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To: Austria
What with all this shuffling going on I'm having a hard time
trying to figure out who is playing what country and what
country they played in the practice game. If you could refresh
my memory it would be much appreciated.
Until the time that my memory is refeshed, suffice it to say
that I have not made a decision which countries I will ally
with and which I will attack. It is obvious that sometime in
1902 I will be at war with either you, Italy or Russia. I
hope it will not be you.
Let me know if you have any ideas on the Balkans.
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To: Russia
What with all this shuffling going on I'm having a hard time
trying to figure out who is playing what country and what
country they played in the practice game. I do remember which
country you played and how you conducted your diplomacy with
honor and sound tactics (despite being a new player). It is,
therefore a good thing that we are neighbors.
Even though I am not Italy, and you are not Turkey, as we
thought we would be in the real game, my proposal for an
alliance still stands. As a matter of fact, with me as Turkey
and you as Russia, we are in an even stronger position with
which to sweep across the board. I will jab with on the left,
and you throw the right hook. The combination will knock the
other countries out.
Let me know if this is what you want to do and we will work
out the tactical details (as well as any lies we have to tell
our neighbors).
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To: Moderator
My statements in regard to my strategy as an Italian player still
hold even though I am now playing the Turks. If you wish to use
them in your analysis, merely substitute Turkey for Italy, Russia
for Turkey and Italy for France/Germany (should we find an Italian
player).
I really think Vic and I could work well together.
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To: Austria
>I was thinking of attacking Italy. Noone is playing so it should be an
>easy target. I really haven't had time to make an Austrian sta\rategy
>yet, though.
You, me and everyone else. But success against Italy depends on who is
writing Italy's orders. Either Germany or France would be *VERY*
interested in seeing the Roman Legions march into the Alps with the idea
of proceeding down the Danube into your capitol. If you see that sort of
move you know France and Germany are your enemy. Go for it though - I see
no reason you shouldn't be able to take Trieste ...
Have you heard from the Russians?
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To: Russia
Thank you for the eggs, they have an honored place among the
crown jewels.
> I've received some communiques from the English monarch, Queen
> Victoria. She says she's heard that Germany has an eye on
> Warsaw. Hummm, Germany made no mention of that to me. Could
> the Queen be trying to start something between peaceful
> neighbors?
For that to actually be true, Germany would have to be a fool
or England a liar. There's no way, not this year. Germany will,
as Germany always does, take Holland & Denmark and attempt to
take either Belgium or Sweden. I suggest you inform Germany of
England's duplicity - there is no doubt that England is feeding
the same line of bullshit to Germany as well ...
> England has been trying to instigate trouble between Germany
> and Russia. I don't find that amusing and it tells me that I
> must be on guard of the English. In fact, some are even
> trying to hinder any friendship between us.
Just as I figured. You could always give England a does of
the same medicine by instigating a similar situation with the
French ...
> PM> As a matter of fact, with me as Turkey and you as Russia,
> PM> we are in an even stronger position with which to sweep
> PM> across the board.
>
> Yes, I've been thinking that too. I'm talking with Germany
> regarding a peace treaty for a few years, until either of us
> notifies the other he wishes to adandon the treaty. Such a
> treaty would allow me to take Rumania and put a lot of presure
> on Austria. I could also take Sweden and keep England in
> check in Norway.
>
> I tell you this in the strictest secrecy. While I tell
> others that I may be in communication with other nations,
> you are the only one I have gone into such details with.
> If you choose to stab me in the back, I probably will be
> in extreme trouble. I definitely welcome an aliance between
> us. With such an aliance, the world may be ours.
It will be held in strictest secrecy. Anyone in my regime who
has access to such information has had their tongues cut out
as a precautionary measure.
> PM> Let me know if this is what you want to do and we will
> PM> work out the tactical details (as well as any lies we
> PM> have to tell our neighbors).
>
> I'd prefer to keep the lying to a very minor part. Keep
> people guessing is one thing, I just don't like lying.
It is not immoral to lie to one's enemies. Indeed, it is a
military necessity that we lie to and decieve our enemies.
I do not want my hordes meeting Allah before I want them to.
My strategy is thus:
Russia
-------------
F StP(sc)-Bot (to take sweden)
A Mos-Lvn/StP (Lvn if Germany can't betrusted, StP otherwise)
A War-Gal (either to take Bud or to assist F Sev-Rum)
F Sev-Rum (assist A Gal-Bud in F'01 if successful)
Turkey
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F Ank-Con (prepare to move into Aeg)
A Con-Bul (support F Sev-Rum in F'01 if necessary)
A Smy-hold (nowhere else to go)
The Black Sea must remain neutral territory if we are to
be allies. A Russian fleet in the Black Sea would be
considered an act of war (as, I am sure, would the presence
of a Turkish fleet).
We should also submit identical move orders for a neutral
Italy if we are to preoccupy Austria. Austria has told me he
wants to take Italy. If he attempts that, we can mess him up
bad with the right Italian moves.
Italy
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A Rom-Ven (assist A Pie-Tyl in F'01)
A Ven-Pie (move to Tyl in F'01)
F Nap-Ipu (support defense of Ven)
Looks like I am about out of room. Hope to hear from you soon.
My best to the Czarina and your lovely daughter Anastasia ...
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To: Germany
> I can understand you sense of frustration at having been
> changed to Turkey on such short notice. Since I kept my country
> the switches caused only minor problems for me, I didn't consider
> the people who actually got moved. But on the bright side, I
> would consider Turkey a stronger country than Italy.
That's the traditional view, but while I was hoping to get England
or France, Italy presents one with intriguing possibilities on the
continent. Turkey is pretty much restricted in what it can do until
it can break its fleets loose.
> Anyway, you stated that you did not have a plan. I would
> suggest a southern strategy. Italy is going to be erratically
> controlled and the Austrian leader hasn't sent me any diplomacy
> longer than two sentences anyway. That is not good diplomacy.
I've tried contacting Austria, but withresults similar to yours. It
is good that we are talking since Austria is a neighbor to the both
of us. I presume that you will be annexing your fellow Teutons in
the Low Countries, so the Austrian buffer should not present a
source of conflict between us.
Do you have any Italian moves you would like to coordinate?
> As for Russia he has proven he is competent especially considering
> it is his first time playing. He also seems to be very honorable,
> I think if you made a treaty with him he would keep it, but on the
> other hand if you broke a treaty with him he wouldn't trust you
I agree with your analysis of Victor as a player. I was surprised
that he grasped the game so quickly. I appreciate his honor as an
ally, because it is the same way I like to play the game. I hope
our three countries can be friends, but if we cannot be friends, I
would be glad to be your honorable enemy - an honorable enemy is
morally superior to a dishonorable friend.
> for a long time. And I think he and England will be clashing soon,
> so if you wait Russia should be drawn out of position at least a
> little bit. I haven't decided who's side I will be on for the war.
> But, England is already spreading rumors about me.
I've heard similar rumors. England really has only two choices - war
with you in the Low Countries, or war with Russia in Scandinavia.
War with France is out of the English question because of England's
lack of land power. If I hear anything further about England's
intentions, I will pass it on to you.
Sultan Abdul Hamid
(do not trust the French)
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To: Germany
>I will be sending in aggressively anti-French orders for Italy as these
>can't be traced, at least not very easily. England has told me that he
>is doing the same, if you write anti-French orders also that would give
>us at least a 50% chance of getting ours version in. It would seem
>that Russia would write anti-Austrian or German orders and I'm not sure
>what Austria would do. I look forward to your reply.
I was considering A Ven-Pie ... The others I am thinking about ...
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To: Russia
>The moves you have suggested are close to what I have been considering. I
>fear the Austria could hinder my Rumania campaign, but it would be at a
>price to him too. I surely hope that I will be able to enter into a
>treaty with Germany for a number of years. This would greatly relieve
>some of my concerns.
>
>PM> Italy
>PM> -------------
>PM> A Rom-Ven (assist A Pie-Tyl in F'01)
>PM> A Ven-Pie (move to Tyl in F'01)
>PM> F Nap-Ipu (support defense of Ven)
>
>What is the last move for Italy? In other words, what's "IPU?"
>Shouldn't, to be realistic, Italy try for Tunis? I realize that we want
>Italy to help us, but.... 8-)
Pardon me, I meant "Apu" as in Apulia ...
>Have you heard anything from the French? I haven't and I suspect that I
>had better contact them and establish some sort of dialog.
I've heard from the player and what I've heard has not been friendly in
the least. I have not heard from the country and, quite frankly, do not
care if I do. My policy towards France, for now, is neutrality ...
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To: Moderator
I am serious about a game long alliance with Russia. I have not
heard from Austria, but I will continue to feign friendship with
Austria until it is no longer possible to do so. I do not consider
that dishonorable; I had a choice between making war with Russia
or Austria and I chose Austria. A state of war exists between
Austria and Turkey, I just haven't declared it yet. When I attack
Austria it won't be a stab, it will merely be a commencement of
hostilities. In the mean time I will use Italy to try and keep
Austria preoccupied.
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To: Austria (public)
I've heard little from the Dual Monarchies in the last few days. I hope
all is well with the King's health ...
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To: England (public)
I am equally concerned for the health of the venerable Queen. I hope all
is well. My diplomats have heard little in the last few days ...
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To: Russia
Re: War
Not between our nations, never between our nations, but I fear it is
upon the continent. I've heard from Germany and he's told me that his
intentions toward you are neutral if not friendly. He too is sus-
picious of England. We must hold strong together ...
Yours in Combat,
Sultan Abdul Hamid
(p.s. - still nothing from Austria ...)
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To: Austria
Hello? ... (click, click) ... Ahmed, fix the telephone! ... Yes,
master ... (fix, fix) ... Hello? Seems to be a bad connection here -
I'm not getting through to the Austrian palace ... Operator? Hello?
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To: Russia
>PM> (p.s. - still nothing from Austria ...)
>
>Austria wants to have a peace treaty with Russia. I do not want to enter
>into one at the present time as our plans seem to counter such a treaty.
>I am neogotiating with him, but not very much.
I have heard nothing from him. If he is only talking to you, and not eve
n talking to me, that could mean he has bad intentions towards my
country. I would appreciate any info you might pass along in regards to
his strategy ...
>Speaking of Austria, I received a very strange communique from the leader
>of France. He thought (?) I was Austria and told me to be very wary of
>entering into any treaty with Turkey. He also said that he felt you were
>out to get France and will do anything to achieve that objective. While I
>have to desire to become involved in whateve this situation is, I just
>thought I'd pass this on to you. I will be responding to the French
>informing them that I'm Russia and not Austria. It was most strange.
France's mistake has presented you with a good opportunity for a
disinformation campaign - why not pretend you *ARE* Austria and see what
information you could draw out of him? It would certainly be helpful to
me. I would not say that I am 'out to get him', I will not pass on an
opportunity to take advantage of any mistakes he might make. Your
deceiving him would be much appreciated by my country ...
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To: Austria
>With all those clicks and sputters in your messages its no wonder you
>can't get through. :-) The Austrian government has no immediate plans
>with the aforementioned goal of attacking Italy. Do you have any goodies?
Ah, finally a clear connection. These new fangled phones just don't work
too good in the desert ... Where was I? Oh yes, Italy. Well, it appears as
if Italy is without a Head of State. It would seem that the time is ripe
for an Austrian Vacation on the Roman Riviera. Not too far south though -
not if we want peace between our countries. I will need access to the
Mediterranean if I am to expand in a manner that is not harmful to your
country. But that won't be until probably 1903 (for me). My immediate
concern is Balkan expansion. I'd like it to be peaceful. Traditionally, I
get Bulgaria, you get Serbia and you and Russia fight over Rumania. I
would hope that you two can resolve any Rumanian conflicts in a peaceful
manner - in the same we resolve my conquest of Greece in a peaceful manner
(only fair if you get Venice).
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To: Austria
P.S. - This is not meant to be anti-Russian, but rather a precaution
about possible actions in the Alps: I've heard from the my
friend the Czar that the French are spreading false propaganda
about you in his court.
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To: Germany
>I was just wondering if you have heard from Austria lately. I haven't
>talked to him, but I saw that you wrote him a message. Did he reply? If
>I am the only one he isn't talking to I think that could mean something
>hey. Diplomacy seems to be dying down, are people losing interest in the
>game or just doing other things?
I got a short note back from him. He really didn' say anything concrete,
but I some proposals for a division of the Balkans and also tried to
convince him of the wisdom of an Austrian campaign in Italy. I haven't yet
receieved a reply to those proposals.
Have you heard from France or England? I have not received a reply to my
public message to England, and I will not be talking anytime soon to the
French. Mutual muteness on their part could not be good for the Reich ...
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To: Russia
Germany
Are we agreed, gentleman, that A Ven-Pie is at least one of the
Italian moves?
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To: Russia
Germany
I just checked my public message to him and he received it. A check of the
(L)ast On command onthe main menu indicates that he was on yesterday. So,
he has had plenty of time to respond. I would not say this looks good for
the two of you. An Anglo-French alliance is a certainty ...
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To: Germany
>The French and I have had our relationship cool in the last day or two,
>this worries me a bit. As for England, anytime you don't talk to someone
>it worries you I can'r do much about his first move especially since he
>isn't talking to people at least not about Diplomacy.
I haven't seen anything from England/Jim Hopper, Diplomacy or not, private
or public, in at least three days. The only mail I've seen from France was
a message from Russ to All saying that he had decided not to quit. I think
the Anglo-French connection is obvious. I don't think the Austrians are in
that block though, so between you and the Russians, you should be able to
handle the Anglo-French ...
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To: Russia
>PM> why not pretend you *ARE* Austria and see what information you could
>PM> draw out of him?
>
>I told him that you were neutral towards France. I am sorry that I have
>no further information and will not be able to get any more since he knows
>with whom he's dealing.
Whatever you do, don't tell France you are passing information along to
me. He does not like me (as a person, not a country) and will do whatever
he can to screw up my plans ...
>Should I declare war on Austria, since it appears that I will be the only
>country to invade another by moving my Army from Warsaw to Galicia? BTW,
>can the Fleet that will be (hopefully) in Rumania support the Army in
>Galicia attacking Budapest? I'm thinking ahead, but I suspect it can't
>since it's not able to move to Budapest itself. Just thinking ahead,
>which may be a mistake.
A fleet can only support an attack on a territory into which the fleet
could move. Since fleet's cannot move into non-coastal spaces, they may
not support moves into them. So, the answer is no - F Rum cannot support A
Gal-Bud. However, A Gal *COULD* support F Sev-Rum in F'01 should that move
be unsuccessful in S'01. In addition, should it be necessary, my A Bul
could also assist F Sev-Rum in F'01. As a matter of fact, that might be
better, because you could then take a wild stab at seizing either Vienna
or Budapest with A Gal by itself. That's going out on a limb though. A
more conservative move, and one more likely to delay open hostilities with
Austria, is to move A War-Ukr. A Ukr would still be able to support a move
of F Sev-Rum.
Do you prefer conservative or agressive strategy?
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To: Russia
Germany
> PM> Are we agreed, gentleman, that A Ven-Pie is at least one of the
> PM> Italian moves?
>
> I am agreed with such a move. I see where my German counterpart is
> not in agreement. I hope that this does not mean he's changing his
> mind about our potential non-agreesion treaty. I was looking forward
> to working with him in defeating the English. I know he was expressing
> concern about the French, but that concern must have subsided somehow.
> I would have thought a little pressure on France would have been
> welcomed. It might have even kept France from gaining TWO supply
> centers.
Very subtle analysis of the military situation, my dear Nicholas. And
such a move might still prevent the French from gaining two supply
centers, though it would have even greater chance of success if our
friend the Kaiser joined in it. The way I see this breaking down is:
France/England/Austria vs. Germany/Russia/Turkey
Though this is not a given as far as Austria is concerned. I will
test which side Austria is on by requesting he also move A Ven-Pie
(I see no reason he wouldn't ;-), but to prevent him from gaining
the Venetian supply center we must all three (Germany, Turkey and
Russia) move A Rom-Ven for a bounce.
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To: Austria
I have talked to the rulers of Russia and Germany and three of us are in
agreement on the movement of A Ven-Pie. I take it that you have no
objection to Venice being opened to your conquest? Of course, your odds of
that happening are even greater if you submit the same order ...
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To: Germany
> At this point I am mainly waiting for the moves to come
> about. I am not sure how I stand with France. Just a little
> bit ago I thought I was on steady ground, but now I'm not so sure.
> I think it is possible that England and France are allied but it
> is not a foregone conclusion. I will be playing wait and see, an
> alliance between the two can not hurt me in the Spring turn.
> Maybe they will tip their hand the next turn. I can wait until
> tomorrow to see if France replies to my latest letters that would
> be an indication right there. I've been in contact with him every
> day so far. If he doesn't reply or sounds suspicious that could
> be an indication of things to come.
Just don't believe any lies Russ might spread about me. You've seen
how we lit flames as persons, and it has not encouraged me to coop-
erate with him in the least. Our countries are not at war, but France
will find no sympathy with Turkey. I have had no contact with him as
a country, and I doubt if I ever will (unless it is my Horde stomping
the Louvre into little pieces). Thus, anything he might say I've said
to him will be total, unadultered lies. By the same token, anything I
say about him is speculation.
You are right about the first turn not being a faithful indicator of
an Anglo-French alliance - unless an English fleet appears in the
channel (which would mean an imminent English seizure of Belgium).
I have nothing to gain from misdirecting you, but I am interested
in seeing any French or English (in alliance or not) plans thwarted.
May your conquest of the Low Countries be speedy and bloodless,
Sultan Abdul Hamid
p.s. - What moves did you submit for Italy?
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To: Austria
>PM> This is not meant to be anti-Russian, but rather a precaution
>PM> about possible actions in the Alps: I've heard from the my
>PM> friend the Czar that the French are spreading false propaganda
>PM> about you in his court.
>
>That doesn't sound good. I think I will have to have a talk with the
>Ruskies.
You're problem isn't with the Russians - it is with the French ... Once
again, I make a last minute request that you take advantage of your
opportunity in Venice ...
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To: Moderator
It would appear that it may happen sooner than I had thought. If he make
doesn't make an attempt at Venice, he will be going after Greece. If he
does that, we will have war next turn ...
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To: Russia
> ENTERTAINMENT==> TOPIC: EMAIL GAMES Ref: 5E^M3530 Date: 10/31/92
> From: VICTOR LOBERGER Time: 06:58 pm
> Message CC'd to:
> PRESTON MCMURRY
> MICHAEL O'NEILL
> JIM LEMKE
> PM> Very subtle analysis of the military situation, my dear Nicholas.
> PM> And such a move might still prevent the French from gaining two
> PM> supply centers, though it would have even greater chance of
> PM> success if our friend the Kaiser joined in it.
>
> Not only that, but since no one will know whose orders were
> picked for Italy, a country couldn't be blamed for such a move.
> However, I suspect that my analysis is a little too late to sway
> our German friend.
Do you realize that you sent that message to the Germans also? Be care-
ful what you forward and to whom it is forwarded ...
Please?
Especially if it is even slightly critical of the Germans - he might
get p.o.'ed and screw us. As it is, he is wavering in his support
of our three-way alliance ...
(sweating profusely)
"Discretion is the better part of valor" and all that ...
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To: Russia
> PM> He does not like me (as a person, not a country) and will do
> PM> whatever he can to screw up my plans ...
>
> I don't know about that. He says it was just a misunderstanding.
France is lying then. Anybody who spews the sort of vitriol he did
against me (and not within the context of the game either), is someone
who would do anything he could to get me. It isn't a game thing, it is
beyond that - it is a personal thing ...
> I took a conservative approach to the game for this turn. I moved
> my Army in Warsaw to the Ukraine. I decided that I didn't want to
> be the only country violating another's borders - THIS TIME! 8-)
> I moved the Fleet from St. Pete to Gulf of Bothnia, the Army from
> Moscow to St. Pete and the Fleet from Sevastopol to Rumania.
Good. After my initial tactical suggestions, I realized the implica-
tions of A War-Gal and thought I ought to ask you to reconsider. It is
good that you did - even though I've played before, I make no claims
to perfection. :-)
The A Mos-StP is a good move if you fear the English. I guess you
learned a thing or two when you and Jim were playing each others
countries in the practice game ... :-)
> Well, I guess this about does it for the Spring campaign. We'll
> now see what fruits the Fall campaign brings us. 8-)
I just hope the fruit isn't spoiled. It's hard to figure out what
the Austrians are thinking. I've been bending his arm trying to
get him tomove into Italy, but if he doesn't that means I will
be at war with him in F'01. In that case, you probably will to.
When the cannons start firing, it is not the time to waver. An army
takes its greatest casualties when it flees the field of battle ...
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To: Austria
>PM> A Ven-Pie
>PM>
>PM> Of course, your odds of that happening are even greater if you submit
>PM> the same order ...
>
>A Ven-Pie? I don't have any armies in venice.
But the Italians do and you are supposed to submit orders for the Italians
because there is no Italian player. Submit the oredrs NOW! you still have
30 minutes ...
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To: Austria
> I have had some late breaking news from my sources. Russia may
> not be attacking me. That contradicts what I have heard from
> other sources. How confusing. :-(
Russia *WILL NOT* be attacking you. IT is the French you have to
worry about. If he is coming after me, as I suspect he will, he
will have to go through you first. You help the French and you
*WILL* die.
It is not to late to compensate for the error of any pro-French
moves you have submitted. You still have time to change your
orders.
Austria
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F Tri-Ven
A Vie-Tri
A Bud-Ser
Italy
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A Ven-Pie
A Rom-Tus
F Nap-Tyr
Act Now!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
S'01 Results S'01 Results S'01 Results S'01 Results S'01 Results
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Austria: A Bud-Ser, F Tri-Alb, A Vie-hold
England: F Edi-Nrg, F Lon-Nth, A Lvp-Edi
France: A Par-Pic, A Mar-Bur, F Bre-Mid
Germany: F Kie-Den, A Ber-Kie, A Mun-Ruh
Italy: A Ven-Pie, A Rom-hold, F Nap-hold
Russia: F StP(sc)-Bot, A Mos-StP, A War-Ukr, F Sev-Rum(ec)
Turkey: A Con-Bul, F Ank-Con, A Smy-hold
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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To: Russia
> ENTERTAINMENT==> TOPIC: EMAIL GAMES Ref: 5E^S1053 Date: 10/31/92
> From: KEN HOPKINSON Time: 11:17 pm
> \/To: PRESTON MCMURRY (Read 1 times)
> Subj: R: FIRST OFFICIAL POST
>
> RM> Quoting ref# 5E^K3567 From RUSS MOFFETT
> RM> Well hold on! I will build a fleet in Marseilles if I get two
> RM> builds. I will be there in 2 years, if you can manage to get
> RM> 2 ccenters, you will be fine. Remember, watch Galatia, I would
> RM> strongly suggest moving there. Forget Italy, you will have to
> RM> take your chances. Good Luck!
>
> I have had some late breaking news from my sources. Russia may
> not be attacking me. That contradicts what I have heard from
> other sources. How confusing. :-(
I don't know if this was purposefully leaked to me or not, but I
don't think so. I think Austria mistook me for the French. Inter-
esting what sort of lies the French are spreading, isn't it?
Sultan Abdul Hamid
p.s. - all the more reason to maintain our alliance, if the
Austrians are kising up to the French ...
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To: England
> RM> Quoting ref# 5E^K3567 From RUSS MOFFETT
> RM> Well hold on! I will build a fleet in Brest if I get two
> RM> builds. I will be there in 2 years, if you can manage to get
> RM> 2 ccenters, you will be fine. Remember, watch Holland, I would
> RM> strongly suggest moving there. Forget Italy, you will have to
> RM> take your chances. Good Luck!
A most amazing build. And where do you think that fleet will be
headed? London, perhaps?
Sultan Abdul Hamid
p.s. - don't ask me where I got this, and I will make sure to pass
any other such info on to you.
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To: Germany
> RM> Quoting ref# 5E^K3567 From RUSS MOFFETT
> RM> Well hold on! I will build a fleet in Brest if I get two
> RM> builds. I will be there in 2 years, if you can manage to get
> RM> 2 ccenters, you will be fine. Remember, watch Holland, I would
> RM> strongly suggest moving there. Good Luck!
A most amazing build. And where do you think that fleet will be
headed? Kiel, perhaps?
p.s. - don't ask me where I got this, and I will make sure to pass
any other such info on to you.
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To: Moderator
Note on the messages to Russia, Germany and England: I can't
believe this windfall fell into my hands! I feel like the
Americans must have 50 years ago when they decoded the Japa-
nese "Purple Code" and knew every move the Japanese military
would make!
The opportunities for disinformation are endless!
Joy to Turkey!
Btw, the version I sent to Russia was unadultered; the ones
to Germany and england were changed to achieve maximum
effect ... :-)
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To: Germany
> ENTERTAINMENT==> TOPIC: EMAIL GAMES Ref: 5F1B2168 Date: 11/01/92
> From: JIM LEMKE Time: 07:36 am
> \/To: KEN HOPKINSON (Read 1 times)
> Subj: R: FIRST OFFICIAL POST
>
> Firstly, I thought I posted that note privately. Did everyone
> read that whole message or did you just reply to my reply publicly.
> I was not being sarcastic. I just didn't know there was anything
> more to say. I'm very sorry and I hope I didn't screw our relations
> up just before the moves were to be in since I had assumed they were
> ok and it's too late now.
I don't know about Ken's note, but your reply *WAS* public. You ought
to be more cautious, my friend.
As to my analysis of the coalition breakdown: Doubt me now? Where do
you think those French armies will go after they take Belgium? It's
France, England and Austria against the rest of us.
Now is the time, more than ever, to submit agressive Italian moves:
Italy
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A Pie-Mar
A Rom-Ven
F Nap-Apu
This would put pressure on both the Austrians and the French. We
must act as one on such weighty matters, so I am recommending the
same moves to the Russians.
*** Sultan Abdul Hamid ***
p.s. - I think this confirms the intel I passed on to you last night.
p.p.s. - Let the Russians have Sweden. You have worry enough as it is
along the Rhine and he could use the build to fend off your
English enemies ...
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To: Russia
> ENTERTAINMENT==> TOPIC: EMAIL GAMES Ref: 5F120529 Date: 11/01/92
> From: MICHAEL O'NEILL (Leader) Time: 02:08 am
> \/To: ALL (Read 3 times)
> Subj: EXP9201S
>
> Vatican Espere (Rome):
> "The Grand Sultan Abel-al-Hamid II announces with pride that an
> agreement has been reached with the noble Tsar Nikolai to insure
> peace between their two nations. Also discussed was Austrian claims
> to the Balkans, both nobles agreed any Austrian claim to land
> outside their national boundries would be rejected in St.Petersburg
> and Ankara.
Did you submit this press release? Don't do that kind of stuff! It may
be obvious that we have an alliance, but that doesn't mean we have to
tell everyone about it. There might be some dummies out there who didn't
notice - and you just made them smart. I'm going to have to do some
damage control, so ignore my next message (which will be in public).
Regardless of whether it was you, or someone else trying to screw us,
who submitted that press release, our alliance is still strong. It
must be, because there will soon be war with Austria. That means
you need to get an army into Rumania. I suggest the following:
Russia
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A Ukr-Rum
F Rum-Sev
A StP-Fin
F Bot-Swe
Turkey
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A Bul s A Ukr-Rum
This will guarantee that you retain control of Rumania.
Also, you won't be wasting your time trying to bounce England out
of Norway since he can take it anyway (just like you did in the
practice game). What it will do is allow you attempt a supported
move by either your fleet or army into Norway in S'02.
At least one of your builds will have to be A War to ward off the
Austrian menace.
Your Comrade in Arms,
*** Sultan Abdul Hamid ***
p.s. - I'd say the Anglo-Franco-Austrian alliance is fairly obvious ...
p.p.s. - Please make the following the Italian moves: A Pie-War,
A Rom-Ven and F Nap-Apu. This would put pressure on both the
Austrians and the French. We must act as one on such weighty
matters, so I am recommending the same moves to the Germans.
p.p.p.s. - I think this confirms the intel I passed on to you last
night.
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To: Moderator
> ENTERTAINMENT==> TOPIC: EMAIL GAMES Ref: 5F120529 Date: 11/01/92
> From: MICHAEL O'NEILL (Leader) Time: 02:08 am
> \/To: ALL (Read 3 times)
> Subj: EXP9201S
>
> Vatican Espere (Rome):
> "The Grand Sultan Abel-al-Hamid II announces with pride that an
> agreement has been reached with the noble Tsar Nikolai to insure
> peace between their two nations. Also discussed was Austrian claims
> to the Balkans, both nobles agreed any Austrian claim to land
> outside their national boundries would be rejected in St.Petersburg
> and Ankara.
I don't know who turned this in, but it wasn't me. Did you make
that up? If so, please don't do it again. I don't want my policies
made public, even in an indirect way (that's why I didn't submit
any press releases).
(sweating profusely)
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To: All (public)
> ENTERTAINMENT==> TOPIC: EMAIL GAMES Ref: 5F120529 Date: 11/01/92
> From: MICHAEL O'NEILL (Leader) Time: 02:08 am
> \/To: ALL (Read 3 times)
> Subj: EXP9201S
>
> Vatican Espere (Rome):
> "The Grand Sultan Abel-al-Hamid II announces with pride that an
> agreement has been reached with the noble Tsar Nikolai to insure
> peace between their two nations. Also discussed was Austrian claims
> to the Balkans, both nobles agreed any Austrian claim to land
> outside their national boundries would be rejected in St.Petersburg
> and Ankara.
Lies! We discussed no such thing! Turkey is at war with Russia! We
are friends with the Austrians! Who is spreading this crap? Infidels!
I will drag the body of your ravished grandmother through the streets
of Ankara behind diseased goats!
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To: Austria
I am at a complete loss for words. Why did Vienna hold? Are you
trying to crush a peasant revolt or something? Don't you know
those sort of strong-armed tactics don't work with today's more
advanced serfs?
And by the beard of Abraham, why didn't you take Venice? It was
laying open for you like a virgin on her wedding night!
A very confused,
*** Sultan Abdul Hamid ***
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To: Russia
> PM> I'm going to have to do some damage control, so ignore my next
> PM> message (which will be in public).
>
> Please do so. I have no idea how such a message would have gotten
> posted.
Some lying bastard told Mike to post it as if I had done it. Probably
the French or Austrians ...
> I will take your the remaining part of your message regarding
> potential moves under advisement. Off hand, they seem very prac-
> tical. I knew I had to get an Army in Rumania and build an army
> too. I suspect that any Army I build will be in Warsaw and then
> move into the Galicia for the upcoming battle with Austria - if it
> happens that way.
That's what I was thinking too - but don't forget that by that time
the Austrians will have two builds also ...
> BTW, the map I've been playing off of-the Black/White BMP-doesn't
> have Finland listed. I thought it was an impassable country, thus
> I was wondering how I was going to be able to build a Fleet in St.
> Petersburg and still ward off the English. It's nice to know that
> I'll be able to work in that area and use Finland.
Finland is *DEFINITELY* a legal territory. The only territories that
aren't legal are the ones without names on the map (Iceland, Sardinia,
etc). The exception is Switzerland which is labeled, but impassable.
> PM> Also, you won't be wasting your time trying to bounce England
> PM> out of Norway
>
> True, but with my move to St. Petersburg of the Army, he has to
> use ALL his rescourse to take Norway. Thus helping Germany too.
> I've pointed that out to the Kaiser too - I think.
>
> I fear the English.
Well, if you fear the English, why not force him to use all his
resources when he doesn't need to? If he wants to insure his
capture of Norway, he must do it with support. Moving A StP-Nwy
will do you absolutely no good. But if instead you move A StP-Fin,
you will be set up to build an army in St. Petersburg which could
then move to Norway with the support of F Swe & A Fin in the Spring
of '02.
> PM> I don't know if this was purposefully leaked to me or not,
> PM> but I don't think so.
>
> From the communique, it does appear that France is planning an
> all out war against you. If two years is the target date, then
> Greece and related areas would seem to be the area he's shooting
> for.
There's no way he can get to Greece in two years. No way at all -
even *IF* all the units on the board just vaporized. Assuming no
resistance whatsoever, the soonest France could to the Ionian Sea
would be S'03.
> Did you tell Austria that I was planning to attack them or that
> I had decided NOT to attack? Once again, countries are sure
> spreading rumors trying to forge stronger alliances.
I told Austria nothing. I did everything I could to get him to
move towards Venice. I have nothing to gain, and everything to
lose, by him gaining two supply centers as it now his inevitable
fate to do so. Either Austria was very lucky, or they are whoring
around with the Germans also ...
Don't hope too hard. I wouldn't trust the Germans asfar as I could
throw one of their fat, beer-swilling asses ...
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To: Moderator
Press releases should be for the public posting of policy. If
players wish to deceive one another, they should do so on their
own - not the neutral offices of the moderator. I will not be
posting any press releases and request that you not do so in my
name. If my enemies want to pull that sort of chicanery, they
should have to come up with a scheme just like I did.
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To: All (public)
Any press releases from Turkey included with moves results are
lies. The neutral offices of the moderator should not be used for
deception. You want to fool somebody, figure out a way to do it
on your own. I will not be posting any press releases. Note that
I am not signing this as a character, but as myself.
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To: Austria
> I am set in a defensive position right now which could conceivably
> be used to defend against any of my neighbors. With all of the
> conflicting rumors I was hearing I decided that this was the best
> thing to do.
Defend against who? The Greeks? Gimme a break. And what is the point
of Vienna holding? I *TOLD* you that Russia wouldn't invade you! You
didn't believe me. Why doesn't anyone believe an honest man?
It is a good thing you are invading Greece. They have some unusual
sexual habits. Get used to it, because eventually the French will
be doing it *TO* you ...
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TO: Germany
FYI: Russia
> The whole Spring turn was a very Neutral sort of turn. That
> mirrors the feeling I get from the game. While nobody is being
> completely honest with me, neither is any one being totally
> deceitful toward me. About the French, he broke a truce that we
> had about not moving into Burgundy. I am mad, but I don't think
> I can afford a full fledged war early in the game.
He has but one goal on his mind: Get Preston McMurry. Note that it
is not "Get Turkey," but get me personally. I'm on the complete
opposite end of the board from him. That means if he has to go
through you to get to me, he will - and he won't hesistate to lie,
cheat and steal in order to do it. It's something I think you've
begun to realize, but the Austrians haven't.
BTW, don't you think his breaking of the
treaty confirms the info I passed on to you?
> I do not on the other hand have any problem with an aggressive
> Italian attack on France. He told me that he would be leaving
> Marseilles open, but he could have been bluffing.
Bluffing? More like lying. I will write A Pie-Mar, if you agree to
write A Rom-Ven and F Nap-Apu. If you don't agree, I will write a
different order for A Pie.
Victor, would you please write those orders also?
> I have warned him that if he moves into Munich I will just kick
> him out and then he will have a war on his hands. Hopefully the
> fact that historically the Germans always kick the Frenchies
> collective asses will sway him to my perspective.
This is to be expected from a bunch of pinky-out-wine-sipping,
snail-eating, effeminate snots ...
> leverage with England because he hasn't been talking to me very
> much and this will force him to. Maybe I can gain some insight
> into his strategy. If YOU have any insights concering England I
> would appreciate it if you would tell me them.
I have received nothing from England despite repeated attempts to
contact him. I know he's getting the messages, but I'm not getting
anything in return. It would almost appear the French are writing
his orders for him ...
> BTW what is Austria's posistion in the world. Is he just neutral
> or what?
Austria is France's butt buddy - which will become apparent in 1902.
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To: Russia
> PM> Some lying bastard told Mike to post it as if I had done it.
> PM> Probably the French or Austrians ...
>
> I, personally, suspect the English. I base that upon the way he
> spelled Czar. I've been spelling it in all my correspondence as
> CZAR, while the newsreport had it as "TSAR." This Tsar is the way
> the English have been corresponding with me.
Very interesting. Insightful on your part also. But then, as I just
said in my last letter (to you and Germany), there is no difference
between England and France.
> He had told me he was going after Italy, but must have changed
> his mind.
He didn't change it, he lied. And he actually wants me to believe
that they were "defensive moves." Right, like I was born yesterday.
> Will there be a way we will be able to dislodge him from Serbia
> or Greece next year? I asssume that you will be moving your Fleet
> to the Aegean Sea in the Fall.
I will try to dislodge him. I do not know where my fleet will move,
yet. I will confirm that it is definitely *NOT* moving to the Black
Sea (per our agreement).
> A St. Petersburg - Finland
> F Gulf of Bothnia - Sweeden
> F Rumania - Sevastopol
> A Ukraine - Rumania with support from A Bulgaria - Rumania
I can also confirm that will be another of my orders. Your unit can
count on support from my unit ...
> Then I'd build either an Army or a Fleet in St. Petersburg and
> an Army in Warsaw. Can the Fleet in Sweeden be used for support
> of Army Finland - Norway later on or must it move into Skagerrack?
No, it can support an attack from there. Even though a fleet cannot
move Fin-Nwy, it can support such a move. Support is allowed from a
space into any space which the piece may move. Since Sweden and Norway
share a coast, the support from a fleet is legal. Remember that if you
have any rules questions, to ask Michael to clarify them so you don't
attempt an illegal order.
> I trust the Germans a little more than you - right now. He did
> exactly as I had figured he'd do given the non-agression pact.
> I'm going to offer my support to him in fighting the English and
> French, since it appears that France will be taking him on. I
> don't think I can do much, but I want him to know that I'm still
> his friend.
I trust him because he isn't adjacent to me. Right now he needs our
help as much as we need his; be careful when that help is no longer
needed.
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To: England
The Grand Sultanate wishes to know who is in charge in your country. The
shroud of silence over the British Isles is even thicker than its well
known fog ...
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To: Russia
> Seems like some trouble maker is trying to stir up the peasants into
>revolting. I'll have to control this situation and may not be able to
>respond to your messages in a timely fashion. Please do not think ill of
>me for neglecting you. I will try to get to your messages as soon as
>possible. Please bear with me.
I will try to avoid poisonous thoughts, but be forewarned that I am a
naturally very paranoid person. As that preeminant Irish philosopher,
Preston McMurry, once said, "Paranoia is a heightened state of awareness."
I hope the revolt does not spill over my borders, or I would regretfully
be forced to drop everything else and crush it mercilessly (capiche?)
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To: Germany
Russia
> I sent letters to both England and France yesterday, but neither
>have responded yet. I would think that if they don't at least respond
>within a day that they have already made up their minds to attack me.
>But I figure I can at least hold them off since Italy will probably be
>attacking France and Russia will be keeping England a little busy up
>North. If one of them gets a little discouraged I may be able to get
>them to switch sides and join me against their one time ally. I have
>been itching for a little fighting so I'll be happy to get it on with
>them if they want to.
If you have the chance, my dear Otto, would you be so kind as to defecate
upon Napoleon's grave? The Turkish people would appreciate a good laugh at
the expense of the second worst French expansionist war pig of all ...
Sultan Abdul Hamid
p.s. - I don't think I need to say who is the worst ...
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To: Russia
>I will submit orders for my troops as we have discussed and outlined. I
>will also submit the orders for Italy. We need to put some pressure on
>Austria somehow. It sure would have been nice to have that Army in Rome
>in Venice RIGHT NOW! 8-)
Remember:
Italy
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A Pie-Mar
A Rom-Ven
F Nap-Apu
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F'01 Results F'01 Results F'01 Results F'01 Results F'01 Results
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Austria: (civil disorder)
England: (civil disorder)
France: A Pic-Bel, A Bur-Mar(fail), F Mid-Por
Germany: F Den-hold, A Kie-Hol, A Ruh s A Kie-Hol
Italy: A Pie-Mar(fail), A Rom-Ven, F Nap-Apu
Russia: F Bot-Swe, A StP-Fin, A Ukr-Rum, F Rum(ec)-Sev
Turkey: A Bul s (russian) A Ukr-Rum, F Con-Aeg, A Smy-Con
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To: Germany
Russia
I think we can all pretty much figure out how many centers we will have
when Mike gets the results posted. Since we eon't have much time to talk
about it after they are posted, I figured we could discuss builds right
now.
Germany (+2)
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F Kie (to take on the English)
A Mun/Ber (to take on the French)
Russia (+2)
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F StP(nc) (another anti-English build to seal your alliance)
A War (to be used against Austria, *NOT* the Germans)
Turkey (+1)
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F Smy (my only option if I wish toavoid war with my friends the Russians)
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To: England (public)
> Fellow World Leaders,
>
> It is my sad duty to inform you of the death of HRH Queen Victoria
> of the House of Hanover, ruler of all Great Britain. Many of you
> have noticed the lack of action by HM's gov't in the last few months
> on the diplomatic level, but now I'm sure you understand the reason.
>
> Queen Victoria is succeeded by HRH King Edward VII of the House of
> Windsor. I assure you that the King will pursue an active role on
> the geo-political scene.
>
> State funeral services will be held on July 1, 1901 at 1pm GMT, with
> reception to follow.
This is the first correspondence I receive from you since Bloody
Mary was queen? And it wasn't even addressed to me personally. You
have invented something that is sure to haunt generations to come -
the form letter. In return, I suppose you want gifts? Perhaps all the
gold in the Levant?
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To: Russia
>The Builds that you outlined for Russia are what I had in mind myself. I
>was torn between an Army or a Fleet for St. Petersburg, but I decided I
>needed the Fleet to balance the power of the English. I'll eventually
>need to get my Swedish Fleet into Norway to take on the English in the
>Norwegian Sea.
Exactly ...
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To: Germany
>Everything looks fine with me. I was planning F Kiel, A Mun. By moving
>into Holland with my Kiel army I allowed for the possibility that a
>planned French and English move could keep me out of Holland, but if they
>did that than England will not have a power center if Victor moved into
>Norway. So I really doubt England would do that.
Allah has indeed been kind to you, my friend: The English are in civil
disorder. Perhaps it was the death of their queen that distracted them ...
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To: Moderator (public)
>It's this: If a Power goes civil disorder for a fall move, but still
>gains a supply center, does it get to build. Somewhere in the past, I
>remember in the rules that a CD power CANNOT build.
>
>However, according to the best rules I have, that Power is able to build.
> So unless someone quotes the rulebook directly saying that a Power CANNOT
>build if it's fall orders were CD, I will allow the Austrian Player to
>build this turn... This is of course assuming Ken is even aware he can
>build.
According to the original rules - XIII(1) and XIII(2), "Gaining and Losing
Units" - there is no stated prohibition against a country in civil
disorder making builds. It doesn't even mention the situation.
Though it would harm my country, I think it should be allowed. The build
orders are a separate order from moves and I see no reason why a country
couldn't "recover from internal strife" in time to get the next orders in.
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To: England (public)
> Queen Victoria is succeeded by HRH King Edward VII of the House of
> Windsor. I assure you that the King will pursue an active role on
> the geo-political scene.
By the way,
A queen does not conduct diplomacy - in the case of the late Victoria
probably because she was to 'busy' with her horses (which also prob-
ably the cause of her death) - that is the job of the Prime Minister.
Where has he been all this time? Engaging in another well known
English pastime - buggering school boys?
You've lost one queen and, if history is any indication as to English
proclivities, gained another ...
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To: Moderator
I may have been BS'ing, but after looking at the board, I think France
might actually end up building a fleet in Brest. Here's why:
Germany outnumbers France in armies by 3:2 (after building A Mun). A fleet
in Marseilles can't participate in a continental attack or defense. Though
a fleet in Brest would only be marginally more useful, it would be
infinitely more useful than two new French armies. And a build in Paris is
of absolutley no use.
Thus, I see France building A Mar and F Bre ...
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W'01 Builds W'01 Builds W'01 Builds W'01 Builds W'01 Builds
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Austria +1 (4): A Tri
England Even (3): ---
France +2 (5): F Mar, F Bre
Germany +2 (5): F Kie, A Mun
Italy Even (3): ---
Russia +2 (6): F StP(N), A War
Turkey +1 (4): F Smy
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