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1902 1902 1902 1902 1902 1902 1902 1902 1902 1902 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ To: Moderator >PM> Thus, I see France building A Mar and F Bre ... > >Close. F Mar, F Bre. > >Even after seeing all the secret diplomacy, I have no idea who's who's >allies anymore...... From a strictly tactical standpoint, that is a horrible build. Germany will eat him alive - even if England makes a move since Russia is now in a position to relieve alot of that English pressure. The only reason he built that fleet is to come after me. And it won't do him any good there if takes him three years to get to me and if by that time the Louvre is being used for a German barracks ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Germany (public) >I seem to remember you saying something about it being important to be >polite to others and tact being to necessary ingredient for successful >diplomacy. But dem sounds like fightin' words. Pardon me, Otto, I hope the Empress didn't overhear my intemperate words. My best to you and yours ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Germany >I seem to remember you saying something about it being important to be >polite to others and tact being to necessary ingredient for successful >diplomacy. But dem sounds like fightin' words. Yeah, but what can it hurt? An English disorder in F'01 is as close a thing as there is in this game to a ticket on the fast train to oblivion. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Austria My condolences on your recent civil disorder. Those peasants can be so ungrateful at times ... I did not move into Greece last turn because I thought you wanted it. Is it still your intention to make Greece an Austrian protectorate? I would still like to avoid hostilities with you if at all possible ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: England Despite my inflammatory comments last week, I don't think there is anyway you can doubt my veracity. Remember when I told you France woud build a fleet in Brest? Well, it has come to pass. I am still not free to divulge my source, but I think you should heed the second half of that warning: Beware a French attack ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Germany It is time to do what all good Prussian generals must do at least once in their career - attack France. His build of F Mar guarantees you the seizure of Belgium this season, and possibly Burgundy in the fall. Here's how: A unit cannot cut attacking support when it is itself being attacked. Thus, if you write: A Mun-Bur (cut support to Bel) A Hol-Bel A Ruh s A Hol-Bel (Bel must defend and cannot support A Bur-Ruh) F Den-Nth (preempt any English assistance) F Kie-Hol ( " " " " ) It A Pie-Mar (relieve further pressure with this Italian move) You will be fishing for lobster in Biscay by the end of 1903. Sultan Abdul Hamid P.S. - I think the French build of F Bre confirms that my intel sources are solid. I hope to hear the source soon ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Russia Just because Austria screwed up by not moving in F'01, and further screwed up by building A Tri, don't let that rush you into attacking Budapest too quickly. I want to draw A Tri eastwards so we can maneuver the Italians into a position to assist us. What you should do instead is move A War-Gal and A Rum s A War-Gal. That should give you Budapest in the fall of this year. I will take care of Serbia so it shouldn't affect your conquest. In regards to my relations to the Austrians, they will be worsening. I don't see us at war this turn, but by next turn we will be. I think that it might be a good idea to declare our alliance after the 1902 builds. What do you think? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Moderator (public) >I just wanted to say thank you to you and your bretheren for your service >to the greatest cause on the planet. Geez, thanx. :-) (for a second there I thought you were referring to the Sultan's Great Horde) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Austria >I would like to avoid hostilities also. Hopefully we can keep conflicts >to a minimum. What would you suggest that I do with my fleet in the Aegean then? I can't just hold it and if goes to Greece then we would have the sort of problems I'd really rather avoid ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Germany > I realize that you can look out for yourself, but it seems to me > that Russia is growing too big for its britches. If I were you I > would do something about it too protect myself. Not necessarily > this turn as you can still use him for some extra power centers, > but at the end of this year he will have at least three more power > centers than you. You are correct in your assertion that I have nothing to fear from him right now, but my current concern is the Austrians. Russia is not in a position to cause me immediate harm, but the Austrians are. I'm still trying negotiate at least a temporary peace with the Austrians. I do not want hostilities with him until I am ready (though he may decide on a preemptive attack). You have similar concerns to me; you too are in no immediate danger from Russians. If you think you will have problems with him in the future, I suggest that you get as many supply centers, as soon as possible, from the French and English - they are vulnerable, the Russians aren't. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Russia I your army in Warsaw has the Germans worried. Please reassure him that it is moving south, not west ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Russia I just received two very different messages from you. I will try to clarify what is going on ... > PM> I your army in Warsaw has the Germans worried. Please reassure > PM> him that it is moving south, not west ... > > I'm not exactly sure why it should bother him - we discussed doing > what we did with him. He sent me a message saying that our > relationship was at an end. His people were concerned about him > dealing with Russia and thus he was ending any further discussions > with Russia. To me, it sounds like he has formed another Alliance > with France or England. If that is the case, then he wasted a build by putting an army in Munich. If he was freindly with the Anglo-French, and planning on attacking you, he should have put that build in Berlin. > I wrote back to him stating that the Army in Warsaw was heading > South. I had previously written him telling him about what we > could accomplish working together against England and then France. > I had envisioned working with Germany to conquor England, but now > I'm VERY CONCERNED about MY BORDERS with GERMANY. I almost feel > compelled to keep the Army in Warsaw, although I realize that > Germany can not reach me that quickly. I also will be moving an > Army in Sweden to defend it, should the need arise. > He's forcing me to do that. Just because you are worried about him, don't crawl into a defensive shell. He's worried because you have more units than anyone else. If you go into a shell, he will soon have more than you. I'm not sayig you should leave yourself vulnerable, but neither should you not attack at all. Your fleet can currently hold Sweden by itself; if you move it to Norway, Germany might bounce your Finnish army out of a move into Sweden. Move either F StP(nc) or A Fin to Norway; use the two units that aren't moving to support the Norwegian attack. You should still get Norway, even with a German stab, and you will test his loyalty without stabbing him or leaving yourself vulnerable. The nearest German unit to Warsaw is three moves away. If you leave the army in Warsaw, you deserve to be attacked. Instead, use that unit to gain a build (Budapest), then put that build in Warsaw. > What moves should we plan for the Italian forces? I know > A Pied-Mars and, most likely, A Ven-Tri, but what about the Apulia > Fleet? F Apu-Adriatic? Italy: F Apu-Adr, A Ven-Tri, A Pie-Mar If you are really that scared of the Germans, move A Pie-Tyl. But I would *SINCERELY* appreciate it moving to the Piedmont instead. The longer we can forestall a French move into the Mediterranean, the better off I will be. The better off I am, the better off you are (and vice-versa). > I suspect that all the players already know of our alliance, > especially with your support of my move into Rumania. Should I > declare War on Austria since I will be invading that country? I > have sources that says the Austrians are funneling money to > support my enemies within my own country. That is not acceptable! Oh, God, no! The last thing you need to do is let him know you are coming. He may suspect it, but don't confirm it. If you are going to declare war on him, do it the Japanese way: after you attack ... > guess that Budapest is NOT a sure thing for me regardless of when > I attack it. 8-) If you make two unsupported moves you could very easily get bounced in both Galicia and Budapest. That would hurt bad. Let him have Budapest if he wants it. With an Italian army in Trieste, two Russian armies and my army, we should be able to get you into Budapest in the fall. > I trust that our relationship is still strong. I don't think I > could handle another break. It is. Even if we were enemies, we would have no choice but to ally with each other. United we stand, and all that ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Germany The thought occurs that even though the Russians *ARE* growing rather large, rather quickly, they are far from being in a position to attack you. Look at the board: All his strength is in the far north or near south. There is nothing in Central Europe but A War, and one army by itself is harmless. Take advantage of the French while you can. Then use the builds you obtain over French corpses to ... how shall we say? ... "pursue other interests" ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Moderator I hope the Russians and Germans are just having case of the nerves and are not serious about the falling out they seem to be having. A consistant foreign policy is absolutely essential to success ... A Bul is a finesse move. If I can move both my fleets successfully, Greece will fall to me in F'02. The only way the Austrians could prevent that would be to bounce my move into the Ionian while trying to seize Greece with just A Ser. If he tries that, then I will seize Serbia this move; if not, I get Greece next turn. The fleet moves are also designed to get me into either Naples, Tunis, or both before the French can get deployed in the Mediterranean ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Germany Having propagated the same, there's no way I'm going to believe that France accidentally posted his moves in public. It was deliberate. Whether those statements are false (disinformation) or actually true (double-disinformation) I cannot say. I trust, Otto, that it is all a pile of Scheise ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: All (public) The Grand Sultanate's abacus developed a severe malfunction this past friday. All records and communications facilities were wiped out. The Royal Programmer is currently trying to put all the beads back together. Don't get your hopes up though - the Great Horde received its orders prior to the abacus malfunction ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Moderator >Quoting ref# 5FJQ0054 From JIM LEMKE >F Den s Kie-Bal:R-Kie, Hel, Ska >F Kie-Bal >A Hol holds:R-Ruh, Kie >A Ruh-Kie >A Mun-Ber I said it before, and I will say it again, consistency is the key to this game. Germany's forces are overwhelmingly commited against the French. To try and redirect them now, will be fatal in the long run. France can move north, or France can move south, but if France wishes to expand past central Europe it must also go through Ger- many. Germany must not realize that, because if he had he wouldn't have issued those orders. These aren't sour grapes - I'm in no danger, and it might even be beneficial to me if the Franco-Germans have a falling out - it's just an observation based on experience ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Russia >Quoting ref# 5FJQ0054 From JIM LEMKE >F Den s Kie-Bal:R-Kie, Hel, Ska >F Kie-Bal >A Hol holds:R-Ruh, Kie >A Ruh-Kie >A Mun-Ber I told you we couldn't trust those kraut bastards. Well, I will do what I can in the south, but seeing as airplanes won't be invented until next year you're on your own in the north. Diplomatically, I will do what I can to try and reverse this German treachery. You, in turn, must not in anyway pretend to be friendly with me. Everyone *MUST* believe that we are having a falling out. In addition, try and make amends with the Austrians. Discuss things with him such as what you two will do against me (untrue) and against the Germans (true). We have to redirect him long enough to do two things: unbalance the Germans and give us time to grab his supply centers before the Germans redirect their momentum. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ S'02 Results S'02 Results S'02 Results S'02 Results S'02 Results ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Austria: A Ser-Gre, A Tri-hold, A Vie-hold, F Alb s A Gre (fails) England: civil disorder France: F Bre-Pic, F Por-Mid, F Mar-GoL, A Bur-Mar, A Bel-hold Germany: F Den s F Kie-Bal, F Kie-Bal, A Hol-hold, A Ruh-Kie, A Mun-Ber Italy: A Pie-Tus, F Apu-Ion (fails), A Ven-Apu (fails) Russia: A Fin-Nwy, F Swe s A Fin-Nwy, F StP(nc) s A Fin-Nwy, A War-Gal, A Rum s A War-Gal, F Sev-hold Turkey: A Bul-Ser, A Con-Bul, F Aeg-Ion (fails), F Smy-Aeg (fails) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ To: Austria > PM> What would you suggest that I do with my fleet in the Aegean > PM> then? I can't just hold it and if goes to Greece then we would > PM> have the sort of problems I'd really rather avoid ... > > I apologize for the long response time, it was a busy weekend. I > will have to give the Aegian fleet problem some thought. I will > let you know if I come up with something. Aww, shit. You saw how I tried to get into the Mediterranean, didn't you? If I had succeeded in that, I wouldn't have been bumped into Serbia. I hope this doesn't mean we're at war. Maybe we can work out a trade where I get Greece and you get Serbia back? You'll need Serbia if you want to defend against the Russians (I suspect he will be moving his armies north, through your fair land, in order to get at the Germans). Sultan Abdul Hamid P.S. - Or maybe he might even try to stab me with F Sev? Let me know if you hear anything hostile from Russia and I will try and get my fleet back into the Black Sea area ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: England Another civil disorder??? Sounds like its time to take a page out of Oliver Cromwell's book and use the troops to put down your in- ternal rebellions. Do it quickly too. Here's why: The French move of F Por-Mid, along with the previous build of F Bre (now in Picardy) confirms my assertion that France is out to get you. I suggest you ally with Russia before it's too late ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Germany It looks as if hostilities are imminent between you and Russia. With him being attacked by three countries (France and Austria, in addition to yourself), he might resort to using F Sev to pick up a desperately needed build at my expense. I hate to see two friends have a falling out, but for now this combination of cir- cumstances forces me to take a neutral stance vis-a-vis Russo- German relations. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Moderator I wonder if France realizes he doesn't have posession of Spain ... If I get two builds, I might decide to get in on the forthcoming Russian feeding frenzy ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TO: Russia Three thoughts: 1) Don't worry about your northern situation - a fleet on St. Petersburg's north coast can't be attacked by fleets in the Baltic region. 2) I think you need to discuss an alliance with England. 3) Move Italian A Tus-Pie, A Ven-Tyl (a good anti-German move) and F Apu-Ven. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Austria > PM> You saw how I tried to get into the Mediterranean, didn't you? > PM> If I had succeeded in that, I wouldn't have been bumped into > PM> Serbia. I hope this doesn't mean we're at war. Maybe we can > PM> work out a trade where I get Greece and you get Serbia back? > > I definitely want serbia back!!! At the same time I don't want > a war, A trade would be acceptable. I've been thinking about > concentrating more in Italy now. Okay, if we are to trade Serbia for Greece, I think it would be best if we figure out a way to actually swap the location of the two armies in question. I wouldn't suggest that you move out of Greece, letting me have it this turn, then next turn I would do the same for you in Serbia. You would be an idiot to believe that because by then I would already have a build for Serbia. We need to make the move this turn, before the builds, but the problem is that two units aren't allowed to switch positions in one turn. (thinking) The only way to make this work is if you forgo an Italian campaign for at least one more turn. You must move A Gre somewhere; the only place it can go is Albania. That means F Alb must go somewhere too; maybe Trieste? That would allow me to move A Ser-Gre, which would in turn allow you to move A Tri-Ser. You would then be in a position to assist in the defense of Budapest against the Russian aggressor. Sultan Abdul Hamid P.S. - In regards to your involvement in Italy: Lest you think I am trying to snooker you, keep in mind that I am the one who has been pushing most heavily for your involvement there (there being no love lost between France and Turkey). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Russia >═>treachery. You, in turn, must not in anyway pretend to be friendly >═>with me. Everyone *MUST* believe that we are having a falling out. > > Do what you must. Whatever you say in public, I will assume it > is for the benefit of the listeners. It will be subtle and it will all be in private. Nobody would believe anything I posted in public anyway. > Do you think we really need Austria? I think I'd maybe like to take > a chance and not include Austria UNLESS we really get into a pinch. No, *WE* don't need Austria - *YOU* need Austria. *I* need Austria. Because we will soon be at war. At least that's what we want the Austrians (or anyone else who cares to ask) to believe. If they think we are at odds, they will be more likely to do things that are favor- able for us. > I hadn't realized that you got Serbia. That HELPS a lot! Certainly doesn't hurt. ;-) > A Ser - Tri I don't think so. This game is alot like chess: Never make an isolated move. Any army so far ahead of its own supply lines would be doomed. > F Sev - Rum (Need to get something in Rumania for protection.) Protection from who? While I wouldn't consider a fleet in Rumania to be an act of war, I would be disappointed in the lack of trust such a move would imply. I would be forced, then, to keep an army in Bulgaria. That's not something I want to do; I could put it to better use elsewhere. Tell you what, why don't we establish another buffer like we have in the Black Sea? If you leave Rumania open, I will leave Bulgaria open. > Well, it might not work out, but it sure looks like something we > could think about. I just hate backstabbing Austria IF I don't > have to. Let me know what you think. It's not a stab unless you do it to a friend. It would be a stab if I moved A Bul-Rum after we agreed to leave those two countries open; it wouldn't be a stab for you to move A Rum-Bud. A stab is a betrayal; what you would be doing would be an act of war. There's a difference. Von Clausewitz had something to say about the subject: "War should never be thought of as something autonomous, but always as an instrument of policy." > IF I could get TWO builds this Fall, I think I'd have enough to > fight the Germans and help you come up North too. Right now, TWO > builds look very nice. Any suggestions on what I should do up > North. I guess, if Germany wants Sweden, he's going to get it. I noticed that too, but not until after I left you my previous message. Considering the knife the Germans are twisting in your back, if I were you I would be overjoyed at getting just one build ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Germany > I understand your position toward the soon-to-be Russo-German war, > and I accept it. If I can wake England up I won't need help anyway. My original thoughts were directed towards St. Petersburg, so I thought the Russians were invulnerable. St. Pete is indeed in no danger this turn. What I noticed later was that Sweden was in trouble. However, it is by no means a guarantee you will get it. It will either require a Russian blunder, or you receiving English assistance. > If I can't I'll just have to think of something creative. This > season is incredibly important for me, but I don't have total con- > trol of my destiny. Well, don't hold me to it, but I predict that in 90 years Germany will be one of the three largest industrial countries in the world ... > That bothers me, it's a sign of bad playing. I don't know. I think it's more a sign of not playing (on England's part). > Oh well I have a feeling this will all turn out for the good. Inshallah, Otto, inshallah(*) ... Sultan Abdul Hamid (*) - Arabic for "It is God's will." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Russia If I were Germany, I would attack with A Kie-Swe, F Bal c A Kie-Swe, F Den s A Kie-Swe. Berlin would either move to Prussia or Silesia. Germany could attack in several other combinations, but in no case will it be able to muster more than two attacking units. You have two units (F Swe plus A Nwy) with which to defend. That means you would keep Sweden. The wildcard is England. If England throws its support behind Germany you will lose Sweden. That is why I suggested you work on obtaining some sort of treaty with England. Sultan Abdul Hamid P.S. - All this is purely speculation. I've received no info on any German or English movements. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Austria >Hmmmmmmmm. . . okay, that is acceptable. I'll move my fleet and move the >army to Alb. I take it then that you would not object to moving the Italians westward? Perhaps our both ordering A Ven-Pie and F Apu-Nap? That would seal the deal in my mind ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Germany Just because you are at war with Russia does not preclude you from taking indirect anti-French moves. Perhaps they would even provide the basis for a stronger relationship between our countries beyond our current level of dialogue. I suggest the merely that we both order (Italy) F Apu-Nap, with the other two units holding. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Russia Just because you are at war with Germany does not preclude you from taking indirect anti-French moves. The longer we can put the French off, the longer I will have to get additional supply centers. The more supply centers I have, the better I will be able to assist you in your other endeavours. I suggest the merely that we both order (Italy) F Apu-Nap, with the other two units holding. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: England Just because you have had civil disorder two out of the last three moves, does not mean you are out of the game. The Germans appeared ready to attck the French and now appear to be at war with the Russians. My stance vis-a-vis Russo-German relations are neutral, so I will not advise on tactics. I do have concerns about the French though, as should you (as I've pointed out before). If you do nothing else this turn, please submit an Italian order moving F Apu-Nap. Perhaps they would even provide the basis for a stronger relationship between our countries beyond our current level of dialogue. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Germany > I will still be using my Italian moves to attack the French. The > fact that I am at war with Russia is thev reason I have to keep up > the attack. I must confess that I can't remember exactly where > Italy's units are, but I'm sure the moves I make will be to your > liking. A Ven, A Tus and F Apu ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Russia > I've received your messages and will be accessing them in the > next day. I'm at a loss as to what to do. No one, other than > you, are corresponding with me. I've written the English about > a possible treaty, but haven't heard. German, as I expected, > hasn't had the courtesy to even reply to any of my three previous > posts. I fear I'm not long for this world. 8-) Now, now. Let's not engage in any of that typically Russian melo- dramatic fatalism. Yes, it does appear the Germans are about to attack you, but the Austrians and English are no threat. Even if those three countries, as well as my own, were to turn on you, you coud still hold out for several years. Besides, Germany made a mistake in redirecting its effort - it was poised to literally slaughter the French and now is faced with struggling to get even one measly center off of you. Don't worry, together we are strong. > Not really so much protection from you, it's just I like to have > my armies and fleets at least close to the frontlines - just incase > they are needed. Ideally, I'd love to be able to get it out into > the Mediterranean so how. I realize that that will not be possible > so Rumania is the best I can do. The fleet will do you absolutely no good in Rumania. It cannot support a defense in Galicia, Budapest, or any other internal territory. It's use in Rumania would be to either guard against or attack Turkey. > I'll get back to you regarding the other items. I really would > like to move the Italian Army from Venice to Trieste - IF possible. > That would really put a crimp in Austria's ability to hinder us. > We could always move it back if (and when) France comes a calling. Why even bother? A Tri will be bounced out of Budapest which will in turn bounce A Ven out of Trieste. Even if such a move succeeded, it would be very difficult to move it back. Right now, an army in Venice is much more useful: It can attack the Piedmont with assistance from A Tus and it can support a defense of Rome (both worthy anti-French objectives). > Yes, I see the logic in moving the Italian Fleet back to Naples. > Consider it done as far as I'm concerned. Thank you. My best to the Czarina ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Austria I've received information that the Russians maybe doing something underhanded with Rumania, against one of my armies. Depending on what combination of orders the Czar issues, it might destroy our plans no matter what orders we issue. I am committed to making the Serbia-Greece swap, but I do not want to lose Bulgaria in the process. Please advise ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Moderator "A Bul-Gre, A Ser s A Bul-Gre, F Aeg s A Bul-Gre" I think the Austrians trust me, so this would qualify as a stab, except I've never had any plans to ally with the Austrians in the first place. I've just been trying to string him along until by the time he realized what was up, it would be too late to resist. Depending on what the Russians do, I may be able claim (again) that my seizure of one of his territories was forced on me by the unfortunate actions of another country. If he doesn't fall for it a second time, I will dispense with all pretenses and declare war. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Moderator AH> TY> Perhaps our both ordering A Ven-Pie and F Apu-Nap? That would AH> TY> seal the deal in my mind ... AH> AH> Sounds good to me. This will be a blessing if he really follows through ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Austria >That is a tough one. Let me check the map real fast and I'll think about >it . . . From what I can see if you move your army from serbia down to >greece and then leave your original army in bulgaria he won't be able to >attack because he only has the one army in romania. I only took a glance >at the map through paintbrush so I might be missing something. It's the fleet I'm worried about ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: England Don't let some measly little thing like Windsor Castle burning down and losing all your precious art treasures keep you from your military duties ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Austria Here's one for you - I almost CD'ed. I tought I'd uploaded my pre- limanary moves on Thursday, but I hadn't. (sweat!) Did it like 5 o'clock this afternoon. Still not to late to do something to the Russians though ... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ F'02 Results F'02 Results F'02 Results F'02 Results F'02 Results ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Austria: A Gre-Alb (fails, disbanded), F Alb-Tri (fails), A Tri-Bud (fails), A Vie s A Tri-Bud, England: civil disorder France: F Pic-Eng, F Mid-WMed, F GoL-Tyr, A Mar-Spa, A Bel-hold Germany: F Den-Swe (fails), F Bal c A Kie-Lvn, A Kie-Lvn, A Hol-Kie, A Ber-Sil Italy: A Tus s A Ven-Pie, F Apu-Ion, A Ven-Pie Russia: A Nwy s F Swe, F Swe-hold, F StP(nc)-hold, A Rum-Bud (fails), A Gal s A Rum-Bud, F Sev-hold Turkey: A Bul-Gre, A Ser s A Bul-Gre, F Aeg s A Bul-Gre, F Smy-EMed Press Release: -------------- Otto Von Bismarck officially declared Warsaw to be part of Germany and annouced that German troops would return Warsaw to it's rightful owners within the year. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ To: Austria You broke our deal for you to retake Serbia, so I was forced to hold on to it. I no longer wish to give it up, but if you say so I will order (Italian) A Pie to hold so that you may still get a build for Venice. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Russia Damn, the Germans put you up against the wall didn't they? If you build in Moscow, the Germans will take Warsaw in S'03; if you build in Warsaw, they could slip in your backdoor and take Moscow instead. You could probably get either one back in the Fall, but it would by no means be guaranteed. Please advise on what you plan to do; I will be building a fleet so that I can maintain a one fleet advantage over the French. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Everyone but the Frogs Who's the Great Satan that ordered F Apu-Ion? How does French butthole taste? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Russia Even though builds haven't been submitted, I would like to get to work on Italian strategy for the Spring of '03. These moves really don't require knowledge of the upcoming builds, but could still be modified should some untoward disaster occur. Move F Ion-Nap, A Pie-Tyl and A Tus-Rom ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Germany Even though builds haven't been submitted, I would like to get to work on Italian strategy for the Spring of '03. These moves really don't require knowledge of the upcoming builds, but could still be modified should some untoward disaster occur. Move F Ion-Nap, A Pie-Tus and A Tus-Rom Sultan Abdul Hamid P.S. - Damn clever move. I'm impressed ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Moderator If Russia builds in Moscow, and I decided to declare war on him, Sevastopol would be mine, and possibly even Rumania too. The question I face is "Am I stronger with him, and without his centers, or am I stronger with his centers and without him?" I can't afford a war with France, Austria *AND* Russia at the same time. On the other hand, I don't want to see the other jackals all getting their share of the carcass while I starve to death. Decisions, decisions. I will be building an army and a fleet. I just haven't decided which will be in Smyrna and which will be in Constantinople. If the army is built in Smyrna it means a 90% chance that I will be attacking Russia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Austria > I did not break the deal. I moved out of greece and my ship left > too. Our deal called for you to move A Tri-Ser. You didn't. When I found this out (through well-placed sources), I was forced to take protective action. > This means war!!! Now, now, don't go off half-cocked. Just because you misunderstood what you were supposed to do is no reason for you to condemn your country to the super-power scrapheap. Hopping in bed with the French will do you no good because he must go through you to get to me. The Russians are, after attacking your *CAPITOL* (something Turkey *DID NOT* do), obviously at war with you also. I am your only hope and, as I said, I am still willing, out of the goodness of my heart, to let you have Venice. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Russia > Sure do! Stupid, stupid, stupid krauts!!!! Can't the idiot see > that all he's doing is helping the French win - especially if he > ordered the Italian move of the fleet to Ionion. He's just commit- > ting suicide, but the idiot doesn't know it. You got that straight. I may not win this game, but I will not be eliminated either. Neither Germany nor Austria can say the same thing. Both appear to be allying with France, but for France to get to us he must first pass through their countries. > Not only that, HE BROKE the treaty we had NOT to attack each other's > position till the SPRING of 1903. I took a chance on England NOT > submitting orders and had Norway support Sweden - just incase of an > attack. I'm glad I did. Why? Yes, you needed to support Sweden because Germany could have taken it with support, but as it turns out you didn't need to. Germany realized it couldn't take Sweden, so it followed the path of least resistance. > Can you help me take Budapest in the Spring and keep it in the Fall? > That would, at least make up some if I did lose a supply center ... > I know I need to get my Rumania army into Budapest and the may get > Vienna eventually. That would allow me to go after the Germans Wait for the builds and see what Germany does. If I were you I would worry about your home supply centers first. I would be more willing, however, to assist you into Budapest in F'03. Either way, I'm open. > I'm also toying with the idea of A Galicia - Bohemia. That would > give Germany something to think about. I'm even tempted to do a > A Galicia-Silesia, thus be in a position to go to Munich or Berlin. > I realize that I would lose Warsaw, but I may end up losing it any- > way. You're not Japanese, don't go off on any Banzai attacks - they don't work in this game. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Russia > Yeechs! I can't believe Germany let France sucker him into > what he's doing! Looking at the map, France can F Wes c A Spa-Tunis. He's going to convoy somewhere for sure. Let him have Tunis though, if thatt's where he decides to attack - a unit in Tunis is less of a threat to us than a unit in Italy. > France will gain ANOTHER supply center and have an army in position for > Greece. France's Fleet in Tyrhenian Sea is posed for Rome or Naples - > ANOTHER supply center. Then on the North coast, France could Fleet > English Channel - London and Army Belguim - Holland and gain TWO MORE > supply centers. It's possibly for France to gain four supply centers, > although I'm sure he wouldn't do everything I said (too early) but he > could -- while we sit fighting each other. NO ONE is putting any > pressure on France at ALL! No country can build more units in one turn than it has home supply centers (since a unit must be built at home). The build, however, could be carried over to the next year and buiilt then. You are cor- rect though - France is in the driver's seat. > One question, my Fleet in St. Petersburg is on the North Coast. > How can I get him into the action on the South - if I want to? I may > simply move the Fleet from St. Petersburg to Norway and the Army in > Norway to Finland. Too many possibilities. The only way to move your fleet from the north coast to the south is to either go *ALL* the way around Scandinavia and back up through the Baltic or disassemble it and load it on trains. > I just see another option for me. Build Army in Moscos and then > do the following: > > A Galicia - Warsaw > A Moscos s A Galicia - Warsaw > A Rumania - Ukraine > F Sevastopol - Rumania (incase Austria moves in Budapest again) > F Sweden Holds > A Norway s F Sweden > F St Petersburg nc - St. Petersburg sc (???) Generally good moves, the only exception is that I would instead move A Rum-Gal. That way you can either support Warsaw with it, or threaten Austria. > The only wild card is England, but he appears not to be playing > anymore. It'd be a terrible time for him to start! 8-) This way, I'd > hold onto what I have and keep Germany from growing - maybe even > shrinking with an Italian A Tyrolia - Munich ---if it was possible. Exactly the reason for moving A Pie-Tyl. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: England Die Haggis Eaters! WW WW AAAA RRRRRRR !!! WW WW AA AA RR RR !!! WW WWWW WW AA AA RR RR !!! WW WW WW WW AAAAAAAAAA RRRRRRRRR !!! WWWW WWWW AA AA RR RR WW WW AA AA RR RR !!! With the Duchesses of York and Windsor (Fergie & Di) constantly coming down here and spending whole nights pleasuring the Sultan's body it has become nearly impossible for him to conduct state business. Since you've steadfastly refused to return them to their important former roles as, respectively, Royal Tramp and Official Shopaholic, and relieve the Sultan of the stress of dealing with them, the Grand Sultanate is forced to declare war on your Satanic, war-mongering state. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Russia > I can keep him out of Warsaw simply by using two armies. The only > drawback to that is that it ties up my army in Galicia. Then, > even with support from you, I can't take Budapest. If it plays > out, I won't get any builds and Germany would get any builds (again) > next year. I can't believe Germany is THAT stupid. Not necessarily. Why do you think he moved A Hol-Kie? I'll bet you it's so he can move it to Prussia in the spring (which would only take one move with another convoy), then make a second attempt at Warsaw in F'03. That gives him a 3:2 advantage in an attack on Warsaw (unless you use F Rum to assist in the defense. Then again, like I said, he could always take the path of least resistance and sneak into Moscow. Your job is to figure out what he will do. Guess right and the two of you will be locked in a stalemate; guess wrong and the next Czar will be a Hapsburg and not a Romanov. > I forgot about that. Therefore, France will simply NOT attack > Holland till 1904, when he can use that build. In the meantime, > he'll sweet talk the Germans until he's ready to, pardon the > expression, screw them and HE WILL! I can see the handwriting on > the wall ... I bet France is just loving Germany and I in this > stalemate, while it gobbles up all the territories. Me too, and I think Germany realizes that it made a mistake (espec- ially in light of the civil disorder in England). Because he betrayed you, he made a gift of England to France. > Ideally, yes, but I won't be moving my Galicia Army into Warsaw > because Germany will use his two armies to do the same thing. > Therefore, the a A Rum-Gal will fail because A Gal-War will fail. > IF I get my Army from Rumania into the Ukraine, then I will be able > to move it into Warsaw eventually. The only drawback to all of this > is that I can't gain a supply center, but neither can Germany. I > wonder if I could take a chance on moving my army from Norway to > Finland and the St. Petersburg Fleet to Norway. Nope, got to sup- > port my Fleet in Sweden. Okay, I see your point now. I never said I had a lock on military genius. :-) But then what you would need to use all three armies to either bounce, regain or defend Warsaw in F'03. My next message will contain a best case strategy for our combined forces. Read it before replying to this message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Germany > > P.S. - Damn clever move. I'm impressed ... > > Thanks, but I'm still in a very precarious position without England > in the game. For the next year I'm going to have to convince France > that it will be easier to go to England or Italy than roll through > my country. Should be fun. The betrayal of Russia, on the other hand, was an incredibly bad move. I'll tell you what I told Russia: One, that you two will be locked in a stalemate; two, that you made a gift of England to France. It doesn't really matter to me what you two do to each other, as long as your conflict doesn't spill over my borders, but the two of you have essentially granted France a victory since every other player faces two or three others. The only worse thing you could do would be to change you mind again, so all I could advise you to do would be to go balls to the wall and hope France screws up. Sultan Abdul Hamid P.S. - Just out of curiousity, what was it that France said that con- vinced you to give up in the West and turn east? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Russia If you want to defend Moscow and Warsaw, and seize Budapest, here's my best suggestion of how to do it: First, build an army in Warsaw. Russia S'03 Turkey S'03 ------------------- ---------------------- A War-Mos (ret Ukr) A Ser s (Ru) A Rum-Bud A Rum-Bud A Gal s A Rum-Bud These orders would bounce a solo attack on Moscow and, in turn, bounce a solo attack on Warsaw. What I would require in return would be: Russia F'03 ---------------------- A Gal-Vie A Bud s (tr) A Ser-Tri So that A Vie's support to A Tri would be cut, thus allowing me to take Trieste. I could cut the support from F Alb on my own. Yeah, now that I look at this, I like it. If you agree to these moves it will really crystalize my build strategy for me (I still haven't submitted). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Moderator If Russia agrees to my proposed moves, any stab I would make wouldn't come until S'04. That is because if I help him, I will be lucky to get one build in W'03. With so few builds, I want to make sure Austria is down (if not out), before I make a move, because I can't afford to fight both Austria and Russia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Russia > Build an Army in Moscow now. Then I this Spring I will do this: > F Swe holds > * F St. Pete nc - Norway > * A Nor - St. Pete > A Gal - Sil (stops him using it for support) > A Mos-War (keep the army from Livonia out of Warsaw) > A Rum-Ukr > F Sev Rum Like I said, you can't swap units. As to your other moves, my Chief of Horde Staff asked, "What if the Germans move A Lvn-Mos?" Indeed, I told him, I had informed the Czar of the consequences both to his throne and the virtue of his daughter. You would have your finest troops guarding a bunch of polacks, while the Russian capitol was being plundered and burned. If you're heart is set on moving north and engaging in brute battle and trench warfare, instead of my more subtle suggestions, then you should do it from Galicia, with your army in Rumania moving to Ukraine. > This gets me four armies to defend Warsaw in the Fall if he tries > to move to Warsaw from Livonia. IF he tried for Warsaw from > Silesia, I'm in Silesai and in position to take Munich or kick him > out of Warsaw in the Fall. Meanwhile, you will be growing and > France will be growing, but I would be losing a home territory. My eastern neighbors, the Indian unbelievers, have a concept known as the 'mantra.' Yours should be "Moscow, Moscow, Moscow, Moscow ..." > As much as I wish to have you help me take Budapest this Spring, > I think I'd end up losing Warsaw in the Fall. I need to keep my > home supply centers, which means I need the three armies to defend > Warsaw in the Fall. I, like you, assume that Germany will convoy > the Army from Kiel to Prussia in the Spring. This means that he > has three armies posed to take Warsaw. I also need three armies > posed to defend Warsaw, thus a stalemate. I merely suggested that the second convoy was a possibility. That does not mean it is a surety. Allah only knows what amazing thing the Germans will try next. Maybe an attack on Austria ... > I just don't know. I do know that I can't let Germany gain a supply > center at my expense. If I have any hope, I need to keep Germany > where he's at. I trust that you understand, I sure don't! Of course, no ruler wants to be ridiculed by succeeding generations for losing a war. Allah forbid, it might even cause your workers to revolt! Remember, Austria is the one country in which we have the actual physical ability to help one another. The more militarily astute your moves are, the more likely I will be to do what I can to have the Horde assist you; on the other hand, don't expect me to come charging to your aid if you screw up. My factories are already tooled up for production; please reply ASAP - I can always retool ... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ W'02 Builds W'02 Builds W'02 Builds W'02 Builds W'02 Builds ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Austria -1 (3): (unit eliminated due to combat) England Even (3): --- France +1 (6): F Mar Germany Even (5): --- Italy Even (3): --- Russia +1 (7): A Mos Turkey +2 (6): F Smy, A Con ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++