y] c) Does not offer both posting and mailing as default behaviour M
   [Y] d) Inserts a notification that the message was posted as well
          as mailed in the e-mail copy when both posting and mailing
          a followup article                                           S
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M

10) Provide adequate quotation and attribution facilities
    [Y] a) Allows including quoted original                            M
    [Y] b) Clearly distinguishes quoted material                       M
    [Y] c) Prefixes quoted material with `>'/`> '                      S
    [Y] d) Omits correctly delimited signatures from quoted material   S
    [Y] e) Provides a means of indicating which part(s) to followup to S
    [Y] f) Attribution line containing original author precedes quotes M
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M

11) Provide a user-specified "Subject: " header
    [Y] a) Requires non-empty, user-specified Subject for new articles M
    [Y] b) Refuses posting articles without, or with an empty, Subject M
    [Y] c) Does not provide default Subject if user did not set one    M
    [Y] d) Allows changing the Subject at any time while editing       M
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M

12) Provide a valid "From: " header
    [Y] a) Sets "From: " header to syntactically valid e-mail address  M
    [Y] b) Refuses posting articles without a syntactically valid
           "From: " header                                             M
    [Y] c) Uses correct e-mail addresses (valid and belonging to the
           user) only, as far as it can possibly know                  S
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M

13) Allow users to both cancel and supersede their own articles (and
    _no_ others!)
    [Y] a) Allows cancelling articles                                  S
    [Y] b) Allows superseding articles                                 S
    [Y] c) As far as possible, does not allow cancelling or superseding
           other peoples' articles                                     M
    [Y] d) Uses standard terminology                                   S
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M

14) Try to respect the 80-character line-length convention
    [Y] a) Articles are posted as edited, with linebreaking intact     S
    [Y] b) Warns about lines over 80 characters                        S
    [Y] c) Does not refuse to post articles containing long lines      S
    [Y] d) Allows rewrapping quoted text                               S
    [Y] e) Enforces formatting requirements on article after external
           editing (`Y' if there is no support for external editors)   S
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M

15) Separate signatures correctly, and don't use excessive ones
    [Y] a) Uses (and enforces) standard signature delimiter            S
    [Y] b) Warns against or refuses to use excessive signatures        S
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M

16) Try to prevent obvious user errors
    [Y] a) Warns when attempting to post empty articles                M
    [Y] b) Refuses posting empty articles                              S
    [Y] c) Warns when post articles containing quoted material only    M
    [Y] d) Refuses posting quoted-text-only articles                   S
    [Y] e) Warns against posting multiple copies (`Y' if impossible)   M
    [Y] f) Prevents multiple posting entirely                          S
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M

17) Post human-readable articles unless ordered otherwise
    [Y] Does not (and can not) encode or encrypt articles unless
        on explicit user demand                                        M
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M

18) Provide self-protection
    [Y] Allows filtering out annoying articles (killing)               S
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M

19) Be kind to servers, leave room for others
    [Y] a) Does not unnecessarily open multiple connections            M
    [Y] b) Does not generate excessive server load otherwise           M
[Y] PASS: Satisfies all MUSTs                                          M


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John Moreno

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From: [e-mail]                    20-Sep-99 04:19:11
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 03:38:12
Subj: Re: Tradeproblems

From: [e-mail] (Peter Moylan)

Diane <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I need some information regarding the following questions.
>Please mail me if u got any comments on:
>
>1) What do you think are the trade problems which developing countries are
>facing now?
>
>2) Do you think the export market is unstable? why?
>
>3) How will these trade problems lead to financial problems?
>
>4) What are the developing countries' trade policy? Are they useful?

Check the FAQ for comp.lang.modula2.  There's a program there that will
print "I will do my own homework" 100 times.

--
Peter Moylan                                         [e-mail]
See http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au for OS/2 information and software

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From: [e-mail]                              20-Sep-99 11:51:12
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 20:06:16
Subj: Re: PMINEWS - binaries

From: [e-mail] (Alan Boritz)

In article <[e-mail]>, "Rodney D. Myers"
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:52:46 GMT, Mooo wrote:
>
>A known problem, for some.. You need to contact Southsoft about getting an
update to
>the program.
>
>Remember, they did move recently, so you may not get an answer overnight.
>
>:>Can anyone tell me whats going on with Pmmail/2 and laserjet printers?
>:>I get a solid black 'blob' at the end of every line I print.
>:>
>:>Arrgg!!

Forget about getting an answer from "tech support."  Southsoft appears to be
out of business.  They haven't been supporting PMMail for quite some time.
Rather dishonest for BMT Micro to still be selling licenses for the product
when they know their customers are getting no assistance with serious
problems, IMHO.

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From: [e-mail]                              20-Sep-99 19:33:20
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 20:06:16
Subj: Re: ProNews - Would U Buy?

From: [e-mail] (Vlad Berditchevskiy)

Hi Steve!

On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:05:48, sborsen"at"ibm.net (Steve) wrote:

> Thus far, I like the features of ProNews.  I have NeoLogic and PMINews
> (which SYS3175's constantly).  The question, as an offline reader who
> likes to catalog info, is this a good buy?

ProNews ist the best news reader I have ever seen - on any OS(!) -
although it still has many bugs. Nevertheless I use it because there is
no better alternative.

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cul8r_______________________________________________________________
                                        e-mail: [e-mail]
\  /                                            [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail]                           19-Sep-99 00:05:03
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 20:06:16
Subj: Re: ProNews - Would U Buy?

From: Kenneth Yuill <[e-mail]>

Luc,

Two small points, in an otherwise well-written review, would be to
include the date reviewed and an update to the web site, as
http://www.panaceasoft.com/ is inaccessible, at least to me. Has
Panacea Software folded?
It's a shame when any OS/2 software ceases development, especially one
which receives so many plaudits from its users.
I use MR/2 ICE for e-mail and occasionally for newsgroups, although
it's functionality as a  newsreader are a work in progress, as Nick
still classes it as a Beta. I would be interested in ProNews, if it is
still available and there is a commitment of future development by
Panacea. Otherwise, I'll stick with Nick Knight, where the progress is
real, although not fast as Nick is the whole company, AFAIK.

At the moment, I'm looking at StarOffice 5.1a, which is looking OK,
once I cease making it do two things at once. Any reviews of this
suite for the future, Luc?

BTW, Luc, I'm looking at finally designing a web page and yours makes
an excellent example for me, very neat and crisp with an OS/2 look and
feel (HomePage Publisher?).

Kenn Yuill
        (Remove all obvious spam references from my e-mail to leave kenny
with hawk.igs.net)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 99.09.17, 23:10:11, "Luc Van Bogaert"
<[e-mail]> wrote regarding Re: ProNews - Would U
Buy?:


> Read my article about ProNews/2 at
http://users.pandora.be/luc.vanbogaert/pronews.htm

> IMO it's the best newsreader ever build for OS/2 and for any platform
for that matter. It's truly a real
> shame that development seems to have stopped permanently.


> Luc Van Bogaert
>   I'll be at Warpstock '99... will you ?
>     Visit www.warpstock.org to register for the most important OS/2
event of the year



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From: [e-mail]                           19-Sep-99 03:46:23
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 20:06:16
Subj: Re: ProNews - Would U Buy?

From: Kenneth Yuill <[e-mail]>

Luc,

Two small points, in an otherwise well-written review, would be to
include the date reviewed and an update to the web site, as
http://www.panaceasoft.com/ is inaccessible, at least to me. Has
Panacea Software folded?
It's a shame when any OS/2 software ceases development, especially one
which receives so many plaudits from its users.
I use MR/2 ICE for e-mail and occasionally for newsgroups, although
it's functionality as a  newsreader are a work in progress, as Nick
still classes it as a Beta. I would be interested in ProNews, if it is
still available and there is a commitment of future development by
Panacea. Otherwise, I'll stick with Nick Knight, where the progress is
real, although not fast as Nick is the whole company, AFAIK.

At the moment, I'm looking at StarOffice 5.1a, which is looking OK,
once I cease making it do two things at once. Any reviews of this
suite for the future, Luc?

BTW, Luc, I'm looking at finally designing a web page and yours makes
an excellent example for me, very neat and crisp with an OS/2 look and
feel (HomePage Publisher?).

Kenn Yuill
                (Remove all obvious spam references from my e-mail to
leave kenny
with hawk.igs.net)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 99.09.17, 23:10:11, "Luc Van Bogaert"
<[e-mail]> wrote regarding Re: ProNews - Would U
Buy?:


> Read my article about ProNews/2 at
http://users.pandora.be/luc.vanbogaert/pronews.htm

> IMO it's the best newsreader ever build for OS/2 and for any platform
for that matter. It's truly a real
> shame that development seems to have stopped permanently.


> Luc Van Bogaert
>   I'll be at Warpstock '99... will you ?
>     Visit www.warpstock.org to register for the most important OS/2
event of the year



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From: [e-mail]                                   20-Sep-99 21:43:10
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: PMmail/2 - printing to laser

From: "Rob Burton" <[e-mail]>

It's a fixpack problem. IBM introduced this in 6-7-8-9 or so. It's gone in
FPs 10 and 11.

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:04:18 GMT, Mooo wrote:

|"Tom Perrett" <[e-mail]> wrote:
|
|>On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:52:46 GMT, Mooo wrote:
|>
|>>Can anyone tell me whats going on with Pmmail/2 and laserjet printers?
|>>I get a solid black 'blob' at the end of every line I print.
|>
|>Which make/model, I go to a HP LJ 5
|>without any problem !!!!
|
|Really?  Hmm, I have this exact same problem on HP LJIII, LJ 1100 and
|LJ 6P.  I assumed (incorrectly obviously!) that this was a laserjet
|driver problem.
|
|Anyone got any clues?  Its really annoying.
|
|Craig



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From: [e-mail]                              20-Sep-99 12:23:05
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: ProNews - Would U Buy?

From: [e-mail] (Alan Boritz)

In article <[e-mail]>,
sborsen"at"ibm.net (Steve) wrote:
>Greetings:
>
>Thus far, I like the features of ProNews.  I have NeoLogic and PMINews
>(which SYS3175's constantly).  The question, as an offline reader who
>likes to catalog info, is this a good buy?

Although ProNews is a fairly sophisticated product, it's not that handy for
offline use.  Vsoup and Yarn are much better and faster for offline access,
though very limited in binary decoding capability.

However, consider that it may be a poor choice to buy ANY OS/2 software now
that IBM has announced that there will be no more Warp clients.

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From: [e-mail]                              20-Sep-99 12:30:23
  To: All                                               20-Sep-99 21:25:21
Subj: Re: GNKSA Evaluation of Hogwasher 2.0b1

From: [e-mail] (Alan Boritz)

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (J. Moreno) wrote:
>Below is my Good Net-Keeping Seal of Approval evaluation of Hogwasher 2.0b1,
>a Macintosh offline newsreader from Asar Corp. An earlier version of
>Hogwasher passed all of the GNKSA hard requirements but did not satisfy
>all the SHOULDs. This version is 100% compliant and continues to carry
>Seal # 000006.

Wow, this was really clever.  Posting a voluminous review of a Mac application
in OS/2 and Windows newsgroups.  It's a shame that your "Good Net-Keeping Seal
of Approval" doesn't take into account common sense.

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From: [e-mail]                          20-Sep-99 22:58:24
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:03
Subj: Re: ProNews - Would U Buy?

From: [e-mail] (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 00:05:06, Kenneth Yuill <[e-mail]> a
┌crit dans un message:

> Luc,
>
> Two small points, in an otherwise well-written review, would be to
> include the date reviewed and an update to the web site, as
> http://www.panaceasoft.com/ is inaccessible, at least to me. Has
> Panacea Software folded?

A little DejaReSearch (www.deja.com) would have answered this, I think.
There's a copy of v.1.0 at BMT Micro at:

    ftp://ftp.bmtmicro.com/bmtmicro/pn2_100.zip

and a few builds of the v.1.50 beta are around, too. V.1.50 brings the
ability to access multiple news servers.


> It's a shame when any OS/2 software ceases development, especially one
> which receives so many plaudits from its users.
> I use MR/2 ICE for e-mail and occasionally for newsgroups, although
> it's functionality as a  newsreader are a work in progress, as Nick
> still classes it as a Beta. I would be interested in ProNews, if it is
> still available and there is a commitment of future development by
> Panacea. Otherwise, I'll stick with Nick Knight, where the progress is
> real, although not fast as Nick is the whole company, AFAIK.
>
> At the moment, I'm looking at StarOffice 5.1a, which is looking OK,
> once I cease making it do two things at once. Any reviews of this
> suite for the future, Luc?
>
> BTW, Luc, I'm looking at finally designing a web page and yours makes
> an excellent example for me, very neat and crisp with an OS/2 look and
> feel (HomePage Publisher?).
>
> Kenn Yuill
>         (Remove all obvious spam references from my e-mail to leave kenny
> with hawk.igs.net)
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> On 99.09.17, 23:10:11, "Luc Van Bogaert"
> <[e-mail]> wrote regarding Re: ProNews - Would U
> Buy?:
>
>
> > Read my article about ProNews/2 at
> http://users.pandora.be/luc.vanbogaert/pronews.htm
>
> > IMO it's the best newsreader ever build for OS/2 and for any platform
> for that matter. It's truly a real
> > shame that development seems to have stopped permanently.
>
>
> > Luc Van Bogaert
> >   I'll be at Warpstock '99... will you ?
> >     Visit www.warpstock.org to register for the most important OS/2
> event of the year
>
>
>

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]                             21-Sep-99 01:46:04
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 02:02:04
Subj: Re: ProNews - Would U Buy?

From: [e-mail] (Mark Dodel)

Ah, IBM has not made any such announcement.  They turned down
Stardock's proposal for an OS/2 based client.  I think IBM is stupid
for not promoting OS/2, but they haven't killed it off yet.

Mark


On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:23:10, [e-mail] (Alan Boritz)
wrote:

-)In article <[e-mail]>,
sborsen"at"ibm.net (Steve) wrote:
-)>Greetings:
-)>
-)>Thus far, I like the features of ProNews.  I have NeoLogic and PMINews
-)>(which SYS3175's constantly).  The question, as an offline reader who
-)>likes to catalog info, is this a good buy?
-)
-)Although ProNews is a fairly sophisticated product, it's not that handy for
-)offline use.  Vsoup and Yarn are much better and faster for offline access,
-)though very limited in binary decoding capability.
-)
-)However, consider that it may be a poor choice to buy ANY OS/2 software now
-)that IBM has announced that there will be no more Warp clients.


//---------------------------------------------------------
// From the Desk of: Mark Dodel, RN, BSN, MBA
//             Healthcare Computer Consultant
//                   [e-mail]
//    http://home.ptd.net/~madodel
//
//  For a VOICE in the future of OS/2
//             http://www.os2voice.org/index.html
//---------------------------------------------------------


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From: [e-mail]                                 21-Sep-99 01:34:14
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: Re: PMmail/2 - printing to laser

From: [e-mail] (Mooo)

"Rob Burton" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>It's a fixpack problem. IBM introduced this in 6-7-8-9 or so. It's gone in
>FPs 10 and 11.

Oh I see.  Well at least its fixable.  I'm running fixpack 10, but
maybe its fixed in FP11 or 12.

This is the only place I"ve seen such printing corruption occur.....

Craig

>
>On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:04:18 GMT, Mooo wrote:
>
>|"Tom Perrett" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>|
>|>On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:52:46 GMT, Mooo wrote:
>|>
>|>>Can anyone tell me whats going on with Pmmail/2 and laserjet printers?
>|>>I get a solid black 'blob' at the end of every line I print.
>|>
>|>Which make/model, I go to a HP LJ 5
>|>without any problem !!!!
>|
>|Really?  Hmm, I have this exact same problem on HP LJIII, LJ 1100 and
>|LJ 6P.  I assumed (incorrectly obviously!) that this was a laserjet
>|driver problem.
>|
>|Anyone got any clues?  Its really annoying.
>|
>|Craig
>
>
>

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From: [e-mail]                          19-Sep-99 09:00:00
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 03:35:03
Subj: FAQ: News and Mail: pointer to comp.os.msdos.mail-news FAQs

From: [e-mail]

Archive-name: msdos-mail-news/pointer
Comp-os-msdos-mail-news-archive-name: pointer
Posting-Frequency: weekly
Last-modified: 1998-Jul-12
Intro-Last-modified: 1998-Sep-27
Software-Last-modified: 1999-Jul-13

Comp.Os.Msdos.MAil-news == c.o.m.ma == comma
FAQ == Frequently Asked Questions

comma is about uucp, mail, and news for msdos or ms-windows or os2.

The comp.os.msdos.mail-news FAQ lists can be obtained via all
news.answers access methods:

quoting the news.answers FAQ:

``
            Where are *.answers archived?

  All of the *.answers newsgroups are archived in the periodic posting
archive on rtfm.mit.edu [18.181.0.24].  Postings are located in the
anonymous ftp directories /pub/usenet/alt.answers,
/pub/usenet/comp.answers, etc., and are archived by "Archive-name".
Other subdirectories of /pub/usenet contain periodic postings that may
not appear in *.answers (as well as most of the *.answers postings),
saved by Subject line rather than by Archive-name.

  If you do not have anonymous ftp access, you can access the archives
by mail server as well.  Send an E-mail message to
[e-mail] with "help" and "index" in the body on
separate lines for more information.
''

The FAQ lists for comp.os.msdos.mail-news can be found on the Internet:
  <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/comp.os.msdos.mail-news/intro>
  <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/comp.os.msdos.mail-news/software>
  <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/msdos-mail-news/intro/>
  <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/msdos-mail-news/software/>

Note that the charter of comp.os.msdos.mail-news _explicitly_ covers
mail, news, and uucp under msdos and compatibles, and used to cover
ms-windows and os2 until they got their own groups (although uucp
under ms-windows didn't, so it can stay).  the FAQs still list
information for os2 users and ms-windows users.

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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           21-Sep-99 18:48:05
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: ProNews - Would U Buy?

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 03:46:47, Kenneth Yuill <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Has Panacea Software folded?
>

I looked at the web site yesterday. Nothing new, but it was there.
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at ibm.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           21-Sep-99 18:48:07
  To: All                                               21-Sep-99 17:28:12
Subj: Re: ProNews - Would U Buy?

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:23:10, [e-mail] (Alan Boritz)
wrote:

> Although ProNews is a fairly sophisticated product, it's not that handy for
> offline use.  Vsoup and Yarn are much better and faster for offline access,
> though very limited in binary decoding capability.
>

I ALWAYS use Pronews/2 OFFLINE. I did use VSOUP and YARN, before I
discovered Pronews/2, but they got scrapped real fast since Pronews/2
does the job MUCH better (IMO).

Why do you say it is "not that handy for offline use"???
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at ibm.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: [e-mail]                                 22-Sep-99 02:31:15
  To: All                                               22-Sep-99 04:29:01
Subj: Re: Send with Get in Mr2Ice?

From: [e-mail] (williamd1)

Thanks Jerry, I'll try that option.
On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:30:23, [e-mail] (Jerry Lapham)
wrote:

>Under Setttings->Preferences I have "Automatically send new mail when
>created" and "Time Internval" = 2 minutes.  If I'm logged on to my ISP, a
>new message goes when I hit send.  If not, MR/2 Ice tries to send it every
>two minutes.

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From: [e-mail]                                   23-Sep-99 02:41:03
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: PMINews lockups

From: "Jon Etkins" <[e-mail]>

In the last few days, my machine has started to lock solid while I'm using
PMINews.  The first indication of impending doom is a series of double-beeps
when I go to the next message while reading online.  This continues
intermittently, and eventually the box locks up tighter than a fish's bum -
the only way out is the reset button or ctrl-alt-numlock-numlock.  (PMINews
2.00.1205, Warp 4, FP10)

Any ideas what might be causing this?  I've cleared out all the orphan .ART
files but haven't removed the .BAGs.  Would killing the .BAG files help or
hurt?

Thanks for any suggestions,


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Jon Etkins       | Asking for quality software from Microsoft
  (Team OS/2)      |  is like asking for the wine list at McDonalds.
  [e-mail]  |



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From: [e-mail]                     23-Sep-99 19:51:21
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 16:41:02
Subj: PMMail - where are my messages????HELP!

From: Michael Block <[e-mail]>

suddenly I have 'lost' the content of all my email messages - those
stored locally and those downloading. The headers in the folders are
visible but no message body. It appears if, in each message I ask it to
display the whole message. Re-indexing folders has just lost messages.
Something has obviously got scrambled for no apparent reason, all else
is working OK. I have cleaned ini files with no effect. Suggestions
please?

--


regards

Michael Block

Windows98......ooops, I think I stepped in it, it's all over my shoe!

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/2265/os2links.html


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From: [e-mail]                              23-Sep-99 07:28:26
  To: All                                               23-Sep-99 20:16:01
Subj: Re: ProNews - Would U Buy?

From: [e-mail] (Alan Boritz)

In article <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-dYlWXsxcWYWb@localhost>, doug.bissett"at"ibm.net
(Doug Bissett) wrote:
>On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:23:10, [e-mail] (Alan Boritz)
>wrote:
>
>> Although ProNews is a fairly sophisticated product, it's not that handy for
>> offline use.  Vsoup and Yarn are much better and faster for offline access,
>> though very limited in binary decoding capability.
>>
>
>I ALWAYS use Pronews/2 OFFLINE. I did use VSOUP and YARN, before I
>discovered Pronews/2, but they got scrapped real fast since Pronews/2
>does the job MUCH better (IMO).
>
>Why do you say it is "not that handy for offline use"???

Can't run it in a batch file without me sitting here.  That's a serious
limitation for offline use, IMHO.

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From: [e-mail]                          23-Sep-99 20:04:03
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 04:26:02
Subj: Re: ProNews - Would U Buy?

From: [e-mail] (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:28:53, [e-mail] (Alan Boritz) a ┌crit
dans un message:

> >
> >> Although ProNews is a fairly sophisticated product, it's not that handy
for
> >> offline use.  Vsoup and Yarn are much better and faster for offline
access,
> >> though very limited in binary decoding capability.
> >>
> >
> >I ALWAYS use Pronews/2 OFFLINE. I did use VSOUP and YARN, before I
> >discovered Pronews/2, but they got scrapped real fast since Pronews/2
> >does the job MUCH better (IMO).
> >
> >Why do you say it is "not that handy for offline use"???
>
> Can't run it in a batch file without me sitting here.  That's a serious
> limitation for offline use, IMHO.

Out of curiousity, what kind of news operation do you need run in a batch
file?



Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]                                 24-Sep-99 08:26:26
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 12:10:04
Subj: Re: PMMail - where are my messages????HELP!

From: [e-mail] (David LaRue)

  Michael,

  PMMail keeps the actual mail in directories below your executable.  The
first
level is .ACT files, which are your folders.  These contain the .MSG files,
which are
your messages.  Reindexing should find these files and place them back in the
corresponding indexes.  Open an OS/2 window and look for these files.  Do
you have any FOUNDxxx directories you can't account for?

  Hope you find what you are looking for,

  David LaRue

In <[e-mail]>, Michael Block <[e-mail]>
writes:
>suddenly I have 'lost' the content of all my email messages - those
>stored locally and those downloading. The headers in the folders are
>visible but no message body. It appears if, in each message I ask it to
>display the whole message. Re-indexing folders has just lost messages.
>Something has obviously got scrambled for no apparent reason, all else
>is working OK. I have cleaned ini files with no effect. Suggestions
>please?
>
>--
>
>
>regards
>
>Michael Block
>
>Windows98......ooops, I think I stepped in it, it's all over my shoe!
>
>http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/2265/os2links.html

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From: [e-mail]                                     24-Sep-99 15:53:15
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 13:22:29
Subj: Re: Profiles in 4.6

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Vermo <[e-mail]>

luistino wrote:

> I have set up three profiles in netscape, but the email identity remains
> constant. Is there a way to have a unique identity with each profile?

When you define the profile, you must assign a different directory to each
(last screen of the definition, ifI recall right). Then, you should be able
to make whatever you enter under "preferences" stick, at least it works fine
for me.

What does not work fine, is the reliability of the news reader. There seems
to be a rather serious bug, so that it sometimes will crash when I add a new
newsgroup. Netscape enters limbo (the process is shown as "terminating")
until the next reboot).



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From: [e-mail]                                   24-Sep-99 19:47:06
  To: All                                               24-Sep-99 20:01:11
Subj: Re: ProNews - Would U Buy?

From: [e-mail] (Simon Thompson)

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:11:31, doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)
wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:28:53, [e-mail] (Alan Boritz)
> wrote:
>
> > Can't run it in a batch file without me sitting here.  That's a serious
> > limitation for offline use, IMHO.
> >
>
> I haven't tried it, but in the help, it says you can start Pronews/2
> with "-on" to "Force Pronews to start and put all servers into online
> mode regardles of settings".

[snip]

> Is there something else that you need?

The ability for ProNews to disconnect, and exit, after completing
downloading all headers and articles. Then you can write a REXX
program to:

o Connect to the Internet
o Run ProNews and download all new data.
o Disconnect from the Internet.

This could run as a bacth file without you being present, e.g., at 2
am.

An alternative would be for ProNews to rpovide a REXX API that lets
you operate ProNews. API calls would let you take ProNews off and
online, query the number of tasks in the queue, etc. Your REXX program
would use this to control the connection. This is more flexible as you
could do other operations, e.g., fetch e-mail, at the same time as
ProNews is retrieving articles.

With the above, I would collect e-mail and news about 7 am, so it is
waiting when I arrive at my PC later in the morning.

So, yes, there is more. I use it as you do but only because it does
not support the above.


-----------------------------------------
Simon Thompson
Christchurch
New Zealand

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