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From: "OpTik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital Toothbrush!!!
Date: 01 Jul 1998 11:50:34 +0000


Sorry this is totally off topic, but I couldn't help noticing an
Orbital toothbrush in my local supermarket.
It even had the Orbital Logo on it!!

Has anyone else seen one of these? (it's by Colgate I think!!)
Didn't P&P copyright their logo?




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Glastonbury
Date: 01 Jul 1998 14:33:05 +0000


Did ANY of you lot go AND spend a considerable amount of time in the Dance
Tent OF A NIGHT?

If so, then if you could mail me then I would appreciate some musical
guidance.!!

Thanninyoo,

Frenchie




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Question for you all..
Date: 01 Jul 1998 14:30:17 +0000


...after watching Underworld at Glastonbury I was plagued by the
question.....

...why does the 'vocalist' (not 100% sure of his name) wear headphones
whilst performing?

Frenchie




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From: Ez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Question for you all..
Date: 01 Jul 1998 15:14:44 +0100


[e-mail] wrote:
> ...after watching Underworld at Glastonbury I was plagued by the
> question.....
>
> ...why does the 'vocalist' (not 100% sure of his name) wear headphones
> whilst performing?

...presumably for monitoring, but he didn't need to wear 'em for most of
the gig.  In my opinion the 15 minutes they showed could have been cut
down to 8 - dull as arse, I reckon.

Airgun


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Question for you all..
Date: 01 Jul 1998 15:38:05 +0000


At the show they were tops, but then... that all depends on wether or not
you are into them, doesn't it?

Frenchie




Ez <lpaabrow @ lipa.ac.uk>
01/07/98 15:14


Please respond to [e-mail]

cc:    (bcc: Paul French/UK/PSYGNOSIS)





[e-mail] wrote:
> ...after watching Underworld at Glastonbury I was plagued by the
> question.....
>
> ...why does the 'vocalist' (not 100% sure of his name) wear headphones
> whilst performing?

...presumably for monitoring, but he didn't need to wear 'em for most of
the gig.  In my opinion the 15 minutes they showed could have been cut
down to 8 - dull as arse, I reckon.

Airgun


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From: Ez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Question for you all..
Date: 01 Jul 1998 16:19:49 +0100


[e-mail] wrote:
>
> At the show they were tops, but then... that all depends on wether or not
> you are into them, doesn't it?

Don't get me wrong, I like 'em, I just thought the part of the set on tv
was a bit pedestrian.  I expected a bit more of them, it felt like you
were waiting forever for something to happen all the time.  I guess the
atmosphere isn't the same at home as it is in a tent covered with shit
though!  Visuals looked pretty cool, but again you couldn't really tell
much on tv.

Ez [awaiting frenchie's flames...]


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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Glastonbury.. Ahh..Mud
Date: 01 Jul 1998 15:10:57 +0100


Hello All,
        I recently awoken from a festival induced slumber of about 18
hours. Nice. And I still feel tired. For those who were there.. did you
go to the Herbal High Tent?. *Wow*. Banging hard house and techno for
the masses. Superb atmosphere. And many Mitsubishi's in sight. ;-)

A quick review :

Underworld - Good set, although took a long time to get the crowd moving
(or was it just that everyone was stuck in the mud?). Mr Hyde was well
into Moon-Monkey mode and appeared to be under the influence of much
more than "Lager Lager Lager". Good set.

Bentley Rythmn Ace - Excellent. Great set, great crowd reception,
despite the early hour.

Banco de Gaia - er.. didn't show. Bastards.

Fatboy Slim - Very popular set, with the boy Cook whipping the crowd up
for more. Apparently he had to be dragged off the decks. Great start,
great finish - I missed the middle - obtaining more of that Pear Cider.
Very nice.

Auteche - Missed them.. Slept through it. They were on at lunch time.
Who ever scheduled that needs their head examined.

Robbie Williams - Great laugh. Slagged off Take That et al all the way
through, and did a amusing punk version of Back for Good. Crowd loved
it.

Tony Bennett - Wicked. Made listening to all those old records
worthwhile.

Apparently System 7 played as well, but it was raining heavily at the
time, and the mud made it a real struggle to get anywhere.

Good festival, although my tent is in tatters and my clothes all have a
brown tinge. And try dancing in rubber boots. Until Next year....

p.s England may have lost the match... but we have the moral victory.
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  (orbital) Orbital Toothbrush!!!
Date: 01 Jul 1998 12:14:17 EDT



In a message dated 7/1/98 10:53:55 AM, [e-mail] wrote:
Off Topic? That is one of the coolest things I have heard here in a while.
Anyway, I am going to go check that out today. And by the way, does anyone
know how to tell AOL to reply only to [e-mail] instead of the one
person who sent it or three different names that come with all the emails?
Thanks. Later.
AJ

<<Sorry this is totally off topic, but I couldn't help noticing an
Orbital toothbrush in my local supermarket.
It even had the Orbital Logo on it!!

Has anyone else seen one of these? (it's by Colgate I think!!)
Didn't P&P copyright their logo?
>>



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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) WAP100
Date: 01 Jul 1998 21:51:26 +0100


At 00:08 30/6/98 +0100, Henry Cooke wrote:
>
>Hi all,
>
>I bought the WAP100 single today

It's an excellent album (and cheaper than normal too!). My favourite track
is the Broadcast one, but I wasn't too impressed with their album the one
time I listened to it. The Red Snapper track is better than their new
single, and the Autechre track goes some way towards making up for their
album getting delayed. The Aphex/Squarepusher track was unremarkable the
first time I listened to it, but I listened to it again, louder, earlier
today and when it gets going it's great, though not as unconventional as I
expected.

>Boards of Canada

I though their track was a bit dull. More like Boreds of Canada ;-) But I
do love 'Everything you do is a balloon' from the 'Skampler' compilation
and one of their old singles.

>I've heard Autechre have a hard sound in some tracks...?

I'd say harsh is probably a better word. Harsher the later you get, up to
'Chiastic Slide', then 'Cichlisuite' is smoother.

cheers,
jon


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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Underworld at Glastonbury
Date: 01 Jul 1998 21:54:49 +0100


At 16:19 1/7/98 +0100, Ez wrote:
>
>Don't get me wrong, I like 'em, I just thought the part of the set on tv
>was a bit pedestrian.

Probably because it was .NUXX, and they felt they had to play it for the
crowd.

>I expected a bit more of them, it felt like you
>were waiting forever for something to happen all the time.

that's how their music often is. Try the 'Thing in a book' and '215 miles'
mixes of 'Dark and Long' and you'll see what I mean.

cheers,
Jon

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From: Frederic Fournier <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Recording at gigs
Date: 01 Jul 1998 21:57:19 -0400 (EDT)



As some of you may recall my joy of yesterday, I'm gonna be seeing
Autechre this month. My ever-alert pal Killpatient mentionnet to me that
I could sneak in a recorder, good idea!

But I've never been at that sort of gigs, only ordinary commercial-type
everybody-sitting-in-a-theatre kinds of shows... I was wondering, How
much careful should I be about hiding the recorder, especially at the
entrance? Do they search people for stuff like bottles,cameras,etc? And
then there's the sound quality issue... I would of course use an external
microphone, but should I stay away from the speakers, close, center,
back, front, etc etc? And what sort of recorder should I use? There are
normal-cassete recording walkmans, and those minicassettes that reporters
use but I don't think they're a good idea, and also, there are portable
digital recorders, how about those? And finally... Any good ideas
about how to hide the thing so that its not too complicated changing tapes?

*of course* I will make anything I record available to you guys in mp3 :)

datzall 4 today :)

Derf

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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) stuff
Date: 01 Jul 1998 21:29:40 PDT


Alright, first off, I am trying to get a hold of Orb's little fluffy
clouds which I saw on 2 cds: adventures beyond the ultraworld (2cd) and
the live album (2cd).  Which is better?
Second, what is 'Evil Santa'?  I read somewhere that a mag. in the UK
did a review on it?  I've heard of it but I thought it was a joke.  Does
the cd in fact exist?  And if so, what are the tracks?
And last, I spotted another 'The Box' today.  Anyone want?  $11.99 + 5%
tax + s/h (if you want it).  Let me know soon.  Maybe someone in Des
Moines, IA will take it:)...that would be a dream come true, a Orbital
fan in my town except for me.  I think I keep Orbital alive in my town.
Over and out.

                               The Mehul


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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) stuff
Date: 01 Jul 1998 21:37:19 -0700


**
Second, what is 'Evil Santa'?  I read somewhere that a mag. in the UK did a review on it?  I've heard of it but I thought it was a joke.  Does the cd in fact exist?  And if so, what are the tracks?
**

Limited box set of the three satan live disks... I think that's what Loopz told me when I asked him..

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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) dol-lop
Date: 01 Jul 1998 23:37:09 -0700


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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Hartnolls in an Ad...
Date: 02 Jul 1998 01:03:25 -0700


I noticed this last week but put off mentioning it until now...

Last week, while reading the current issue of Interface Magazine
(version 12), I noticed an ad in the inside cover for a new product by
Emu systems called OrbitV2 featuring none other than the Hartnolls
themselves.
The headline sez: Music In Technology and has a pic of them in the
backround while a a pic of the Orbit in the foreground.  The first
paragraph sez and I quote: "Paul and Phil Hartnol of Orbital have taken
their electronica-pop music in and out of this world with Orbit.  We
couldnt think of a more perfect match of sound and talent.  With over
600 of the earths most cutting edge samples and loads of new rhythmic
features, Orbit is the perfect sound module for dance and electronica
music."

Just thought youd all like to know.


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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) More interesting bits of info.
Date: 02 Jul 1998 01:12:00 -0700


Also folks,

For those of you with MTV US that watch it, you may have noticed a
commercial that they have been running in advertisment for their July
4th showing of sexually explicit videos.  In that commercial, the
announcer is talking about being all-american, and they show clips of
parks, etc.  In these clips, there is a bit from the video for Lush with
a couple of old ladies enjoying some ice cream...Not really exciting,
but what is lately?

Another item:  Have any of you seen the 187 Lockdown video for a little
crap song they like to call "Kung Fu".  Well, the director of the vid is
a man named Steve Price.  Could our famed Orbital info-guru have gotten
so frustrated with the scene that he has stooped to directing crappy
Speed Garage videos?  Lets hope not.  :)


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From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Message Bounce: Re: (orbital) Hartnolls in an Ad...
Date: 02 Jul 1998 01:42:00 -0700


Yes, and I beleive they endorsed that product when the first
one came out as well...which is one reason I ran out and got one
right away! And yes, it is a great piece of gear for Orbital
influenced sounding music!
paul
> >
> > [e-mail] wrote:
> > >
> > > I noticed this last week but put off mentioning it until now...
> > >
> > > Last week, while reading the current issue of Interface Magazine
> > > (version 12), I noticed an ad in the inside cover for a new product by
> > > Emu systems called OrbitV2 featuring none other than the Hartnolls
> > > themselves.


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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Hartnolls in an Ad...
Date: 02 Jul 1998 13:38:54 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> I noticed this last week but put off mentioning it until now...
>
> Last week, while reading the current issue of Interface Magazine
> (version 12), I noticed an ad in the inside cover for a new product by
> Emu systems called OrbitV2 featuring none other than the Hartnolls
> themselves.
> The headline sez: Music In Technology and has a pic of them in the
> backround while a a pic of the Orbit in the foreground.  The first
> paragraph sez and I quote: "Paul and Phil Hartnol of Orbital have taken
> their electronica-pop music in and out of this world with Orbit.  We
> couldnt think of a more perfect match of sound and talent.  With over
> 600 of the earths most cutting edge samples and loads of new rhythmic
> features, Orbit is the perfect sound module for dance and electronica
> music."

    That's interesting. I never really thought the Orbit would be that great a
synth module, least of all the kind orbital would be using.. I'm sure it has
some good sounds, as sampling technology has gotten quite impressive, but I
can't imagine it having more than very limited uses to anyone who already has a
good deal of synth gear. Plus, I have something of a personal vendetta against
e-mu systems over some equipment i purchased from them last year..

-Morey





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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) A night with Carl Cox
Date: 03 Jul 1998 01:42:07 -0700


Hey, here's an interesting party review for all of yah

I have to say one thing, CARL COX is AMAZING.  That entire night was
amazing.  I danced extremely hard that night and I'm still aching from it
(twas Tuesday night).  If any of you get a chance, check Grant Plant, a DJ
from LA off of Phatt Phunk Records and Skylab 2000, also off of Phatt Phunk
Records.  They are both amazing.  Grant Plant is the most hype and exciting
DJ that I have ever seen.  He was grooven and jumping all around while
spinning some superb music.  He did some bizare stuff too.  Spun a beat from
an Orbital song (still can't remember which one, although it's off of brown
or green) then went into an amazing remix of Born Slippy and then into
Comfortably Numb by Pink Floyd and then mixed that into some more house
music.  What a set.  Skylab played mostly breakbeat stuff which I wasn't
expecting.  And Carl Cox, he is just the man.  He's a presence of amazing
DJing skills and musical talent.  I didn't recognize anything that he was
spinning, except he used the tune from Faithless' Insomnia.  I didn't watch
his entire set since he started at 5:00 am and i had been dancing since
12:00.  I did however catch almost two hours of his set.  Did Vancouver list
members go to this?
thanx for reading my story.

peace
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From: "Peter Cooper" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Prodigy mailing lists?
Date: 03 Jul 1998 11:56:15 +0000


Hi guys,
Sorry for being *completely* off subject, but do any of you know of any
Prodigy mailing lists? I'd appreciate any help. No more off subject stuff.
Promise!
Thanx
Peet

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From: "OpTik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Event Horizon
Date: 03 Jul 1998 13:32:24 +0000


OFF TOPIC (what is the topic at the moment anyway!!) :-)

I have found some wicked uses for my Event Horizon CD.

1. If you are playing Quake/Quake2. Stick the Event Horizon CD in the
drive. Put on a pair of headphones and turn the lights out (sad I
know!!).
This is the gratest gaming experience you will have.
Oh, and have a few clean pairs of pants by your side!!!

2. Listen to it in the dark when there is no one else in the house!!!

3. Listen to it when you are tripping/pissed!!! ;-)


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From: Peter Lundholm <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(orbital) OT: cdr probs.
Date: 03 Jul 1998 14:05:53 +0200


At 13.03 -0700 98-06-28, Mehul Parekh wrote:
>When I put a cdr in my computer, it is not recognized.  I recently got a
>cd w/ some music on it, but I cannot get my computer to read it at all.
>Is there a some patch that needs to be installed?
>Help!

With some CDRs and some CD-ROM drives that is the case - probably not much
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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Evil Santa
Date: 03 Jul 1998 13:43:15 +0100


>Second, what is 'Evil Santa'?  I read somewhere that a mag. in the UK did a
review on it?  I've >heard of it but I thought it was a joke.  Does the
cd in fact exist?  And if so, what are the tracks?
**

>>Limited box set of the three satan live disks... I think that's what Loopz
told me when I asked >>him..

Tis true....all 3 live cds in one cardboard type box which is grey
looking. I thought id put this on the Loopz site with a scanned
image...but i hadnt....ill add it to the ever growing list of things to
do (underneath wash the car!) ;)

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: clorox <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) RE:Glastonbury.. Ahh..Mud
Date: 03 Jul 1998 11:53:23 -0400


Tim W. had written: Banco de Gaia - er.. didn't show. Bastards.

it appears Banco de Gaia has had a difficult time playing anywhere over
the last year...Banco was there at Glastonbury, but for some reason
couldn't get the equipment on stage...http://www.banco.co.uk/ has the
detailed explanation, just go to the news update section...

-jeff



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From: clorox <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) HIA...this is almost Orbital realated...
Date: 03 Jul 1998 12:02:25 -0400


the cover to the live Orbital cd loopz was selling awhile back (june
5,1993) also stated that HIA played...i'm wonering if their set was
recorded...actually if anyone has any live HIA stuff let me know...i'm
also wondering if beyond records is still around (this is the record co.
they were on)...thanks

-jeff



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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Hartnolls in an Ad...
Date: 03 Jul 1998 12:22:43 EDT


In a message dated 98-07-02 04:05:38 EDT, you write:

<<  I noticed an ad in the inside cover for a new product by
 Emu systems called OrbitV2 featuring none other than the Hartnolls
 themselves.  >>

hmmmm, I think I will go to the magazine place and rip out that ad. itll look
good on my wall.

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From: Nub <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) des moines and other atrocities
Date: 03 Jul 1998 13:10:03 -0500 (EST)


> tax + s/h (if you want it).  Let me know soon.  Maybe someone in Des
> Moines, IA will take it:)...that would be a dream come true, a Orbital
> fan in my town except for me.  I think I keep Orbital alive in my town.

hey! i'm from des moines! i had no idea there was another iowan on the
list! wow... unfortunately, i've already got the box ep. where did you
find it? in DES MOINES? where? i'm guessing either border's or best buy.

sorry to clog everyone's e-mail boxes, but this is exciting - two iowans!
wow.

and to all my fellow americans - even though our soccer (erm, sorry,
"football") sucks like hell, hope everyone has a good july 4th. i'm gonna
be in boston that night, hopefully at a club somewhere.

take it easy, y'all,
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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) RIP Tony De Vit.
Date: 03 Jul 1998 14:36:17 +0100


Tony De Vit died yesterday in a Birmingham hostipal. He was 41.

For those who follow the Hard house / techno scene, I'm sure you will
agree that the scene has lost one of it's greatest. Tis a sad day.

<speechless>
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Subject: (orbital) great find
Date: 03 Jul 1998 14:27:33 -0500


hey everyone...

just had to share...  i found the Chime Remixes 12 inch for $1 yesterday...
 not to good of condition but it plays...

/me is very pleased...

now if i could just find that pesky Omen 12 inch...


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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Turntables and gear
Date: 03 Jul 1998 22:18:13 -0700


Hey,

Sorry for off topic m3ssage- I was wondering if anyone could recommend some
good djing equipment that is reasonably cheap.  I wanted to get some gear,
but have no idea what companies are putting out good equipment.  I do have
access to excellent stores which carry this stuff so any recommendations
would be helpful.  Mail me privately so that this is the only message for
this topic to clutter the mailboxes of all these deliteful orbiteers.

p3ace
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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) The Saint Video - Full version online @ Loopz
Date: 05 Jul 1998 14:40:18 +0100


The Saint Video (the one that many would not have seen) - is online in
the VIDEOS section on the Loopz website. You need Real Player for this
to work - so download it from www.real.com.

www.hyperreal.org/loopz

Sorting more videos out the next few weeks...so keep visiting.


Thanx

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Subject: (orbital) off for a week etc.
Date: 05 Jul 1998 08:17:57 -0700


Hey.. I'm headed off to northern michigan for the week.. there's already 19 people up at the cottage.. add in my family's five.. eugh.. squishy.. I'll see you guys in a week..

oh yeah.. picked up the july mixmag (uk) and for once the free cd was actually on it.. good stuff.. like nine bucks with tax for the mag but not bad when you have the cd..
1. intro - deejay punk-roc - i hate everybody
2. jurassic 5 - in the flesh
3. tricky - broken homes (hip hop mix)
4. waiwan - filtered funk
5. gang starr- the rep grows bigga
6. massive attack - mezzanine
7. skinny - come down
8. wamdue project - king of my castle (original edit)
9. lo-fidelity allstars - vision incision (midfield general shorter mix)
10. lemon interupt - bigmouth
11. groove armada - pressure breakdown
12. deejay punc-roc - i hate everybody
13. super discount - le patron est devenu fou!
14. sven vath - blue spliff
15. craig armstrong - weather storm
16. jonny l - wish u had something
17. asian dub foundation - charge

have a good week guys.. it's summer... go have some fun.. my latest summer fun thing was abandoning plans to eat dinner at this bar&grill thursday night when I won floor tickets to metallica like as soon as I got there.. good concert.. (ps yesterday was a year since I saw orbital n met the brothers.. droooooool..)

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) off for a week etc.
Date: 05 Jul 1998 22:43:43 +0100


At 08:17 5/7/98 -0700, Aimee Couture wrote:
>
>oh yeah.. picked up the july mixmag (uk) and for once the free cd was
actually on >it.. good stuff.. like nine bucks with tax for the mag but not
bad when you have the >cd..

>10. lemon interupt - bigmouth

My brother was complaining that Underworld weren't on there (as it says on
the cover), if only people would read the magazine! On second thoughts, it
is Mixmag...

cheers,
Jon

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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) The Saint Video - Full version online @
Date: 05 Jul 1998 23:42:00 -0400




----------
> From: [e-mail]
> The Saint Video (the one that many would not have seen) - is online in
> the VIDEOS section on the Loopz website. You need Real Player for this
> to work - so download it from www.real.com.

    On a similar note, they showed this video on amp 3 weeks ago. It's one of
the most mind boggling videos I've seen. It's just downright weird. BTW,
AMP is now on Sunday nights at 2 (eastern time) with a new season, and both
episodes have been excellent. I'm looking forward to tonight's.

-Morey




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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) The Saint Video - Full version online @
Date: 06 Jul 1998 00:57:47 -0700


I cant believe anyone actually likes this new AMP that theyve been
showing, it's absolutly terrible.  I keep hoping theyll bring back the
mix crew but it doesnt seem like itll ever be the same decent show
again.  Next thing we know, theyll have Matt Pinfield of 120Min hosting
it.

.MatthewFord.

Morey Gamble wrote:
>
> ----------
> > From: [e-mail]
> > The Saint Video (the one that many would not have seen) - is online in
> > the VIDEOS section on the Loopz website. You need Real Player for this
> > to work - so download it from www.real.com.
>
>         On a similar note, they showed this video on amp 3 weeks ago. It's one of
> the most mind boggling videos I've seen. It's just downright weird. BTW,
> AMP is now on Sunday nights at 2 (eastern time) with a new season, and both
> episodes have been excellent. I'm looking forward to tonight's.
>
> -Morey


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Subject: Re: (orbital) The Saint Video - Full version onlin
Date: 06 Jul 1998 15:28:24 -0500



DX>>         On a similar note, they showed this video on amp 3 weeks ago. It's
DX>> the most mind boggling videos I've seen. It's just downright weird. BTW,
DX>> AMP is now on Sunday nights at 2 (eastern time) with a new season, and bot
DX>> episodes have been excellent. I'm looking forward to tonight's.

DX>I cant believe anyone actually likes this new AMP that theyve been
DX>showing, it's absolutly terrible.  I keep hoping theyll bring back the
DX>mix crew but it doesnt seem like itll ever be the same decent show
DX>again.  Next thing we know, theyll have Matt Pinfield of 120Min hosting
DX>it.

            I have to disagree. The mixed episodes of Amp were the most
horrible things I've ever seen. The only time I ever saw a single mix
that was on was when they showed clips from the X-Mix series. I mean,
I'm sure it's more difficult to mix videos than records, but overlapping
the drum parts on songs that aren't the same tempo is just bad. I would
much rather hear the songs in their entirety than listen to 30 seconds
of different tempo drum clashing with each other. There was also very
little consideration given to the moods of the songs. Mixing trip hop
with high speed techno would be weird even if it *was* possible to get
them the same speed (assuming you even wanted to in the first place...)
Anyway, not only have the episodes *not* been badly mixed, the track
listings for the shows is much closer to the quality they had on the
very first few episodes. Has anyone else seen the new AMP? I'm curious
if I'm all alone on this one.. I can probably gather up the listings for
all 3 episodes if anyone is interested..

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Subject: Re: (orbital) The Saint Video - Full version onlin
Date: 06 Jul 1998 15:40:56 -0500


ZE>In a message dated 98-07-05 23:58:16 EDT, you write:

ZE><<       On a similar note, they showed this video on amp 3 weeks ago. It's
one o
ZE> the most mind boggling videos I've seen. It's just downright weird. >>

ZE>could you describe this video, I might have seen it before.
ZE>does it have like twelve different scenes on it and a bunch of people are
ZE>running around or is that something else?

            The screen is split into 9 identical boxes, and each box is
basically a spot with a camera set on a tripod. All of the cameras are
set up near each other, more or less. It looks like they're all centered
around about 1 city block. Some indoors, some outdoors. Anyway, it's
basically just people going about their everyday lives, sometimes people
walk off one screen only to walk onto another. Then in the part of the
song where it breaks down and plays the bit from the intro again, the
screens slow down and something goes haywire on most of them. Some boxes
fall down, a water pipe breaks, and so on. I guess that's not much help,
but it's the basic idea. I'm not sure what (if anything) it has to do
with the song itself.. (and i never noticed roger moore in it)

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From: jon masciana <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Trading with Loopz
Date: 06 Jul 1998 17:49:09 -0700


Hi all,

Just want to make a gripe publicly about a transaction that went foul with
Loopz (steve Price), because he doesn't want to trade with me now---after I
sent him some Orbital cdrs but refuses to return the cds I sent him even
though he doesn't want to trade anymore.

I'm wondering if anyone else has had a bad experience trading with Loopz,
email me if so. I really don't like people who think it's okay to dishonor
trades and get away with it. here's the full story, if anyone's interested
(if you're not interested, press <delete> now):

I agreed to trade him a few Orbital cdr compilations that he wanted a few
tracks from. he said he would tape a few remixes for me, (I would have
rather traded cdrs, but oh well..)

THis was over a month ago, I sent him the cds and hadn't heard anything
until I repeatedly reminded him to send my tape. he claimed he was busy and
had forgotten. Here's the mail:

Loopz:

>>>Definatly this week....its been a mad the last few days - ive changed
>>>projects which meant working in a different city - but it will be ok


I wrote:

>>Thanks--please let me know, I'm sure you're an honest trader, but it has
>>been awhile...

He wrote in response:

im the best trader in the land - loads of people will tell u that. Thats
why i get this busy.

Just dont distribute it on cd - i need your word on this -
people have already told me what your plan was.


<snip>

Hmmm...he seemed to think I had a massive plan to sell his tape recordings
to everyone on the Internet. I had no intention of selling his tape or
putting it on cdr and selling it. He was bothered by the fact that I may
trade with people in the future with these recordings. Which I possibly
would since I love to trade with people. Now...please tell me, why would he
be bothered by trading when he does it himself? And why didn't he make
himself clear when we initially did the trade...

Anyway, he didn't like my response to this---here's what I wrote in response:

>And is this any different than what you are doing? I sent you cds of some
>orbital tracks and you are sending me a tape of some orbital tracks. What
>is wrong with trading Orbital tracks? Orbital is not losing any money---I
>would much prefer to buy the originals and pay paul and phil's bank account
>to be honest. But the tracks you and I both have are out of print. If you
>have a problem with trading with me, I suggest you send back the cds or
>else YOU will be blacklisted. As I stated previously, I am not inteding to

<snip, I ramble...>

>Now the issue is trading--why is it not okay with you to trade Orbital
>stuff when you are doing exactly that? Explain me your reasons and I'll
>consider making an agreement with you about your taped stuff. I'm worried
>about stuff getting copied endlessly as well, but i only trade with people
>who are collectors themselves, not bootleggers.
>
>But if you are uncomfortable with trading with me (and no one has up until
>this point), i suggest we resolve this by you sending back the cds. If
>that's cool--let me know. Thanks,

And here's what he wrote in response (can you believe this came from the
founder of the Orbital mailing list?):

Loopz wrote:

I dont agree with your plan and i dont like your attitude.

>I suggest you send back the cds or else YOU will be blacklisted

And as for that - all i can say is GO Blacklist me then!

As they say...large lips sink ships

Njoi life

Steve

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Ummm---is it me who has the bad attitude here? If anyone has a similar
story in reference to trading with Loopz, let me know--and thanks for
reading this--

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From: "Wouter Hermans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Trading with Loopz
Date: 07 Jul 1998 06:43:30 +0200


uhm, my little comment on this:

- before i feel like judging someone, i want to hear the whole story.
- i don't feel like judging, take it back off the list.  why are people
always having difficulties getting along?
- i don't support nor you nor steve in this
- steve, if you won't trade anymore, it seems reasonable you return the
cdr's he claims.
- frankly, i don't care, but i'm sure this message by you will start a
"pleasant" time here in this list.  thank you...

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>Hi all,
>
>Just want to make a gripe publicly about a transaction that went foul with
>Loopz (steve Price), because he doesn't want to trade with me now---after I
>sent him some Orbital cdrs but refuses to return the cds I sent him even
>though he doesn't want to trade anymore.





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From: "Wouter Hermans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Trading with Loopz
Date: 07 Jul 1998 07:24:03 +0200


(oh god i suck at replying to a list...)

>>- before i feel like judging someone, i want to hear the whole story.
>
>THanks for the mail--you've pretty much heard my story, I'm sure steve's
>will be basically the same, I really don't understand why he didn't want to
>trade with me, I have a feeling I don't know the whole story, but his
>response was inappropriate and uncalled for. I do hope people take notice
>of this and realize that burning people on the Internet is totally not
>acceptable.


well, i personally find your response quite uncalled for.  if you haven't
heard steve's whole story, why bring it in the open?  what if he has a
legitimite reason?

>>- i don't feel like judging, take it back off the list.  why are people
>>always having difficulties getting along?
>
>Well, I always try to get along with people, and this is the first time
>I've publicly felt like saying something about a trader. It's just not
right.


my advice is always: get a lawyer when you're having problems in commerce.
now, in this case lawyers can't get involved...  but saying to everyone
"hey, fukkit, this nitwit doesn't trade with me correctly" is kinda sad...

>>- i don't support nor you nor steve in this
>
>I'd like to hear why you don't support me, what's your opinion of my side?


i only support people if i really care, and who are right.  i don't know
who's right here because i don't know both stories.  and who am i to judge
who's right?

>>- steve, if you won't trade anymore, it seems reasonable you return the
>>cdr's he claims.
>
>that would be the reasonable thing to do, but you read the email he sent me
>today...


well, or he does, or he gives a reason...  anyway, deal with it personally
please?

>>- frankly, i don't care, but i'm sure this message by you will start a
>>"pleasant" time here in this list.  thank you...
>
>That's what I'm hoping as well--thanks for your interest and feedback, much
>appreciated!


hmm... that was ment sarcastic... oh well...

please try to arrange things in private.  my guess is nobody wants a fight
about cdr's inhere...

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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) De Vit
Date: 06 Jul 1998 23:03:47 -0700


I keep hearing about mr. De Vit's passing and I have one question-What
did he die from?  One of my customers said it was AIDS but I dont know
if theres any truth to this.  Thanks.


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From: jon masciana <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) De Vit
Date: 06 Jul 1998 23:10:39 -0700



>> >I keep hearing about mr. De Vit's passing and I have one question-What
>> >did he die from?  One of my customers said it was AIDS but I dont know
>> >if theres any truth to this.  Thanks.
>>
He died from pneumonia, but it could have been an AIDS related illness, I
really don't know. Other people are saying it was from AIDS, but I'm not
sure he actually had AIDS to begin with...

Does anyone know? Even though this is non-Orbital related, De Vit was
influential to the scene...(but some of his remixes did suck...)

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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Autechre
Date: 07 Jul 1998 00:49:52 -0700


Just some ramblings from a madman.
Found out that Autechre is coming to Vancouver, although they are playing at
a club, so it seems that if I want to observe this spectacle, i must get
some fake ID.
One last thing.  Are there any ravers from Vacnouver on this list?  If so
mail me.

peace
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From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mostly OT: AMP 2.0 (was Re: (orbital) The Saint Video - Full version onlin)
Date: 07 Jul 1998 05:25:55 -0700 (PDT)


I can't really pin down WHY, but I like the old AMP better than AMP 2.0 -
the mixing could suck mightily at times, but when it *worked*, it was a
lot of fun to watch.  I managed to tape almost all of them from episode
five (105) on in SP - I'll still tape these, but in EP probably (not that
it matters as I'll probably never watch them again anyway, heh)

I did enjoy seeing the old Kraftwerk video (finally!) last Sunday, even if
Ralf's vocals didn't sync with the performance visuals whatsoever.  :)
And I must say seeing *complete* videos can be a plus.

Maybe it's just that the show is now on while I sleep instead of when I
stay up late - maybe I just miss the opening where they list off the menu
of artists appearing - maybe I miss the Vectrex tracings - but ultimately,
I'm glad the show is still on at all.

ObOrbital: It's STILL the only place I've ever seen Orbital vids - but
wow, I've seen (counting in head) what, seven videos by them?  Yeah!  Go
MTV!

CRZ

PS  If anybody wants to swap AMP dubs, let me know.  I've got a couple
holes I'd like to fill.  ;-)

--begin included text
DX>I cant believe anyone actually likes this new AMP that theyve been
DX>showing, it's absolutly terrible.  I keep hoping theyll bring back the
DX>mix crew but it doesnt seem like itll ever be the same decent show
DX>again.  Next thing we know, theyll have Matt Pinfield of 120Min hosting
DX>it.

            I have to disagree. The mixed episodes of Amp were the most
horrible things I've ever seen. The only time I ever saw a single mix
that was on was when they showed clips from the X-Mix series. I mean,
I'm sure it's more difficult to mix videos than records, but overlapping
the drum parts on songs that aren't the same tempo is just bad. I would
much rather hear the songs in their entirety than listen to 30 seconds
of different tempo drum clashing with each other. There was also very
little consideration given to the moods of the songs. Mixing trip hop
with high speed techno would be weird even if it *was* possible to get
them the same speed (assuming you even wanted to in the first place...)
Anyway, not only have the episodes *not* been badly mixed, the track
listings for the shows is much closer to the quality they had on the
very first few episodes. Has anyone else seen the new AMP? I'm curious
if I'm all alone on this one.. I can probably gather up the listings for
all 3 episodes if anyone is interested..

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Subject: Re: (orbital) Autechre
Date: 07 Jul 1998 09:15:51 -0400




morpheus wrote:

> Just some ramblings from a madman.
> Found out that Autechre is coming to Vancouver, although they are playing at
> a club, so it seems that if I want to observe this spectacle, i must get
> some fake ID.
> One last thing.  Are there any ravers from Vacnouver on this list?  If so
> mail me.

They play Toronto on August 1st at a place called Ritual.  I plan on going,
finally getting to see an act I want to...  I'm about three hours from TO and
have no idea where this place is.  Does anyone know about it or where I could
find out?  Seeing as this IS Autecre, I don't feel that bringing a whistle would
be appropriate.  I think I'll bring a fog horn instead, eh Steve?  Loud bass :)
And now that I work for the Coast Guard it can in fact be arranged ;)  Be afraid
:)

PS:  You may have noticed that I returned to the list over a month ago and then
dropped off without warning.  That's because of the new way UW was handling off
campus mail.  I couldn't send mail to an off campus address without using telnet
and composing on the server.  Took me a little time to find a way around that.
I'm back!

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Subject: (orbital) New Amp.....
Date: 07 Jul 1998 12:16:21 -0400


>            I have to disagree. The mixed episodes of Amp were the most
>horrible things I've ever seen. The only time I ever saw a single mix
>that was on was when they showed clips from the X-Mix series. I mean,
>I'm sure it's more difficult to mix videos than records, but overlapping
>the drum parts on songs that aren't the same tempo is just bad. I would
>much rather hear the songs in their entirety than listen to 30 seconds
>of different tempo drum clashing with each other. There was also very
>little consideration given to the moods of the songs. Mixing trip hop
>with high speed techno would be weird even if it *was* possible to get
>them the same speed (assuming you even wanted to in the first place...)
>Anyway, not only have the episodes *not* been badly mixed, the track
>listings for the shows is much closer to the quality they had on the
>very first few episodes. Has anyone else seen the new AMP? I'm curious
>if I'm all alone on this one.. I can probably gather up the listings for
>all 3 episodes if anyone is interested..
>
>- -Morey
>

Well, I haven't seen the new Amp, but if what you say is true, then I'll
love it. I hated the ol' drum's mixin an sloshin together right at the
beginning/end of a good (or even bad) piece.... Oh, well. At least it's
still on! Hopefully MTV won't cut it in the future..... heh. Maybe they'll
even expand it. Give it 2 hours, put it on prime time, or at least a more
convienient time than 2 am on a Sunday..............

Oh, I just picked up U-Ziq's Lunatic Harness... Great CD, very different,
but great... Highly recommended for people that like weird shit......



     Later,
       The one known as Kalie Ma

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Subject: Re:  (orbital) off for a week etc.
Date: 07 Jul 1998 13:58:32 EDT


Could someone tell me where I would be able to find a Mixmag magazine? I have
seen the CDs all over, but never the magazine and I would really like to get
it. Later.
AJ


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Subject: Re: (orbital) off for a week etc.
Date: 07 Jul 1998 15:38:52 -0400



---------
> From: [e-mail]
> Could someone tell me where I would be able to find a Mixmag magazine? I
have
> seen the CDs all over, but never the magazine and I would really like to
get
> it. Later.

    I always get it at Waldenbooks. But be warned, it's like $6.95 an issue. I
think it's worth it, tho. It's ust about the only way other than this list
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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) De Vit
Date: 07 Jul 1998 20:31:40 +0100


At 23:10 6/7/98 -0700, jon masciana wrote:
>
>He died from pneumonia, but it could have been an AIDS related illness, I
>really don't know. Other people are saying it was from AIDS, but I'm not
>sure he actually had AIDS to begin with...

I never heard anything of him having AIDS, but then I often miss a lot.

>Does anyone know? Even though this is non-Orbital related, De Vit was
>influential to the scene...(but some of his remixes did suck...)

I thought all his remixes (the ones I've heard, anyway) suck. But it's
still a shame someone who brought so much pleasure to so many has died,
even if he never meant a lot to me.

And I'm pleased no-one's taken the bait on the Jon-Steve trade thing, the
last thing I want to read is an argument about that.

cheers,
Jon


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From: Trym Asserson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Trading with Loopz
Date: 07 Jul 1998 22:39:53 +0100 (BST)


> >Well, I always try to get along with people, and this is the first time
> >I've publicly felt like saying something about a trader. It's just not
> right.
>=20
> my advice is always: get a lawyer when you're having problems in commerce=
=2E
> now, in this case lawyers can't get involved...  but saying to everyone
> "hey, fukkit, this nitwit doesn't trade with me correctly" is kinda sad..=
=2E

<dum dum di dum> "only in America..." , why is "LAWYER!!!!" and "SUE THAT M=
OTHER-F"#%=A4" WHO RIPPED ME OFF" always the American way of paying someone=
 back or ripping off in return.. 'nuff said anyway, it's just a thing which=
 hits on my nerves so badly, sho
wing itself true over and over...

> >>- i don't support nor you nor steve in this

I've tried trading on the Internet a few times in the past, most have been =
trades where tapes from me to the recipient have never returned and me sitt=
ing back with the feeling of not wanting to try it again. On this list, I'v=
e traded with Mehul, Steve and
 currently in progress with Morey, all great people for trades.
So, if Steve has any part in this trade-gone-wrong, let him answer for it i=
n private to you rather than you giving him a bad reputation just like that=
 on the list. Patience, he's not kidding when he says he's busy.

Just my two crowns worth anyway, this got me in a foul mood.

+ "sometimes at night, i used to reach out and try to touch the stars.." +
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Subject: Re: (orbital) Trading with Loopz
Date: 07 Jul 1998 22:41:07 +0100 (BST)


I know you said to hire lawyers mostly just for commerce cases, but still...

just to avoid you thinking I got you wrong.

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From: "Henry Cooke" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) HELP ME!!! I think I'm gonna go crazy....
Date: 07 Jul 1998 22:17:19 +0100


Not strictly Orbital related, but if you can help me you can get the warm
glow of knowing you were responsible for saving the sanity of a normally
well-balanced young gentleman...anyway. There's a short track on some album
in my collection which sounds a bit like the last track on Orbital 1- namely
a looping piano part, but this one is slightly more complex and switches
between a couple of loops. I've been searching for this track like crazy,
but I can't find it and I just *know* I've got it somewhere. I seem to share
musical tastes with a lot of people on this list, so *someone* must know
what I'm talking about....please....?

Henry



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Subject: (orbital) Re: Mostly OT: AMP 2.0
Date: 07 Jul 1998 17:50:08 -0700


Ive got all but half of one, so let me know what you need.  Heres the
site of an acquantance, use it to let me know.

www.execpc.com/~danperry

.MatthewFord.

>
>
> Christopher Robin Zimmerman wrote:
> >
> > I can't really pin down WHY, but I like the old AMP better than AMP 2.0 -
> > the mixing could suck mightily at times, but when it *worked*, it was a
> > lot of fun to watch.  I managed to tape almost all of them from episode
> > five (105) on in SP - I'll still tape these, but in EP probably (not that
> > it matters as I'll probably never watch them again anyway, heh)
> >
> > I did enjoy seeing the old Kraftwerk video (finally!) last Sunday, even if
> > Ralf's vocals didn't sync with the performance visuals whatsoever.  :)
> > And I must say seeing *complete* videos can be a plus.
> >
> > Maybe it's just that the show is now on while I sleep instead of when I
> > stay up late - maybe I just miss the opening where they list off the menu
> > of artists appearing - maybe I miss the Vectrex tracings - but ultimately,
> > I'm glad the show is still on at all.
> >
> > ObOrbital: It's STILL the only place I've ever seen Orbital vids - but
> > wow, I've seen (counting in head) what, seven videos by them?  Yeah!  Go
> > MTV!
> >
> > CRZ
> >
> > PS  If anybody wants to swap AMP dubs, let me know.  I've got a couple
> > holes I'd like to fill.  ;-)


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From: "Brandon Ludwig" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) HELP ME!!! I think I'm gonna go crazy....
Date: 07 Jul 1998 21:26:09 -0400


Moby did one "God moving across the surface of the water" (or something like
that) and Orbital has one on Sniv.

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Not strictly Orbital related, but if you can help me you can get the warm
glow of knowing you were responsible for saving the sanity of a normally
well-balanced young gentleman...anyway. There's a short track on some album
in my collection which sounds a bit like the last track on Orbital 1- namely
a looping piano part, but this one is slightly more complex and switches
between a couple of loops. I've been searching for this track like crazy,
but I can't find it and I just *know* I've got it somewhere. I seem to share
musical tastes with a lot of people on this list, so *someone* must know
what I'm talking about....please....?

Henry



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From: "Shaun D. Rader" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) HELP ME!!! I think I'm gonna go crazy....
Date: 07 Jul 1998 20:08:58 -0700


> Moby did one "God moving across the surface of the water" (or
> something like
> that) and Orbital has one on Sniv.

Yeah, and in case you wanted to hear if the song you were describing IS
indeed the Moby song, you can check out the midi file of it here.

http://www.moby.org/audio/gwtrs.mid

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From: Dave O'Connor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Trading with Loopz
Date: 07 Jul 1998 23:31:47 -0400



><dum dum di dum> "only in America..." , why is "LAWYER!!!!" and "SUE THAT
MOTHER-F"#%=A4" WHO RIPPED ME OFF" always the American way of paying someone
back or ripping off in return.. 'nuff said anyway, it's just a thing which
hits on my nerves so badly, sho
>wing itself true over and over...

And you know what I'm tired of, people criticizing America.  Sure America
has it's problems, (believe me I am the FIRST to admit that), but so does
every other country.  I NEVER get involved in these international criticism
things because I think it's silly.  But I've had it with people making
sweeping generalizations about ANY country, especially one that they don't
live in.  I find your generalizations about American's as insulting as
making generalizations about any ethnic or religious group.  You can
joke...I think everyone should have a sense of humor about nationality,
religion, whatever...but outright generalizations and criticisms are just
out of line.  I've grown up in America, and I think I'm doing pretty damn
well, and I'm pretty damn happy, as are the rest of my family, so please
keep your worthless mental diarreha and petty ethnocentrism to yourself.

Staying true to my "no international debates" policy, I promise to make
this my LAST comment on this matter.

Something Orbital related:  I haven't been reading the list much at all
lately, and I was just wondering what the timetable for the new album might
be.  TIA.

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From: Frederic Fournier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Trading with Loopz
Date: 08 Jul 1998 00:43:24 -0400 (EDT)


On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Trym Asserson wrote:

> I know you said to hire lawyers mostly just for commerce cases, but still...

For everything else, there's shapiro shapiro & shapiro! (anyone remember
those adds?)

I've seen my parents throwing lawyers at each other for years and I'm
pretty sick of 'em allright anyway, blah blah blah listened to Adnan's
and OTSW for first time in months today, what an incredible blast of
ecstatic joy concentrate.

Derf

Finally bought the Stereolab album of last year... Expect comments soon.
Also Incantations by Mike Oldfield, but hey thats got nothing to do with
Orbital so I won't tell you. (Bought the lifeforms 2cd album by FSOL too
- heh that's what you get for a 90 hour week at 12$per - God I'm paying a
full semester of university in one week?! How come I cant spare 2-3000 to
fly over to England for a month or two? go figure.)

Slightly drunk. What an asshole I am, I drove. I shouldve lost my
license, that would have taught me.

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Subject: (orbital) Equinox?
Date: 07 Jul 1998 23:49:30 -0700


Hi, has anyone heard Equinox?  Is it a new track or just an older unreleased
one?  I was just wondering how their style has changed since The Saint.  I
really want to hear this song but I don't have the money to fork over for a
complete compilation just for the Orbital track.

Thanks,
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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) OT: World Cup 98
Date: 08 Jul 1998 16:28:10 +0200


I got the World Cup 98 CD-ROM yesterday and me & my brother 'tested' it for a
while.. and guess what I heard ? The soundtrack features Fluke's Absurd and
Boymerang's Soul Beat Runna (i really love that track and was really surprised
to find it on a such a commercial game). Now there's another tune I swear I
heard before, it has a specific vocal repeating "I just can't hold back" and I
can't remember the artist or the track name. Anybody ?

Croatia is playing tonight...I want U all to keep your fingers crossed (so we
can go and beat Brazil in the final)

Daniel
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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) OT: World Cup 98
Date: 08 Jul 1998 17:46:13 +0100


At 16:28 8/7/98 +0200, Daniel Kasaj wrote:
>
>I got the World Cup 98 CD-ROM yesterday and me & my brother 'tested' it for a
>while.. and guess what I heard ? The soundtrack features Fluke's Absurd and
>Boymerang's Soul Beat Runna (i really love that track and was really
surprised
>to find it on a such a commercial game). Now there's another tune I swear I
>heard before, it has a specific vocal repeating "I just can't hold back"
and I
>can't remember the artist or the track name. Anybody ?

Sounds like a Prodigy track, first album, or one of the b-sides from an
early single. 'Pandemonium' from the 'Charly' CD, I think.


At 23:49 7/7/98 -0700, Shaun D. Rader wrote:
>
>Hi, has anyone heard Equinox?  Is it a new track or just an older unreleased
>one?  I was just wondering how their style has changed since The Saint.  I
>really want to hear this song but I don't have the money to fork over for a
>complete compilation just for the Orbital track.

The prototype version of 'Times Fly', done for a Channel Four 'Equinox' on
rave culture.

cheers,
Jon

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Subject: Re: (orbital) HELP ME!!! I think I'm gonna go crazy....
Date: 08 Jul 1998 18:33:24 +0100


At 22:17 7/7/98 +0100, Henry Cooke wrote:
>
>Not strictly Orbital related, but if you can help me you can get the warm
>glow of knowing you were responsible for saving the sanity of a normally
>well-balanced young gentleman...anyway. There's a short track on some album
>in my collection which sounds a bit like the last track on Orbital 1- namely
>a looping piano part, but this one is slightly more complex and switches
>between a couple of loops. I've been searching for this track like crazy,
>but I can't find it and I just *know* I've got it somewhere. I seem to share
>musical tastes with a lot of people on this list, so *someone* must know
>what I'm talking about....please....?

Spooky's 'Found Sound' album has three or four of them, and one of the
tracks from their 'Shunt' ep is just a piano loop too.

cheers,
Jon

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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) OffTopic: good shops in Chicago?
Date: 08 Jul 1998 14:51:03 -0400 (EDT)



Hi,

If any on this list is from, or knows, the Chicago area -
I'd like to know where to find a good music shop. One that
specializes in electronic music, imports, vinyl, etc.
You know, the good stuff :)  Send me a private E-mail to
avoid more list spam ...

Thanks in advance -

    -Aronne


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Subject: Re: (orbital) HELP ME!!! I think I'm gonna go crazy....
Date: 08 Jul 1998 22:13:13 +0100


The one I was thiking of actually turned out to be  "88 Phat Ivory keys" on
Triphoprisy IV. Like you care. Thanks anyway people
Henry



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From: "Brandon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Video Imaging????<Non orbital>"unless they used it in a video"
Date: 08 Jul 1998 19:18:16 -0400


    Hey, anyone know those pictures that are look three dimensional??? Almost=
 like freeze frame, but at the same time, the camera moves around the=
 picture so it gets a three dimensional look to it.. Almost as though the=
 person is incased in lucite or something... If anyone knows what that is,=
 what it is called, or how to do it, I would really like to know....Thanx


Brandon

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From: Frederic Fournier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) OT: World Cup 98
Date: 08 Jul 1998 18:29:30 -0400 (EDT)


On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Jon Green wrote:

> >to find it on a such a commercial game). Now there's another tune I swear I
> >heard before, it has a specific vocal repeating "I just can't hold back"
> and I
> >can't remember the artist or the track name. Anybody ?
>
> Sounds like a Prodigy track, first album, or one of the b-sides from an
> early single. 'Pandemonium' from the 'Charly' CD, I think.

Well it's not on either of the three albums at least.


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From: Jason Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) des moines and other atrocities
Date: 08 Jul 1998 19:10:23 -0500


Warning: Off-topic & and an old message:

OMG!  My parents just moved to Des Moines yesterday!

I've only been there once -- two weeks ago..  and I was listening to my
collection of Orbital CDs the whole time I was there!  ..freaky..
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Nub wrote:
>
> > tax + s/h (if you want it).  Let me know soon.  Maybe someone in Des
> > Moines, IA will take it:)...that would be a dream come true, a Orbital
> > fan in my town except for me.  I think I keep Orbital alive in my town.
>
> hey! i'm from des moines! i had no idea there was another iowan on the
> list! wow... unfortunately, i've already got the box ep. where did you
> find it? in DES MOINES? where? i'm guessing either border's or best buy.
>
> sorry to clog everyone's e-mail boxes, but this is exciting - two iowans!
> wow.


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From: Jason Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Video Imaging????<Non orbital>"unless they used it in a video"
Date: 08 Jul 1998 19:23:59 -0500


I know what you're talking about, it was in Meat Beat Manifesto's
"Helter Skelter" video.  It's just 60 35mm cameras set in a circle
around (and pointing at) a central scene.  All the cameras take a
picture at EXACTLY the same time, and the separate images are converted
to frames in a movie/video..  And in Post-Production, they have to
remove the image if the other cameras -- it's and ugly set-up that
shouldn't be visible in a video. :)

It was also used in some Sting video..

Brandon wrote:
>
> Hey, anyone know those pictures that are look three dimensional??? Almost like freeze frame, but at the same time, the camera moves around the picture so it gets a three dimensional look to it.. Almost as though the person is incased in lucite or something... If anyone knows what that is, what it is called, or how to do it, I would really like to know....Thanx
>
> Brandon
> BRANDON
> AKAv tH +

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From: "Ryan Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) OT: World Cup 98
Date: 09 Jul 1998 01:32:33 -0600


> From: Frederic Fournier <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (orbital) OT: World Cup 98
> Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 4:29 PM

> > Sounds like a Prodigy track, first album, or one of the b-sides from an
> > early single. 'Pandemonium' from the 'Charly' CD, I think.
>
> Well it's not on either of the three albums at least.
>
> Derf

It's actually on the Fire/Jericho single.

Ryan
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From: Peter Lundholm <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(orbital) Video Imaging????<Non orbital>"unless they used it
Date: 09 Jul 1998 09:37:27 +0200


At 19.18 -0400 98-07-08, Brandon wrote:
>     Hey, anyone know those pictures that are look three dimensional???
>Almost like freeze frame, but at the same time, the camera moves around
>the picture so it gets a three dimensional look to it.. Almost as though
>the person is incased in lucite or something... If anyone knows what that
>is, what it is called, or how to do it, I would really like to
>know....Thanx
>


They can use several cameras that film the same thing (like 12 cameras in a
circle round the object) - that way you could pan on the same frame...

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From: Andy Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Golden Girls/Give Peace A Dance
Date: 09 Jul 1998 11:17:32 GMT


Hi

Just got the latest mail order catalogue from GEMA, a UK company.
There are a couple of things in their sale section which might
interest Orbitalheads. They have the Golden Girls 'Kinetic' single
for =A30.75 and the 'Give Peace A Dance Vol 3' Dbl CD which has a neat
segue of 'Open Mind' into the Pied Piper version of 'Kinetic' for
about =A34.

Visit Gema at http://www.demon.co.uk/gemarecords/ if you want more
info!

Cheers

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Where is Roger ? (Saint Video)
Date: 09 Jul 1998 07:23:21 +0100


>(and i never noticed roger moore in it)

If i remember right...its the middle screen and he walks to the post box
and posts a letter....one of his best acting roles IMHO ;)))))


Thanx

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) In Response to the Jon t-a-l-l-l-l-l-l story
Date: 09 Jul 1998 07:50:19 +0100


First id like to say this will be the only mail on this subject - i
couldnt agree more with the rest of the list by saying "the last thing I
want to read is an argument about that.".

Jon has tried to slate me here and on a few newsgroups....very stupid
and immature.

I could alter his emails and copy them here like he did with
mine....pointless. MY side of the story is i asked if Jon had a spare
Omen 12 inch remix.....Jon said he could sort it out.....but only if i
put some rare Orbital stuff on CDR after . I refused. But then a package
arrived. He had sent me 2 CDRs with Orbital remix stuff on it and said
theres your Omen remixes....mmmm....no it aint they are illegal CDR
copies of a legit Orbital release. Not what i wanted and not what i
asked for.

It went from a "you owe me cause i sent u this" - my reply - "i never
asked for CDRs!" to "can you put some of the new material on CDR for
me?" - my reply - "you are joking...right?".

Trading should be agreed up front....not changed after you sent the
wrong item. Also i dont agree with the bribe attempts he made. if you
dont do this...ill do that. I basically told him to fuck
himself....people know my views on official Orbital releases on CDRs and
i certainly wont be bribed. You only have to ask Aimee (when she comes
back) - she has a very similar view. Bootlegs are fine....official
releases - i wont do!

There is also another bad penny off the list that was acting alongside
as i got a few sad emails from him stating that he had a trade ready
with Jon for a CDR that Jon was asking me to do. Ive also told him what
my views are only to get a bad tempered reply...slating my
relationship/friendship with Orbital (why - i dont know). Im tempted to
write his name here but im not gonna stoop that low. If people want to
know then ill tell them in private.

And yes...i was going to send the CDRs back but after all the crap i got
from him....i certainly aint wasting a penny,cent,pound or dollar on
that wanka. Ill pass it on to someone for free....and they can decide if
they want to return them....any ideas ?

Overall ... Im glad i stuck with my principles and let Jon do what he
did.

Back to the list as it was....


Thanx

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: jon masciana <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) In Response to the Steve Price posting
Date: 09 Jul 1998 09:02:14 -0700


Hey Orbital-ites,

I'm very sorry for posting to this list again, i realize most of you don't
care and this is my last posting on the subject.

I cannot sit here and let Steve think he's actually saying something with
any truth in it. his story is utter bull, here's what he said in his mail
to the list:

>Omen 12 inch remix.....Jon said he could sort it out.....but only if i
>put some rare Orbital stuff on CDR after . I refused. But then a package

You'll see in the email below, I only wanted a tape of some orbital
remixes/tracks.

>arrived. He had sent me 2 CDRs with Orbital remix stuff on it and said
>theres your Omen remixes....mmmm....no it aint they are illegal CDR
>copies of a legit Orbital release. Not what i wanted and not what i
>asked for.

You'll see below that this is exactly what he asked for.

This is an email he sent to me on May 19th.

<<<


Jon,

Ok...i think i can do that. Let me know what live
stuff you have and ill suprise you with the tape
fillers!
My address is
STEVE PRICE
*******
*******
WALSALL
WS3 5XW
ENGLAND.

Btw the CD i need must have the Omen Remixes (The
Chariot,The Tower,Wheel of Fortune and The Fool ) on
it. The whole point of the trade is get a good
recording of the tracks after my 12 inch went scratch
mad! :)

Let me know either way....

Thanks

Steve
>>>>

Steve wrote this to you guys:

>It went from a "you owe me cause i sent u this" - my reply - "i never
>asked for CDRs!" to "can you put some of the new material on CDR for
>me?" - my reply - "you are joking...right?".

These replies never took place, and if they did, I would like to ask Steve
to prove it. Steve NEVER once told me that he did not want a cdr of the
Omen remixes. he had no problems with accepting it and no problems with
keeping it even though he has not fulfilled his side of the trade. I asked
him to send the cdr back, and he sent me a very nasty email about it. The
only purpose I have with this mail is to advise people not to deal with a
dishonest trader. I do not wish to start any controversy, I am just stating
the facts--that's it. It should be obvious by now that I know what I'm
talking about, and I'm not lying about anything.

Thanks

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From: Doris Hernandez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) In Response to the Steve Price posting -Reply
Date: 09 Jul 1998 11:53:44 -0500




>>> jon masciana <[e-mail]> 07/09/98 12:02pm >>>

Hey Orbital-ites,

I'm very sorry for posting to this list again, i realize most of you don't
care and this is my last posting on the subject.

I cannot sit here and let Steve think he's actually saying something with
any truth in it.


hello,

please, if you must, continue this issue privately. if protecting the
interests of the mail list was your goal, you've had your say and have
both soiled each other thoroughly; i don't think any further warnings are
necessary. i believe the issue has become "having the last word", and
left behind, the goal of warning of the list about the dangers of private
CD trading.

on a different note,  i heard a song last week where a man/woman/?
repeats the words "lula" over and over, and i'd like to find it. anyone hear
it? please respond privately if you'd like...

that's that.
dose



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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Prodigy Pandemonium
Date: 09 Jul 1998 18:05:42 +0100


At 01:32 9/7/98 -0600, Ryan Taylor wrote:
>
>> From: Frederic Fournier <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Subject: Re: (orbital) OT: World Cup 98
>> Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 4:29 PM
>
>> > Sounds like a Prodigy track, first album, or one of the b-sides from an
>> > early single. 'Pandemonium' from the 'Charly' CD, I think.
>>
>> Well it's not on either of the three albums at least.
>>
>> Derf
>
>It's actually on the Fire/Jericho single.

It isn't on mine. There's just two mixes of each of Fire and Jericho. Come
to think of it I may have seen an import with other tracks on, probably
including Pandemonium. Pandemonium also has a "drop the bass drop the bass
drop the bass now" sample, which may help identify it.

cheers,
Jon

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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Video Imaging????<Non orbital>"unles
Date: 09 Jul 1998 13:52:09 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> I know what you're talking about, it was in Meat Beat Manifesto's
> "Helter Skelter" video.  It's just 60 35mm cameras set in a circle
> around (and pointing at) a central scene.  All the cameras take a
> picture at EXACTLY the same time, and the separate images are converted
> to frames in a movie/video..  And in Post-Production, they have to
> remove the image if the other cameras -- it's and ugly set-up that
> shouldn't be visible in a video. :)
>
> It was also used in some Sting video..

    I've been wondering about that myself.. It was also done in the Bally Sagoo video for 'Dill Cheez', and one other I can't think of at the moment.

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From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: (orbital) In Response to the Steve Price posting
Date: 09 Jul 1998 11:51:52 -0500


> I am new to this list and frankly all of this crap about he did what
> to who and why makes me want to UNSUBSCRIBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Is this
> what is it all supposed to be about?  I think
> not.....................back to the band!
>
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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Where is Roger ? (Saint Video)
Date: 09 Jul 1998 13:56:45 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> >(and i never noticed roger moore in it)
>
> If i remember right...its the middle screen and he walks to the post box
> and posts a letter....one of his best acting roles IMHO ;)))))

    Agh. I guess I'll have to watch it again. Twist my arm-okay that's enough..

-Morey

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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Reviews (no orbital)
Date: 09 Jul 1998 14:14:48 -0400


I remember some of you talking about this a coupla weeks ago, so I
thought I'd pass this along. It's from this week's Entertainment Weekly.
I was kinda surprised to see it in there..

LOW owL remix Low (Vernon Yard)
MOGWAI Kicking a Dead Pig + Mogwai Fear Satan Remixes (Jetset)

Low and Mogwai make expansive rock with plenty of built-in space -
perfect territory for remixers. Moving from ambient drift to uneasy
trip-hop, owL's best cuts fix on Low's brooding melodies, like
Neotropic's dark looping and Tranquility Bass' unlikelly "party mix."
Per usual, Mogwai's two-CD set pits understated guitar figures against
peals of moise, u-ziq and Alex Empire get beat-crazy, but the idea is
rock mutation, not murder. When it works, it's visionary stuff.

Low: B+
Mogwai: A-


Reproduced exactly. Any typos or mis-spellings are theirs.

-Morey

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From: Eric Gardner <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) new movie
Date: 09 Jul 1998 12:36:16 -0700 (PDT)



I'm new and I'll start out with a question:  What song(s) of Orbital's
are going to be used for the new movie pi(sorry, can't use the
mathematical symbol)?

If you didn't know this, check out the movie's website:
www.pithemovie.com.

Other artists on the soundtrack include Banco de Gaia and Auteche.

Eric

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From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Prodigy Pandemonium
Date: 09 Jul 1998 17:46:49 -0700


> >It's actually on the Fire/Jericho single.
>
> It isn't on mine. There's just two mixes of each of Fire and Jericho. Come
> to think of it I may have seen an import with other tracks on, probably
> including Pandemonium. Pandemonium also has a "drop the bass drop the bass
> drop the bass now" sample, which may help identify it.


It's on mine- the cover says "Strangely Limited Edition"
whatever that means. Maybe it's not on the other versions,
mine is from the US (elektra 1992)

I really like that tune- it should have been on the album!
paul


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From: Sean Granger <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: (OT) Video Imaging????
Date: 10 Jul 1998 01:26:42 -0500


The only example I can think of this is in those GAP commercials.
There's three of them that I know of:

Khaki's Rock:
    It has skateboarders boarding to Crystal Method. It's the worst one in
my opinion.

Khaki's Swing:
    It has people standing in a half circle type thing and then 3 or more
couples dancing the jitterbug I think in the middle. It has some old
cool song. It's my favorite.

Khaki's Groove:
    It has lot's of different people dancing very weird and cool. The
background song kicks ass. 2nd favorite, still good.

The only one of the 3 that sucks is the "rock" one w/ Crystal
Method....it's a shame ;)
BUT.............Anyway...The Khaki's Swing commercial has that camera
effect....It's SOOOOO cool, it has the people like frozen mid-air and
then pans around them and continues dancing. Rad stuff.

Later,
Granger


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From: Trym Asserson <[e-mail]>
Date: 10 Jul 1998 19:00:34 +0100 (BST)


Even before I start reading the mail again on this account, I want to forward an apology to those I possibly offended a few nights ago with a certain statement concerning America and lawyers... even though it remains my opinion I was not going to vent it
like that and it was unfortunately just the result of a nightmare of a day at work and other bad news for both family and through e-mail.

So, sorry to anyone who's probably flamed me back now, but that remains to be read. The immaturity factor of my mails is going to be closer to zero from now on.

Trym

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Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: (OT) Video Imaging????
Date: 10 Jul 1998 14:38:27 EDT


Actually the song on the Gap Khakis Swing commercial is a remake of an old
song by some new band. The name escapes me but they play it on the radio
station here a lot and I think I may have flipped by them while they were on
Leno or Letterman. And that commercial is really cool - reminds me of
SWINGERS. Also, I was wondering if anyone wants to sell or trade any of there
Orbital stuff. If so, email me.

Also, I was wondering if anyone had any idea if any techno or besides techno,
other bands, were going to start releasing their music on Mini Disc, cause it
is cheaper and better than CD and I am not getting much use out of my Mini
Disc players right now. Later.
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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Prodigy Pandemonium
Date: 10 Jul 1998 20:02:55 +0100


At 17:31 9/7/98 -0600, Ryan Taylor wrote:

>Being in the UK..I have a feeling you have the UK single...

That's right.

>while I have the
>US single..The difference between the two only being that I have
>Pandemonium.  It's nice to know for once a US version has an
>exclusive/unreleased song..and the UK version doesn't...

Sorry to rain (or pour water in some other way) on your bonfire, but it's
on the Charly CD we got here, a year or more before we even got
Fire/Jericho. No exclusive tune I'm afraid. I often see these US imports
with extra tracks culled from previous singles I've already got.

Incidentally, does this sound like the track you were asking about, Daniel?

>Nothing against
>you..but it seems when techno/electronic/whatever artists release the same
>song as a single..the UK version either has more mixes or an unreleased
>song...My guess is since electronic music is bigger over there..they put
>more mixes on a single..

I don't know how that's going to change with the new, even more ridiculous
than the old ones, rules about what qualifies for the single chart. You're
right though, we do seem to fare pretty well over here, thanks to our
techno scene being so well established. I'm sure the rest of the world will
get there

and at 17:46 9/7/98 -0700, Dr. Killpatient wrote:

>It's on mine- the cover says "Strangely Limited Edition"
>whatever that means.

It was originally only available for two weeks here, which was their idea
of limited. Of course it's since been repressed here, and released all over
the world, and it still says 'strangely limited edition'. Strange in the
sense that it's not really limited any more.

>I really like that tune- it should have been on the album!

I thought it was pretty weak, the mix of Your Love on the Charly CD is
better. I just don't like the way the bits fit together.


cheers,
Jon

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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: (OT) Video Imaging????
Date: 10 Jul 1998 18:13:01 -0700


This remake you speak of is performed by the very crappy/annoying Brian
Setzer Orchestra.  As you may remember, Brian Setzer was one of the
members of the 80s crap band, The Stray Cats.

.MatthewFord.


[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Actually the song on the Gap Khakis Swing commercial is a remake of an old
> song by some new band. The name escapes me but they play it on the radio
> station here a lot and I think I may have flipped by them while they were on
> Leno or Letterman. And that commercial is really cool - reminds me of
> SWINGERS. Also, I was wondering if anyone wants to sell or trade any of there
> Orbital stuff. If so, email me.
>
> Also, I was wondering if anyone had any idea if any techno or besides techno,
> other bands, were going to start releasing their music on Mini Disc, cause it
> is cheaper and better than CD and I am not getting much use out of my Mini
> Disc players right now. Later.
> AJ


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From: Trym Asserson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Moby
Date: 11 Jul 1998 20:28:48 +0100 (BST)


Hah, I went to a Moby concert last night and was utterly let down.. I thought that guy had put his rock past behind him, but no-o-o-o, hardly any techno beats at all, most were covers of rock classics, so I felt a bit disappointed.

But still, they played nice percussions and the beats were cool in the few techno songs they actually played. So, he knows how to put on a show, but it wasn't a techno concert. ;)

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) ...Autechre tour dates...?
Date: 12 Jul 1998 00:13:17 EDT


Forgive me if I'm asking a painfully obvious question, but....
Where may the dates for Autechre's summer tour be found?

<this Autechre admirer greatly thanks you>

And at the risk of starting another non-Orbital thread:
Is anyone out there familiar with Afro Celt Sound System or other such bands
that blend electronic music with live ethnic instrumentation?  I almost want
to call it "Ethno" ...  thanks,

-Aaron
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From: [e-mail] (Brandon Invergo)
Subject: (orbital) prodigy experience
Date: 12 Jul 1998 00:35:23 EDT


hey, while everyone was talking about old prodigy stuff, i was reminded
of a question i've been meaning to ask.  in the booklet for The Prodigy's
"Experience" it says, "SPECIAL THANKS TO SIMONE FOR HER VOCALS ON RIP UP
THE SOUND SYSTEM, MUSIC REACH 1/2/3/4 AND RUFF IN THE JUNGLE BIZNESS"  i
was just wondering what the samhill "Rip Up the Sound System" is.  is it
a song on a different version of the album or something? or am i just
stupid and have a "strangely stupid edition?"

btw, i picked up ken ishii's "jelly tones." it's pretty good.  i know no
other way to describe it than this- some of it sounds like it would fit
on the Digital Empire compilation, and some of it sounds like it would
fit on the Northern Exposure II disks.  i don't know if that helped
describe it. does anyone elso know of music similar to this that is good?

    brandon (why does there have to be two brandons now?  I WAS THE
ORIGINAL. wow, sorry)

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From: "Blair Ferrara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) prodigy experience
Date: 12 Jul 1998 00:53:55 EDT


My booklet says the same thing but I never really thought about it until
now. I don't think there are different versions, it's probably just a
mistake. It is an actual song though, it's just not on the album.



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From: Brandon Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) prodigy
Date: 12 Jul 1998 13:20:21 -0400 (EDT)


>
> My booklet says the same thing but I never really thought about it until
> now. I don't think there are different versions, it's probably just a
> mistake. It is an actual song though, it's just not on the album.

it's not a mistake they just wanted to publicly thank simone for all she's
done and why not thank her on their second best album?


on another note there are THREE brandon's on this list.

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) prodigy
Date: 12 Jul 1998 20:52:15 EDT


The first best prodigy album had better be Jilted Generation, because if you
say Fat of the Land, I would be extremely let down. If techno is going to get
popular, I would really hope it isn't that album causing it. Even Chemical
Brothers who's first album was good got a grammy winning crappy second album.
If people can't accept Orbital, Orb, Moby, AFX or even the lesser known and
sometimes better artists, then that sucks. Also, could someone please help me:

Does anyone know any good Music Stores in DC? Thanks. Later.
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From: Jeff Bandy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) FAQ
Date: 12 Jul 1998 23:38:44 -0400


How exactly do you get the FAQ sent to you? All my mail archives were
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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Autechre
Date: 12 Jul 1998 20:55:15 -0700


**
They play Toronto on August 1st at a place called Ritual.  I plan on going, finally getting to see an act I want to...  I'm about three hours from TO and have no idea where this place is.  Does anyone know about it or where I could find out?
**

This party is Ritual 4: submission.. (www.techno.ca/ritual) richie hawtin's also there with a bunch of others.. no fuckin glowsticks allowed.. email me your address privately and i'll send you the little flier if you need one.. all I really know is that it's somewhere downtown n I can't go cuz I'm not 19.. fuck..

hullabaloo 7.. 10 october.. I'm there :) :)

Anybody heard anything about the world electronic music festival this weekend?? www.nkaos.com/destiny .... I wanna gooooooo...

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Subject: RE: (orbital) WOOHOO!!! TRALALERE TRALALERE!!
Date: 12 Jul 1998 20:59:49 -0700


Oh yeah... forgot to mention the info line for that party with autechre in toronto.. 416.760.3281 (sorry..out of it.. toooooo much time in a car today.. (I'm back))

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From: [e-mail] (Brandon Invergo)
Subject: Re: (orbital) OffTopic: good shops in Chicago?
Date: 13 Jul 1998 00:24:27 EDT


sorry this ones kinda late, i was in iowa for a week.  anyway, anyone
that responded to this, i was wondering if you could take the time to
send the names of some shops to me too.  sorry again for the lateness.


 On Wed,  8 Jul 1998 14:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Aronne J Merrelli
[e-mail]> writes:

>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >If any on this list is from, or knows, the Chicago area -
>> >I'd like to know where to find a good music shop. One that
>> >specializes in electronic music, imports, vinyl, etc.
>> >You know, the good stuff :)  Send me a private E-mail to
>> >avoid more list spam ...
>> >
>> >Thanks in advance -
>> >
>> >    -Aronne

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From: "(an ending) Ascent" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Video Imaging???
Date: 13 Jul 1998 01:22:15


>     Hey, anyone know those pictures that are look three dimensional???
Almost like >freeze frame, but at the same time, the camera moves around
the picture so it gets a three >dimensional look to it.. Almost as though
the person is incased in lucite or something... If >anyone knows what that
is, what it is called, or how to do it, I would really like to know....Thanx
>
>Brandon
>
someone else wrote:
>
>I know what you're talking about, it was in Meat Beat Manifesto's
>"Helter Skelter" video.  It's just 60 35mm cameras set in a circle
>around (and pointing at) a central scene.  All the cameras take a
>picture at EXACTLY the same time, and the separate images are converted
>to frames in a movie/video..  And in Post-Production, they have to
>remove the image if the other cameras -- it's and ugly set-up that
>shouldn't be visible in a video. :)
>
>It was also used in some Sting video..
>

Sorry about not remembering names, but from what I understand, you only
need two video cameras (or photo cameras).  You position them at the
beginning and ending points of the rotation.  Then, you take it through a
computer (some sort of video editing/3D rendering program) and it fills in
the rest.  I'm not sure about the MBM video, but I know that's what they
used in the Gap commercials and the Miller Light commercials.  Hope this
helps.


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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Moby
Date: 13 Jul 1998 13:00:42 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> Hah, I went to a Moby concert last night and was utterly let down.. I thought that guy had put his rock past behind him, but no-o-o-o, hardly any techno beats at all, most were covers of rock classics, so I felt a bit disappointed.
>
> But still, they played nice percussions and the beats were cool in the few techno songs they actually played. So, he knows how to put on a show, but it wasn't a techno concert. ;)

    Wow.. When I saw him last fall, he played all the classics. Before every song, he said "This is a disco song, too..."

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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) A coupla things
Date: 13 Jul 1998 13:11:37 -0400


    Wheee.....I finly found my copy of Ultramarine - Every Man and Woman
is a Star this weekend. It's been missing for over a year, and I had
utterly given up on ever seeing it again..
    Also, speaking of upcoming shows, on July 25 in Winston-Salem (i
guess this is only for you folks in the southeast US) is Beyond 8, with
Rabbit in the Moon, Mark Farina, and (oooohh.... ahhhhh....) A Guy
Called Gerald. Never thought I'd be getting a chance to see him anywhere
around here. If anyone (yeah, right) wants any more info, lemme know.

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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) mtv does it again
Date: 13 Jul 1998 22:48:56 +0200


how come they're all over Fatboy slim now ? they're pushing him
so hard it's disgusting. Go to MTV Website, click on music,
then AMP and then the start Amp 2.0 button.
It's pretty much the coolest thing I've ever seen on the Web
(a *great* animation programmed in Java, running while
a part of Fatboy's live act is playing in the background),
but why oh why do they have to ruin everything that's good ?
(Fatboy Slim's gonna get a lot of money though...I'll give em that)

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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) mtv does it again
Date: 13 Jul 1998 13:55:12 -0700


What difference does it make that Norman Cook is getting a lot of money
if hes getting it for putting out crap?  That song is absolutly horrible
and an obvious attempt at creating a pop hit.  I really like the first
few songs off the album (especially Santa Cruz, which Ive loved since
firt hearing it in 96), but Cook is lame now.  When I saw him live with
Crystal Meth (who also sucked live), his show was so bad that I was
happy that his record company paid my in cause I wouldve asked for my
money back.

.MatthewFord.


Daniel Kasaj wrote:
>
> how come they're all over Fatboy slim now ? they're pushing him
> so hard it's disgusting. Go to MTV Website, click on music,
> then AMP and then the start Amp 2.0 button.
> It's pretty much the coolest thing I've ever seen on the Web
> (a *great* animation programmed in Java, running while
> a part of Fatboy's live act is playing in the background),
> but why oh why do they have to ruin everything that's good ?
> (Fatboy Slim's gonna get a lot of money though...I'll give em that)
>
> Daniel


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From: Dave O'Connor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) mtv does it again
Date: 13 Jul 1998 17:05:11 -0400



>What difference does it make that Norman Cook is getting a lot of money
>if hes getting it for putting out crap?  That song is absolutly horrible
>and an obvious attempt at creating a pop hit.  I really like the first

I agree, I think that song is utter garbage.  Totally contrived for the MTV
electronica movement.  It's "bad press" for the rest of the electronic
music scene.

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From: "Shaun D. Rader" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) mtv does it again
Date: 13 Jul 1998 19:59:49 -0700


> What difference does it make that Norman Cook is getting a lot of money
> if hes getting it for putting out crap?  That song is absolutly horrible

I totally disagree.  I loved Fatboy Slim's _Better Living Through Chemistry_
and when I heard Rockafeller Skank I loved that as well.  I am VERY
surprised to see this song is making it big.  I played it around my friends
and they didn't like it at all (but they don't like electronic music).

I think it would be too repetitive for the mainstream.  Plus the stretched
out sample in the middle of the song seems very non-mainstream to me.  I
just think MTV and local radio stations have successfully shoved it down
everyone's throat but it doesn't mean it's crap.  Fatboy Slim uses samples
in a lot of his work and this is no exception...

> firt hearing it in 96), but Cook is lame now.  When I saw him live with
> Crystal Meth (who also sucked live), his show was so bad that I was

Crystal Method was damn good when I saw them in March and again last month.
I respect the fact that they don't rely on DAT tapes like many performers
do.  Fatboy Slim only spun records when I saw him with the Crystal Method...
and I'm not one to judge dj'ing skills.

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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) mtv does it again
Date: 14 Jul 1998 04:11:22 -0700




>
>> What difference does it make that Norman Cook is getting a lot of money
>> if hes getting it for putting out crap?  That song is absolutly horrible
>
>I totally disagree.  I loved Fatboy Slim's _Better Living Through
Chemistry_
>and when I heard Rockafeller Skank I loved that as well.  I am VERY
>surprised to see this song is making it big.  I played it around my friends
>and they didn't like it at all (but they don't like electronic music).


Too much negativity towards groups.  Quit slashing people because they are
maing money.  If you honestly dislike their music, then that's cool.  But
you sound as if you liked them when they were small, and you dislike them
now, only because everybody else is listening to it.  I personally like
Rockafeller Skank and that's the first Fatboy Slim Song that I've ever
heard.  And as for the Crystal Method live, From what I've seen on TV
(missed their concert here because it was at a club), the only fault with
their show, is that they play the songs exactly how they are on the cd.
They should at least change it a bit so the fans know they are getting a
show and not just a spinning disk.
my ramlbe for tonite.
peace
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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital questionaire time again | Last comment about the Jon story
Date: 12 Jul 1998 08:06:17 +0100


All,

Im seeing Paul and most likely Phil in a couple of weeks as im in London
on a course. Naturally ill be visiting ... but i may do some kind of
video interview/questionaire. If you would like to submit some questions
then please send them to [e-mail]. Try and make the questions
interesting and original - avoid Yes No answers.

Questions must be in before end of this week to qualify...Im afraid i
wont be able to ask all of them though...

Last thing about Jon: He has asked me to prove this bollox that he is
coming out with....i could easily type emails out here and even change
them to say he wanted to trade a banana for a lemon - its pointless -
you cant prove anything apart from that you are good a forging emails
(well done Jon!).
Ill say it again - most people will know about my trading and work just
by the people who got the Oscillate Cd / zines / live tapes etc. The
proof is in my work.

Dose - It wasnt a private CD trade (i did try to say this spanish btw -
but failed) ;)

Thats it.... 2 comments each - dead and buried


Thanx

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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital questionaire time again
Date: 14 Jul 1998 11:37:40 -0400 (EDT)


Excerpts from mail: 12-Jul-98 (orbital) Orbital questiona.. by
@capgemini.co.uk
> then please send them to [e-mail]. Try and make the questions


That should be 'rocketmail.com', correct? (I think you left out the 't')


    -Aronne


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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) massive attack/the verve in toronto? not anymore..
Date: 14 Jul 1998 10:05:01 -0700


Hey.. just checking concert listings for toronto.. I *was* gonna buy tickets to see massive attack with the verve (on 31 july in hamilton) back when they went on sale.. I'm glad I didn't because my money would have been wasted... massive attack isn't opening anymore.. anybody know why? I wonder who the replacement opening act will be.. more concert bad luck for me.. woke up today wondering when the tricky concert was cuz I knew it was around this time... it was fucking last night.. eugh..

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From: Ken Pittman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Daft Punk?
Date: 14 Jul 1998 13:16:27 -0400 (EDT)



Anyone know anything about the Daft Punk tour that is supposed to be coming
up soon? I can't even find out a date. I am in the U.S., and I understand
they are supposed to be in Canada in September, bu I have no idea where to
get tickets or anything. Can anyone help? Thanks!

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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) ultramarine
Date: 14 Jul 1998 14:05:47 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> hey Morey, I'd like some info on Ultramarine. I never heard them but
> I saw them in Sally's Photographic Memory booklet. I guess they
> hafta be good if they hung out with Orbital :-)

    Well, once again, they're one of those bands that sort of have their own
sound. It's some of the most organic sounding electronic music you'll hear,
very upbeat (as in happy), sort of mellow breakbeats. I read somewhere
(mixmag maybe?) that they are the ones that find a melody the a flowing
stream or the chirping of birds. I'm not sure that's exactly quite accurate,
but they are good at conjuring up the _feeling_ of those kind of sounds.
Picture the song from Sally's with a less driving beat. I dunno, check 'em
out.. I'm sure most (or all) people here who are familiar with them would
agree..

-Morey





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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) mtv does it again
Date: 14 Jul 1998 19:15:41 -0700


I honestly dislike the new Fatboy Slim song.  Not just cause its
intentionally geared for a pop audience, but because it is very
unimaginatative and repetitive.
The reason CM sucked live was because it was just a louder version of
the cd, as you stated.

.MatthewFord.

morpheus wrote:
>
> >
> >> What difference does it make that Norman Cook is getting a lot of money
> >> if hes getting it for putting out crap?  That song is absolutly horrible
> >
> >I totally disagree.  I loved Fatboy Slim's _Better Living Through
> Chemistry_
> >and when I heard Rockafeller Skank I loved that as well.  I am VERY
> >surprised to see this song is making it big.  I played it around my friends
> >and they didn't like it at all (but they don't like electronic music).
>
> Too much negativity towards groups.  Quit slashing people because they are
> maing money.  If you honestly dislike their music, then that's cool.  But
> you sound as if you liked them when they were small, and you dislike them
> now, only because everybody else is listening to it.  I personally like
> Rockafeller Skank and that's the first Fatboy Slim Song that I've ever
> heard.  And as for the Crystal Method live, From what I've seen on TV
> (missed their concert here because it was at a club), the only fault with
> their show, is that they play the songs exactly how they are on the cd.
> They should at least change it a bit so the fans know they are getting a
> show and not just a spinning disk.
> my ramlbe for tonite.
> peace
> morpheus


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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Pi Soundtrack
Date: 14 Jul 1998 23:08:42 -0700


I remember some folks talking about the soundtrack to this exquisite
looking film, so I decided to use my resources at work to get a
tracklisting.  This may be on the net already, but who cares?

Music From The Motion Picture of Pi(little pi symbol)

1. Clint Mansell-pi r2 [1.28]
2. Orbital- P.E.T.R.O.L. [6.21]
3. Autechre-Kalpol Intro [3.30]
4. Aphex Twin-Bucephalus Bouncing Ball [6.02]
5. Roni Size- Watching Windows (Ed Rush & Optical Mix) [6.35]
6. Massive Attack-Angel [6.09]
7. Clint Mansell-We Got Da Gun [4.52]
8. David Holmes No Man's Land [6.18]
9. Gus Gus-Anthem [4.51]
10. Banco De Gaia- Drippy [8.37]
11. Psilonaut-Slow Song [5.10]
12. Spacetime Continuum-A Low Frequency Inversion Field [6.57]
13. Clint Mansell 2pi r [3.05]


**GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE**

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Fat Boy Slim
Date: 15 Jul 1998 08:44:48 +0100


Leq wrote:
>(Fatboy Slim's gonna get a lot of money though...I'll give em that)

He is already loaded and been around in the music business (in one guise
or another) for donkey years. They are playing his stuff to death in
England ... i now hate his last track - thats what too much airplay does
to a tune. Goddamit

Cheers

Steve Loopz Price
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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Correct email address for Orbital questions
Date: 15 Jul 1998 08:46:54 +0100


> >then please send them to [e-mail]. Try and make the questions


>That should be 'rocketmail.com', correct? (I think you left out the 't')
>    -Aronne

Thanx Aronne - yep it should read [e-mail]. Send any
questions for Orbital there...get them in quick...time is running out

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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) mtv does it again
Date: 15 Jul 1998 13:24:51 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> I have dont have a huge problem with Better Living... I liked the first
> 4 tracks or so especially.  I just dont like the new single.  It just
> doesnt appeal to me.  Its kind of like Big Beat for the mass audience by
> numbers.

    It definitely is that. I'm certainly not saying it's a creative classic, or
anything like that.

> As for CM, I dont expect them to be intelligent or anything, I just
> thought that their live show here was utter crap.

    Actually, when I went to see them, I was there mainly to see BT, who was opening
for them. While his (extremely short) set was really good, they just put on a show.
It wasn't just the music, it was the vibe. The whole club was rocking, totally into
it. I'd say at least half the people there had no idea who they had come to see, and
it looked like every one of them was converted that night. The whole place was
bouncing.    I personally don't listen to CM _or_ Fatboy Slim very often at all (no
need when you can just turn on the tv anytime and hear busy child), but there is (at
least as far as I'm concerned) a time and a place for both..

-Morey





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From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) mtv does it again
Date: 15 Jul 1998 12:51:48 -0500


> I must say that CM can actually put on a good show.  I went and saw
> them about 2 months ago and honestly it was one of the best shows I
> have ever seen.  Their sound was incredible, lights show was superb,
> and they improvised alot (not sticking to exactly how the cd sounds)
> which someone else had commented that they thought they were no
> different than the cd.
>
> Different strokes for different folks i guess....................
>


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From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgRm91cm5pZXI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Bran Van 3000
Date: 15 Jul 1998 16:05:13 -0400


Gonna see Bran Van 3000 tonight in Quebec city, I'm really expecting
something good as these guys&gals are really doing a nice job of putting
good taste and an innovative technoish sound in "rock" music...

Oh well that's all I had to say about this, more comments tomorrow maybe...
:) Can't be too excited about a show when there's Autechre in two weeks, I
guess... :-)

Derf

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From: *Princess Serena* <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Josh Wink
Date: 15 Jul 1998 14:41:23 -0700


Hey,
    Did anyone else out there see the Josh Wink "siple man" video on
MTV's "12 Angry Viewers"??? Anybody have any thoughts about the video? I
think Josh is a quite talented guy and the "Are you there?" and
"Hypnotizin'" videos were *ExCelLeNt*! ...but simple man.... yuck. I
give him credit for being a bit creative, but the vocals were not too
wonderful... and the video was like watching a long MTV commercial.
Any thoughts?

(...and for GAP commercials... I say the gap is a conspiricy! eh, Want
*REAL* cargo pants? Then dont go searchin' in old navy and the gap!)

bye all!
=)


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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Josh Wink
Date: 15 Jul 1998 18:13:15 -0400 (EDT)


Excerpts from mail: 15-Jul-98 (orbital) Josh Wink by *Princess Serena*@pacbel
>         Did anyone else out there see the Josh Wink "siple man" video on
> MTV's "12 Angry Viewers"??? Anybody have any thoughts about the video? I
> think Josh is a quite talented guy and the "Are you there?" and
> "Hypnotizin'" videos were *ExCelLeNt*! ...but simple man.... yuck. I
> give him credit for being a bit creative, but the vocals were not too
> wonderful... and the video was like watching a long MTV commercial.
> Any thoughts?

Yea I agree, 'Simple Man' is very under par for Josh Wink -
I didn't see it on MTV, but I bought the single. Pretty much
sucks, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone - although if you are
big dnb fan there is a remix on it by Optical which is pretty
good :)


Regards,
    -Aronne


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From: "[halcyon]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) josh wink
Date: 15 Jul 1998 16:18:21 -0600


i'm not too fond of the song, but i think the video is pretty damn funny,
espically when mark loader comes on to mtv news and talks about the radio.

>    Did anyone else out there see the Josh Wink "siple man" video on
>MTV's "12 Angry Viewers"??? Anybody have any thoughts about the video? I
>think Josh is a quite talented guy and the "Are you there?" and
>"Hypnotizin'" videos were *ExCelLeNt*! ...but simple man.... yuck. I
>give him credit for being a bit creative, but the vocals were not too
>wonderful... and the video was like watching a long MTV commercial.
>Any thoughts?




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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Josh Wink
Date: 15 Jul 1998 18:04:34 -0700


Well, I didnt like this song, but the vid is fucking hilarious.  It
makes fun of the kids out there who follow every lame trend there is in
electronic music.
The only song by Wink that I like is Higher State.  Every song after
that is just a copy of that.


.MatthewFord.

*Princess Serena* wrote:
>
> Hey,
>         Did anyone else out there see the Josh Wink "siple man" video on
> MTV's "12 Angry Viewers"??? Anybody have any thoughts about the video? I
> think Josh is a quite talented guy and the "Are you there?" and
> "Hypnotizin'" videos were *ExCelLeNt*! ...but simple man.... yuck. I
> give him credit for being a bit creative, but the vocals were not too
> wonderful... and the video was like watching a long MTV commercial.
> Any thoughts?
>
> (...and for GAP commercials... I say the gap is a conspiricy! eh, Want
> *REAL* cargo pants? Then dont go searchin' in old navy and the gap!)
>
> bye all!
> =)


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From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgRm91cm5pZXI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Bran van 3000
Date: 16 Jul 1998 00:59:02 -0400


Wow. They just rock. I think they used to do 1st part for Massive Attack,
well, they deserve to be the whole show!

I won't go too far in describing... I'll just say this: If you get a chance
to see BV3k live, take it, they got the fucking right stuff to get a crowd
moving!

Derf who has *got* to get some sleep now - bye.

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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Suggestions
Date: 16 Jul 1998 01:54:35 -0700


Hey
Was at a rave this past weekend that had a wicked jungle room, and now I
want to get my hands on some good jungle cd's.  Can anyone suggest some good
artists or some good comps?
thanx

peace
morpheus


-the world can be a simple place if you want it to be-


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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Suggestions
Date: 16 Jul 1998 10:07:42 -0700


1.8.7.-When Worlds Collide
Various Artists-Rock & Roll:This Is Jungle Sky Vol. 5 (or any of the
ones before)
Various Artists-In Flux:Drum and Bass In Movement
Various Artists-Renagade Continuum
Alec Empire-Squeeze The Trigger
Christoph DeBabalon-If Youre Into It, Im Out Of It.

There are many more.

.MatthewFord.

morpheus wrote:
>
> Hey
> Was at a rave this past weekend that had a wicked jungle room, and now I
> want to get my hands on some good jungle cd's.  Can anyone suggest some good
> artists or some good comps?
> thanx
>
> peace
> morpheus
>
> -the world can be a simple place if you want it to be-


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From: Brian <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Video Imaging???
Date: 16 Jul 1998 13:12:15 -0400 (EDT)


>Sorry about not remembering names, but from what I understand, you only
>need two video cameras (or photo cameras).  You position them at the
>beginning and ending points of the rotation.  Then, you take it through a
>computer (some sort of video editing/3D rendering program) and it fills in
>the rest.  I'm not sure about the MBM video, but I know that's what they
>used in the Gap commercials and the Miller Light commercials.  Hope this
>helps.
It's also in the Lost In Space movie.  This camera trick has definitely
improved since the MBM video; there's some jumpiness in between the
individual camera images --not like in today's commercials.  I first
remember seeing this smoother version in the Lost In Space television
previews of the movie so I'm thinking the process was improved by the
film's special effects budget and then subsequently used in the other
commercials (kinda like how the liquid metal effect was used after they
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From: "Jason Crain" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: Message Bounce: Fw: (orbital) Suggestions
Date: 16 Jul 1998 13:35:33 -0400


 i havent heard a lot of jungle bands.  but from what i have heard, apollo
440 is one of the better bands.


>-----Original Message-----
>From: morpheus <[e-mail]>
>Hey
>Was at a rave this past weekend that had a wicked jungle room,   >and now I
want to get my hands on some good jungle cd's.  Can >anyone suggest some
good artists or some good comps?
>thanx
>
>peace
>morpheus
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From: Brian <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Josh Wink
Date: 16 Jul 1998 13:29:59 -0400 (EDT)


>The only song by Wink that I like is Higher State.  Every song after
>that is just a copy of that.
I agree, I haven't heard his latest CD, but most of his products don't
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) HellSpawn
Date: 16 Jul 1998 18:32:15 +0000


Seeings as 'The Spawn' OST has been mentioned a few times on here, I
thought that I'd mention a new CD thats coming out called Hellspawn.  This
will be a merging of Death Metal Bands with Digital Hard Core and Gabber
artists.  Fucking insane or what?
Personally, I can't wait.!!

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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) HellSpawn
Date: 16 Jul 1998 10:40:27 -0700


By Digital Hardcore Bands do you mean actually bands off the label DHR
or just soundalikes?  Do you have a tracklisting for it yet?

.MatthewFord.

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Seeings as 'The Spawn' OST has been mentioned a few times on here, I
> thought that I'd mention a new CD thats coming out called Hellspawn.  This
> will be a merging of Death Metal Bands with Digital Hard Core and Gabber
> artists.  Fucking insane or what?
> Personally, I can't wait.!!
>
> Frenchie


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) HellSpawn
Date: 16 Jul 1998 18:49:26 +0000


A bit of both, not yet seen the full track listing but just some of the
artists, names escape me for the moment ................
It was in last weeks Kerrang, so I see if I can get hold of it again and
let you know what the article says.....





"[e-mail]" <dxford
16/07/98 18:40


Please respond to [e-mail]

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or just soundalikes?  Do you have a tracklisting for it yet?

.MatthewFord.

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Seeings as 'The Spawn' OST has been mentioned a few times on here, I
> thought that I'd mention a new CD thats coming out called Hellspawn.
This
> will be a merging of Death Metal Bands with Digital Hard Core and Gabber
> artists.  Fucking insane or what?
> Personally, I can't wait.!!
>
> Frenchie





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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Josh Wink
Date: 16 Jul 1998 14:07:26 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> Well, I didnt like this song, but the vid is fucking hilarious.  It
> makes fun of the kids out there who follow every lame trend there is in
> electronic music.
> The only song by Wink that I like is Higher State.  Every song after
> that is just a copy of that.

    I'm with you on this one.. The song is _okay_ musically, but nothing
spectacular. For Josh wink, I think it rates pretty high. I've never been even
remotely impressed with his songwriting skills. Higher State is a fun slice of
acid insanity, but songs like 'are you there' and 'don't laugh' are just
ridiculous. The video for Simple Man was pretty amusing, though..

-Morey





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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Suggestions
Date: 16 Jul 1998 14:38:40 -0400


[e-mail] wrote:

> Hey
> Was at a rave this past weekend that had a wicked jungle room, and now I
> want to get my hands on some good jungle cd's.  Can anyone suggest some good
> artists or some good comps?

    What kind of jungle was it? Dark, hard, jazzy? I can give you tons of
suggestions if you can narrow it down a bit.. here's a few:

Artists:

Roni Size/Reprazent - New Forms - maybe the best drum & bass album ever.
jazz/hip-hop/r&b/jungle fusion.
Photek - Modus Operandi - minimal, sparse, pretty dark, some of the most
impressive drum programming you'll hear.
Boymerang - Balance of the Force - closer to photek than anything else, but with
more emotion.
Spring Heel Jack - 68 Million Shades - unlike anything else, lots off
jazz/classical samples/sounds, very interesting.
Adam F - Colours - some jazzy, some dark, some both. not the best as a whole,
but it has a coupla amazing songs.
Alex Reece - So Far - Jazz-step distilled down to it's essence. a little cheesy
at times, but again, has some classics.
Goldie - Timeless - It's the one everybody knows - Some of it's crap, some of
it's brilliant. (seems to be a trend in jungle)
John B - Visions - I just got this one, and it's pretty groovy. 2 disks
(Synthetic and Organic)

Compilations:

Logical Progression  - LTJ Bukem & Co. - chilled out classics, one disc mixed,
one unmixed. Get vol. 1 &2. (3 is out but i won't get to hear it until later
this afternoon when i go by FedEx to pick mine up) (ltj bukem, blame, pfm,
peshay, intense(
Torque - No U-Turn - Dark, scary, hard, you name it. Tech-Step galore. (ed rush,
nico, dj trace)
Platinum Breaks - Metalheadz - Vol 1 is nothing but classics. It has alex reece,
photek, goldie, adam f. Vol. 2 is much the same, but is more of the new
metalheadz crowd (source direct, lemon d, dillinja)
V Classic - dark and jazzy. (roni size, dj krust, dillinja, goldie, scorpio, and
more) (2 volumes, the best songs on both volumes are by dj krust)
Music Box - early incarnation of the reprazent crew - dj krust, roni size, dj
die, dj suv, bill riley, scorpio. chilled out, jazzy, pretty minimal.

Wow..I put a lot more into that than I had planned to... If you want any more
info, just lemme know..

-Morey





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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Fat Boy Cook
Date: 16 Jul 1998 12:41:02 +0100


Well,
        Although none of you probably care about my opinion, I always
have thought that Cook produced great commercial dance. When I first
heard it, I loved the renegade master remix - really unintelligent, well
produced big beat / house .
        I thought he played a pretty good DJ set at Glastonbury, and
althought the crowd was well up for it anyway, the place was certainly
lively. I had a good time. I think it would be fair to say that everyone
else did as well. Nuff said.
--
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From: KELL SIMON <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) nonorbitalfreezonecompilations
Date: 16 Jul 1998 16:15:09 -0400


is anyone familiar with the freezone compilations?  a friend sent part of
one to me on a tape (freezone 3) and it's really good.  who puts these
out, and how many are there?  how do they compare to #3?
k


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From: Dave O'Connor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Suggestions
Date: 16 Jul 1998 17:58:34 -0400



>Was at a rave this past weekend that had a wicked jungle room, and now I
>want to get my hands on some good jungle cd's.  Can anyone suggest some=
 good
>artists or some good comps?

Oooooohhhh yes!

Anything from Liquid sky Records is GOOD try...

This is Jungle Sky 1: Excellent, not the "scary" more "drum n'bass" Jungle,
but more samples and voices.  The best Jungle CD I own.

This is Jungle Sky II: Pretty good, a little more "drum n'bass" than
Jungle.  Still lots of samples though

I (heart) NY Jungle: Okay but I wouldn't recomend it that much.

This is Jungle Sky IV: Very good, some samles some more "drum n'bass"
stuff.  Ali Rocks is a very cool blend of Citar and jungle.

This is Jungle Sky V:  VERY good drum n'bass.  Not as many samples,
concentrates more of the drums.  The 1.8.7 tracks and the stuff from
Soulslinger is good

Yellow Note: We are not the beatles:  It should be easy to find this one
and it's pretty good.  Drum n'bass with a hinmt of some ambient influence.

1.8.7 when worlds collide: Don't have it yet but it's on the way!

DJ Soulslinger: Don't believe: Very good Album...

DJ Soulslinger: The Abducted Remixes:  VERY good if you can find it.

That's all Liquid Sky stuff.  If you have trouble finding it, or want some
more info, or what the cases look like go to http://www.forcedexposure.com
and search for label "Jungle Sky".

Other than that stuff, try, I think it's called "Jungle: The Sound of the
Underground".  Good comp...some stuff from Jungle Sky 1.  You might also
check out any T-Power albums you can find.  He's on JS a lot...I don't have
any albums but I am ordering one that I found.

If you want more I can look through my collection and see what else I have.
 Jungle Sky is a personal favorite in case you can't tell!  =3D]




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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) nonorbitalfreezonecompilations
Date: 16 Jul 1998 17:09:13 -0700


I LOVE these compilations.  They are put out by a Belgium label called
Crammed/SSR (http://www.crammed.be).  I have most of them and #5 comes
out this month.


.MatthewFord.

KELL SIMON wrote:
>
> is anyone familiar with the freezone compilations?  a friend sent part of
> one to me on a tape (freezone 3) and it's really good.  who puts these
> out, and how many are there?  how do they compare to #3?
> k


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From: Digger <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Cool Orbital Stuff
Date: 16 Jul 1998 23:21:14 -0500


Hola all,

    Hey....if anyone happens to have any cool/rare pictures of orbital....or
just stuff you think is cool in general....and you don't mind sharin'
it....please send it along to me.  [e-mail] .

    If you have any sound bites....ANYTHING send it to me....  Thanks :-)

Thanks a bunch!!

(There's somethin' cool in the works)

Thanks,
    Digger
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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Underworld Video Compilation.
Date: 17 Jul 1998 11:28:53 -0700


On tuesday, Wax Trax!/TVT records will release Underworld - Videos
1993-97 [subtitled as : Footwear Repairs By Craftsmen at Competitive
Prices]
SRP:$19.95
It will be an 80min long compilation of all of their videos from 93-97
including the most recent one, Moaner.

**GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.**
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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Suggestions
Date: 17 Jul 1998 14:28:51 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> >    What kind of jungle was it? Dark, hard, jazzy? I can give you tons of
> >suggestions if you can narrow it down a bit.. here's a few:
>
> Well, thanx for such an informative reply.  I already got Goldie's Timeless,
> but that's more DnB.  I mean stuff with an insane break with tons of bass,
> sort of dark sounding like Photek, but not so random.  More order to the
> trak.  Also, some recommendations on some jazzy stuff would be cool too.
> thanx a million
> peace
> morpheus

    Hmm, for the insane breaks and dark sounding, I'd say go with the no u-turn
stuff. The Torque compilation, and anything by Ed Rush, Fierce, Nico, or DJ
Trace. Hmm, also try the 'Aphrodite Recordings' mix CD. You can get all this
stuff at Breakbeat Science (www.breakbeatscience.com) For Jazzy stuff, look for
EZ Rollers (probably vinyl only) and check out V Classic volume 1 (Hell, there's
a song on there called 'It's Jazzy', and another one called 'It's a Jazz
Thing'..)

    Another place you (and everyone else) might be interested in checking out is
'www.cductive.com'. They have a pretty nice selection of dance music, carefully
categorized and available for purchase on a song by song basis. You pick the
songs and they make the CD for you. They have RealAudio samples of everything
they have available. The prices are $4.99 for the first song, and $1.00 a song
after that, plus they have 8-10 'free' songs in each style that you don't even
have to pay for.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Underworld Video Compilation.
Date: 17 Jul 1998 19:43:02 +0000


Fuck !!!!
I didn't even realise they had done that many promo vids.  Don't suppose
you could list the tracks could ya?

Frenchie




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cc:    (bcc: Paul French/UK/PSYGNOSIS)





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1993-97 [subtitled as : Footwear Repairs By Craftsmen at Competitive
Prices]
SRP:$19.95
It will be an 80min long compilation of all of their videos from 93-97
including the most recent one, Moaner.

**GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.**
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Event Horizon/Autechre
Date: 17 Jul 1998 14:59:09 EDT


Hello Orbital Heads.
I'm a long time Orbital fan, but a much newer list-serve guy.  Can anyone tell
me about the Event Horizon soundtrack?  Is it completely written by the
Orbital boys or were any other writers/producers involved?  Are the tracks
short bits or long songs?

Also, I see lots of hype about Autechre and Rabbit in the Moon...but I know
nothing of them.  Are they comparable to the brilliant sound of Orbital?
Thanks much for any help.
Brian


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From: Ken Pittman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Event Horizon/Autechre
Date: 17 Jul 1998 15:13:32 -0400 (EDT)


>
>
> Hello Orbital Heads.
> I'm a long time Orbital fan, but a much newer list-serve guy.  Can anyone tell
> me about the Event Horizon soundtrack?  Is it completely written by the
> Orbital boys or were any other writers/producers involved?  Are the tracks
> short bits or long songs?

 The Event Horizon soundtrack was done by Orbital working with Michael Kamen.
 Kamen has done soundtracks on dozens of movies. The EH soundtrack is a bit
 strange, their are only 4 tranks on the CD, but they are all long, and
 contain the 'chapters' of the movie. There were only a few tracks that sound
 definatly like Orbital, and the sound is very dark, much like the movie, but
 all in all, it was a worthy purchase.

> Also, I see lots of hype about Autechre and Rabbit in the Moon...but I know
> nothing of them.  Are they comparable to the brilliant sound of Orbital?
> Thanks much for any help.
> Brian

 Autechre is another one of my favorites, but I still think Orbital is much
 better. Rabbit in the Moon I have heard very little from, I only have a
 couple of remix tracks from them on compilation CD's, but what I have heard
 is pretty cool.

Ken Pittman


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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) massive attack
Date: 17 Jul 1998 18:26:20 -0400 (EDT)


Excerpts from mail: 16-Jul-98 Re: (orbital) massive attack by [e-mail]
>  PS: What is massive attack like anyway? Very drum'n'bass?? Don't forget
> how new I am...


They are not d'n'b at all... usually their style is called trip hop.
It's (very) loosely a combination of hip hop and more electronic styles.
Their lastest (Mezzanine) had a lot of rock/pop (?) influence in it too.
Well, maybe not rock but whatever it was I really didn't like the album.
Not enough hip hop and electronic styles in it, IMHO. At least not
enough for me to like it :)



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From: "Wouter Hermans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) went shoppin
Date: 18 Jul 1998 05:13:50 +0200


hi

i was browsin through hundreds of 12" in a djshop yesterday, searching for
some underworld stuff to spin, until i found not one, but two 12"es of
orbital "are we here"...  are these rare?  i got mine... if anyone else
wants the other, i'm happy to get it for you... 15US$ if i'm correct
(shipping not included)...

the tracks ("who are they", "do they here" and "they did it") are awesome :)

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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) d'n'b stuff
Date: 19 Jul 1998 16:23:50 +0200


Does anyone have the Moving Shadow 98.1 or any E-Z
Rollers stuff and would like to trade mp3s ? I'd really love
to hear MS98.1 (especially the Flytronix tracks).

mail me privately

np: aphrodite - sweet mind

Daniel
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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Autechre new album
Date: 19 Jul 1998 21:45:32 +0100


    All,

    I should have posted this last week - but here goes.

    Latest Autechre Album - Awesome - Buy it!

    That simple ;)


Thanx

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: Dave O'Connor <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) 1.8.7
Date: 19 Jul 1998 23:51:24 -0400


Just wanted to recomend 1.8.7 "When worlds collide" for an excellent Jungle
album.  Defcon 1 was on AMP I think...not sure.  But I would have to say
Defcon 1 is the best Jungle track I have ever heard.  It's a little
repedetive, but it's got a good "mood" and is just generally very cool.
The rest of the album is awesome as well.  One song even has some 303 in it
(303 in a Jungle song?!).  There's lots of good dark/fast DnB/Jungle and
then some Jazzy/Ambient influenced tracks.  All in All I would have to say
it's one of Jungle Sky's best releases.

Later
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From: Andy Toth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) 1.8.7. in pittsburgh on 24 JUL
Date: 20 Jul 1998 00:21:32 -0500


while we're on the subject of 1.8.7.....she'll be performing at an event
(rave) in pittsburgh that i am helping to promote.  hope this helps you
insane fans!

for information: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/8603
[e-mail]
infoline 412-734-8334

doorcharge will be $10

LINEUP [MAIN ROOM]
Instigator
Original Bubbles
D.Cypol
1.8.7.
Marcus
Gabbergirl
Pimp Daddy
Product 19

LINEUP [SECONDARY ROOM]
Craig K
Circuit 6
Ed Umm
Optic
Fishhead
Aneurysm
Wolverine
Da Mofo
Andrew
MSKW1
Futurism

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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 1.8.7
Date: 19 Jul 1998 23:03:28 -0700


I bought this album a while back after seeing "we are not alone" on AMP.
Has anyone read the article in the newest issue of Mixmag US about how
Joe LaSesne is in the process of changing him self into a women?
Interesting indeed.

.MatthewFord.

Dave O'Connor wrote:
>
> Just wanted to recomend 1.8.7 "When worlds collide" for an excellent Jungle
> album.  Defcon 1 was on AMP I think...not sure.  But I would have to say
> Defcon 1 is the best Jungle track I have ever heard.  It's a little
> repedetive, but it's got a good "mood" and is just generally very cool.
> The rest of the album is awesome as well.  One song even has some 303 in it
> (303 in a Jungle song?!).  There's lots of good dark/fast DnB/Jungle and
> then some Jazzy/Ambient influenced tracks.  All in All I would have to say
> it's one of Jungle Sky's best releases.
>
> Later
> ------------------------------------------------
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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Being a pest
Date: 20 Jul 1998 00:05:22 -0700


Hey

Delete now if uninterested in giving advice on Dj gear.

Hate to be a pest, but I need advice on DJ gear again.  I know that I should
be buying Technics, but I can't afford it.  So I have found some cheaper
stuff.  Is Gemini decent stuff?  How about their PMX 3500 4 channel mixer or
their 676 pro scratch mixer with sampler?  And also, what should I look for
in features from mixers and turntables.
thanx greatly for any advice.

peace
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From: "Wouter Hermans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Being a pest
Date: 20 Jul 1998 13:50:29 +0200


>Thanx for the info.  Finally something solid that I can use.  What I meaned
>though about what I should look for is features though.  For instance, how
>many channels, inputs, effects, beat synchronizer, etc.

ok, i have the gemini 1998 catalogue here (you can find all gemini stuff
also on www.geminidj.com).  let's see, i talked with a dj about the gemini
PS-646 PRO mixer, and he liked what it featured:

10" (techno) stereo rack mixer
4 channels. 3 phono, 6 line and 2 mic inputs.  true cut feature (-26dB) for
bass, mid and high of each channel to create unusual special effects.
recessed removable crossfader.  beat sync indicators.  dj mic Neutric combo
1/4" or xlr jack.  gain controls for each channel.  talkover. balanced and
unbalanced master outputs.  dj booth output.  dual mode display.  cue
section.  cue split.

it looks like a small one, but the specs are quite nice...  the 676 is
pretty the same, only features only 3 channels, but a 12 second sampler...
but you don't need a sampler on your mixer...  you'll better of with 4
channels for 2 phono, a cd and a separate sampler.  dedicated samplers
perform better than built-in...

i could type over the whole mixer catalogue, but that would be useless...
just go to www.geminidj.com

> I'm totally new at
>this and am very hungry for info.  I want to have a good knowledge of what
>to get before buying.

well, i'm "new" at this too... i don't have turntables or a mixer, i'm just
making my choice and getting information before i go shopping...

>  I found a pair of technics 1200 turntables used for
>$1300 cdn, but I think that is way too much.  I am considering getting
>newmark turntables, and still have no idea on what to get for a decent
>mixer.


never heard about newmark...  only turntables that have name&fame i know are
vestax, technics and gemini... there are other brands too, but these make up
the main part of what i saw...

i would say anything below 350-400US$ for 1 technics 1200 is good... the new
price is over 450US$

there are more mixer than turntable brands it seems :)  you should also
check out www.numark.com (they have state-of-the-art mixers, only they look
buttugly ;)  and www.intimidator.com if i'm correct...  uk based mixers,
with lots of cool features...

but imho you're better of with two 1200's and a "simple" mixers with enough
of channels...  that way you can practice at home, and get used to 1200's
that are used in many clubs if you will play in them when you are good
enough...  and about the mixer...  the sampler feature is up to you...

... and yes it costs too much money :)

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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: Autechre new album
Date: 20 Jul 1998 10:51:12 -0400 (EDT)


Excerpts from mail: 19-Jul-98 (orbital) Autechre new album by @capgemini.co.uk
>         All,
>
>         I should have posted this last week - but here goes.
>
>         Latest Autechre Album - Awesome - Buy it!
>
>         That simple ;)


Heheh... well I am listening to it right now, so here is my $.02:

It is a good album, but honestly I am a bit dissappointed;
Partly because my expectations were so damn high :) , and also
there are a few too many tracks in the 'Chicilisuite' style.
IOW, a little too much noise and a little too much randomness.
That was my least favorite Autechre release so far and I am
a little dissappointed because I like their other styles a
lot better.
BUT, it is still a good album and worth buying (although maybe
not for the $28 I had to pay for it... stupid record shop :) )

So what does everyone else think of it??


Regards,
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From: ajl <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) dn'b/ae
Date: 20 Jul 1998 04:05:05 -0500


i'm disappointed in you guys... all these recommendations for drum n' bass,
but not *one* mention of "Plug - Drum n' Bass For Papa" ??  C'mon!!
Brilliant... it's even got a US domestic release w/ a bonus cd.

oh, and autechre... in a league of their own.  uncomparable.  almost all of
their own releases uncomparable.  you haven't heard Ae unless you've heard
everything!  can't be judged by any one release.  Oh, and if you're keen
enough, seek out their Gescom alias...wow.

rabbit in the moon??? who? ;)
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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) are we here - they did it
Date: 20 Jul 1998 12:06:16 +0100


>the tracks ("who are they", "do they here" and "they did it") are
>awesome

        After "They did it" there are two names listed after an asterix
- "Neil McLelland and Gareth Jones". Any hints to what this meant?

        I am pretty sure that they didn't remix it or produce it - "All
tracks written and produced by P&P Hartnoll"

There is no other mention of these blokes on the CD. Hmmm. How strange.
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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) autechre in toronto.
Date: 20 Jul 1998 13:11:32 -0400 (EDT)



Hi,

Does anyone have any more (better) info about the
autechre show in Toronto Aug. 1? I know of the info
line and the webpage, but neither says where it is!
Does Ritual have a normal venue for events, so they
just assume you know where it is? I'd really like to go,
but I would like to know where I am going first, Toronto
is not that small :)


Thanks in advance,
    -Aronne


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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) this and that
Date: 20 Jul 1998 18:56:39 +0100


At 00:35 12/07/98 EDT, Brandon Invergo wrote:
>
>was just wondering what the samhill "Rip Up the Sound System" is.

It was one of the 'other tracks' (calling them b-sides doesn't seem right
these days) on the Everybody in the Place 12"/CD, but not on the re-issued
CD here in the UK. So don't complain if yours hasn't got it, mine has.

At 19:59 13/07/98 -0700, Shaun D. Rader wrote:
>Iwhen I heard Rockafeller Skank I loved that
>I think it would be too repetitive for the mainstream.  Plus the stretched
>out sample in the middle of the song seems very non-mainstream to me.

Timestretched samples seem to have taken over, especially in sp**d g*r*ge,
but I've never heard the whole track stretched like that, only ever bits of
a track. I find all Fatboy Slim's stuff sounds good the first time, but
five listens is about the limit, except for Santa Cruz, as I think someone
else said.

At 13:35 16/07/98 -0400, Jason Crain wrote:
>
> i havent heard a lot of jungle bands.  but from what i have heard, apollo
>440 is one of the better bands.

I've always thought Apollo 440 sound like they haven't a clue what they're
doing, they just copy other people. Fluke can be a bit like that too, but
they do it nmuch better. Maybe it's just me.


At 14:38 16/07/98 -0400, Morey Gamble wrote:
>
>Adam F - Colours - some jazzy, some dark, some both. not the best as a whole,
>but it has a coupla amazing songs.

I heard his last single and thought it was very weak. But then I do prefer
the harder stuff.

>Torque - No U-Turn - Dark, scary, hard, you name it. Tech-Step galore. (ed
rush,
>nico, dj trace)

The best jungle album, I reckon. Who cares if it all sounds nearly the
same, it's awesome!

Also recommended is Grooverider's 'The Prototype Years' compilation, very
nearly as good as Torque.


At 21:45 19/7/98 +0100, Price, Steve A wrote:
>
>    All,
>
>    I should have posted this last week - but here goes.
>
>    Latest Autechre Album - Awesome - Buy it!
>
>    That simple ;)

Amen to that! Best thing I've heard this year. Autechre are pushing the
boundaries more than anyone else at the moment, I reckon. The attention to
detail in this album is incredible. We can only hope Orbital, Underworld
and Leftfield match it, and then this'll be the greatest year ever.
Assuming, of course, they all get their fingers out and finish their albums
this year.


cheers,
Jon

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) are we here - they did it
Date: 20 Jul 1998 19:03:55 +0100


At 12:06 20/7/98 +0100, Tim wrote:
>
>>the tracks ("who are they", "do they here" and "they did it") are
>>awesome
>
>        After "They did it" there are two names listed after an asterix
>- "Neil McLelland and Gareth Jones". Any hints to what this meant?
>
>        I am pretty sure that they didn't remix it or produce it - "All
>tracks written and produced by P&P Hartnoll"

That wouldn't exclude them as remixers though, would it? It fits well with
Neil McClellan's other stuff I've heard, so i always thought they were the
remixers. 'They' in the title being Neil McLelland and Gareth Jones, and
'did it' meaning remixed it.
Does anyone know if it's the same Gareth Jones who used to call himself Gaz
Top?

cheers,
Jon

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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) this and that
Date: 20 Jul 1998 14:09:02 -0400 (EDT)


Excerpts from mail: 20-Jul-98 Re: (orbital) this and that by Jon
[e-mail]
> >
> > i havent heard a lot of jungle bands.  but from what i have heard, apollo
> >440 is one of the better bands.
>
> I've always thought Apollo 440 sound like they haven't a clue what they're
> doing, they just copy other people. Fluke can be a bit like that too, but
> they do it nmuch better. Maybe it's just me.


No, I don't think its you, I've never heard anything good
about them (at least from people who listen to d'n'b.)


Excerpts from mail: 20-Jul-98 Re: (orbital) this and that by Jon
[e-mail]
>>
>>Adam F - Colours - some jazzy, some dark, some both. not the best as a
>>whole, but it has a coupla amazing songs.
>
>I heard his last single and thought it was very weak. But then I do prefer
>the harder stuff.

Yeah, I would recommend listening to Adam F first. I heard a couple
songs from his LP 'Colours'; and aside from 'Metropolis', which is
good tune, the others sounded much too repetitve to me. I have a couple
tracks by Adam F (on the artcore series) - 'F Jam' and 'Circles', and
I heard all the same samples over again. I guess Photek can get away
with it, but I don't think Adam F can :) Its probably just my taste,
but anyway I recommend listening to this one first...

>
>>Torque - No U-Turn - Dark, scary, hard, you name it. Tech-Step galore. (ed
>rush,
>>nico, dj trace)
>
>The best jungle album, I reckon. Who cares if it all sounds nearly the
>same, it's awesome!
>
>Also recommended is Grooverider's 'The Prototype Years' compilation, very
>nearly as good as Torque.


Oh yeah, I second that. It has one crap song on it (the second one
by Grooverider with that annoying sample "I've got soooo much love"..
blah.  But the other tracks on there are incredible.. Right now I'm
partial to 'City Lights' by Lemon D. very nice :)


Regards,
    -Aronne


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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Autechre new album
Date: 20 Jul 1998 20:11:28 +0100


Ermm....where....here it is
Whats it called...its untitled...just Autechre on front and AE on back
(or vica versa)
Why - Because we need some mad noise in our life at the moment.
When - It was release a week ago last monday
What for - to gain even more respect ...
Who - Autechre
Why these questions - it passes the time of day.

Go BUY it! - Autechre - LP5


Thanx

Steve LOOPZ Price
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>From:     Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson[SMTP:[e-mail]]
>Sent:     Sunday, July 19, 1998 8:01 PM
>To:     Price, Steve A
>Subject:     Re: (orbital) Autechre new album
>
>>    I should have posted this last week - but here goes.
>>
>>    Latest Autechre Album - Awesome - Buy it!
>>
>>    That simple ;)
>where? what's it called? why? when? what for? who? why these questions?
>autechre! I WANT THEM! #"$%$"#%
>:)
>
>incidentally, has anyone heard/seen Banco de Gaia's 3cd version of Last
>Train to Lhasa?
>


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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Autechre new album
Date: 20 Jul 1998 12:19:37 -0700


I WILL I WILL!!

.MatthewFord.

Price, Steve A wrote:
>
> Ermm....where....here it is
> Whats it called...its untitled...just Autechre on front and AE on back
> (or vica versa)
> Why - Because we need some mad noise in our life at the moment.
> When - It was release a week ago last monday
> What for - to gain even more respect ...
> Who - Autechre
> Why these questions - it passes the time of day.
>
> Go BUY it! - Autechre - LP5
>
> Thanx
>
> Steve LOOPZ Price
> Orbital Zine
> http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa (UK - Case sensitive)
> http://www.hyperreal.org/loopz (US Mirror)
> http://www.hyperreal.org/music/artists/orbital (US Mirror)
>
> Loopz Membership - Send Mail to [e-mail] - Subject MAILING.
> Current number on Loopz list -  196 Mad orbital heads!
>
> >----------
> >From:  Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson[SMTP:[e-mail]]
> >Sent:  Sunday, July 19, 1998 8:01 PM
> >To:    Price, Steve A
> >Subject:       Re: (orbital) Autechre new album
> >
> >>      I should have posted this last week - but here goes.
> >>
> >>      Latest Autechre Album - Awesome - Buy it!
> >>
> >>      That simple ;)
> >where? what's it called? why? when? what for? who? why these questions?
> >autechre! I WANT THEM! #"$%$"#%
> >:)
> >
> >incidentally, has anyone heard/seen Banco de Gaia's 3cd version of Last
> >Train to Lhasa?
> >


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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 1.8.7
Date: 20 Jul 1998 15:56:57 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> I bought this album a while back after seeing "we are not alone" on AMP.
> Has anyone read the article in the newest issue of Mixmag US about how
> Joe LaSesne is in the process of changing him self into a women?
> Interesting indeed.

    I didn't read about it in Mixmag, but I more or less know the story. I think
he's just completed the full year of living as a woman that is required here
before you can have the proper surgery.. On a related note, I'm told the 1.8.7.
website has a treasure trove of samples and breaks available for download.

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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Being a pest
Date: 20 Jul 1998 16:10:01 -0400





> >  I found a pair of technics 1200 turntables used for
> >$1300 cdn, but I think that is way too much.  I am considering getting
> >newmark turntables, and still have no idea on what to get for a decent
> >mixer.

    That's pretty ridiculous. You can probably buy new ones for that much.

> never heard about newmark...  only turntables that have name&fame i know are
> vestax, technics and gemini... there are other brands too, but these make up
> the main part of what i saw...
> there are more mixer than turntable brands it seems :)  you should also
> check out www.numark.com (they have state-of-the-art mixers, only they look
> buttugly ;)  and www.intimidator.com if i'm correct...  uk based mixers,
> with lots of cool features...

    Oops, I lied. My mixer is a Numark, not a vestax. I like it a bunch, and
it's pretty cheap. The Intimidator is made by Apex, and while it's effects would
be useful to anyone, it's primarily I think meant to be for battle DJ's. Up
until the last month or 2, it wasn't available in the US, but they found a
couple of distributors, and I think it goes for about $300 US.

> but imho you're better of with two 1200's and a "simple" mixers with enough
> of channels...  that way you can practice at home, and get used to 1200's
> that are used in many clubs if you will play in them when you are good
> enough...  and about the mixer...  the sampler feature is up to you...

    That's pretty much the bottom line. I agree wholeheartedly.





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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) dn'b/ae
Date: 20 Jul 1998 16:12:34 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> oh, and autechre... in a league of their own.  uncomparable.  almost all of
> their own releases uncomparable.  you haven't heard Ae unless you've heard
> everything!  can't be judged by any one release.  Oh, and if you're keen
> enough, seek out their Gescom alias...wow.

    By the way, I remember someone mentioning Mini-discs the other day.. I saw
the Gescom release on minidisc at a store in chapel hill last weekend, so it
looks like at least _someone_ is putting them out..

-Morey





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Subject: Re: (orbital) this and that
Date: 20 Jul 1998 16:30:49 -0400




> > I've always thought Apollo 440 sound like they haven't a clue what they're
> > doing, they just copy other people. Fluke can be a bit like that too, but
> > they do it nmuch better. Maybe it's just me.
>
> No, I don't think its you, I've never heard anything good
> about them (at least from people who listen to d'n'b.)

    What a surprise...maybe because it's not d&b..(although i concede there are 2
jungle songs on the latest apollo 440 cd).

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Subject: (orbital) Request...
Date: 20 Jul 1998 21:33:52 +0000


I would appreciate it if anyone would send me any pics of the Orbital CD
covers and/or a jpg/bmp/whatever of the orbital logo.

Thanks in advance.

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From: Chris <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) paul van dyke
Date: 20 Jul 1998 23:00:01 -0600


hello all.  does anybody know some good online cd stores where i can order
paul van dyke albums?  i've been looking everywhere i can think of and am
having no luck.  thanks.


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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Autechre new album
Date: 21 Jul 1998 20:06:35 +0100


At 10:51 20/7/98 -0400, Aronne J Merrelli wrote:
>
>Excerpts from mail: 19-Jul-98 (orbital) Autechre new album by
@capgemini.co.uk
>>         All,
>>
>>         I should have posted this last week - but here goes.
>>
>>         Latest Autechre Album - Awesome - Buy it!
>>
>>         That simple ;)
>
>
>Heheh... well I am listening to it right now, so here is my $.02:
>
>It is a good album, but honestly I am a bit dissappointed;
>Partly because my expectations were so damn high :) ,

I doubt anybody's expectations were higher than mine, and I'm well pleased
with it. I honestly can't see Orbital matching it (but I hope I'm wrong!).

>and also
>there are a few too many tracks in the 'Chicilisuite' style.

True, but then I really like Cichlisuite's style.

I'm with Steve on this, it's the best album of the year. Even better than
Plastikman.

cheers,
Jon

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Apollo 440
Date: 21 Jul 1998 20:08:17 +0100


At 16:30 20/7/98 -0400, Morey Gamble wrote:
>
>
>
>> > I've always thought Apollo 440 sound like they haven't a clue what
they're
>> > doing, they just copy other people. Fluke can be a bit like that too, but
>> > they do it nmuch better. Maybe it's just me.
>>
>> No, I don't think its you, I've never heard anything good
>> about them (at least from people who listen to d'n'b.)
>
>    What a surprise...maybe because it's not d&b..(although i concede
there are 2
>jungle songs on the latest apollo 440 cd).

I'd have to hope they're better than "Ain't Talkin' 'bout Dub". That was
truly one of the worst dance/rock clashes I've ever heard.


Jon

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Autechre new album
Date: 21 Jul 1998 18:11:36 EDT


this particular item out stateside yet?

--matt


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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Autechre new album
Date: 21 Jul 1998 18:39:04 -0400 (EDT)


Excerpts from mail: 21-Jul-98 Re: (orbital) Autechre new .. by
[e-mail]
>
> this particular item out stateside yet?
>

Yeah, I bought mine in a record shop in Chicago.
You could mail order it straight from the UK too,
if you get really impatient :)  I've used Action
Records before, so I would recommend them -
http://www.action-records.co.uk


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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Best of 98?
Date: 21 Jul 1998 19:44:30 -0400 (EDT)


Excerpts from mail: 21-Jul-98 Re: (orbital) Re: Autechre .. by Jon
[e-mail]
> >Heheh... well I am listening to it right now, so here is my $.02:
> >
> >It is a good album, but honestly I am a bit dissappointed;
> >Partly because my expectations were so damn high :) ,
>
> I doubt anybody's expectations were higher than mine, and I'm well pleased
> with it. I honestly can't see Orbital matching it (but I hope I'm wrong!).
>
> >and also
> >there are a few too many tracks in the 'Chicilisuite' style.
>
> True, but then I really like Cichlisuite's style.

Yeah, if you like Cichilisuite, you'll love this album.
I just gave it another listen - my favorite tracks are rae, underBOAC,
corc, arch carrier and drane2. The rest of the tracks just escape me..
I find melve irritating as hell - why put such a pointless track on
the LP? I just don't get the point at all...


>
> I'm with Steve on this, it's the best album of the year. Even better than
> Plastikman.

Well, I'd have to say I like 'Consumed' better than Autechre. And
both way above 'mezzanine'. Although by far the best album for 98,
for my ears, (this one might be 1997 though, I'm not sure of the
release date.) is Amon Tobin's Permutations... This is just stunning
work. For anyone who likes d'n'b, downtempo or trip hop, or any
music with serious beats, this album is a must have......
Everytime I listen to this CD I just get this shitty grin on my
face cause I love it so much ... :)  This is the first Ninja Tune
album I own, and its hard not to run straight back to the record
shop and buy more of this label...

Ok, enough babbling...


Regards,
    -Aronne


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From: Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Autechre new album
Date: 21 Jul 1998 22:55:45 -0400 (EDT)



> Yeah, I bought mine in a record shop in Chicago.
> You could mail order it straight from the UK too,
> if you get really impatient :)  I've used Action
> Records before, so I would recommend them -
> http://www.action-records.co.uk
>
>

Thanks for the tip about Action Records.. I'm checking out their site and
it looks nice.  I'm planning to do some import ordering so I have a
question for everyone.

A question that evreyone has heard time and again, I know.. but bear with
me one more time =)

I'm looking to order some GOOD trance/techno imports... Orbital-esque
stuff.  So, what do you recommend that is very Orbital like.  I know a lot
of the names and stuff, so just spout some off that you have heard (or
compilations you feel might be available that are good).

Everyone has recommeneded Schematix which I am ordering.  I also already
have a lot of Salt Tank stuff which I feel sounds pretty close to Orbital.
Any others?  Any good compilations?  Please help =)

thanks in advance!

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From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgRm91cm5pZXI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Jean-Michel Jarre
Date: 21 Jul 1998 23:08:35 -0400


Ok.

One very usual subject of discussion on this list is suggestions of
orbital-like music.... Well, I have recommended Jarre to readers here
before, since that guy's been at the origins of the techno movement since
the start, as much as Kraftwerk or that sexchange Carlos guy/gal who did the
Clockwork orange music, or Vangelis....

Well, lately a remix CD of his last album has come out, and for those of you
who especially like danceable music (like Orbital has often been mostly
before Snivilisation), well this may be a good first contact...

The CD is "Odyssey through O2", and is very nice. If you want to hear more,
"Oxygene" (1976) and "Oxygene 7-13" (1997) are extremely great music, I
can't see anyone regret buying those, they are total masterpieces.

Oh well. I thought I'd quit long before on the Jarre advocacy stuff :)



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Subject: (orbital) Plaid
Date: 21 Jul 1998 23:11:32 -0400


I'd like to hear what you people think of the group Plaid, on Warp, and
especially their album "not for threes"?

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From: Trym Asserson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) last mail
Date: 22 Jul 1998 05:48:28 +0100 (BST)



yes, it's true, this account is no longer going to be my address for this mailing list.. it takes too much time logging in from a remote location to find soo many messages.. ;)

So, as of today, my subscription to orbital from here is cancelled.

BUT, you're not rid of me yet.. :) my new address wil be

[e-mail]

so i'll see you soon.

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Subject: (orbital) please ignore
Date: 21 Jul 1998 21:57:52 PDT


simply a test to see if i managed to subscribe correctly

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From: "Robert Young" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(orbital) Plaid
Date: 22 Jul 1998 08:27:08 -0500


i think it is great...definately good driving music.

it has been in my cd changer for about 3 months now...very different than
most music being created.

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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Plaid
Date: 22 Jul 1998 10:11:50 -0400 (EDT)


Excerpts from mail: 21-Jul-98 (orbital) Plaid by @videotron.ca
> I'd like to hear what you people think of the group Plaid, on Warp, and
> especially their album "not for threes"?

Not perfect, but really really close :)  I would say its on
my top 10 album list. Lots of great tracks, all quite varied
in style. That is probably what makes it good - their music
sounds varied and fresh enough that it can't easily be
pigeon-holed into some music category.
BTW, Plaid is made up of former members of Black Dog, so
they are continuing the tradition of excellent electronic
music :)


Regards,
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From: ajl <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #101
Date: 22 Jul 1998 04:01:14 -0500


First off big ups to all who praise Autechre new and old!  Steve, one more
month til the new server... i'll keep you updated.

>    By the way, I remember someone mentioning Mini-discs the other day.. I saw
>the Gescom release on minidisc at a store in chapel hill last weekend, so it
>looks like at least _someone_ is putting them out..

Yeah, i've got this, but no MD player (yeah, i'm a trainspotter).  It's the
first Minidisc *only* release ever.  Leave it to Gescom.  I've got a mono
mp3 of it... a lot or randomness and noises.   not for the light of heart.
The Gescom I was speaking more fondly of are the 4 12"-only releases on
their own Skam record label out of Manchester.  Keynell being my personal
favorite hightlight.  Chances are you won't be able to find the first 3,
but the 4th just came out a few weeks back.  oh and their excellent remix
of Push Button Objects.  keep your peepers open.

>I doubt anybody's expectations were higher than mine, and I'm well pleased
>with it. I honestly can't see Orbital matching it (but I hope I'm wrong!).

Why are you trying to compare Orbital and Autechre??  Like them both for
whatever reasons... they're both intellectually stimulating, yet on totally
different levels.  Orbital on the whole is much more mass-friendly as
opposed to autechre.  Trying to match both of these artists to the same
expectation is missing the point.  Like them for what they are, not in
comparison to others (who are incidentally uncomparable!)

>Well, I'd have to say I like 'Consumed' better than Autechre. And
>both way above 'mezzanine'. Although by far the best album for 98,
>for my ears, (this one might be 1997 though, I'm not sure of the
>release date.) is Amon Tobin's Permutations... This is just stunning
>work. For anyone who likes d'n'b, downtempo or trip hop, or any
>music with serious beats, this album is a must have......
>Everytime I listen to this CD I just get this shitty grin on my
>face cause I love it so much ... :)  This is the first Ninja Tune
>album I own, and its hard not to run straight back to the record
>shop and buy more of this label...

More irrelevant comparisons... Plastikman to Massive Attack to Autechre to
Amon Tobin.  I personally love all of 'em but for different reasons,
differnt moods.  They're all evocative and exciting... again, on different
levels.  don't try to compare them, because they're all completely
different and the objectives for the music is wide-spread and varied.  ...I
have to say, however, that if you dig Permutation (a recent *98* release),
you should most definitely check out his last album also on Ninja Tune
called Bricolage ('96).

later,
Andrew
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From: "Dekoy the artist formerly known as Decoy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) A Question of Timing
Date: 22 Jul 1998 07:21:39 PDT


i just got a sealed copy of the US Chime 12". on the labels, there is
listed a variance of time to the UK releases for:

5:31  Chime Crime  US 12" & 6:33  Chime Crime UK 12",Cass,CDs

is this true? or is it just a typo on the US part. if it is 5:31, then
is it just a fade out around this time spot?

thanx in advance.

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From: "Wouter Hermans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) OT: hugfests with ladies and beer at the hills
Date: 22 Jul 1998 17:51:20 +0200


hiya

i'll be out of town for like 2 weeks...  not that you would care...

but don't expect me to answer your emails immediately... i'll get back to ya
after my break

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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: more stupid music comparisons.
Date: 22 Jul 1998 12:47:38 -0400 (EDT)


Excerpts from mail: 22-Jul-98 (orbital) Re: orbital-diges.. by [e-mail]
>Yeah, i've got this, but no MD player (yeah, i'm a trainspotter).  It's the
>first Minidisc *only* release ever.  Leave it to Gescom.  I've got a mono
>mp3 of it... a lot or randomness and noises.   not for the light of heart.
>The Gescom I was speaking more fondly of are the 4 12"-only releases on
>their own Skam record label out of Manchester.  Keynell being my personal
>favorite hightlight.  Chances are you won't be able to find the first 3,
>but the 4th just came out a few weeks back.  oh and their excellent remix
>of Push Button Objects.  keep your peepers open.

What does the 4th sound like? I've heard a couple of the older
Skam records, they are very nice... I've always wondered why
groups release stuff like this - make a few thousand copies
and then never print the thing again. Almost like they _don't_
want people to hear the music.... why else would they make it
so damn hard to get? Why don't they re-release the stuff
on a CD or something? It would definitely sell... Sorry for
the rant, I just find this particular practice most irritating :)



> >Well, I'd have to say I like 'Consumed' better than Autechre. And
> >both way above 'mezzanine'. Although by far the best album for 98,
> >for my ears, (this one might be 1997 though, I'm not sure of the
> >release date.) is Amon Tobin's Permutations... This is just stunning
> >work. For anyone who likes d'n'b, downtempo or trip hop, or any
> >music with serious beats, this album is a must have......
> >Everytime I listen to this CD I just get this shitty grin on my
> >face cause I love it so much ... :)  This is the first Ninja Tune
> >album I own, and its hard not to run straight back to the record
> >shop and buy more of this label...
>
> More irrelevant comparisons... Plastikman to Massive Attack to Autechre to
> Amon Tobin.  I personally love all of 'em but for different reasons,
> differnt moods.  They're all evocative and exciting... again, on different
> levels.  don't try to compare them, because they're all completely
> different and the objectives for the music is wide-spread and varied.  ...I
> have to say, however, that if you dig Permutation (a recent *98* release),
> you should most definitely check out his last album also on Ninja Tune
> called Bricolage ('96).

Well, yeah you're probably right; but it wasn't exactly
my intention to compare them, I was just saying which I liked
best this year :)  They are completely different styles.
I've heard about Bricolage, I have high expectations for
it as well... read a review of it and it sounded very cool.
I am also be on the look out for the last 2 comps, Funkungfusion
and Flexistentialism....


Regards,
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From: "Benjamin Szabo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) detroit is my mecca
Date: 22 Jul 1998 10:39:13 PDT


Black Metropolis - at the Anchorage, Brooklyn, NYC, June 28, 1998

Almost forgot to let you know, Carl Craig was amazing, beyond all
expectations. Every time he dropped a new record the place exploded, and
almost every track was top notch ace tech-house. The venue itself was
spectacular, there were these tunnels leading away from the main floor
that looked like the inside of an egyptian pyramid. Juan Atkins played a
4 hour set that took the crowd on a sonic journey, rising and then
falling over and over in these waves of energy. This was the BEST event
I've ever been to, if you even have a remote opportunity to see Craig or
Atkins, grab it! (don't know what happened to Larkin and Pullen)

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Best of 98?
Date: 22 Jul 1998 20:22:00 +0100


At 19:44 21/7/98 -0400, Aronne J Merrelli wrote:
>
>Although by far the best album for 98,
>for my ears, (this one might be 1997 though, I'm not sure of the
>release date.) is Amon Tobin's Permutations... This is just stunning
>work.

I hate jazz-jungle, so I've always expected to hate Amon Tobin. But every
track of his on the Ninja Tune compilations is ace.

> This is the first Ninja Tune
>album I own, and its hard not to run straight back to the record
>shop and buy more of this label...

If you do, make sure you get Coldcut's last album 'Let us Play'.


At 04:01 22/7/98 -0500, ajl wrote:
>
>
>Why are you trying to compare Orbital and Autechre??  Like them both for
>whatever reasons... they're both intellectually stimulating, yet on totally
>different levels.  Orbital on the whole is much more mass-friendly as
>opposed to autechre.  Trying to match both of these artists to the same
>expectation is missing the point.  Like them for what they are, not in
>comparison to others (who are incidentally uncomparable!)

I wasn't really trying to claim there's anything similar between the two
(except maybe bits of Sniv), you're absolutely right, the two appeal to
different parts of my musical taste. I just meant that I'd be very very
pleased indeed if Orbital's album touches how much I like 'LP5'.


cheers,
Jon


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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Jean-Michel Jarre
Date: 22 Jul 1998 15:20:51 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> The CD is "Odyssey through O2", and is very nice. If you want to hear more,
> "Oxygene" (1976) and "Oxygene 7-13" (1997) are extremely great music, I
> can't see anyone regret buying those, they are total masterpieces.

    The only album I've got of his is 'Equinoxe'.. How do they compare to it?
Ooh, here's an interesting story. My copy of Equinoxe is the original French
vinyl release which I got from Bob Moog, who got it from Jarre.. He gave it to
my dad and said it was (at the time) the best use of synthesizers he had heard..
Pretty big compliment coming from the man himself..

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From: "Halcyon Sun" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) halcyon
Date: 22 Jul 1998 14:02:24 PDT


isn't it about time we discussed the most discussed track again anyway?
:)

Is it just me or is it a well-known, established fact that Kirstie
Hakshaw (is that right?) "adlibs" a slightly different version of "It's
a fine day" (or whatever the right name is) on Halcyon?

A friend of mine heard Halcyon for the first time not long ago and
instantly said, "Hey! Isn't that the Opus 3 woman?" and starting humming
on "It's a fine day". I was impressed to say the least, but he made me
think of something and now I think I'm hearing just that Opus 3 song
over and over while hearing Halcyon.

As in David Holmes : "Right or wrong?"

On a side note in fact concerning David Holmes; a single that somebody
mentioned some time ago bore the name of Johnny something, right?
Anybody know where to get a hold of it? Is it a rarity or should it be
possible to track down through mail-order?

LASTLY, does David Holmes go by another name at times? I just got a cd
called System Express by System 7 ++ other artists remixing their works.
System Express contains some really good tracks by the way, remixes by
people like Carl Cox, Derrick May, Laurent Garnier?, but anyway, my
question. The cover says David Holmes has remixed one of the songs on
the cd, but the inlet does not print his name other than in the credits,
not for any of the tracks.

Case is, too, that I wonder just who Adam Wren is.

Anyway, enough murmuring...

Trym

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From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgRm91cm5pZXI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Jean-Michel Jarre
Date: 22 Jul 1998 20:25:27 -0400





> The only album I've got of his is 'Equinoxe'.. How do they compare to i=
t?

Equinoxe was done two years after Oxygene (1978), and personally I like b=
oth
of them very much, they have a very similar sound and I have come to see
them as two halves of an incredibly rich whole. That is of course before =
the
release of Oxygene 7-13 last year which came to confuse everything :) But
the three are very amazing music, Jarre is at the top of my music
appreciations, Orbital and Autechre one rung down and hopeless to reach
Jarre on the top!

His third album,"Les chants magn=E9tiques", is nice too but already he wa=
s
sinking in a pit of cheap-sounding synths that plagued most of his 80`s
releases until he emerged with the brilliant "Chronologie" in 1993.

One weird release is his "Zoolook" album, when he discovered sampling
technology, and it's made up mostly of sampled human voices... Very ambie=
nt
too. I believe that it's good even though I have always had a hard time
liking it.

"Revolutions" and "Rendez-Vous" should be avoided at first, and you shoul=
d
only get "En attendant Cousteau" if you're curious about the very long ve=
ry
good 47 minute ambient track that takes up most of the disc... Because th=
e
other tracks are only so-so, especially the first (Calypso Pt.1) which is=
 by
far his most terrible song imho.


> Ooh, here's an interesting story. My copy of Equinoxe is the original
> French vinyl release which I got from Bob Moog, who got it from Jarre..=
 He
> gave it to my dad and said it was (at the time) the best use of
> synthesizers he had heard.. Pretty big compliment coming from the man
> himself..


Moog... That's the guy behind W.Carlos's electronic takes on Bach and
Beethoven in the 60's... Jarre usually lists the equipment he's used maki=
ng
his CD's, and there always are Moogs (though I dont know exactly what the=
y
are in the end).

And... What did your dad do for a living to have such connections?


Derf

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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) MTVs Fanatic
Date: 22 Jul 1998 23:14:26 -0700


Have any of you chankers out there ever seen this show?  Its fucking
hilarious.  All these chanks who are in love with crappo quasi-celebs
like backstreet boys, nsync, etc. get to meet them and tell them how
much of an "influence" they are on them.
Wouldnt it be funny if they actually let one of us meet someone like
alec empire or the hartnolls or richard d. james?  Of course it will
never happened, no matter how many of us submit tapes requesting to.
On a related note: I happened to know that some of these meetings are
highly fixed.  How? Well one day at work (i work at a music BTW), we got
a fax from MTV basically begging for an employee that liked Savage
Garden because MTV was flying them out soon and couldnt fan a normal
"fan" to meet them yet.  They sent this out to all the stores in our
chain.  Pretty freakin hilarious.  We all joked about getting on the
show and asking them questions like :"when was it that you guys figured
out that you could make money off of crappy music?" heheh. anyway, im
rambling....


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From: jon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) halcyon
Date: 23 Jul 1998 01:21:08 -0700


Hi,

>As in David Holmes : "Right or wrong?"
>
>On a side note in fact concerning David Holmes; a single that somebody
>mentioned some time ago bore the name of Johnny something, right?

The single is "Johnny Favourite." This 12" was his first solo release
outside of the Disco Evengelists (with Ashley Beedle.) Highly recommended
by the way, there is a great ambient mix on the flip side of the 12"/cd
single. It's unfortunately out of print, and it didn't appear on his album
"This Film's Crap.." but that album is definitely worth buying for some
great tracks including the track "GOne" with Sarah Cracknell.

>Anybody know where to get a hold of it? Is it a rarity or should it be
>possible to track down through mail-order?

You might be able to mail order it, you might want to tcheck around various
UK specialty stores, like maybe Esprit.

>LASTLY, does David Holmes go by another name at times? I just got a cd

Yes, he has recorded under several names, namely the Disco Evangelists, and
he has worked with Stuart Mcmillian (Slam) and Alter Ego on several tracks.
Holmes remixed several tracks titled "Exploding Plastic Reconstruction."
The name refers to his own label called "Exploding Plastic." I haven't seen
too many releases, but i remember seeing one with David Harrow (also of
Innersphere.) Anyway, the remix he did for System 7 is "Interstate" and
it's on cd2 of the System Express album. You may want to look into his
remixes for other artists like Saint Etienne and Sven vath, he's done some
pretty good remix work.

>Case is, too, that I wonder just who Adam Wren is.

He appears to be an engineer who shows up on lots of things, he used to
work with leftfield frwquently. Where's that new leftfield album??? :o)

Take care,

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) david holmes
Date: 23 Jul 1998 12:15:37 +0100


At 01:21 23/7/98 -0700, jon wrote:
>
>The single is "Johnny Favourite."
>You might be able to mail order it, you might want to tcheck around various
>UK specialty stores, like maybe Esprit.

I'm sure Warp will still have some for mail order through their website.
www.warp-net.com if you don' know. WAP42CD.

>>LASTLY, does David Holmes go by another name at times? I just got a cd

Scubadevils ('Celestial Symphony', a collaboration with the Dub Federation)
and Death before Disco ('Ministry', his remix of the Scubadevils track, so
they claim)

>I haven't seen
>too many releases, but i remember seeing one with David Harrow (also of
>Innersphere.)

Lionrock's 'Tripwire'.

>Anyway, the remix he did for System 7 is "Interstate" and
>it's on cd2 of the System Express album.

And on the Interstate single.

>You may want to look into his
>remixes for other artists like Saint Etienne and Sven vath, he's done some
>pretty good remix work.

The Sabres Of Paradise' 'Smokebelch II' - his remix is the best thing ever
(yeah I know I'd that a hundred times before). And Secret Knowledge's
'Sugar Daddy', the list could go on and on.

>He appears to be an engineer who shows up on lots of things, he used to
>work with leftfield frwquently. Where's that new leftfield album??? :o)

"Due in the summer, with a single before the summer" was what I heard.
Presumably they meant summer 1999, as our summer seems to be over now.


cheers,
Jon


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From: Dirty Epic <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Plaid
Date: 22 Jul 1998 23:04:51 -0600




Fr=E9d=E9ric Fournier wrote:

> I'd like to hear what you people think of the group Plaid, on Warp, and
> especially their album "not for threes"?
>
> Derf

I haven't heard anything by them, but if it's anything like the Black Dog
(from which I believe one of the members is), then I'd buy it in a second=
.  I
just have to find a copy somewhere.

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From: Dirty Epic <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) this and that (2)
Date: 22 Jul 1998 22:46:21 -0600




Aronne J Merrelli wrote:

> Excerpts from mail: 20-Jul-98 Re: (orbital) this and that by Jon
> [e-mail]
> > >
> > > i havent heard a lot of jungle bands.  but from what i have heard, apollo
> > >440 is one of the better bands.
>

I'd like to think so, although I wouldn't really consider them jungle.

> No, I don't think its you, I've never heard anything good
> about them (at least from people who listen to d'n'b.)

I wouldn't say that they don't put out anything good.  I mean, "Krupa" is a damn
good song.  Very upbeat and happy.  The rest of the album is okay, it grows on
you.  I just think there's a little bit too many vocals in it.





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Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #101
Date: 23 Jul 1998 09:59:56 EDT


<<>    By the way, I remember someone mentioning Mini-discs the other day.. I
saw
>the Gescom release on minidisc at a store in chapel hill last weekend, so it
>looks like at least _someone_ is putting them out..>>

I was the one who was talking about MiniDiscs. But, who is Gescom. That is
cool if they only put it out on MD which would force me to buy a MD instead of
a CD and I woulf actually get some use out of my player. But before I go
searching for it, I need to know who Gescom is and what they sound like.
Thanks. Later.
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From: "Halcyon Txn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) halcyon
Date: 23 Jul 1998 10:54:02 PDT


Hey,

>The single is "Johnny Favourite." This 12" was his first solo release
>outside of the Disco Evengelists (with Ashley Beedle.)

What about Disco Evangelists, were they any good? Any recommended albums
to look out for?

> Highly recommended
>by the way, there is a great ambient mix on the flip side of the 12"/cd
>single. It's unfortunately out of print, and it didn't appear on his
album
>"This Film's Crap.." but that album is definitely worth buying for some
>great tracks including the track "GOne" with Sarah Cracknell.

Oh, totally captured by that song. Got the first album a few weeks after
I bought Let's Get Killed. Thought it was a bit strange at first, but
now it's sunk underneath my skin and I like the feel of the whole album.
I went to my local musicstore and asked them to order it on vinyl import
from either US or UK. Will just have to wait and see what they can come
up with.

>UK specialty stores, like maybe Esprit.

in which city is this one? or is it mail order?

>Yes, he has recorded under several names, namely the Disco Evangelists,
and
>he has worked with Stuart Mcmillian (Slam) and Alter Ego on several
tracks.
>Holmes remixed several tracks titled "Exploding Plastic
Reconstruction."
>The name refers to his own label called "Exploding Plastic." I haven't
seen
>too many releases, but i remember seeing one with David Harrow (also of
>Innersphere.) Anyway, the remix he did for System 7 is "Interstate" and
>it's on cd2 of the System Express album. You may want to look into his
>remixes for other artists like Saint Etienne and Sven vath, he's done
some
>pretty good remix work.

Hrmmm... My System Express came in 1CD format... but it's got
Interstate, but not by David Holmes, rather Doc Scott, and being written
by System 7.

>He appears to be an engineer who shows up on lots of things, he used to
>work with leftfield frwquently. Where's that new leftfield album??? :o)

Okay, thanks for the info.. :)

Now I'm hoping my local musicstore can come up with .3 Fire and Water
albums.

Trym

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Subject: Re: (orbital) halcyon
Date: 23 Jul 1998 19:07:23 +0100


At 10:54 23/7/98 PDT, Halcyon Txn wrote:
>
>Hey,
>
>>The single is "Johnny Favourite." This 12" was his first solo release
>>outside of the Disco Evengelists (with Ashley Beedle.)
>
>What about Disco Evangelists, were they any good? Any recommended albums
>to look out for?

Just two singles, 'De Niro' and 'A New Dawn', on Positiva records. Both
excellent.

>Hrmmm... My System Express came in 1CD format... but it's got
>Interstate, but not by David Holmes, rather Doc Scott, and being written
>by System 7.

That mix is on the single too. I like Doc Scott's stuff, including this mix.


cheers,
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From: Ken Pittman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) http://www.action-records.co.uk/
Date: 24 Jul 1998 10:26:57 -0400 (EDT)


Can anyone on the list get to this page? I wanted to go buy an Astral
Projection CD, but I keep getting a FORBIDDEN message. Anyone else having
this problem?

Thanks.

Ken Pittman


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From: Doris Hernandez <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) http://www.action-records.co.uk/ -Reply
Date: 24 Jul 1998 09:33:40 -0500


i haven't been allowed access to this site either. what's the trick?

d

>>> Ken Pittman <[e-mail]> 07/24/98 10:26am >>>

Can anyone on the list get to this page? I wanted to go buy an Astral
Projection CD, but I keep getting a FORBIDDEN message. Anyone else
having
this problem?

Thanks.

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From: [e-mail] (timmins)
Subject: (orbital) They are having server problems
Date: 24 Jul 1998 09:41:45 -0500


Action-Records:

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable
to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, [e-mail] and inform
them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that
may have caused the error.

there you go,
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) They are having server problems
Date: 24 Jul 1998 11:42:28 EDT


I just connected to Action Records right now. - And I am using America Online.
AOL can hardly connect to Yahoo half the time. And don't know what the problem
is. Good Luck. Later.
AJ


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From: Elliot Bancroft <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) RE  Action Records
Date: 24 Jul 1998 13:49:44 -0700 (PDT)


Cheers for mentioning this truly amazing company.


They stock almost soo much - and quite cheap to.


I have been using www.imvs.com but I'll give this company a go and see
how they do.

Thanks again

Elliot





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From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) RE  Action Records
Date: 24 Jul 1998 16:07:26 -0500


>  Has anyone found a way to get into this website w/out using AOL?
>


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From: "Patrick McGinn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) http://www.action-records.co.uk/
Date: 24 Jul 1998 17:19:49 -0400


>Can anyone on the list get to this page? I wanted to go buy an Astral
>Projection CD, but I keep getting a FORBIDDEN message. Anyone else having
>this problem?


I got in fine.  Usually forbidden errors just mean the server is overloaded.
Or not :)

Anyways, it worked for me.

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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Autechre - Ritual
Date: 24 Jul 1998 21:27:04 -0400


I don't know if this will help anyone out or not, but my brother somehow
managed to get on the Ritual mailing list, and got this today:

RITUAL 4: Submission takes place the FOLLOWING WEEKEND on Saturday August 1
-- Caribana long weekend in Toronto-- and features Autechre Live, Richie
Hawtin as DJ with 909 & effects, Theorem Live and locals the Subtonic
Monks, an 8-piece acoustic world drumming ensemble, drummer Elad'n, and Djs
Algorhythm & Lotus, as well as video & installation art by Optical
Assembly, Simon Cowling, Curtis MacDonald, Jubal Brown & Dan Driscoll.
This will be the first set by Autechre in Toronto in over 2 years and
heralds their new album, 'Album', which is out now in Europe on WARP but
will be out in North America in a few months, when Autechre return to 'do'
America. Canada, as usual, is ahead of the game. The last time Autechre
played Toronto at Transcendance 'live' in March '96, their set was heralded
as the dawning of a new era and an inspiration for many local new producers
today. Ae are joined by the return of Richie Hawtin, ever a Toronto techno
favourite, who is also on tour for his album 'Consumed', out now on
Mute/M_nus. Rich will continue on his trend of embellishing his DJ sets
with elaborate use of effects and the powerful 909.
Ritual 4 will be held at a legal licensed concert venue TBA, but which is
quite small. Tickets are expected to sell out in advance and we advise
early arrival. Live acts begin at MIDNIGHT sharp. Please call 416.760.3281
for more info on location, etc. Tickets are $25 adv. and this event is also
19+ licensed LLBO before 2:45 am. Ritual 4 runs from 10pm-8 am. Tix are
available at: Traxx, Play de Record, Speed, Record Peddler, Speed
Kitchener, Mudshark Guelph, From Mars London, Record Time Detroit, Hidden
Jungle Missisauga, Record Bar Oshawa & Play de Scarborough.

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From: [e-mail] (Brandon Invergo)
Subject: (orbital) http://www.action-records.com
Date: 25 Jul 1998 00:18:45 EDT


speaking of this site, does anyone know about how long it takes them to
deliver stuff stateside? i ordered some stuff a week ago, and am already
impatient (but that's just cause im impatient like that, not that they
are taking a while).  actually, they already billed my account for the
shipping, so i think they already sent it out. hmmm

     please reply no later than saturday, acuz im leaving for two
weeks on sun.
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From: Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Beaumont Hannant
Date: 25 Jul 1998 00:58:13 -0400 (EDT)




Does anyone have some or many CDs from Beaumont Hannant?

I heard a song by this group (or person) called Mind Colours that I
enjoyed.  What is the overall style of the CDs?  More ambient and less
"beaty" than Orbital?

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From: Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) In Order to Dance 5
Date: 25 Jul 1998 01:07:37 -0400 (EDT)




Also, does anyone have the compilation, In Order to Dance 5?

It is a 3 CD set according to Action Records, and pretty cheap too.  Just
curious how it is.. if they are full length CDs etc.

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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Ae
Date: 25 Jul 1998 02:55:27 -0700


Hey,

Was at Virgin today, and was checking out LP5.  Quite an amazing cd.  I
wanted to buy it, but they wanted $26.99 cdn.  Although the cd is worth it,
I think I can get it for less off of the internet.  Odd packaging.  I
couldn't figure out what cd it was until I listened to it.  I was looking
for a copyright, but the sticker that had all of the cd info was covered up
by the fucking price tag.  They have so much space, and they cover up what
you need to see everytime.  Instead I bought the Basscadet EP which I've
wanted for a while, and Air's Moon Safari.  Not bad although Kelly, watch
the stars is the highlight, and really the only trak that stands out besides
Sexy Boy.  What do you all think.
cya
morpheus

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) In Order to Dance 5
Date: 25 Jul 1998 11:33:07 +0100


At 01:07 25/7/98 -0400, Doug Radcliffe wrote:
>
>
>
>Also, does anyone have the compilation, In Order to Dance 5?

Yes and it's excellent, from the days when R&S mattered (unlike nowadays).=
=20

>It is a 3 CD set according to Action Records, and pretty cheap too.

The 3CD set was the limited edition version, and I thought they'd all gone
immediately, so I didn't mind only getting the 2CD version. The 2 CDs are
full-length, but I think the third only has five or so tracks on it,
including a remix of Plastikman's wonderful 'Spastik' that I would love to
get my hands on. Actually what I'd really like is the even-more-limited
edition in the battery powered lightbox thing, but that cost =A3160 when new=
,
so God knows what it'll cost now!=20

>  Just curious how it is..

Well worth paying a 'normal' price for, and I'd say definitely get it if
it's cheap.=20

The style of the music is quite varied (though all techno, loosely
speaking), from really hard tuff like Basic Channel to really smooth jazzy
stuff like Carl Craig's 'At Les'. And Aphex's 'Polynomial G' is on there.
And mu-ziq's 'Phi*1700[u/v]', and Biosphere, and CJ Bolland, and loads more
that I can't be bothered to list.=20

Get it.


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From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgRm91cm5pZXI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Beaumont Hannant
Date: 25 Jul 1998 07:53:40 -0400


>Does anyone have some or many CDs from Beaumont Hannant?
>
>I heard a song by this group (or person) called Mind Colours that I
>enjoyed.  What is the overall style of the CDs?  More ambient and less
>"beaty" than Orbital?


Well all I can say is this, the Beaumont Hannant mix of Basscadet on
Basscad-ep (Autechre) is a very good track!



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Subject: Re: (orbital) Ae
Date: 25 Jul 1998 07:59:00 -0400


What is LP5's CD packaging like? The vinyl is 2 lp's in a slightly rough,
beige/grey plain cardboard pocket and the inner sleeves for the 2 lp's are
U-shaped and white.


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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Richard H Kirk/ Micky Mann / Cylob and one half of Orbital
Date: 25 Jul 1998 10:59:48 +0100


All,

Just got back after an hectic 3 day trip to London - down there on Work
business ... a Novell course (yawn) but by the night i was enjoying
myself.

During the visit i made a brief visit to the studio just to drop a few
things off for Paul. Micky Mann (Pressure of Speech) was there helping
out on a mix of the last but ONE track from the new album - top friendly
bloke. Paul made a few comments about Diggers shirts btw (are u ready
for this Digger!) - loved the idea - thought it would be hilarious if
his Dad would wear a T-Shirt with "new age travellers..." on it. :)

Thursday night i went to the Isslington small farty Richard H Kirk
(Cabaret Voiltaire) gig at the Garage with Paul H, his GF and Jones.
Small hot room full of journos and Record Company representives...
Support Act was just a wall of noise - very annoying - but yaknow he
just wanted to hear people shout "F?$? Off" to him. Richard H Kirk
himself - played a mixture of styles - generally upbeat - nice mixture
of breakbeats as well. The whole night was over quite quick - only to
see Cylob (Afx type artist) grab the mike of the mixing desk and shout
various abuse to the crowd. Before anyone could react Paul had disarmed
him of the mike and lowered the volume. Hey...who says he can only
compose music. Paul the bouncer!

Its good to be back  - need more sleep ;)

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Neil McLelland and Gareth Jones - Are We Here
Date: 25 Jul 1998 10:23:56 +0100


Tim W Wrote>
>       After "They did it" there are two names listed after an asterix
>- - "Neil McLelland and Gareth Jones". Any hints to what this meant?
>
>        I am pretty sure that they didn't remix it or produce it - "All
>tracks written and produced by P&P Hartnoll"
>
>There is no other mention of these blokes on the CD. Hmmm. How strange.

They did remix it...but didnt write it or produce it. Its not a bad mix
IMHO.

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital / Underworld / LEftfield new albums
Date: 25 Jul 1998 10:46:34 +0100


Jon wrote
>We can only hope Orbital, Underworld
>and Leftfield match it, and then this'll be the greatest year ever.
>Assuming, of course, they all get their fingers out and finish their albums
>this year.

I dont think that is the problem with Underworld and i know for a fact
that it isnt the problem with Orbital. Orbital are a least one month
from completion - but the Record Company will most likely waver the idea
of releasing the album this side of Xmas. The RC view is avoid releasing
"this" type of music in the later half of the year before Xmas - it
would sell better in January. I know this is obsurd, but the Record
Company call the final shots on most artists/groups and money is the end
result in their eyes.

Still no release date for Orbital album....but if you read the above - u
may guess where it most likely will end up coming out....sad !


Thanx

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Subject: (orbital) Loopz 5 is out / Past Live Bootleg 4 Sale - i forgot to mention this ;)
Date: 25 Jul 1998 21:05:06 +0100


All,

Those on the Loopz mailing list will already know about this.

ISSUE 5 OF LOOPZ IS OUT and features various articles including an
interview with u-ziq. Check the ISSUE section on Loopz for more details
- www.hyperreal.org/loopz

Also...ive got a fair few "Past / Live" bootlegs that my good friend
Zed-Pool created (with some help from me). Its basically a compilation
of Live recordings from 1992 to 1997. 9 tracks in total shown below:-

Walk Now (live NL 94)
Crash and Carry (ditto)
Naked and the Dead (Bham UK 93)
Dwr Budr (Boston, US 96)
Halcyon (Glasto UK 94)
Belfast (ditto)
Steel Cube Idoltry (Norwich, UK, 1992!!!!!)
Chime (Alexandra Palace - Big Ben version (one off) - UK - New Years Eve
96/97)
Impact (Pheonix Festival, UK 97)

All the recordings are FM or Mixing desk quality - i wouldnt agree to
help out unless the recording were good ones. A few already have this
off the Loopz list - good feedback just like the Oscillate Bootleg that
Zed-Pool did.

Price for zine and cd for uk is 13 pounds
price for zine and cd for us is 14 pounds

ALl the usual rules about English money or International Cheque for
English money apply - but PLEASE email me and ill give u some more
detail on this in case you dont know.

I think thats it... mail me at [e-mail] or
[e-mail].

and no....its not an Official release.

Thanx

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Subject: Fw: Message Bounce: [Fwd: (orbital) Jean-Michel Jarre]
Date: 24 Jul 1998 21:24:08 -0400



> >
> > > > Ooh, here's an interesting story. My copy of Equinoxe is the
original
> > > > French vinyl release which I got from Bob Moog, who got it from
Jarre.. He
> > > > gave it to my dad and said it was (at the time) the best use of
> > > > synthesizers he had heard.. Pretty big compliment coming from the
man
> > > > himself..
> > >
> > > Moog... That's the guy behind W.Carlos's electronic takes on Bach and
> > > Beethoven in the 60's... Jarre usually lists the equipment he's used
making
> > > his CD's, and there always are Moogs (though I dont know exactly what
they
> > > are in the end).
> > > And.. What did your dad do for a living to have such connections?
> >
> >     There's a lot more to moog than that... He generally credited with
the
> > invention of the synthesizer as we know it today.. He took some of the
previous
> > designs on analog synthesis (which he also had a hand in) and put them
together
> > with a keyboard, so that anyone could play it, not just scientists..
That was
> > the basis for all his work, to allow anyone to be able to use all those
> > wonderful sounds.. He's still doing it today, too. The biggest buzz at
NAMM (the
> > music equipment industry convention here in the US) this year was his
company's
> > release of the MIDI Theremin.. What did my dad do for a living for
those
> > sonnection? Nothing. Moog just happened to choose the plot of land next
to ours
> > to build his dream house.. I grew up with his kids, played in his
warehouse,
> > etc... His son Matt starting teaching me to program in BASIC in 1984
when he was
> > 11 and I was 9. :) Anyway, that's the story..go buy a Big Briar midi
Theremin..
> >
> > -Morey





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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Richard H Kirk/ Micky Mann / Cylob and one half of Orbital
Date: 25 Jul 1998 14:54:16 +0100


>Thursday night i went to the Isslington small farty Richard H Kirk
>(Cabaret Voiltaire) gig at the Garage with Paul H, his GF and Jones.
>Small hot room full of journos and Record Company representives...
>Support Act was just a wall of noise - very annoying - but yaknow he
>just wanted to hear people shout "F?$? Off" to him. Richard H Kirk
>himself - played a mixture of styles - generally upbeat - nice mixture
>of breakbeats as well. The whole night was over quite quick - only to
>see Cylob (Afx type artist) grab the mike of the mixing desk and shout
>various abuse to the crowd. Before anyone could react Paul had disarmed
>him of the mike and lowered the volume. Hey...who says he can only
>compose music. Paul the bouncer!

Richard H Kirk is a God!. He has many guises, but I can recommend him in
his Nitrogen form on "Intoxica". Damn. I could have gone to this gig as
well. Arse!.

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) MTVs Fanatic
Date: 25 Jul 1998 17:15:29 EDT


In a message dated 98-07-23 02:33:51 EDT, you write:

<< Have any of you chankers out there ever seen this show?  >>

only about five minutes of it, I cant stand the screaming and the acting and
the retarded celebs. christ its just another annoying MTV show.

sam.


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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Loopz/Orbital Remix Competition 1998
Date: 26 Jul 1998 12:13:39 +0100


1997 - we had a remix competition which produced 14 original remixes of
Orbital tracks. The winner(s) received (after Paul finally got round to
it :)   ) a signed copy of the Trupak Promo (worth over 70 quid).

I said i would do another one.

Its started today!

Remix any Orbital track - Closing date Oct 31st 1998.

For the full info and rules

www.hyperreal.org/loopz

MISC section, NEWS section or UPDATES section to find the link to the
1998 Loopz/Orbital Remix Competition.

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Ae
Date: 26 Jul 1998 21:46:40 +0100


At 07:59 25/7/98 -0400, Fr=E9d=E9ric Fournierm5pZXI=3D wrote:
>
>What is LP5's CD packaging like? The vinyl is 2 lp's in a slightly rough,
>beige/grey plain cardboard pocket and the inner sleeves for the 2 lp's are
>U-shaped and white.

All dark grey (slightly rough) plastic, like the inner trays all used to
be. 'autechre' is engraved on the front, and I can just make out the
slightest hint of the 'compact disc digital audio' logo to the right of it.
A white sticker on the front (I wonder how long that'll last), and 'ae'
engraved on the back. Nothing on the spines. Rather like the 'Skampler' CD
case, but grey and less smooth. And I haven't peeled the sticker off,
thinking it's just there to protect the raised braille stuff on the front.=
=20


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From: *Princess Serena* <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Dancing with Wolves?
Date: 26 Jul 1998 14:22:54 -0700


Hey all!

I was listening to the radio and I heard this awesome song. I recognized
a tune from Dancing with Wolves. Anybody else heard this or know who the
heck it is? I figured maybe Moby... not sure please help. Thanks much!

Well, my bit on the show fanatic...
One of the people on that show is from this itty bitty city where I live
and I thought it was pretty cool to see my turf on TV. I do not actually
care for the show, I think it sucks. Speaking of MTV, does anybody have
AMP 2 yet? Any good?

Bye bye!


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #101
Date: 26 Jul 1998 17:13:49 EDT


In a message dated 98-07-22 11:31:09 EDT, you write:

<< I
 have to say, however, that if you dig Permutation (a recent *98* release),
 you should most definitely check out his last album also on Ninja Tune
 called Bricolage ('96). >>
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the Piranha Breaks EP was
better than Bricolage...it had more of an edge to it.  I have yet to hear
Permutation though, so...   Anyway, my point is you should also check out PB.

--matt


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From: Frederic Fournier <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Gescom Minidisc
Date: 25 Jul 1998 20:15:59 -0400 (EDT)



"Not for the faint of heart"?!

This is even WORSE!

This is NOISE! - even if you might call it pretty noise (sortof).

...The name "Gescom" actually appears on Ae's first album, Incunabula,
good thing they separated the two names since then... And if you've heard
"the sounds of machines our parents used", I certainly do not consider
this to be even 10% as crazy as the minidisc is.

I bought a minidisc player for my love of Autechre, talk about *real crazy*
now. But hey. I can record Ae's live act of next week with it too, so
hey. And I will still have earned enough this summer to pay the year of
university, so maybe I wont return this kickass walkman to the sony store
in 8 days after all :)

I wish Orbital and Underworld hurried with their new albums... Autechre
is just for waiting!

Derf

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From: Nub <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) jungle comps/etc
Date: 27 Jul 1998 13:47:52 -0500 (EST)


okay, i know this was just discussed, but i forgot to keep the e-mails.
somebody said that "this is jungle sky" vol 1 is the best jungle
compilation out there. i just saw it in a tower records yesterday. how
hard to find is it? should i have gotten it? also, how is vol. 2 in
comparison? and i asked around about the 187 compilation - it evidently
won't be out in the US for a month or something.

bought the dj icey album "generate" after hearing a really good track
which turned out to be from a different album. (doh!) so far i'm not
really all that impressed. kinda cheesy florida-sounding breakbeats with
unoriginal samples. still, some of it is pretty good. "not a test,"
"vector" and "this is how my drummer drums" are all okay. overall, it
sounds a lot like the first "trip hop acid phunk" comp, which i like, but
which gets old after awhile. not to mention that it was released like 4
years ago.

one more thing: i listened to a squarepusher CD which i thought was okay
but not great. it had a guy pushing a shopping cart on the front. someone
in the store said it was their worst release. which one should i buy?

been listening to mu-ziq's "brace yourself" ep a lot. i think mike p. is
finally getting his "drill and bass" tendencies under control. or at least
he's getting better at it. and those melodies are like candy.

sorry to ramble,
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From: Dave O'Connor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) jungle comps/etc
Date: 27 Jul 1998 14:29:21 -0400



>okay, i know this was just discussed, but i forgot to keep the e-mails.
>somebody said that "this is jungle sky" vol 1 is the best jungle
>compilation out there. i just saw it in a tower records yesterday. how
>hard to find is it? should i have gotten it? also, how is vol. 2 in

It's not too hard to find.

>comparison? and i asked around about the 187 compilation - it evidently
>won't be out in the US for a month or something.

Vol 2 isn't as good as Vol 1 but it's still kicks ass. If you look for
label "Jungle Sky" on cdnow.com you can listen to some samples from JS 1.
1.8.7 has a new album coming out, I think, but "When worlds collide" IS
available in the US (I have it).  You can get it from cdnow or
www.forcedexposure.com


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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Ae
Date: 27 Jul 1998 15:09:09 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> you need to see everytime.  Instead I bought the Basscadet EP which I've
> wanted for a while, and Air's Moon Safari.  Not bad although Kelly, watch
> the stars is the highlight, and really the only trak that stands out besides
> Sexy Boy.  What do you all think.

    The Bass Cadet ep is definitely cool, and I think Moon Safari is one of the
best albums of the year so far. It took a few listens to really get into, but
when you start realizing the care and thought put into every sound on the album,
you start to realize how impressive it is.. I think the bubble sound at about a
minute and a half into the first song is a good example. THey're supposed to be
touring the US this fall.. I'll be there...

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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) jungle comps/etc
Date: 27 Jul 1998 15:17:39 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> okay, i know this was just discussed, but i forgot to keep the e-mails.
> somebody said that "this is jungle sky" vol 1 is the best jungle
> compilation out there. i just saw it in a tower records yesterday. how
> hard to find is it? should i have gotten it? also, how is vol. 2 in
> comparison? and i asked around about the 187 compilation - it evidently
> won't be out in the US for a month or something.

    Yeah, the 187 is called 'Quality Rolls' and won't be out till next month
sometime. And This is Jungle Sky might be a good compilation, but I personally
would not rate it quite that high. I also left out one of my very favorites
(musta been smokin' rock that day...). Renegade Continuum. It's 2 mixed CD's
(or 4 unmixed records) and worth whatever you hafta pay for it. :) Both discs
are mixed by DJ Dara, and other than the first 2 logical progression CD's, it's
probably the best mixed jungle cd around. He uses all the tricks, slowdowns,
wicked beat cuts, and the songs are top notch. One disc is dark and hard, one
is a little (only a little) less dark and very jazzy.

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From: "[halcyon]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) 303
Date: 27 Jul 1998 17:01:20 -0600


what exactly is a 303? all those techno buffs should know. ive heard it,
and references to it, but have no idea what it is. thank you kindly.


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Subject: (orbital) WTF??!!!
Date: 27 Jul 1998 20:08:25 -0400


This looks like it was generated from the Orbital list.  Any clues??

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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 303
Date: 27 Jul 1998 22:03:25 -0400


At 07:46 PM 7/27/98 -0500, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>
>what exactly is a 303? all those techno buffs should know. ive heard it,
>and references to it, but have no idea what it is. thank you kindly.

    a 303 is a Roland TB-303. It's a little gray box smaller than a casio
keyboard with a bunch of knobs on it and a very small keyboard. It makes
wild, screaming, distorted, squelchy, tweaked out basslines, and that's
about it. The clean sounds can more or less be found on any roland
quasi-analog model. For this, it sells for a ridiculously high price.

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From: Dave O'Connor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 303
Date: 27 Jul 1998 23:00:57 -0400


>    a 303 is a Roland TB-303. It's a little gray box smaller than a casio
>keyboard with a bunch of knobs on it and a very small keyboard. It makes
>wild, screaming, distorted, squelchy, tweaked out basslines, and that's
>about it. The clean sounds can more or less be found on any roland
>quasi-analog model. For this, it sells for a ridiculously high price.

What??  You don't listen to much Goa trance do you?

Yes, the TB-303 is a small keyboard with a bunch of knobs that was
ORIGINALLY deigned to create basslines for regular rock bands.  It proved
to be pretty bad at doing this.  However, some people discovered that if
you pushed the 303 to it's limits it made wierd screeching noises.
Unfortunately before they became popular in the techno scene Roland
discontinued them.

I guess there have been many attempts to duplicate it's sound over the
years, with no success.  Roland refuses to make them again though.  They
say that their MC-303 "groovebox" is an acceptable substitute, but it isn't
even close. (I've heard it)  All the Roland substitutes just use samples of
the 303 to recreate the sound, and they don't have the versatility and
range of the original.

Now they sell for big money (around $1200 US I think?) because they are so
rare and SO in demand.  You can't really make great goa trance without one.
 The latest attempt at emulation is called Rebirth (a software program)
that does a very good job of emulating the original 303.  It's VERY close,
probably a good enough substitute for those willing to use it.  It's
certainly a lot better than Roland's crappy MC-303 emulation.

The original poster (mailer?) can search for "TB-303" on the web and
they'll find tons of stuff (including samples I'm sure.  Once you know what
it sounds like you can _always_ recognize it when you hear it.

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From: Ez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 303/rebirth
Date: 28 Jul 1998 10:47:50 +0100


Dave O'Connor wrote:
>  The latest attempt at emulation is called Rebirth (a software program)
> that does a very good job of emulating the original 303.  It's VERY close,
> probably a good enough substitute for those willing to use it.  It's
> certainly a lot better than Roland's crappy MC-303 emulation.

Rebirth sounds great, as we've said a thousand times before.  Has anyone
tried out version 2 yet?  It's due out about now, but a friend of mine
said he had a cracked mac version already.  The main difference is that
you get a 909 as well as an 808 (I think).  The sound is very close to
the original but will never be reproduced completely as there were some
random elements in the circuitry that made the original do some mad
shit  (apparently).

ez


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From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) 303/rebirth
Date: 28 Jul 1998 07:40:52 -0500


Could someone please give me some input on what would be a good software
program for somone who is just getting into making music?  I have most
of the equipment except for software........

Any info would be appreciated

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From: Nub <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) orbital 303s
Date: 28 Jul 1998 10:59:33 -0500 (EST)


okay, here's an interesting request: who out there wants to compile a list
of all the orbital songs which use a 303? here, i'll start: remind. i'm no
trainspotter, but i'm gonna guess that about half the songs on green use
one as well. have the brothers used one at all since the brown album? i'd
love it if they brought back some 303 squelchiness for the new one.

also, i just wanted to point out that use of 303s is in no way limited to
goa trance. you can find it in lots of techno and breakbeat. dj icey, for
instance (his album is growing on me), loves the 303. BT gets a lot of use
out of his on "ima." and we can't forget "everybody needs a 303" by the
guy everyone loves to hate, fatboy slim.

in any case, you've no doubt heard it before - i think i heard one in a
shampoo commercial last night.

also, what's you guys' vote for "best use of a 303 by a techno artist"
(like this was the grammys or something)? i'd like to know of more good
examples of 303-based dance music.

take it easy,
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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) orbital 303s
Date: 28 Jul 1998 11:09:31 -0400 (EDT)


Excerpts from mail: 28-Jul-98 (orbital) orbital 303s by [e-mail]
> also, what's you guys' vote for "best use of a 303 by a techno artist"
> (like this was the grammys or something)? i'd like to know of more good
> examples of 303-based dance music.


For me this is easy - Josh Wink!  'Higher state of Consciousness'
and 'Are you there' have the loudest, most obnoxious, beautiful
acid lines I've ever heard! I have yet to hear anyone else make such
crazy, complicated solos with a 303. Although I'd like to hear more. :)


Regards,
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From: "Halcyon Txn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 303 / 606 / 808 ??
Date: 28 Jul 1998 09:41:31 PDT


>>what exactly is a 303? all those techno buffs should know. ive heard
it,
>>and references to it, but have no idea what it is. thank you kindly.
>
>    a 303 is a Roland TB-303. It's a little gray box smaller than a casio
>keyboard with a bunch of knobs on it and a very small keyboard. It
makes
>wild, screaming, distorted, squelchy, tweaked out basslines, and that's
>about it. The clean sounds can more or less be found on any roland
>quasi-analog model. For this, it sells for a ridiculously high price.

Ok, since we're on to a subject I've been wondering about before and you
people seem to know a great deal about it, would you tell some about 606
and 808 (if there's something called that) too, and clearly distinguish
between the three forms/types.

Or just clarify the terms for me.

Regards,

Trym

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From: Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Fatboy Slim
Date: 28 Jul 1998 12:44:01 -0400


I heard Rockafeller Skank two weeks ago, I remember having seen the video
before (I forget why there was no sound the first time) but this was the first
time I really watched/listened.  I love that frigging song.  It's by no means
'good' but it's good in a bad way, kinda.  It's cheap and easy, but it's really
fun.  Great to dance to and it's been in my head for quite a while now.  I got
the full MP3 asap.  Made me wish I had have gotten an album of his I saw on a
site once (better living thru chemistry, that him?).



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From: "Benjamin Szabo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) 303's
Date: 28 Jul 1998 11:08:37 PDT


for all the acid freaks, check out this website for everything you
wanted to know and didn't know you didn't know about the TB-303.

http://www.teknet.ch/tb-303



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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) orbital 303s
Date: 28 Jul 1998 19:02:16 +0100


At 10:59 28/7/98 -0500, Nub wrote:
>
>okay, here's an interesting request: who out there wants to compile a list
>of all the orbital songs which use a 303? here, i'll start: remind. i'm no
>trainspotter, but i'm gonna guess that about half the songs on green use
>one as well.

Farenheit 303 does! ;-)

>have the brothers used one at all since the brown album? i'd
>love it if they brought back some 303 squelchiness for the new one.

I'd settle for FFRR putting it out this side of christmas.

>also, what's you guys' vote for "best use of a 303 by a techno artist"
>(like this was the grammys or something)? i'd like to know of more good
>examples of 303-based dance music.

It'd have to be Richie Hawtin's remix of System 7's Alpha Wave. 19 and a
half minutes of heaven. And the Chems putting it through a fuzzbox or
whatever on Chemical Beats. And the original acid house track, Phuture's
Acid Tracks.


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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Josh Wink and his 303
Date: 28 Jul 1998 18:34:19 +0100


Well, I heard a little rumour that Josh didn't use a TB-303 for "Higher
State...". Apparently he actually used a Juno (106?). But I may be
completely wrong.

The 606 and 808 (and 909) are all Roland made Drum machines. If you see
anyone ever refering to roland X0X machines they basically mean these
and the 303's. There is loads of information on the web about these
machines, so have a look and prove me wrong. :-)


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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Best use of a TB-303
Date: 28 Jul 1998 18:36:38 +0100


Sorry, but it's gotta be Hardfloor's "Acperience"


p.s Aren't Technics 1210's great? :-)
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Subject: (orbital) orbital 303s
Date: 28 Jul 1998 16:30:32 -0500



BE>okay, here's an interesting request: who out there wants to compile a list
BE>of all the orbital songs which use a 303? here, i'll start: remind. i'm no
BE>trainspotter, but i'm gonna guess that about half the songs on green use
BE>one as well. have the brothers used one at all since the brown album? i'd
BE>love it if they brought back some 303 squelchiness for the new one.
BE>also, what's you guys' vote for "best use of a 303 by a techno artist"
BE>(like this was the grammys or something)? i'd like to know of more good
BE>examples of 303-based dance music.

            Well, there's always 'Higher State of Consciousness' by Josh
Wink. That's probably the song that really did it.. It's excruciatingly
painful to sit and listen to, but it sure does make the dancefloor go
nuts..

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Subject: (orbital) Non Orbital Related but would appreciate it if anyone could help
Date: 28 Jul 1998 20:57:44 +0000


Gang,

Has anyone out there got any package that allows the user to create their
own fonts.  I don't even know if one exists at all, but if anyone has got
one I would appreciate it if you could send me it.

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Subject: Re: (orbital) 303 / 606 / 808 ??
Date: 28 Jul 1998 16:52:18 -0500


HA>Ok, since we're on to a subject I've been wondering about before and you
HA>people seem to know a great deal about it, would you tell some about 606
HA>and 808 (if there's something called that) too, and clearly distinguish
HA>between the three forms/types.

            There's lots more than that - SH-101, MC-202, TB-303,
TR-505, TB-606, TR-707, TR-727, TR-808, TR-909.

Let's see what I can remember..

SH-101 : If I remember correctly, the SH-101 is sort of a combination of
a 303 and an 808, soundwise.
MC-202 : I'm not sure about this one
TB-303 : We've covered this one.
TR-505 : Also not sure about this one
TR-606 : A Beatbox, more or less. Looks a lot like a 303, run on
batteries, not midi-equipped. more or less a toy.
TR-707 : A more equipped drum machine, better than a 606, but not as
good as an 808 or a 909..
TR-727 : I dunno..
TR-808 : My favorite of the bunch. Think about the intro to Out There
Somewhere, the bass sound that sounds like a puff of air. This is one of
the more widely used ones, orbital uses it heavily. Used for a lot of
electro back in the day. It's _the_ hand clap and cowbell.. :)
TR-909 : This is by far the most realistic sounding of all of them.
Really deep bass drum. Used a lot by jungle producers who sequence their
own breaks.

Anyone - I'm sure there are some mistakes here, feel free to correct.
This is off the top of my head.

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Subject: (orbital) Best use of a TB-303
Date: 28 Jul 1998 16:55:30 -0500




TI>p.s Aren't Technics 1210's great? :-)

            There's a girl in town who's a DJ and a trust-fund baby that
has a pair of blue ones, but she's searching for a pair of solid red
ones... ugh. :)

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Subject: (orbital) Josh Wink and his 303
Date: 28 Jul 1998 16:57:34 -0500



TI>Well, I heard a little rumour that Josh didn't use a TB-303 for "Higher
TI>State...". Apparently he actually used a Juno (106?). But I may be
TI>completely wrong.

            I dunno about that, but I'm pretty sure that he used a Nord
Lead in 'Are You There'. There's no way it's a 303. If it's not a Nord,
it's a prophecy. (And at the very least, he's tweaking a Nord in the
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Subject: Re: (orbital) 303 / 606 / 808 ??
Date: 28 Jul 1998 14:07:28 -0700


**
TR-909 : This is by far the most realistic sounding of all of them. Really deep bass drum. Used a lot by jungle producers who sequence their own breaks.
**

Let's not forget that Richie Hawtin is quite fond of the 909. He always spins with one, and is announced as like richie hawtin: dj, 909 and effects.
which reminds me.. about people still interested in finding out info about that autechre/richie hawtin show here in toronto on saturday. the venue will not be announced until the day of. that's the way it works here still. raves etc have moved out of warehouses and into clubs, but the locations are still not announced until the day of. all the info line says (i just called it) is 'licensed downtown concert venue that is not industry'... my guess is that they'll have it at the warehouse or the guvernment.. maybe the concert hall but that would be strange.

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From: "Benjamin Szabo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Josh Wink and his 303
Date: 28 Jul 1998 14:13:41 PDT


>            I dunno about that, but I'm pretty sure that he used a Nord
>Lead in 'Are You There'. There's no way it's a 303. If it's not a Nord,
>it's a prophecy. (And at the very least, he's tweaking a Nord in the
>video..)
>
>-Morey

I'm curious what he used in 'Just a Track' and 'Sixth Sense'. Anyone?

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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Josh Wink and his 303
Date: 28 Jul 1998 18:50:18 -0400


At 06:00 PM 7/28/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>            I dunno about that, but I'm pretty sure that he used a Nord
>>Lead in 'Are You There'. There's no way it's a 303. If it's not a Nord,
>>it's a prophecy. (And at the very least, he's tweaking a Nord in the
>>video..)
>>
>>-Morey
>
>I'm curious what he used in 'Just a Track' and 'Sixth Sense'. Anyone?

    I'll download it at work tomorrow and check it out..

-Morey





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Subject: Re: (orbital) orbital 303s
Date: 29 Jul 1998 00:30:45 EDT


In a message dated 98-07-28 11:00:53 EDT, you write:

<< also, what's you guys' vote for "best use of a 303 by a techno artist"
 (like this was the grammys or something)? i'd like to know of more good
 examples of 303-based dance music.
  >>
oh lord, there was this crazy old rave tune by someone whose name i can't
remember called "insomniac", it had the most blatant use of a 303 i've ever
heard.....it was great.  another wonderful part about that tune was there was
a sample of a guy saying "insomniac...don't come back" or something to that
effect, and when you played it backwards, it said the same thing....


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From: Ez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 303 / 606 / 808 ??
Date: 29 Jul 1998 09:51:22 +0100


> SH-101 : If I remember correctly, the SH-101 is sort of a combination of
> a 303 and an 808, soundwise.

umm...I thought the SH-101 was just a synth, very similar to the 303.  I
could be wrong, haven't seen one in a few months...
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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) orbital 303s
Date: 29 Jul 1998 03:15:56 -0700


>
>            Well, there's always 'Higher State of Consciousness' by Josh
>Wink. That's probably the song that really did it.. It's excruciatingly
>painful to sit and listen to, but it sure does make the dancefloor go
>nuts..


I don't know if he did use a 303 to do it, but how about Aphex Twin's
Ventolin?

cya
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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Autechre concert
Date: 29 Jul 1998 03:23:33 -0700





by the way, is anyone going to the Autechre show in Vancouver?  I'm buying
my ticket tomorrow for $15 cdn and I'm hoping to bribe the bouncer to let me
in.  If not, then I'm hopping through a window or whatever I have to do to
see sean and rob.  Anyways, if you are going, let me now.

Also, was at a huge rave/festival called Apex Project over the weekend.  I
proudly wore digger's orbital t-shirt and showed it off to everyone.  I got
really psyched when one dj played a clip from chime.  I went hardcore but
she only had it on for like a minute.  I tried to coax her to play the rest
by showing her my t-shirt, but the boring  chick just smiled and then her
frown came back. shit, sorry for the ramble.
cya
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Fatboy Slim
Date: 29 Jul 1998 13:07:05 EDT


Am I the only person to never have heard Fatboy Slim? Can someone tell me what
he is like. I think I saw a picture of him once and it look like someone
needed to feed him a steak. But, just tell me about it or send me an MP3 or
tell me where to get on. Thanks. Later.
AJ


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From: Digger <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) sorta o/t  Loreena McKennit
Date: 29 Jul 1998 12:32:04 -0500


Hola and good tidings to all,

    I purchased a Loreena McKennit CD a few weeks ago after hearing her song
"memmers dance."  I was pretty disappointed that I had to go out and buy
the CD single for that song to get the version that I had heard on the
radio.  Never the less I listened to her entire CD and found that I love
it!  Her combination of Drub, Bass, violin, etc..  all the elements of the
songs are just so awesome!  I find when I'm not listening to one of my
Orbital CDs...I'm listening to her.

    I would almost have to say that she is on the same level as Orbital...but
in a different music category.  She has a very Celtic sound to her....it's
so awesome.....every time I hear her I get all goose bumply.....just like I
do when I hear Orbital's Lush....(oh the first 30 seconds of Lush 3-1 are
so awesome!)

    Does anyone else even know who she is?  And does she give you that same
feeling?


Thanks,
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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) sorta o/t  Loreena McKennit
Date: 29 Jul 1998 10:59:45 -0700


**
Does anyone else even know who she is?  And does she give you that same feeling?
**

She is from Stratford, Ontario, about two hours or so from me. you had to buy the cd single to get the version of the song that you hear on the radio, because the version on the radio is a remix.


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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) sorta o/t Loreena McKennit
Date: 29 Jul 1998 11:12:15 -0700


Ive heard this CD at work numerous times as they played it when it was a
new release.  didnt really like it.  I dont know about her being onthe
same level as orbital, but everyone has their opinion.

.MatthewFord.

Digger wrote:
>
> Hola and good tidings to all,
>
>         I purchased a Loreena McKennit CD a few weeks ago after hearing her song
> "memmers dance."  I was pretty disappointed that I had to go out and buy
> the CD single for that song to get the version that I had heard on the
> radio.


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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Fatboy Slim
Date: 29 Jul 1998 15:08:47 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> Am I the only person to never have heard Fatboy Slim? Can someone tell me what
> he is like. I think I saw a picture of him once and it look like someone
> needed to feed him a steak. But, just tell me about it or send me an MP3 or
> tell me where to get on. Thanks. Later.
> AJ

    Try these links:

http://www.astralwerks.com

http://amp.mtv.com

both of these should be able to give you Fatboy Slim overload.

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Subject: Re: (orbital) sorta o/t  Loreena McKennit
Date: 29 Jul 1998 15:12:15 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> <snip, snip>
>         Does anyone else even know who she is?  And does she give you that same
> feeling?

    She's released quite a few albums.. The only thing I've heard of hers besides the
Mummer's Dance was a CD a friend of mine played me about 4 years ago. It was very
traditional Celtic, and the impression I got was that all of her previous albums were
more or less the same, and that the new one was sort of a change..

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From: Kerry Marek <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Johnny Mnemonic
Date: 29 Jul 1998 20:53:32 -0400


hey all..

i just watched Johnny Mnemonic again the other day.. on the tape there was
a ad for the soundtrack and it listed Orbital as one of the bands on it..
damn.. can't remember what the name was.. (saw it in the credits tho.)

could anyone tell me what the name of the song is and where it appears in
the movie (if at all).

thanks.

Kerry... On and On and On (hehe)
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Subject: Re: (orbital) Johnny Mnemonic
Date: 29 Jul 1998 23:24:53 EDT


I believe "Sad But True" was used in a scene towards the beginning of the
movie.  In the bar/nightclub where Ralphie is first seen, SBT is playing while
someone sings over it in falsetto.  ack.... I can't believe I know so much
about that good story turned terrible movie.  o' well...  hope that helped.

-Aaron
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Question
Date: 29 Jul 1998 23:48:37 EDT


This is non-orbital, but lately so is everthing else. I have heard this song
so many times, but never knew who sings it. IT may be called "I can't get no
sleep" but what ever it is called, he says I can't get no sleep enough times
in the song. I asked a DJ I know and he wasn't sure but he said BBE? Does
anyone know who this is? Thanks alot. Later.
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From: Digger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Question
Date: 29 Jul 1998 23:06:59 -0500


What you are referring to would be:

Faithless "Insomnia" on their full length cd Reverence.  Also available as
a CD Single/Maxi Single 07822-13333-2

If you're interested in is further mail me privately I have the CD Single.



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>This is non-orbital, but lately so is everthing else. I have heard this song
>so many times, but never knew who sings it. IT may be called "I can't get no
>sleep" but what ever it is called, he says I can't get no sleep enough times
>in the song. I asked a DJ I know and he wasn't sure but he said BBE? Does
>anyone know who this is? Thanks alot. Later.
>AJ
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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Johnny Mnemonic
Date: 30 Jul 1998 07:54:24 PDT


It is Sad But True (name??) from Snivilization.
It is sung in the bar by some lady.
MP

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Subject: Re: (orbital) Best use of a TB-303
Date: 30 Jul 1998 15:58:52 +0000


At 18:36 28/07/98 +0100, Tim wrote:
>
>Sorry, but it's gotta be Hardfloor's "Acperience"

Unfortunately they rather lessened the impact by copying it hundreds of
times. But they never really matched it, except maybe the dub of Blue
Monday. Then they went on about their new direction with the slower stuff,
and now they all sound like that!
DJ Misjah and DJ Tim's 'Access' is a monster too.

At 00:30 29/07/98 EDT, FishyT99 wrote:

>oh lord, there was this crazy old rave tune by someone whose name i can't
>remember called "insomniac", it had the most blatant use of a 303 i've ever
>heard.....it was great.  another wonderful part about that tune was there was
>a sample of a guy saying "insomniac...don't come back" or something to that
>effect, and when you played it backwards, it said the same thing....

I always thought it said 'Insominac, I must sleep'. I didn't know about the
saying the same backwards thing. That's really clever.


cheers,
Jon

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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) squarepusher
Date: 30 Jul 1998 12:29:07 -0400 (EDT)


Excerpts from mail: 27-Jul-98 (orbital) jungle comps/etc by [e-mail]
> one more thing: i listened to a squarepusher CD which i thought was okay
> but not great. it had a guy pushing a shopping cart on the front. someone
> in the store said it was their worst release. which one should i buy?

um, I think you mean Vic Acid (it is a scene from a grocery store
check out line). I wouldn't say thats the worse one, though I don't
have the albums (yet). I only have the 3 singles, and I think they are
all pretty good. Not sure which I would say is the worst/best.
But I did think Vic Acid is a pretty awesome song, so maybe you
wouldn't be into his other stuff... I've been told that "Feed me
Weird things" is his best work. Thats the first album on Rephlex;
the rest are all Warp releases.
(BTW, Squarepusher is just one guy, Tom Jenkinson)

Regards,
    -Aronne


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Johnny Mnemonic
Date: 30 Jul 1998 16:32:07 +0000


> It is Sad But True (name??) from Snivilization.
> It is sung in the bar by some lady.
> MP

Yes it is.
I think it's a brilliant version.
Does anyone have a recording of that version?
Has it been released in some form or other?

Sven T.


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From: KELL SIMON <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) dimitrifromparisandothers
Date: 30 Jul 1998 12:49:40 -0400


i got sacrebleu yesterday and like it a lot.
for those of you who also like it, and there do seem to be a good number
of you, i would recommend "trip tease" by tipsy, which came out in 1996
on the asphodel label.  the track on that cd called "la bomba atomica" has
one of the greatest loungy melodies ever, and it's all around clever and
has great instrumentation - lots of synthesizers and tripped out effects,
but organic and acoustic sounds as well.
k


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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Johnny Mnemonic
Date: 30 Jul 1998 15:36:06 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> i just watched Johnny Mnemonic again the other day.. on the tape there was
> a ad for the soundtrack and it listed Orbital as one of the bands on it..
> damn.. can't remember what the name was.. (saw it in the credits tho.)
> could anyone tell me what the name of the song is and where it appears in
> the movie (if at all).

    The song is Sad But True. I'm not sure exactly when it plays, but I have a
vision of them running through the junkyard as it's playing.

-Morey

np - nico & trace - amtrak





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From: "Halcyon Txn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Johnny Mnemonic
Date: 30 Jul 1998 14:08:16 PDT



>It is Sad But True (name??) from Snivilization.
>It is sung in the bar by some lady.

Hey Mehul! Long time, no post :)

Anyway, to confirm all these "unconfirmed beliefs" I want to nail it to
the ground that Sad But True was the song in Johnny Mneumonic and that
it was played early, in the bar where you first see the female star
actor (nice, but no good ;) ) where she confronts that dealer? who has
two side-kicks (two other women) and she is laughed of as being
instabile, etc. The music in the background, and rightly suggest more
than once by posters, is Sad But True and a woman sings something else
above that track.

The track I believe is available on the Johnny Mneumonic soundtrack, I'm
not sure it's that much different from the Snivil version. Can't
remember that, so it's up to someone else to confirm. :)

Anyway, you people made me realise how utterly shite that movie is and
now I'll probably see it for the THIRD time again this weekend.. haha..
talk about waste of time ;)


Trym

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From: "Ryan Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) orbital 303s
Date: 29 Jul 1998 18:25:29 -0600


> From: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (orbital) orbital 303s
> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 10:30 PM

> oh lord, there was this crazy old rave tune by someone whose name i can't
> remember called "insomniac", it had the most blatant use of a 303 i've
ever
> heard.....it was great.  another wonderful part about that tune was there
was
> a sample of a guy saying "insomniac...don't come back" or something to
that
> effect, and when you played it backwards, it said the same thing....

"Inssomniak (I Come Back)" by D.J.P.C.

According to www.gemm.com there's an lp of it(I have the concrete mix on
"Technorave 3: Technomania" by Next Plateau Records).  He also released a
12" of "James, Je Ne Trouve Pas Let Mot(Can You Feel The Beat Mr. James)".
It's also on Technorave 4 from Next Plateau/FFRR(as the NYC Remix).  If
anyone want's..I'd be glad to make a small mp3 snippit of Inssomniak..I
will need a server though to place it on though :).

Ryan
np:  Autechre:  "Incunabula"

PS..I just figured that maybe someone would want info about the
song..Here's what's listed in the liner notes of the Technorave comp:

Inssomniak (I Come Back) (concrete mix) D.J.P.C. (B. Van Garsse, M. De San
Antonio, P. Cools) Executive Producer:  Bruno Van Garsse & Michael
Nachtergaele.  Nowdi Music, Brussels Belgium.  A Smash Productions
Recording.



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From: Dave O'Connor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) orbital 303s
Date: 31 Jul 1998 02:02:54 -0400


>anyone want's..I'd be glad to make a small mp3 snippit of Inssomniak..I
>will need a server though to place it on though :).

I'd like that.  I wanna hear what everyone has been talking about.  I would
offer my webspace, but my school has been "cracked down on" kind of.
[e-mail]    http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393

Never trust a man in a blue trenchcoat
Never drive a car when you're dead
            -Tom Waits


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From: Andy Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: SH101/Hardfloor
Date: 31 Jul 1998 08:57:52 GMT



> > SH-101 : If I remember correctly, the SH-101 is sort of a combination of
> > a 303 and an 808, soundwise.
>
> umm...I thought the SH-101 was just a synth, very similar to the 303.  I
> could be wrong, haven't seen one in a few months...

The SH101 was a small, portable monophonic synth. It came with a
carrying strap so you could wear it round your neck like a guitar,
and it had a 'fretboard' handle which you could use as a modulator.
It was flashy for about 6 months in the early 80s but sounded pretty
ropey compared to what came later.

My vote for the greatest 303 record of all time also goes to
Hardfloor's 'Acperience'. The follow up 'Trancescript' was even more
extreme, and I count at least 5 separate 303 patterns playing
simultaneously towards the end. Hardfloor were rumored to have about
a dozen 303s in their arsenal. Either they used them all live or they
hadn't worked out how to multitrack them in the studio! (I once saw
Bill Nelson play live with about 10 Casio VLTones - the first
micro-mini keyboard ever to go on sale - all playing simultaneously.
Hypnotic, but somehow crap at the same time...)

Hardfloor named their first LP 'TB Resuscitation', which set their
agenda to bring back the squelchy sound of the TB303. One track was
called 'Lost In The Silver Box' - also a reference to the wee silver
thing that changed music forever...

Bye for now

Andy Jackson

"You can't have everything. Where would you put it?"
(Stephen Wright)


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) "new age traveler" encounter
Date: 31 Jul 1998 11:27:50 EDT


'ello all.
Isn't it funny how many elderly people think the Internet is the source of
every wierdness on earth?  Yesterday afternoon, I donned my Orbital shirt
(courtesy of Digger) and went to the local post office to mail a package for a
friend.  The postman who often works there seems to be eternally jolly... like
the Santa Claus of postal workers.  I put forth the package.  "Oooo, "
SaintpostofficeNick said with a smile.  "I'll just take that there sir, thank
y'very much.  That'll be seventy-eight cents there...  Woah....  What are the
'new age travelers'?  Is that on the Internet?"  ;)  funny.

-Aaron
t h e s p e c t r e w e b
http://www.bigfoot.com/~amspectre/


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From: "Whiggy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) I was bounced
Date: 31 Jul 1998 14:08:36 -0700


For mysterious reasons, I stopped getting mail on monday. I just got of the
bounce list, and resubscribed. So if anyone sent me any private mail, you'll
have to resend it.

Man, I wish I'd worn earplugs at the Crystal Meth show. The mixing engineers
in this town are morons. Some of those screechy 303 noises were excruciating.

   Whiggy


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From: "Whiggy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: SH101/Hardfloor
Date: 31 Jul 1998 14:22:39 -0700


> My vote for the greatest 303 record of all time also goes to
> Hardfloor's 'Acperience'. The follow up 'Trancescript' was even more
> extreme, and I count at least 5 separate 303 patterns playing
> simultaneously towards the end. Hardfloor were rumored to have about a
> dozen 303s in their arsenal.

Funny how everything twists back on itself. Hardfloor have a demo track on the
new ReBirth 2 disk. (Which gets my vote for best 303 emulator :) I suppose
now they can have practically an infinite array of them.

> Hardfloor named their first LP 'TB Resuscitation', which set their
> agenda to bring back the squelchy sound of the TB303.

I think they're going to get they're wish.


   Whiggy


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From: "Halcyon Txn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Johnny Mneumonic
Date: 31 Jul 1998 18:17:35 PDT


Couldn't help it, I saw the film again just to confirm the song stuff..
It's just the plain version of Sad But True in the bar with the soprano
woman singing.

ALSO!! There is a nifty thing I noticed in the film. When Johnny's in
the computer shop in Newark and just found out about the Newark copy
shop and decides to enter the BBS, the film shows some of its fancy, yet
utterly STUPID Internet/cyberspace graphics BUT through one of the
tunnels you pass, a neon sign is lit with the word ORBITALE.

Passes dreadfully quickly, but worth seeing the film a third time to
notice that now.. ;)

Trym

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