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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Amendment to REMIX Competition Rules - LOOPZ
Date: 01 Aug 1998 08:26:17 +0100


All,

Just a quick mail to inform all of a rule change on the REMIX
COMPETITION.
www.hyperreal.org/loopz/compo98.html

The line regarding the samples and the track must be created by the
remixer and the remix contestant... is now changed to


Sample anything you want - ANYTHING
The Track itself must be created by the remixer AND the person entering
the competition.

The original line was supposed to point out that the remix track must be
entered into the competition by the remixer and not by someone who found
it on the net ...so the sample question - SAMPLE ANYTHING...dont worry
:)

Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine
www.hyperreal.org/loopz
www.hyperreal.org/loopz/compo98.html     (REMIX COMPO)


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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Amendment to REMIX Competition Rules - LOOPZ
Date: 01 Aug 1998 00:32:27 -0700


Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BREAK OUT THE PORN & DISCO SAMPLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



.MatthewFord.

Price, Steve A wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Just a quick mail to inform all of a rule change on the REMIX
> COMPETITION.
> www.hyperreal.org/loopz/compo98.html
>
> The line regarding the samples and the track must be created by the
> remixer and the remix contestant... is now changed to
>
> Sample anything you want - ANYTHING
> The Track itself must be created by the remixer AND the person entering
> the competition.
>
> The original line was supposed to point out that the remix track must be
> entered into the competition by the remixer and not by someone who found
> it on the net ...so the sample question - SAMPLE ANYTHING...dont worry
> :)
>
> Steve LOOPZ Price
> Orbital Zine
> www.hyperreal.org/loopz
> www.hyperreal.org/loopz/compo98.html     (REMIX COMPO)


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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Question
Date: 01 Aug 1998 10:33:37 +0200


Digger wrote:
>What you are referring to would be:
>
>Faithless "Insomnia" on their full length cd Reverence.  Also available as
>a CD Single/Maxi Single 07822-13333-2
>
>If you're interested in is further mail me privately I have the CD Single.

I always wondered how come Insomnia wasn't all that
popular overseas. It's one of those tracks that had a large
impact on me, and which I can listen to over and over again
without getting bored. A few more of those tracks would be
Peshay's Psychosis, Adam F's Circles, Goldie's
Timeless, Underworld's Dirty Epic, Orb's Little Fluffy Clouds,
Apollo 440's Ain't  Talkin' 'bout Dub, Spooky's Little Bullet...
and yes, Sex-O-Sonique's I Thought It Was You :)

However, I disliked other work from Faithless (except for
some Rollo's remixes, like the PSB or Olive tracks) and
DO NOT recommend getting the whole Reverence album.

aside from that, I am alive and well and quitting one
job next week, so now I'm left with only one. yay ! :)

have a lot of catching up to do on the 'net,


Daniel, np: JMJ & Flytronix - In Too Deep
:::::::::::::::::
"if you don't do something, something will do something to you."
---8<------------------------
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[ if under 28.8 don't even think about it ]


ooooooops, I almost forgot to ask something !
a long time ago there was a discussion going on about
what is dub... what IS dub ? is there a definition ?
I can sometimes guess that a track is dub-ish when
there's a lot overdriven bassline, but that's it.
enlighten me (please) !



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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Amazing story
Date: 01 Aug 1998 03:16:10 -0700


Hey everyone.

I have an amazing story to tell about my Thursday night.

Autechre were playing at a club and I couldn't get in, but I went anyways.
The bouncer wouldn't let us in at first, but then later on he let us in for
a small fee of $20 each.  So I got to see Autechre perform live.  They were
absolutely amazing.  Their set contained five or six songs off of the new
album and they played for an hour and a half.  There was no visuals, the
entire show was in the dark.  But that was nothing.  After the show, I was
talking with my buddies and noticed that Sean was signing autographs.  I had
my Incunubula cd in the car but didn't have time to grab it.  So i used an
ae sticker instead.  So Sean signed it and I got to meet him.  He was
extremely nice and he was shocked at how many people showed up.  He was
thanking all of us for being such great fans.  A few seconds later Rob
walked onto the stage and was hanging about their equipment, so I jumped on
stage and got him to sign the sticker as well.  So a miracle did happen on
Thursday night.  I am 17 and got into a 19+ club to see Autechre perform,
and I met them and got their autographs.  I am the happiest person alive
right now.
thanx for sharing in my glory.
cya
morpheus


peace
morpheus


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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Autechre in Toronto update for anybody interested..
Date: 01 Aug 1998 09:15:38 -0700


Okay.. for anybody that cares, the Autechre show here tonight is at The Opera House, which is at the corner of Queen East and Broadview. Tickets are $25 in advance, more at the door. If you are from out of town (more than 4 hours away) you will get preferential entry at the door, even without a ticket. Live acts begin at midnight. You must be there before 2:45am.
416-760-3281

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From: Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Autechre in Toronto update for anybody interested..
Date: 01 Aug 1998 14:06:59 -0400




Aimee Couture wrote:

> Okay.. for anybody that cares, the Autechre show here tonight is at The Opera House, which is at the corner of Queen East and Broadview. Tickets are $25 in advance, more at the door. If you are from out of town (more than 4 hours away) you will get preferential entry at the door, even without a ticket. Live acts begin at midnight. You must be there before 2:45am.
> 416-760-3281

Man, this just kills me.  I can't go.  Son of a....  Something came up and I have to go to Windsor instead.  Well, it's more of my choice, but still.  The Windsor thing is definately more important.

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From: Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital): Question about Commercial
Date: 02 Aug 1998 03:49:06 -0400 (EDT)




Ok, its bugging me.. if anyone can answer, that's cool.

What is the song played during the trailer and TV commercials for that
Drew Barrymore Cinderella movie "Ever After"?  It's like some house/dance
thing that I have heard before but can't figure out what it is.


thanks =)

if you have no clue what I am talking about.. thanks anyhow ;)




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From: "Whiggy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital): Question about Commercial
Date: 02 Aug 1998 03:04:01 -0700


> What is the song played during the trailer and TV commercials for that
> Drew Barrymore Cinderella movie "Ever After"?  It's like some house/dance
> thing that I have heard before but can't figure out what it is.

They play two songs: The Mummer's Dance remix by Loreena McKennitt and
Fable by Robert Miles.

   Whiggy


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From: Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Places to Order..
Date: 02 Aug 1998 17:01:36 -0400 (EDT)




Can some ppl make some suggestions on where to order CDs from,
particularly UK CDs or imports.  I already know of a few (though I have
yet to order from them) but if someone could do a rundown with a few
Internet sites to order from and comment on their timeliness (how long it
takes them to "backorder" something and get it in stock and ship it to
you) etc etc.. I would be very appreciative.

Doug





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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Places to Order..
Date: 02 Aug 1998 14:48:42 PDT


Some of my favorite sites include:
http://www.action-records.co.uk/
http://www.cow.co.uk/
http://www.hard-to-find.co.uk/
http://www.musicshop.co.uk/
http://www.imvs.com
I dont know about waiting times but they are all damn good, especially
imvs.com.
Also, does anyone know of any really good used cd stores on the
internet?  Maybe some based in the UK??  I like secondspin a lot, but I
was wondering if any of you knew of any others.
Thanks a lot.
Peace, love, and happiness.

                               The Mehul

Song of the day: "Analogue Test" by Orbital

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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Content-Type: text/plain
Date: 02 Aug 1998 15:14:00 PDT


Hi all:
Few questions:
First, I am interested in some Orbital t-shirts (I have 3 already, the
space kid boys, the maroon and the blue w/ Orbital on the back.)  But I
was at www.imvs.com and I saw this listed:
Sinners (Orange Ringer/One Size) : Orbital : ú11.59 Add To Basket
Sinners (Sky Blue Ringer/One Size) : Orbital : ú11.59 Add To Basket
Towelling (Olive/One Size) : Orbital : ú14.95 Add To Basket
Towelling (Sky Blue/One Size) : Orbital : ú14.95 Add To Basket
What is that?
Second, Loopz, there was talk or maybe a mention of a possible single to
be released?  What's the deal?
Third, I dont know if I said this before, but there's a store in the UK
that, if it has what it says it does, could just be the most kick ass
store around:
http://www.nashers.demon.co.uk/
Claims that they have Chime, Omen, and their remixes on vinyl.  Also, a
midnight/choice sampler cd.  And a bunch of other stuff.
And last, what is a good Kraftwerk cd to start listening to?  I have
heard that Orbital comes off of Kraftwerk a little.  Who else does
Kraftwerk sound like?
Peace, love, and happiness.

                               The Mehul

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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Posters
Date: 02 Aug 1998 15:48:48 PDT


Orbital posters...what can i get, where can I get them?
I really want the poster for in-sides.
I saw a site that offered a poster for sniv.  I hope I can get that.
Later.
MP

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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Posters (and more)
Date: 02 Aug 1998 17:38:17 -0700


**
Orbital posters...what can i get, where can I get them?
I really want the poster for in-sides. I saw a site that offered a poster for sniv.  I hope I can get that.
**

Just keep your eyes open.. they used to sell the in sides posters at the hmv near me, but not anymore.. however they do sell them at the used cd store up the road from me.. just look and you'll find em..
I saw an ad on muchmusic yesterday saying that they're airing some prodigy concert on monday night.. no info on the webpage though..
Installed win98 today.. no problems which is scary cuz i put it on a 486 dx2/66.. scaaaary

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From: "Sean Strout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Autechre in Toronto update for anybody interested..
Date: 02 Aug 1998 23:13:33 -0400


Personally, I don't think you missed much.  DJ Serum was playing some mellow
trance when
I got there.  Then Autechre came on and played for 70 minutes and it wasn't
anything too
spectacular.  There were some good moments, no doubt.  No visuals, no light
show, which was a
shame, really, because most people were just standing around.

My friend slipped in his mini-disc player (the lady who frisked him couldn't
figure out what it
was so she let him keep it... she did,  however, find the joints and swiped
them, the misearble
wench!  She's probably all pasty faced right about now...). He recorded the
whole Autechre bit,
but the bass may have been too much... He's going to try and salvage it.

At 3pm they opened the doors up to all ages and the place was jammed pack
for Ritchie Hawtin.
Algorhthym played 40 minutes of breakbeat drums and then Ritchie stormed the
place.  The first few
hours were cool (actually, it was hot as hell on the bottom floor), but
somewhere in the 3rd hour I was
just wishing that he would shut it down.  The formula was (julia childs):
turn down the volume, cue a
funky beat, turn up the volume, blast with bass and repeat, how lovely!

But many thanks to the dude who clued me in on Barry Weaver's return to
Toronto on Aug14-15,
groovy.  The e was strong as hell and I didn't mind the 8 hour round trip
drive, so in the end
it was worth it, I guess..  The Toronto scene is extremely cool - people
were still kicking it
at 7am when I left.

And some obligatory Orbital to douse the flames...
So Beverly May who organizes Ritual and other events promoted Orbital
(according to her
author information on that Future Jazz book)?  Was this for Orbital's last
tour or something
else?

peace all,
_sean



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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Autechre in Toronto update for anybody interested..
Date: 02 Aug 1998 20:40:13 -0700


**
The e was strong as hell and I didn't mind the 8 hour round trip drive, so in the end it was worth it, I guess..  The Toronto scene is extremely cool - people were still kicking it at 7am when I left.
**

Yes, the toronto scene is extremely cool. Right brian?? if you like dnb the mother of all drooooolfest parties is coming up. It's put on by Renegades, called Plugged In and it's on 8 august..
In the house/techno room: cj bolland, xl, locals: paul walker, kenny glasgow, myka, jelo, tyler, ashley, stretch & hooker, blake
in the drum and bass room: ss, shy fx, jon b, mc warren g, mc navigator (they're all there for the formation records world of drum and bass tour), locals: mystical influence, sniper, marcus, freaky flow, mc flipside, prime
Tickets are $20 in advance.
But there's always something cool happening here and you can be any age, cept for some weeklies.. if you wanna know the kind of stuff happening here soon check http://webhome.idirect.com/~tdot/Calender.htm........

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From: Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Dream Injection
Date: 02 Aug 1998 23:50:09 -0400 (EDT)




Yo

Does anyone have any of the "Dream Injection" compilations.  There are 5
of them I believe and the artists on them are pretty good.. some Autechre,
a few Orbital tunes, Aphex Twin and lots more.

If you have them, how would you rate them?  Are most of the tunes like
Orbital stuff?  The title would suggestion a lighter, trance-style
tracks.. which is what I like.  Let me know if you have heard them.

And if anyone wants to get rid of them, I'll buy em ;)

thanks!

Doug




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From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Joona_P=F6yh=F6nen?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Vs: (orbital) Dream Injection
Date: 05 Hel 1998 17:34:16 PST


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From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Joona_P=F6yh=F6nen?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Future sound of jazz
Date: 05 Hel 1998 17:39:52 PST


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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: Autechre in Toronto update for anybody interested..
Date: 03 Aug 1998 15:19:21 -0400 (EDT)


Excerpts from mail: 2-Aug-98 Re: (orbital) Autechre in T.. by
@rochester.rr.com
> Personally, I don't think you missed much.  DJ Serum was playing some mellow
> trance when
> I got there.  Then Autechre came on and played for 70 minutes and it wasn't
> anything too
> spectacular.  There were some good moments, no doubt.  No visuals, no light
> show, which was a
> shame, really, because most people were just standing around.


Yeah, Autechre definitely did not play long enough... We were
thinking afterwards, that it could have been a pre recorded tape
for all we could see... it was so damn dark and smoky when they
played that you couldn't see the stage at all. It was still some
cool music though, IMHO.
Hawtin was very cool - the music was rather "formulaic" (is that
a word? :) ) but its a damn nice formula! This was the first show
we've been to in Toronto, and we all were impressed with how cool
the scene was :) It was definitely worth the trip. (I'm a lot
farther away than an 8 hour round trip, too ..)


Excerpts from mail: 2-Aug-98 Re: (orbital) Autechre in T.. by
@rochester.rr.com
>And some obligatory Orbital to douse the flames...
>So Beverly May who organizes Ritual and other events promoted Orbital
>(according to her
>author information on that Future Jazz book)?  Was this for Orbital's last
>tour or something
>else?

Well, I'm not sure, but we were talking to some guys while waiting
to get in, and they said orbital played here 2 years ago (in the
Opera House) so I would guess she organized that as well...


Regards,
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From: "Henry Cooke" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Question
Date: 03 Aug 1998 19:31:04 +0100



-----Original Message-----


>
>However, I disliked other work from Faithless (except for
>some Rollo's remixes, like the PSB or Olive tracks) and
>DO NOT recommend getting the whole Reverence album.


I kinda like that album..admittedly, there are a few duff tracks (Baseball
cap springs to mind...), but the good tracks really stand out...Salva Mea,
Insomnia, and I actually really like Don't Leave. It's definitely one to
listen to before you buy..
But then, my tastes are pretty varied...:)

Cheers,

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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) the individual from des moines, ia
Date: 03 Aug 1998 15:55:12 PDT


Hi:
Sorry to waste time, but can the individual from des moines, ia please
send me a message.  I seem to have lost their e-mail address.
continue now with normal business.
MP

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From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgRm91cm5pZXI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Autechre in Montreal update...   :-)
Date: 03 Aug 1998 22:56:06 -0400


Whew, back from a wild trip of drinking and smoking and more drinking and
yelling and drinking and smoking and having fun in Montreal all week-end
with my friends and my cousins and my cousins' friends... But I guess that's
not what you wanna hear, right?

So Autechre at Le Medley friday night did pretty much the same thing the
same way as on saturday in Toronto... 60-75 minutes, on a stage with no
special light effects (they were mostly in darkness) and most people didn't
know what to do, how to dance or whatever they just stood around while a few
crazier ones on dope or something were having the time of their life dancing
like shit...

I didn't know what to expect of them live, mostly they concentrated on the
rythmic part of the music and there was like no melody ever, just
"accompanying noises" at most, and that kinda sucked coz couldn't they have
programmed something or whatever? Well it was interesting to listen to,
sure, but no great trip either.

Dave Kristian right before Ae JUST PLAIN *SUCKED* he was playing around with
some loopin synths (not 303s), with the same crazy people dancing like hell
but most of us were trying not to fall asleep... The best description of his
gig would be Carl Orff gone techno. God were we glad to see him leave.
People were actually yelling at him to leave at the end. But hey if he wants
to play around on his bigbucks equipment in his basement, fine, just make
sure you have a finished product to offer before you go and bore people with
it! Oh well.

DJ Chantal was real great right before him, I'm not especially good at
evaluating a dj's skills but I liked what she did. Was she in Toronto too?

For those who were hoping for mp3's, I messed up the recording... First I
had a crappy microphone and then I'm not sure but maybe the md recorder was
set on high mic sensitivity coz It sounds like the music was ten times
louder than what the recording level was at. To make it simple, I fouled it
up big time, I should've had some more time to make sound tests in loud bars
downtown or something... I'll do that for next time. Ae's supposed to do a
more big-scale tour this fall so I can get a second try then.

Also, there wasn't any problem at all slipping the recorder into the
Medley... maybe because they were in a hurry to let us all in since they
were over an hour late for opening the doors? Anyway, we were the first at
the front of the lineup so we got great places right in front of the stage,
by the sound console.

Derf

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Subject: (orbital) Cygnus X
Date: 04 Aug 1998 11:41:58 -0400 (EDT)




Has anyone heard the CD Hypermetrical by Cygnus X?  How would you
describe it?

Any help would be appreciated.

thanks!

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From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:11:42 -0500
Date: 04 Aug 1998 13:13:40 -0600


Anyone know of any good places to download Orbital MP3s or Videos?


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From: "Wouter Hermans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) a fest on the hill indeed, cows too
Date: 04 Aug 1998 20:09:08 +0200


yesyes i'm back, now speaking fluentlisch german, so my english will be bad
for a week or so...
anything happened?  if you said something to me in the last 2 weeks, without
private emailing me, please repeat cuz i missed it probably...

and yes, they have huge beers in austria... mountains too, but that's
another story.

wouter hermans
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From: Aimee Couture <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:11:42 -0500
Date: 04 Aug 1998 16:43:46 -0400


**
Anyone know of any good places to download Orbital MP3s or Videos?
**

ACK! Wait.. i'll be nice.. *aimee shuts her mouth and slowly backs away*..

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From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital)
Date: 04 Aug 1998 15:49:16 -0500


Now now aimee, please remember that some of us are new to
this...........

Please say what you feel, but be gentle.


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From: Aimee Couture <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital)
Date: 04 Aug 1998 17:29:00 -0400


At 15:49 98/08/04 -0500, you wrote:
>Now now aimee, please remember that some of us are new to
>this...........
>Please say what you feel, but be gentle.

I think you'd rather not have my opinion on this one. Right loopz? Let me
just say that orbital is a sacred thing to me, and i'd be putting it mildly
if i was to say that i hate finding orbital mp3s.

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From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital)
Date: 04 Aug 1998 16:47:43 -0500


> Well I will say this.....in the few months since I have become
> familiar w/ Orbital's music, I must say that it overtakes by far,
> ANYTHING else that I have ever heard!  I love the music and nothing
> can replace it.
>
> I just heard of MP3's only two days ago. I just figured it was an
> easier and more compressed version of a .wav file.   Am I incorrect in
> thinking this?
> Please give me your view....I am open to change.  Please remember,
> everyone was in my position at one time or another.
>
> CK
>
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From: Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Other Techno Mailing Lists
Date: 04 Aug 1998 19:30:45 -0400 (EDT)



Can someone tell me information on other electronica mailing lists or
where I can get such information?

thanks!




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Subject: (orbital) Robert Miles question
Date: 04 Aug 1998 20:02:17 EDT


I've been looking around for a place to give a listen to the newest Robert
Miles album.  I enjoyed his earlier work quite a bit but wanted to know if
anyone out there has heard it and could give me an opinion.  Thank you
bunches.
  Brian


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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) New Single?
Date: 05 Aug 1998 01:07:49 +0100


>Second, Loopz, there was talk or maybe a mention of a possible single to
>be released?  What's the deal?

Still talk at the moment..it will happen but the question of when is
another matter.
Ive heard the potential single (Auntie on Vocals) - awesome.

Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine
www.hyperreal.org/loopz


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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Loopz 5 - Review - Channel 4 UK
Date: 05 Aug 1998 01:21:54 +0100


All,

Loopz 5 Got reviewed on The Void on Channel 4 , UK.

<quote>
"Detailed and visually 'together', Loopz concentrates mainly on Orbital,
but also includes profiles of unsigned electronic acts, Autechre,
Kraftwerk and an exclusive U-ziq interview".
<unquote>

US and Uk Addresses available if u are interested in purchasing the
zine.

Http:\\www.hyperreal.org\loopz\issue5.html for more info

All the best

Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine.
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From: "Mike George" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Loopz 5 - Review - Channel 4 UK
Date: 04 Aug 1998 20:26:29 -0700



>
>Steve LOOPZ Price
>Orbital Zine.
>www.hyperreal.org/loopz


mail me ya slag :P

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From: Kel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Robert Miles question
Date: 04 Aug 1998 22:41:25 -0400


[e-mail] wrote:

> I've been looking around for a place to give a listen to the newest Robert
> Miles album.  I enjoyed his earlier work quite a bit but wanted to know if
> anyone out there has heard it and could give me an opinion.  Thank you
> bunches.

Hey brian, I'm a Robt Miles fan, and if you want my opinion on his 2nd
album, it's not too bad. The title is '23am' and the songs were inspired
by what he saw and experienced on his dreamland world tour. Most songs
on the album have vocals, go to www.lyrics.ch and see the set of lyrics
I turned in there :)  Each song has lots of wierd whispered lines about
the 'universal language' which I presume is music. Still the songs with
no vocals are best--Maresias and Textures are a lot like his first
album. The other stuff is a pretty new style. www.musicblvd.com has some
sound clips if you're interested.  good luck :)
                            KEL


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Subject: Re: (orbital) Robert Miles question
Date: 05 Aug 1998 01:19:01 EDT


In my opinion, the newer Robert Miles CD pales in comparison to the first. I
bought 23AM the first week it came out, and the only decent song was the first
one. Of course, I have not listened to it in a while to be sure that the album
sucks, but there is a reason I have not listened to it. Maybe you will see it
similar to the first.

Also,
    I just picked up the faithless full CD today and it is pretty good. Insomnia
is good, but pretty much the whole album is good. I had heard Rollo and Sister
Bliss's names before, but didn't know about Faithless. And, here is my
question:
    Track 2  - DON'T LEAVE - did that song get a lot of like Top 40 radio play or
was that a cover or was it covered, because I knew half the words before I
even put it into the CD player. Thanks. Later.
AJ


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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Autechre in Toronto update for anybody interested..
Date: 04 Aug 1998 23:27:04 -0700


>Yeah, Autechre definitely did not play long enough... We were
>thinking afterwards, that it could have been a pre recorded tape
>for all we could see... it was so damn dark and smoky when they
>played that you couldn't see the stage at all. It was still some
>cool music though, IMHO.
>Hawtin was very cool - the music was rather "formulaic" (is that
>a word? :) ) but its a damn nice formula! This was the first show
>we've been to in Toronto, and we all were impressed with how cool
>the scene was :) It was definitely worth the trip. (I'm a lot
>farther away than an 8 hour round trip, too ..)


That's a shame, here in Vancouver, they had no visuals and the lights were
all off, but you could still see what they were doing.  There was what
looked like tiny little candles around their equipment, and there were
larger candles on the speakers.  IMO, you don't need trippy visuals to go
with the music.  Their music is so brilliant, it's an experience on it's
own.

cya
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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) shopping
Date: 04 Aug 1998 23:50:12 -0700


Hey,

Bought some cd's this week and got some all right deals.

I bought Underworld's Second Toughest in the infants.  This is my first
Underworld cd, and I do have to say that I am impressed.  I expected them to
be a bit more unoriginal, don't ask why.  I find their music to be actually
quite brilliantly arranged.  Juanita is killer and isn't trak 2 used for the
theme of MTV News or something like that?  Very familiar sound.  Oh, I only
paid $9.99 cdn for this.

Also bought SAW II from Aphex Twin.  Totally different from the other Aphex
Stuff that I have.  Very beautiful and brilliant.  Completely ambient
though.  Which trak number is Ble Calx, and can someone explain the trak
listing?  I do realize that instead of names, they were given pictures, but
which picture corresponds with what song?  I paid only $17.99 cdn for this.

And today I got LP5 from Autechre.  Had to grab this after seeing them live.
What an amazing album.  Well worth $27.99 cdn.  Their style has totally
changed.  I think that their cover/case idea is brilliant and so original.
And same with the cd having no print.  One question though.  Can the cd be
played on either side, and will it fuck up my cd player to play the disk
upside down?  Was wondering if the music would be backwards if played upside
down?  I just don't want to accidently stick the cd in my cd player upside
down sometime and toast it.

thanx for reading.
morpheus

PS- just started to study/practice the High Magickal Arts, anyone else into
this?



peace
morpheus


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From: Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Quality Request - Please help =)
Date: 05 Aug 1998 02:54:21 -0400 (EDT)




Looking for anyone who has heard stuff by the following electronica groups
and let me know your opinion of their style (close to Orbital?  etc)

Cygnus X - they have the first song on the Sasha and John Digweed Northern
Exposure West Coast edition.  Cool song.  Rest as good?  They have one CD
available called Hypermentalation or something weird.

Giez - On the Hypnotic compilation "17 Trips in Trance" with the song
Organ Gents.  They have one CD called The Ambient Room

Trance Pacific Express - Anyone have this compilation?

Finally, I have a CD by Astralasia called The Seven Pointed Star which is
very good.  They have a few other CDs; anyone a fan of this group and
could tell me which of their other CDs sounds similar to this style (or
if they all do)

I really appreciate the help.

Doug




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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) underworld question
Date: 05 Aug 1998 09:31:18 +0200


i am sorting out my underworld collection and i am missing
one vital bit of information... freur's 'get us out of there' ,
what year is that ? Also, i'd like to talk in private to anyone
who has darren emmerson essential mix disc 2...i have a few
questions about that.

thanks,

ps i can't believe nobody bothered to answer my question on
what dub is...

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From: "Whiggy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) remixing definitions
Date: 05 Aug 1998 06:39:59 -0700


> ps i can't believe nobody bothered to answer my question on
> what dub is...

Yeah, I'd like a specific definition of that myself. Actually, I've looked quite a bit
around the net and found nothing that adequately defines remixing terminology.

To the best of what I've been able to gather, these are the definitions I've heard:

Dub: A version focusing on a particular element of a song (usually the bass)
and excluding others. Often, I've found, they tend to have a hip hopish, reggae
influence, to varying degrees.

Mix: An alternate version by the original artists (but that's not always the case).
Mix and remix are somewhat interchangeable, but their definitions seem to vary
slightly.

Remix: A whole new song usually containing elements of the original.

Well, that's my understanding of those terms anyway. If you people have a
different definition, I'm curious to hear it.

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From: "Whiggy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Autechre in Toronto update for anybody interested..
Date: 05 Aug 1998 06:40:02 -0700


> That's a shame, here in Vancouver, they had no visuals and the lights were
> all off, but you could still see what they were doing.  There was what
> looked like tiny little candles around their equipment, and there were
> larger candles on the speakers.  IMO, you don't need trippy visuals to go
> with the music.  Their music is so brilliant, it's an experience on it's
> own.

Sounds like a nice contrast from the blinding rack of high beam headlights
flipped on and off at the Crystal Meth show. Don't get me wrong, I liked the
show, but for anyone who plans on going to see them in the future, be prepared
for "Full Sensory Assault", as I've dubbed it. Unfortunately, the shows where on
the same night, and I didn't even know Autechre where here until it was over.

   Whiggy


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) remixing definitions
Date: 05 Aug 1998 13:54:33 +0000


These words as I know them.

The mix: The recorded or live input which is balanced and put out in stereo.

Remix: Rebalancing of levels and perhaps excluding some parts and adding others.
The remix can be done from the final stereo mix.
DJing is in many ways to do a live remix, because elements from different songs are
superimposed on each other, the length is altered, scratching -adding a 909 on the fly etc.
etc.
The reason why alot of remixes are done by DJs, they're good at working from a stereo mix.

Dub: A new style of reggae which emerged in the late 70s. Very chill and often accentuating
bass-lines. Basically the hashish version of reggae(Very cool to play when you're stoned).
Nowadays popular among remixers which often add dub elements(in particular the
basslines) to songs.


Sven T.


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Subject: (orbital) remixing definitions
Date: 05 Aug 1998 13:56:25 +0000


Dub: A new style of reggae which emerged in the late 70s. Very chill and often accentuating
bass-lines. Basically the hashish version of reggae(Very cool to play when you're stoned).
I forgot to add - also very cool to listen to when you're stoned.


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From: Aimee Couture <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:11:42 -0500
Date: 05 Aug 1998 10:21:16 -0400


At 22:48 98/08/04 -0400, you wrote:
>>ACK! Wait.. i'll be nice.. *aimee shuts her mouth and slowly backs away*..
>
>Yeah you'd better, this is *not* a discussion (no make that flame war) that
>we ought to start on here...

i was a good little gurlie and i answered in private and without the use of
flaming at all. in fact, what i said was:

Orbital's music is wonderful and magical and amazing and better than
anything i've ever heard. and that's mostly why i'm against mp3s of their
work. mp3s are just another audio format, you're correct in that, but i
don't like them because like when you buy a cd you're supporting the
artist. and if we don't support the hartnolls and just listen to mp3 copies
of their work.. who will support them? i don't know why i have this
position about orbital, because i only have it about them.. maybe cuz i've
met them and know just how human and kind they are.. unlike other groups..
i couldn't give a fuck about other groups.. but as i've told you before,
orbital is sacred to me.

There. I can be a good gurl and get my point across without flaming.

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From: [e-mail] (Don Thompson)
Subject: (orbital) Re: shopping
Date: 05 Aug 1998 09:31:36 -0600


Hey morpheus and everyone else,

Just writing to say that putting LP5 in your CD player upside down will
not fuck it up, but it will most likely not play anything either. I had a
similar problem with Analogue Bubblebath 3 by AFX. The CD has no markings
on either side, so the first time I tried to play it, it didn't work. My
CD player said "No Disc" and I took it out and flipped it...no harm done.
I hope that helps.

TTYL,
Don Thompson
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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) shopping
Date: 05 Aug 1998 15:46:43 +0000


At 23:50 04/08/98 -0700, morpheus wrote:

>And today I got LP5 from Autechre.

A truly wonderful album.

> One question though.  Can the cd be
>played on either side, and will it fuck up my cd player to play the disk
>upside down?

I don't think it'll fuck it up. I tried that ages ago and all I heard was
the laser skipping around the surface as if it was trying to find the
music. I never tried it many times as there was no interesting effect. I
couldn't comment on the long-term effects of putting CDs in upside down.
I'd rather hear the music.

>  Was wondering if the music would be backwards if played upside
>down?

I guess they may have put music on the other side. I'll give it  a try
tonight. I'm no expert, but I can't see any reason why both sides couldn't
contain music, as long as the metal inside was thick enough for the pits
not to show through. You've got me wondering now, morpheus! It'd be really
cool if the reverse side contained the same music backwards. MAybe I've
been putting it in the wrong way up and have been listening to it backwards!


cheers,
Jon

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Trance Pacific Express
Date: 05 Aug 1998 15:56:26 +0000


At 02:54 05/08/98 -0400, Doug Radcliffe wrote:

>Trance Pacific Express - Anyone have this compilation?

Yeah, I've got it. It's OK, though not a patch on most of the others in the
series. Or maybe it's just that when it came out I wasn't into that kind of
music all that much. If you've seen it quite cheap then I'd say get it,
otherwise have a listen (or see what other people have got to say about
it). I can;t really comment on individual tracks 'cos I've never listened
to it much. Perhaps that tells you enough about it...

cheers,
Jon

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Aimee and her mp3s
Date: 05 Aug 1998 16:13:46 +0000


At 10:21 05/08/98 -0400, Aimee Couture wrote:

>but i
>don't like them because like when you buy a cd you're supporting the
>artist. and if we don't support the hartnolls and just listen to mp3 copies
>of their work.. who will support them?

I'd always rather have a CD, if only because then I don't have to boot the
PC up to listen to music. I agree that full bootleg mp3s of easily
available CDs are out of order, but what about when you can't find the CD
to buy it?


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Jon

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From: Ken Pittman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Aimee and her mp3s
Date: 05 Aug 1998 12:16:32 -0400 (EDT)


> I'd always rather have a CD, if only because then I don't have to boot the
> PC up to listen to music. I agree that full bootleg mp3s of easily
> available CDs are out of order, but what about when you can't find the CD
> to buy it?

Good point, and it reminds me of something I wanted to ask. Is "The Visit"
by Orbital available anywhere on CD? If not is it available (sorry Aimee) in
MP3? I have looked everywhere for it, I WANT to buy it. Thanks for any help.

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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Aimee and her mp3s
Date: 05 Aug 1998 12:49:32 -0400 (EDT)


Excerpts from mail: 5-Aug-98 (orbital) Aimee and her mp3s by Jon
[e-mail]
> >but i
> >don't like them because like when you buy a cd you're supporting the
> >artist. and if we don't support the hartnolls and just listen to mp3 copies
> >of their work.. who will support them?
>
> I'd always rather have a CD, if only because then I don't have to boot the
> PC up to listen to music. I agree that full bootleg mp3s of easily
> available CDs are out of order, but what about when you can't find the CD
> to buy it?

I will often download mp3's so I can listen to the music before I buy
it - I don't see any other way, because you don't hear this stuff on
the radio :)
For example I downloaded Logical Progression 2 and Adam F's Colours,
(the whole albums encoded as mp3). I like L.P.2 a lot , so I went out
and bought it... Colours I didn't like very much so I just deleted
the mp3's. Saved me a few bucks, by preventing me from buying a CD
that I would not have liked...
I also do collect some mp3's of rare stuff, that I might not be able
to buy, or if there is like 1 track on an album that I like but
the rest of it sucks so I can't justify buying the whole album.
I suppose that is still stealing the music, but that is the way I
rationalize my audio piracy...


Regards,
    -Aronne


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From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Aimee and her mp3s
Date: 05 Aug 1998 12:14:31 -0500


To be very blunt........Let's see what the guys think:

M=A0- =A0 How do you guys feel about your music going across on the
Internet?=20
        Phil=A0-=A0 It's smart. It's good.=20
M=A0 - You're being very generous with letting us record stuff like =
this,
with a profit free webcast. There's a lot of bands that would utterly
panic about this, claim ownership and not want to have this happen.=20
        Paul=A0 - Put it this way: If I walk through Camden market
and see a bootleg of one of our gigs, I smile, I'm happy about it, you
know what I mean? I think it's good because it never takes over. Music
on the Internet might one day, but the quality normally is sub CD
standard so people sort of decide whether they like something but they
go out and buy a CD anyway.=20

Obviously there is a fine line.....I think we should know where to draw
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From: "Wouter Hermans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: (orbital) underworld question
Date: 05 Aug 1998 20:09:00 +0200


>>i am sorting out my underworld collection and i am missing
>>one vital bit of information... freur's 'get us out of there' ,
>
>>what year is that ?
>
>don't ask me but i know http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?underworld or
>http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?freur or something would come up with
>a list...
>
>offcourse it could be that it isn't in the discography (like my born
>slippy.nuxx release, or pearls girl 14996 and bs.nuxx on the jbo collection
>2)...  there's always dirty.org with useful links for stuff...
>
>> Also, i'd like to talk in private to anyone
>>who has darren emmerson essential mix disc 2...i have a few
>>questions about that.
>
>
>maybe dirtylist stuff for that? (if you're not on it already...)  dirty.org
>for info
>
>>ps i can't believe nobody bothered to answer my question on
>>what dub is...
>
>
>only thing i know about "dub" is "ain't talking about du-ub" in some apollo
>440 song...
>
>>"watching windows. do they know what i know ?"
>for some reason i like/dislike that reprazent song...
>
>wouter hermans
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From: "Wouter Hermans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Aimee and her mp3s... oddly enough i arrived at underworld
Date: 05 Aug 1998 20:08:39 +0200


argh i hate the reply thing... first you think "weird, howcome my mails
don't show up in the list" and then you remember that of the 3 lists you are
subscribed too, only the dirtylist mails reply to the list directly...

>>>but i
>>>don't like them because like when you buy a cd you're supporting the
>>>artist. and if we don't support the hartnolls and just listen to mp3
>copies
>>>of their work.. who will support them?
>>
>>I'd always rather have a CD, if only because then I don't have to boot the
>>PC up to listen to music. I agree that full bootleg mp3s of easily
>>available CDs are out of order, but what about when you can't find the CD
>>to buy it?
>
>
>i have 3 mp3's... one of them is underworld's born slippy (not the nuxx,
but
>the difficult-to-find-it-seems one). it's recorded from a cd. another is
the
>same born slippy but taken from radio (some guy was wondering what it was,
>he couldn't believe it was born slippy) and i have a mp3 of an underworld
>gig (pearl's girl+confusion the waitress)
>
>now, these mp3's i'm intended to keep.  i don't expect born slippy to be
>found anytime soon on a 12" or cd, and the live gig bit...  well, i've seen
>underworld live once, and their album songs sound so different than what
>they do live...  and to feel the thrill once in a while, i like to put up
>that mp3... after connecting a cable from the back of my computer to the
>back of the stereo here...
>
>mp3 and cd/vinyl can have the same quality, but it is more fun to hold the
>disc in your hand and show it to people, than say "ey, i got a mp3"...
>everyone can get a mp3 of everything...  but it's just not the real
thing...
>
>... and try to mix with a mp3 :)
>
>... hmmm absolutely unnecesarry rambling... i must be sleepy...
>
>the person who had bought second toughest in the infants from underworld...
>get your hands asap on dubnobasswithmyheadman...  and if you can find
>rez/cowgirl and spikee...
>
>wouter hermans
>http://bewoner.dma.be/whermans/
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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Robert Miles question
Date: 05 Aug 1998 15:47:42 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> I've been looking around for a place to give a listen to the newest Robert
> Miles album.  I enjoyed his earlier work quite a bit but wanted to know if
> anyone out there has heard it and could give me an opinion.  Thank you
> bunches.

    I didn't think it was nearly as good. Not that it's bad, it was just
disappointing. If i remember correctly, there were only 2 songs even
approaching 'dance' music. It was a lot like the last album minus the beats.
It's still pleasing to the ear, but I didn't find it very pleasing to the
brain. (please note this is only my opinion. i always urge people to go to
blockbuster (or cdnow, someplace that lets you listen before you buy) and
listen to it for yourself before you make a decision..)

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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Aimee and her mp3s
Date: 05 Aug 1998 16:18:27 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> > I'd always rather have a CD, if only because then I don't have to boot the
> > PC up to listen to music. I agree that full bootleg mp3s of easily
> > available CDs are out of order, but what about when you can't find the CD
> > to buy it?
> I will often download mp3's so I can listen to the music before I buy
> it - I don't see any other way, because you don't hear this stuff on
> the radio :)

    What about stuff that's been out of print for years? I have somewhere in the
vicinity of 20 orbital CD's and probably 7 or 8 records. No one can accuse me of
not supporting them, but if I can find something off one of their early singles to
download in .mp3, I'm not going to feel guilty about it. I agree that the rampant
piracy that's going is getting out of control, and that you can't really have it
one way without getting the other as well. I'm not offering a solution, just
remember that there are two sides to every coin.

-Morey







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From: "Benjamin Szabo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) remixing definitions
Date: 05 Aug 1998 13:53:57 PDT


>Dub: A new style of reggae which emerged in the late 70s. Very chill
and often accentuating
>bass-lines. Basically the hashish version of reggae(Very cool to play
when you're stoned).
>I forgot to add - also very cool to listen to when you're stoned.

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From: "Halcyon Txn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) New Single? (what would be your ideal single)
Date: 05 Aug 1998 14:16:52 PDT


>>Second, Loopz, there was talk or maybe a mention of a possible single
to
>>be released?  What's the deal?
>
>Still talk at the moment..it will happen but the question of when is
>another matter.
>Ive heard the potential single (Auntie on Vocals) - awesome.


Oooh that would be good, and I'd not mind seeing a live version of Kein
Trink Wasser make it on to single too... think of it, maybe there could
be this picture of a tap with rinning water being poured into a
laboratory glass with the radioactive symbol on.. nja...

anyway, ideal track listing for a new single...

1. <new track>
2. Halcyon live <only Belinda Carlisle sampling, not Bon Jovi>
3. Kein Trink Wasser live

mmmmmmmmm...

i'm babbling again..

Trym

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From: STARpango <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Robert Miles question
Date: 05 Aug 1998 17:11:46 -0500


>[e-mail] wrote:
>
>> I've been looking around for a place to give a listen to the newest Robert
>> Miles album.  I enjoyed his earlier work quite a bit but wanted to know if
>> anyone out there has heard it and could give me an opinion.  Thank you
>> bunches.

    23am isn't bad in fact i would consider it an extention of
Dreamland.  When 23am first came out i bought 5 extra copies for friends to
listen to.  There are some damn good tracks on there...especially Maresias,
Everyday Life, Textures and Full Moon.  Speaking of Full Moon check out the
italian import...running about the usual $10 for 11 remixes and mixes.  2
are most notably by Fluke and i found them wonderful.  Now if Miles could
only do a single of Maresias!!!  cheers.




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From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgRm91cm5pZXI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Autechre in Toronto update for anybody interested..
Date: 05 Aug 1998 17:26:48 -0400


>That's a shame, here in Vancouver, they had no visuals and the lights were
>all off, but you could still see what they were doing.  There was what
>looked like tiny little candles around their equipment, and there were
>larger candles on the speakers.  IMO, you don't need trippy visuals to go


Well in Montreal they had the same sort of small lights on sticks that dj's
have over their turntables to see what they're doing... It was pretty
interesting to watch how they were working since the two of them are so
close together all surrounded with equipment, and they dont seem to be
steppin on each other's shoes too much though they do have a tendency to
stretch over one another to reach a dial or something...

We had a clear line of sight right in front of them on the balcony, which
was nice. There was some lighting, but very little, most of the time only
blue laserfans turning this way and that, all on automatic. The
lightsconsole man occasionally showed up to change something, and at the
very beginning when Dave Kristian left he did light a fan-like array of 4 or
5 spotlights on the floor behind them, pointing upwards, for 2-3 minutes.

Grats for the autographs!

Derf

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From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgRm91cm5pZXI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) shopping
Date: 05 Aug 1998 17:36:07 -0400


Re Ae's new album...

> I think that their cover/case idea is brilliant and so original.

Are you sure? I find that "interesting" is the strongest word I'd use...

I find it is in the same vein as the "2 or 3 patches of flat-colored
squares" type of painting...

Minimalistic. Not brilliant. Original? Well, every CD I have has a
silver-shiny-rainbow side, the only originality of Ae is that they have two!

If you're looking for brilliant, get a second, long look at Orbital's In
Sides. Original? Rush's Counterparts was my favorite before In Sides... And
figuring out the print on Underworld's Dubnobasswithmyheadman or which
bodyparts are used for Aphex Twin's RDJ album can be entertaining on a rainy
day...

Hey the subject of the message was shopping, well I finally found Polygon
Window's Surfing on sine waves in Montreal this weekend! woohoo! And I
didn't even have to go to their huge HMV (which I regret not having done -
I'll have to return). I also bought mu-ziq's lunatic harness, which is not
quite so much a rarity, and it's the only one I've had time to listen to
until now, and I'm not terribly excited yet, but I think I'll end up liking
it.

blah blah blah!



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From: michael palisano <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) New Orbital album... from hell!!!
Date: 05 Aug 1998 17:50:13 +0000


A nightmare tracklist....

1. "I'm a raver wanna-be!" - madonna on vocals
  ** to grab attention of 'rolling stone' and 'spin'

2. "I'm a scary fire-breathing dragon!" - keith flint on vocals?
  ** to grab attention of 'raygun' and 'alternative press'

3. Collaboration with Filter - "Quality Seconds (crystal method remix)"

4. Puff Daddy, Jimmy Page and Orbital do "Stairway in Heaven" for the
next Star Wars movie.

5. 7 minutes of Belching and vomiting (looped and unlooped, looped again
like 'time becomes' on brown - busted up by "Rock Me Amadeus" sample
just to annoy anyone who may have gotten into the song's groove.)
  ** so the mainstream US press doesn't mistake Orbital for the "Next
big thing."


6. Second CD: 75 minute long collaboration with Goldie and Alex
Patterson that is so boring it makes you wish you were dead. only good
part is 30 seconds buried in middle that Goldie and Alex Patterson let
Orbital do themselves.

he-he
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Subject: (orbital) Aphex Twin Merchandise
Date: 05 Aug 1998 18:58:59 -0400


I'm really hankering for a new hat, and I would really like a nice black
one with a silver or white Aphex logo on the front.  Where can I get
some Aphex Twin stuff?  I'm looking for an online catalog kinda thing.

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Loud distorted AE bass and Mick
Date: 06 Aug 1998 01:00:44 +0100


>>Steve LOOPZ Price
>>Orbital Zine.
>>www.hyperreal.org/loopz


>mail me ya slag :P
>Mick

Sorry m8....been a tad busy... ;)

Strange mixed reviews of AE live...some reporting of loud distorted bass
that wrecked the whole feel of the gig...sound familar Mick ?

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Top Aimee
Date: 06 Aug 1998 01:04:34 +0100


>There. I can be a good gurl and get my point across without flaming.
>
>Aimee

Nice call Aimee...and a good point...which i can relate too.

Although....the person who asked for videos...u can view low quality
streamed Orbital videos at Loopz...but i dont do Mpegs or Mp3s neither
:)

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From: Sean Granger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Aimee and her mp3s
Date: 05 Aug 1998 23:27:55 -0500


<Saved me a few bucks, by preventing me from buying a CD
<that I would not have liked...
~snip~
<mp3's of rare stuff, that I might not be able
<to buy, or if there is like 1 track on an album that I like but
<the rest of it sucks

this is the way i rationalize them too, or more then once i've downloaded full cds when I didn't have the money, then bought the cd later and erased the mp3s (case in point: "Vegas").


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From: Andy Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: Cygnus X and Dub Definition
Date: 06 Aug 1998 09:35:50 GMT



> Has anyone heard the CD Hypermetrical by Cygnus X?  How would you
> describe it?

The LP is a typical mid-period Eye-Q trance output - all stuff up
around 140bpm, lots of rolling sequencer patterns and lush strings.
It's one of the best of Eye-Qs output in my opinion, but if I have a
critiscism I'd say it was a little bit samey. However, if you care
about trance it's something you should have in your collection...

> > ps i can't believe nobody bothered to answer my question on
> > what dub is...
>
> Yeah, I'd like a specific definition of that myself. Actually, I've looked quite a bit
> around the net and found nothing that adequately defines remixing terminology.

'Dub' was originally a mutation of roots reggae in the mid-70s. The
invention of the sound was credited to Jamaican producer King Tubby
(Osborne Ruddock) who took reggae standards and totally remixed them,
preserving bass and drums and dropping bits of the vocals, keyboards
and rhythm guitars into the mix, treating them with massive reverb
and echo chamber effects to create a mesmerising and 'druggy'
psychedelic sound. A trademark of the sound was also the 'space'
between beats - sounds were given space to breathe and not crammed
together in layers of overproduced slabs of noise. This, in
particular, is a style which, once heard will immediately define the
dub sound.

A lot of reggae LPs were remixed this way and one could
often buy a 'dubplate' version of an artist's LP. Dub producers to
follow in Tubby's wake were Scientist, Prince Jammy and Lee 'Scratch'
Perry. The sound influenced a lot of late 70s/early 80s punk/new
wave, but the death of King Tubby in a shooting in 1983 (I think) was
a serious setback to the movement. The chief exponent of the Dub
sound  in the UK was/is Adrian Sherwood. More or less everything on
his On-U Sound label bears some debt to the King Tubby Dub sound.
Also try Mad Professor's 'No Protection' remix LP of Massive Attack's
'Protection'.

The 'Dub Version' one finds on forms of music other than reggae has
long since forgotten the roots and principles of the original
reggae dub sound - most Dub Mixes are simply instrumentals with the
instruments being dropped into the mix when the remixer/producer
feels like it, but usually minus the trademark
reverb/echo/distortion. There are notable exceptions to this
generalisation - try The Orb's first LP, KLF's 'Chill Out', Jah
Wobble's reggae experiments, Primal Scream's 'Screamadelica' and the
remix of their latest LP 'Echo Dek'. Underworld and, to some extent,
Orbital use Dub concepts to give theire music a spacey, atmospheric
feel. My feeling is that most 'Dub' versions of house/techno tunes
are just cheap and unoriginal remixes with little or no resemblance
to the original sound of dub.

Hope this helps!

Andy Jackson

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Subject: (orbital) Aimee and her mp3s... oddly enough i arrived at under
Date: 06 Aug 1998 08:51:01 +0000


I don't really care about mp3s but...

> >the person who had bought second toughest in the infants from underworld...
> >get your hands asap on dubnobasswithmyheadman...  and if you can find
> >rez/cowgirl and spikee...
> >wouter hermans

Have you seen the video for rez? It's absolutely brilliant! Alot of their other videos are great
too, but rez kicks some butt. It's all about sex, very sublimely, you got to watch carefully.
And I know what you feel about live gigs with underworld, they are one of the best live bands
I've ever seen -despite their introvertiveness, or maybe because of it.

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Subject: Re: (orbital) remixing definitions
Date: 06 Aug 1998 08:54:03 +0000


>
> >Dub: A new style of reggae which emerged in the late 70s. Very chill
> and often accentuating
> >bass-lines. Basically the hashish version of reggae(Very cool to play
> when you're stoned).
> >I forgot to add - also very cool to listen to when you're stoned.
>
> Tell me what's NOT cool to listen to when you're stoned.

Well...

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Defining the word "bootleg" and Orbitals actual view
Date: 06 Aug 1998 01:15:37 +0100


Thats Phils point of view and im sure he was referring to live bootlegs
not official recordings.

Just like to point out that the term "bootleg" is most commonly used for
live recordings...rather than official recordings that are ripped off
and you will find that Live Bootlegs are treated as an ok thing by Paul
(i know for sure...dont know Phils view).

They dont want to be ripped off - so any official recordings burned to
cd or mp3d is seen as a bad thing in their eyes. A conversation (with
Paul) only last week produced this comment (not quoted exactly).
"Recording things to tape for someone is seen as an ok thing to do,
everyone does it. But putting stuff on CD just dont seem right...not too
sure why...but it aint".

At the end of the day...its their income that we would be ripping off
...

Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine
www.hyperreal.org/loopz

>>>>>>>>>>>>
>Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:14:31 -0500
>From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
>Subject: RE: (orbital) Aimee and her mp3s
>
>To be very blunt........Let's see what the guys think:
>
>M=A0- =A0 How do you guys feel about your music going across on the
>Internet?=20
>        Phil=A0-=A0 It's smart. It's good.=20
>M=A0 - You're being very generous with letting us record stuff like =
>this,
>with a profit free webcast. There's a lot of bands that would utterly
>panic about this, claim ownership and not want to have this happen.=20>
>        Paul=A0 - Put it this way: If I walk through Camden market
>and see a bootleg of one of our gigs, I smile, I'm happy about it, you
>know what I mean? I think it's good because it never takes over. Music
>on the Internet might one day, but the quality normally is sub CD
>standard so people sort of decide whether they like something but they
>go out and buy a CD anyway.=20
>
>Obviously there is a fine line.....I think we should know where to draw
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Subject: Re: (orbital) remixing definitions
Date: 06 Aug 1998 16:46:19 +0100


"Benjamin Szabo" writes
>
>>Dub: A new style of reggae which emerged in the late 70s. Very chill
>and often accentuating
>>bass-lines. Basically the hashish version of reggae(Very cool to play
>when you're stoned).
>>I forgot to add - also very cool to listen to when you're stoned.
>
>Tell me what's NOT cool to listen to when you're stoned.
>

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From: James Brostek <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Defining the word "bootleg" and Orbitals actual view
Date: 06 Aug 1998 11:59:16 -0400 (EDT)



: everyone does it. But putting stuff on CD just dont seem right...not too
: sure why...but it aint".

Why not?  I use cd's like tapes.  Better quality and the sound never
degrades since cd's take so long to wear out.  Yes you can wear out a
burnable cd, but it takes lots and lots of reads to do so.  Anyway, in
todays world its normal.  Phillips just came out with a cd burner for
audio only.  With that you can make mix cd's like you used to do with
tapes.  I did that myself.  I took every track I love from all the orbital
albums and burnt it to one cd' opening up 5 slots in my car changer.  I
think redistribution of copyrighted material is just wrong.  But everyone
I know has copied a released tape or taped a cd for someone else.  It's
how society works.  But I have seen all of this work as free publicity for
groups as I give my friend a copy of sniv and he buys every cd orbital has
ever releaased that he could get his hands on.

I wont touch boots, but in the end I think everyone likes boots, since
live shows are soo hard to come by.

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Subject: (orbital) The visit
Date: 06 Aug 1998 17:27:39 +0000


At 12:16 05/08/98 -0400, Ken Pittman wrote:

>Good point, and it reminds me of something I wanted to ask. Is "The Visit"
>by Orbital available anywhere on CD? If not is it available (sorry Aimee) in
>MP3? I have looked everywhere for it, I WANT to buy it. Thanks for any help.

Well I got it on mp3 ages back, I think it was from Loopz, but I could be
wrong. It might still be there.

Wouter Hermans wrote:

>argh i hate the reply thing... first you think "weird, howcome my mails
>don't show up in the list" and then you remember that of the 3 lists you are
>subscribed too, only the dirtylist mails reply to the list directly...

Oh the joys of using a mailer that has two reply buttons, one of which
replies to the original sender and the other to the list. Shame it only
works like that on this one... You could check the header on the reply
before you send it.

>>>"watching windows. do they know what i know ?"
>>for some reason i like/dislike that reprazent song...

Eh? like/dislike? How's that work then?? I really like the Ed Rush/Optical
mix, but as I hate nearly all jazz-jungle I obviously don;t like the
original.

>i have 3 mp3's... one of them is underworld's born slippy (not the nuxx, but
>the difficult-to-find-it-seems one).

Not that difficult, it's on one of the Pearl's Girl CDs.


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Jon

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Official Release Bootlegs - continued
Date: 06 Aug 1998 18:18:26 +0100


Loopz wrote
: everyone does it. But putting stuff on CD just dont seem right...not
too
: sure why...but it aint".

Crash wrote
>It's
>how society works.  But I have seen all of this work as free publicity for
>groups as I give my friend a copy of sniv and he buys every cd orbital has
>ever releaased that he could get his hands on.

Everyone does it...so like sheep will follow ? I certainly wouldnt
necessary do summit because every tom, dick and harry are doing it....i
got a mind of my own...principles.

Although if everyone was like your friend who listens, likes and then
Buys the release...then there wouldnt be a problem. Not everyone is like
that...i know im just as guilty with other groups releases ...but with
Orbital i wont rip em off.

Thanx

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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Official Release Bootlegs - continued
Date: 06 Aug 1998 10:28:31 PDT


Steve:
Truly I understand how you feel about Orbital and so do I.  But I love
Orbital.  Most of my cd collection consists of Orbital.  And I am always
trying to get more.  But I dont have the old stuff.  And if I cant get
it (which I cant) anymore then why is it wrong to get a cd copy from
someone?  I mean, if I really like the songs, then the tape version will
become worn out very quickly.
It's just a way to finish a collection.  I want to have the originals,
but dont we have to do with what we can get?

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From: "7 7 7" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Official Release Bootlegs - continued
Date: 06 Aug 1998 10:48:39 PDT


>Steve:
>Truly I understand how you feel about Orbital and so do I.  But I love
>Orbital.  Most of my cd collection consists of Orbital.  And I am
always
>trying to get more.  But I dont have the old stuff.  And if I cant get
>it (which I cant) anymore then why is it wrong to get a cd copy from
>someone?  I mean, if I really like the songs, then the tape version
will
>become worn out very quickly.
>It's just a way to finish a collection.  I want to have the originals,
>but dont we have to do with what we can get?

That's the point about old, _rare_ stuff, it wouldn't be called rarities
if everyone had them, even just copies of them. I came across an MP3 of
Omen and ignored it, I want to find a real version someday and be really
happy then, if I can't find it, then that's too bad. A friend of mine
taped it from a radio show in Norway a few years back and we took it
into my computer, fixed the quality and had a splendid .wav file. A few
days later, I deleted it because there was that nagging feeling that it
wasn't right.

I don't do .wavs of whole tracks, only to the allowed 30 seconds
sometimes for webpage audio clips, and I certainly don't do MP3's as
their only use on the market is ripping off artists (IMO at least) and a
Norwegian band is the example and many other bands are victims to the
same; their whole albums become available and people don't buy their
stuff...

if people like the music of an artist, they should show them respect for
their works by buying those works and if the works they want to get a
copy of are out of print, then that's what I regard as a rarity and
exclusive to the few lucky ones who have them. Nothing to do about that.

My two pence at least

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From: James Brostek <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: Official Release Bootlegs - continued
Date: 06 Aug 1998 13:51:51 -0400 (EDT)


: Everyone does it...so like sheep will follow ? I certainly wouldnt
: necessary do summit because every tom, dick and harry are doing it....i
: got a mind of my own...principles.

I do also, as I said I am not at all for the idea of distibuting a cd to
all of my friends and trading copies with outhers that would make me as
bad as a software pirate.  But to some degree everyone does it.  I don't
agree with putting out an entire cd of mp3's to download but whats wrong
with tossing out a song or two.

:
: Although if everyone was like your friend who listens, likes and then
: Buys the release...then there wouldnt be a problem. Not everyone is like
: that...i know im just as guilty with other groups releases ...but with
: Orbital i wont rip em off.
:

the point I was getting off at that is be it tape or cd, its a copy.  If
somone gives everyone the copy of orbital on tape how diffrent is it to
give it on cd?  In these days.

Noone should ever support the redistributions of releases, boots I have my
certain level of opinion on that I refuse to get into.  I side with you,
but at the same time I tried to shed light on why people think its oke to
copy material thats protected by laws against it.

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From: Skip Acuff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Cygnus X
Date: 05 Aug 1998 14:10:10 -0700


Doug wrote:
<<Has anyone heard the CD Hypermetrical by Cygnus X?  How would you
describe it?  >>

Sadly overlooked, perhaps due in part to a hideous reminiscent of Aphex Twin's I
Care Because You Do cover art.  Inside it was something altogether different:
Gorgeous, lush, melodic, shimmering, mesmerizing hard trance.   A joint venture of
Mathias Hoffmann and Ralph Hildenbeutel (who also co-produced at least two Sven
Vaeth albums).   One of my all time favorites of any genre.

This CD is, unfortunately, out of print and the label, Eye-Q, is out of business.  I
first heard it on a now defunct European CD shop website.   I tried to order it
from nearly a dozen sources, and all came up empty.   I finally found a copy on
Marie's Cds mailing list about 5 months ago.   If you find it, get it.   If you don't
like it, I'll buy your copy.

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From: Brian <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Official Release Bootlegs - continued
Date: 06 Aug 1998 15:24:06 -0400 (EDT)


If the artists/record companies don't want to reprint the rarities and make
money off them, fans should be allowed to share the music w/ each other
until it's made avail. again.  (since fans would buy the original too if
they could find it --I know I would!)  Besides, I'm sure fans do
more for artists through word-of-mouth promoting to more than make up for
copying an out of print recording for personal use.



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Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Official Release Bootlegs + on + on
Date: 06 Aug 1998 13:27:08 PDT


>If the artists/record companies don't want to reprint the rarities and
make
>money off them, fans should be allowed to share the music w/ each other
>until it's made avail. again.  (since fans would buy the original too
if
>they could find it --I know I would!)  Besides, I'm sure fans do
>more for artists through word-of-mouth promoting to more than make up
for
>copying an out of print recording for personal use.

On morale grounds, I still rest my case. Even on judicial grounds,
word-of-mouth promoting is legal and creates no obligation between
artists and fans, but laws stop fans from making illegal copies of an
artist's works.

I also want stuff to be made available again, but unless that happens
I'm not going to "lay pressure" on an artist to make it available
because I "promote" them, I talk about them because I like their works
and am interested in what other people have to say/what they feel about
the works of an artist. I don't expect anything in return, so it does
not make up for copying (in my view).

I back Aimee on this, not just on the morale grounds. It's not legal
even.

Trym

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From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Re: Official Release Bootlegs + on + on
Date: 06 Aug 1998 15:50:13 -0500


    Hearing all of this (2 days worth), makes me wonder why I ever
asked about MP3's.


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From: "Silvio Rohloff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) MTV-Video
Date: 06 Aug 1998 23:14:32 +0200


Hi there!

Have anyone seen the video "Belfast/Wasted" on MTV in the last weeks?

Who┤s the singer in this video?

And what EP is this?

And when comes the new album from Orbital?

Thanks for answer!





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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Official Release Bootlegs - continued
Date: 06 Aug 1998 23:10:20 +0100


I know what you are saying...and yes i can fully understand how easy it
is to burn a copy of a hard-to-find cd to save the hard work of finding
the damn thing (and paying good money for it).

Tapes do get worn...but do they get warn that quickly ? Its hard for me
to agree with anything like this...because i really really do feel
summit for their work...i dunno why...i cant explain.

I think we will have to agree to that we all have seperate views on
this...and it really does depend on your feelings for the group itself.
For example...If you take a cd copy of some old stuff...do you still try
and find and buy the original ?  I think most wouldnt bother...why
should they after all...its  money out of your pocket!

<sigh>

Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine
www.hyperreal.org/loopz

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>From:     Mehul Parekh[SMTP:[e-mail]]
>Sent:     Thursday, August 06, 1998 6:28 PM
>To:     Price, Steve A; [e-mail]
>Subject:     Re: (orbital) Official Release Bootlegs - continued
>
>Steve:
>Truly I understand how you feel about Orbital and so do I.  But I love
>Orbital.  Most of my cd collection consists of Orbital.  And I am always
>trying to get more.  But I dont have the old stuff.  And if I cant get
>it (which I cant) anymore then why is it wrong to get a cd copy from
>someone?  I mean, if I really like the songs, then the tape version will
>become worn out very quickly.
>It's just a way to finish a collection.  I want to have the originals,
>but dont we have to do with what we can get?
>
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Subject: (orbital) RE: Official Release Bootlegs - continued
Date: 06 Aug 1998 23:26:36 +0100


>>I do also, as I said I am not at all for the idea of distibuting a cd to
>>all of my friends and trading copies with outhers that would make me as
>>bad as a software pirate.  But to some degree everyone does it.  I don't
>>agree with putting out an entire cd of mp3's to download but whats wrong
>>with tossing out a song or two.

If the receiving person is there to take the mp3 and eval it...then
there wouldnt be a problem. But I have been in the situation where i was
given a mp3 of a track i needed to hear first...and thought - nah i wont
buy it...ive got it...ill just dump it to cd (not orbital here...another
group). Its wrong...even though i do do it...its wrong. I could have
prevented a royalty to the artist...or some form of payment to the
record company...which in turn could alter a pre-album payment to the
artist in question for the next release...dramatic scenario...but if we
are all doing this then it /could/ make an impact.

So...yes...i am as guilty as the next man....when it comes to piracy of
music and software..

The whole thread was to do with what Orbital thought...Paul has stated
that he sees Cd piracy of official releases a bad thing...i cant really
comment why He has this thought...but if your job was to make
music...and your life was depend on the money from this...u may have a
similar thought on the matter.

>>the point I was getting off at that is be it tape or cd, its a copy.  If
>>somone gives everyone the copy of orbital on tape how diffrent is it to
>>give it on cd?  In these days.

again...we dont have to do it...because its a fashionable thing...these
days...people do do this. BUT...if its no different then from now
on...have all your recordings on tape and dont bother burning the
cds....
Maybe then...you will realise exactly what is different.

At least if summit was on tape...you know by getting your money out and
buying the official release CD you will have a quality mastererd
recording...with no hiss!

If you just see it as a copy...then please tape it...then go figure.

>>Noone should ever support the redistributions of releases, boots I have my
>>certain level of opinion on that I refuse to get into.  I side with you,
>>but at the same time I tried to shed light on why people think its oke to
>>copy material thats protected by laws against it.

Good question...dont have the answer to it...only know what i know and
what people have expressed to me (mixed reactions). When Paul said what
he said...he finished...i dont know why CD copying is different...i just
dont think its right. I know that if i taped summit i wouldnt feel as
bad as if i cd burnt it...and guess what...i dont know why either ;)

Bootlegs as in official ones are in my eyes wrong.....Live bootlegs are
in my eyes ok...no money loss for anyone there...as it aint
released...confused...i am :)))


Steve LOOPZ Price
>Orbital Zine


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Subject: (orbital) The Visit MP3
Date: 06 Aug 1998 23:33:35 +0100


>Good point, and it reminds me of something I wanted to ask. Is "The Visit"
>by Orbital available anywhere on CD? If not is it available (sorry Aimee) in
>MP3? I have looked everywhere for it, I WANT to buy it. Thanks for any help.

.Well I got it on mp3 ages back, I think it was from Loopz, but I could
be
.wrong. It might still be there.

Its still there...not full version (of course)...2 seperate excerpts
from the 20 + minute movements.
Its on the AUDIO section on Loopz.

www.hyperreal.org/loopz

It wont be released EVER....btw

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From: Kel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) CD Buying
Date: 04 Aug 1998 23:55:41 -0400


Hey guys, just a quick question for everyone. My dad has recently been
on my case about me and my music, cutting off my money and not letting
me buy enough music as I'd like to now. There are maybe twenty artists
on my list that I've heard about and that I'd like to have a taste of,
not to mention all the music I already am into. he says buying one CD a
month is "normal" and it is pissing me off to no end. Just wondering how
many CDs per month most of you get, and what you might think is a normal
number. Just curious. hope someone bothers to reply,
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Subject: Re: (orbital) CD Buying
Date: 06 Aug 1998 22:47:21 -0400



>not to mention all the music I already am into. he says buying one CD a
>month is "normal" and it is pissing me off to no end. Just wondering how
>many CDs per month most of you get, and what you might think is a normal
>number. Just curious. hope someone bothers to reply,

Depends on the month!  I have ~300 CD's now, so my habits have ranged from
1-2 to 10+ a month.

I hate to say this, because it's SUCH an annoying thing to say but: get a
job.  Scamming money is cool (I still do it and I'm 20) but you gotta work
if you want to have real cash (especially the kind you can spend how you
want to spend it) get a job, you're old enough.

Good luck!
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Subject: Re: (orbital) CD Buying
Date: 07 Aug 1998 07:52:05 +0200


>Hey guys, just a quick question for everyone. My dad has recently been
>on my case about me and my music, cutting off my money and not letting
>me buy enough music as I'd like to now. There are maybe twenty artists
>on my list that I've heard about and that I'd like to have a taste of,
>not to mention all the music I already am into. he says buying one CD a
>month is "normal" and it is pissing me off to no end. Just wondering how
>many CDs per month most of you get, and what you might think is a normal
>number. Just curious. hope someone bothers to reply,
>    KEL, the frustrated 16-year-old


living where i live, and working for getting myself into next year of
college
(financial aspect) I don't remember the last time that I actually got myself
a CD. In fact, the last CD I got was a gift from a special someone I have
overseas. It's all mp3 for me....and I have no remorse :)

Daniel
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Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Official Release Bootlegs + on + on
Date: 06 Aug 1998 23:13:51 -0700


Hahahah!!!!!!!
Just dont mention candyflipping or vinyl vs cd

.MatthewFord.

Chris Kloehr wrote:
>
>         Hearing all of this (2 days worth), makes me wonder why I ever
> asked about MP3's.


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Subject: (orbital) End of Copy Conversation
Date: 07 Aug 1998 02:34:01 EDT


We can end this tape vs CD conversation now. The simple truth is, although I
never make compilations of stuff I don't already own, I would only do it on
Mini Disc. Everyone thank Sony for promoting (inventing?) the great morphing
or tapes and CDs. My question is, why the hell did they ever release CDs when
MDs were invented only a short time after?

As for the MP3s. Who cares. There are people who are so loaded with computer
programs that they can probably take Real Audio and turn it into 44Mhz and
burn it to CD. No one here is bringing up anythign mind blowing enough to
change anyone else's opinion. I don't believe in MP3, but that is probably
because I don't have a burner. But I'll tell you what. I love software piracy.
I could never justify spending 600  dollars on Photoshop. However, I would
gladly spend 6 dollars, or even 26 dollars to get, say, the Halcyon CD, even
though I had it on MP3. Enough. Later.
AJ


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Subject: Re: (orbital) Official Release Bootlegs - continued- Devil's
Date: 07 Aug 1998 08:56:15 +0000


Guys,

What about the poor people of the world that can't afford to go and buy all
the CDs, getting them on MP3 or on Gold discs would be a cheap way for them
to build up a music collection.  I mean, people say that we are ripping
people off by using the aforementiomed musical formats, but what about us,
the music buying public, who are forced to pay the ridiculous sums of money
that it costs to build up a decent collection.  Most of the Orbital stuff,
for example, where I go browsing is on import and that just encourages the
shops to slap another small fortune onto the cover price.....

Frenchie

PS.  I would appreciate it if someone could forward me an uptodate
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Subject: Re: (orbital) End of Copy Conversation
Date: 07 Aug 1998 01:09:25 -0700


[e-mail] wrote:
> because I don't have a burner. But I'll tell you what. I love software piracy.
> I could never justify spending 600  dollars on Photoshop. However, I would

I agree mate.  THREE CHEERS TO SOFTWARE PIRACY! Oh, um i mean, "hey!
those programmers worked hard on that program!" heheh

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From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Re: Official Release Bootlegs + on + on
Date: 07 Aug 1998 07:43:11 -0500


Dare I ask why not to mention candyflipping?  Heaven forbid anyone have
a problem with that......

> ----------
> From:     [e-mail][SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Reply To:     [e-mail]
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> Cc:     [e-mail]
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>
> Hahahah!!!!!!!
> Just dont mention candyflipping or vinyl vs cd
>
> .MatthewFord.
>
> Chris Kloehr wrote:
> >
> >         Hearing all of this (2 days worth), makes me wonder why I
> ever
> > asked about MP3's.
>


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Subject: RE: (orbital) Re: Official Release Bootlegs + on + on
Date: 07 Aug 1998 07:43:53 -0500


    Dare I ask why not to mention candyflipping?  Heaven forbid
anyone have a problem with that......


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Subject: (orbital) What's Candyflipping?
Date: 07 Aug 1998 13:46:22 +0000


I must confess that though having heard of the term, I am not totally
familar with what it is...




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Subject: RE: (orbital) What's Candyflipping?
Date: 07 Aug 1998 08:05:53 -0500


> I must confess that though having heard of the term, I am not totally
> familar with what it is...
>
>
    My understanding is that it is taking Ecstasy and LSD at the
same time.....
        much fun I must say...


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Subject: RE: (orbital) What's Candyflipping?
Date: 07 Aug 1998 14:12:04 +0000


Well then, why was it drafted into the 'Bootlegging --right or wrong'
conversation?




Chris Kloehr <ckloehr @ TAASCFORCE.com>
07/08/98 14:05


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> I must confess that though having heard of the term, I am not totally
> familar with what it is...
>
>
     My understanding is that it is taking Ecstasy and LSD at the
same time.....
          much fun I must say...


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From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) What's Candyflipping?
Date: 07 Aug 1998 08:19:06 -0500


    Got me.


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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) minidiscs
Date: 07 Aug 1998 10:13:41 -0400 (EDT)


Excerpts from mail: 7-Aug-98 (orbital) End of Copy Conve.. by
[e-mail]
> We can end this tape vs CD conversation now. The simple truth is,
although  > I never make compilations of stuff I don't already own, I
would only do it  > on Mini Disc. Everyone thank Sony for promoting
(inventing?) the great     > morphing or tapes and CDs. My question is,
why the hell did they ever       > release CDs when MDs were invented
only a short time after?


Well, my understanding of it, is that the older version of
the minidisc format was crap. The discs didn't have very much
storage space on them so the audio data had to be compressed
way down so they could fit a reasonable number of minutes of
audio on the thing. And the compression made the audio sound
crummy (worse than CDs sound) so everyone bought CDs instead.
The minidiscs out there now have better compression or more
storage space on the discs, so the audio is now as good as a
CD...  I'm not 100% sure if that is true but someone told me
that. Rather makes sense too, since minidiscs have been out
in some form or another for a _very_ long time, but only recently
have ever heard about anyone owning one :)


Regards,
    -Aronne


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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: CD Buying
Date: 07 Aug 1998 10:19:11 -0400 (EDT)


Excerpts from mail: 6-Aug-98 Re: (orbital) CD Buying by @ritvax.isc.rit.edu
> >not to mention all the music I already am into. he says buying one CD a
> >month is "normal" and it is pissing me off to no end. Just wondering how
> >many CDs per month most of you get, and what you might think is a normal
> >number. Just curious. hope someone bothers to reply,
>
> Depends on the month!  I have ~300 CD's now, so my habits have ranged from
> 1-2 to 10+ a month.

I think I am at about 250; I only got into electronic music about a
year ago, and since then I think I have bought about 120-150 electronic
CDs of various styles so I guess I buy about 10-15 a month. However, this
is mostly because I have to catch up on several years of music :)
I don't think there are 10-15 new CDs that come out per month that I
would buy, its just that I have to buy all those great CDs from '94 ,
'95, etc, that I missed out on, because I was listening to the crap
shoveled to me from MTV and the radio at the time :)

>
> I hate to say this, because it's SUCH an annoying thing to say but: get a
> job.  Scamming money is cool (I still do it and I'm 20) but you gotta work
> if you want to have real cash (especially the kind you can spend how you
> want to spend it) get a job, you're old enough.

<nod>.  I think Dave is right. The only reason I buy this many CDs
is because I have money from working. :)


Regards,
    -Aronne


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From: "7 7 7" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Re: Official Release Bootlegs + on + on
Date: 07 Aug 1998 07:53:09 PDT


>    Hearing all of this (2 days worth), makes me wonder why I ever
>asked about MP3's.

Apparently you must have looked for some and that's ok of course. People
have strong opinions about it too and that's ok too of course.

...that causes discussion.

Trym

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Subject: Re: (orbital) Official Release Bootlegs - continued- Devil's
Date: 07 Aug 1998 08:00:42 PDT


>What about the poor people of the world that can't afford to go and buy
all
>the CDs, getting them on MP3 or on Gold discs would be a cheap way for
them
>to build up a music collection.  I mean, people say that we are ripping
>people off by using the aforementiomed musical formats, but what about
us,
>the music buying public, who are forced to pay the ridiculous sums of
money
>that it costs to build up a decent collection.  Most of the Orbital
stuff,
>for example, where I go browsing is on import and that just encourages
the
>shops to slap another small fortune onto the cover price.....

Not meaning to be awfully picky here, but if I'm not too mistaken, poor
people must have computers and Internet access in the first place to
have any joy in an MP3 (-2, whatever). If so, they can probably manage
to pay a measly 10-15 dollars for a CD now and then.

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From: "cosmin K.nicolae" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Underworld
Date: 07 Aug 1998 13:20:56 +0000 (GMT)




    Does anyone know when I can see Underworld in
London(october-november). And largely, any techno stuff.
Thanx.

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Subject: Re: (orbital) CD Buying
Date: 07 Aug 1998 08:39:07 -0400


Dave O'Connor wrote:

> I hate to say this, because it's SUCH an annoying thing to say but: get a
> job.  Scamming money is cool (I still do it and I'm 20) but you gotta work
> if you want to have real cash (especially the kind you can spend how you
> want to spend it) get a job, you're old enough.

No, don't!  Don't listen to these people who tell you that it's a good idea to
get a job when you're still in highschool because of the experience/money.  If
you need the cash, fine, but otherwise it just takes up too much time from
school and friends.  You have the rest of your life to work, and you'll
probably do plenty of that.  So wait until you get into University until you go
to work for the summer or whatever.  Then your chances of having to say 'would
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Subject: Re: (orbital) End of Copy Conversation
Date: 07 Aug 1998 08:43:48 -0400


[e-mail] wrote:

> We can end this tape vs CD conversation now. The simple truth is, although I
> never make compilations of stuff I don't already own, I would only do it on
> Mini Disc. Everyone thank Sony for promoting (inventing?) the great morphing
> or tapes and CDs. My question is, why the hell did they ever release CDs when
> MDs were invented only a short time after?

It's a quality issue for me.  I don't like anything that compresses whether I want
it to or not, and that's what MD does.

> As for the MP3s. Who cares. There are people who are so loaded with computer
> programs that they can probably take Real Audio and turn it into 44Mhz and
> burn it to CD. No one here is bringing up anythign mind blowing enough to

You'd think so, right?  But I looked for a few days and couldn't do it.  This was
months ago however, and I finally gave up.  It's the .ra of the live concert in
the US that Orbital put on.  Boston was it?  Anyway, streaming off the web was ok
in residence with 10Mbps Ethernet, but on my 33.6 it's not practical.  I ended up
just burning that huge-ass .ra instead of trying to convert it.  There's no way
that would have anything but a bad effect on the quality anyway.



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Subject: Re: (orbital) End of Copy Conversation
Date: 07 Aug 1998 08:44:35 -0400


[e-mail] wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
> > because I don't have a burner. But I'll tell you what. I love software piracy.
> > I could never justify spending 600  dollars on Photoshop. However, I would
>
> I agree mate.  THREE CHEERS TO SOFTWARE PIRACY! Oh, um i mean, "hey!
> those programmers worked hard on that program!" heheh
>
> .MatthewFord.
>
> FUCK THE R.I.A.A.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Official Release Bootlegs - continued- Devil's Advocate..
Date: 07 Aug 1998 08:12:58 -0700


**
What about the poor people of the world that can't afford to go and buy all the CDs, getting them on MP3 or on Gold discs would be a cheap way for them to build up a music collection.
**

Well.. my monthly income is about like $40.. most of that goes towards long distance bills. If i want something, i wait until i have the money. Simple as that. I haven't bought a cd since the middle of june when i bought the golden palomino's dead inside. wait i'm lying. i bought esthero's breath from another (GREAT cd) a couple weeks ago. oops.


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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Underworld
Date: 07 Aug 1998 16:58:35 +0000


At 13:20 07/08/98 +0000, cosmin K.nicolae wrote:
>
>
>
>    Does anyone know when I can see Underworld in
>London(october-november).

You'll be lucky. I'd expect they're busy getting on with the next album.
They'd damn well better be. And I've not heard anything off the dirtylist,
so if they are playing, they're keeping it quiet so far.


cheers,
Jon

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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) New Orbital album... from hell!!!
Date: 07 Aug 1998 12:28:33 +0000


> A nightmare tracklist....
<snip>

So, what are you trying to say? Don't beat around the bush, I can
tell there's some point to that.. (It's hard to convey sarcasm
through text) >:)

But as an aside to that, Madonna _did_ get her start in the New York
club underground..

-Morey
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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Footwear Repair
Date: 07 Aug 1998 12:28:33 +0000


> Have you seen the video for rez? It's absolutely brilliant! Alot of their other videos are great
> too, but rez kicks some butt. It's all about sex, very sublimely, you got to watch carefully.
> And I know what you feel about live gigs with underworld, they are one of the best live bands
> I've ever seen -despite their introvertiveness, or maybe because of it.

    Here's my chance to spout off about something.. :) If you haven't
bought the new Underworld video compilation, drop everything and go
do it now. It's called "Footwear Repair by Craftsmen at Competetive
Prices", and worth every cent of whatever you have to pay for it.
It's 90 or so minutes of continuous, brilliant Underworld madness.
The video for Spikee is the most mind-numbingly amazing video I've
seen. There's nothing else like it (even in the realm of underworld)
The track list is something like this (the order may differ slightly)

rez
spikee
spoonman
most 'ospitable
dark and long (dark train)
oich oich
cowgirl
born slippy
pearl's girl
dirty epic
banstyle
moaner

now playing - orb - super nova (reefer spin in the galaxy)

-Morey
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this planet is ours
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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) The visit
Date: 07 Aug 1998 12:28:33 +0000


> >>>"watching windows. do they know what i know ?"
> >>for some reason i like/dislike that reprazent song...
>
> Eh? like/dislike? How's that work then?? I really like the Ed Rush/Optical
> mix, but as I hate nearly all jazz-jungle I obviously don;t like the
> original.

    Hmm.. The original version of Watching Windows really isn't jungle.
It's like 140bpm. (It's also not one of my favorites) The remix they
did for the video is, and I think it's pretty good. Check out the
Photek remix of Brown Paper Bag. Now that's a groovy song.

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From: Dave O'Connor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) CD Buying
Date: 07 Aug 1998 12:43:32 -0400


>to work for the summer or whatever.  Then your chances of having to say
'would
>you like to supersize that' are greatly reduced.

While I definitely understand the concept of "be free while you can" and as
much as my current work situation reflects that attitude, I disagree with
you.  Getting a job during the summer (during the year might be pushing it
a bit) is a good idea.  Work part time if you want more free time...but
work.  Try to get a job and keep it for awhile (couple summers).  It's
never too early to think about your resume.  I know that sounds very "grown
up and boring" of me, but when you try to get a job in college you'll start
to understand.  Having an empty resume when you're 20 is a BAD IDEA
(believe me, I know people).
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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Official Release Bootlegs - continue
Date: 07 Aug 1998 12:53:53 +0000


> I think we will have to agree to that we all have seperate views on
> this...and it really does depend on your feelings for the group itself.

    I agree. I know I have my own personal, convoluted opinion about
this, just like everyone else, and we're not going to solve this
problem here. I am however, glad because it seems that for the first
time in a while, everyone has gone out of their way to be polite and
reasonable throughout this discussion. (which has not always happened
in the past)

respect to all,

-Morey
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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) CD Buying
Date: 07 Aug 1998 12:53:52 +0000


> Hey guys, just a quick question for everyone. My dad has recently been
> on my case about me and my music, cutting off my money and not letting
> me buy enough music as I'd like to now. There are maybe twenty artists
> on my list that I've heard about and that I'd like to have a taste of,
> not to mention all the music I already am into. he says buying one CD a
> month is "normal" and it is pissing me off to no end. Just wondering how
> many CDs per month most of you get, and what you might think is a normal
> number. Just curious. hope someone bothers to reply,
>                        KEL, the frustrated 16-year-old


    I know it's rough, but that's about what I got when I was 16, and
probably not that abnormal. These days, I buy about 6-7 CD's a month,
and maybe 2 or 3 records, which is probably a bit excessive. (I
hardly _ever_ have any money for anything else, but I've committed
myself to being a collector, and that the way it is, at least for
now)

now playing - orbital - belfast/wasted

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Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Official Release Bootlegs + on +
Date: 07 Aug 1998 12:53:53 +0000



> Hahahah!!!!!!!
> Just dont mention candyflipping or vinyl vs cd

    Or how wonderful orbital is on acid. (that was a fun one...)

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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: CD Buying
Date: 07 Aug 1998 12:53:52 +0000


> I think I am at about 250; I only got into electronic music about a
> year ago, and since then I think I have bought about 120-150 electronic
> CDs of various styles so I guess I buy about 10-15 a month. However, this
> is mostly because I have to catch up on several years of music :)
> I don't think there are 10-15 new CDs that come out per month that I
> would buy, its just that I have to buy all those great CDs from '94 ,
> '95, etc, that I missed out on, because I was listening to the crap
> shoveled to me from MTV and the radio at the time :)

    I know the feeling. I started getting into electronic stuff about
two and a half years ago, and since then my CD collection has gone
from about 250 to over 500. That makes me re-calculate a bit. I guess
that since the summer of '96, I've averaged close to 10 a month. (And
that's spending every cent that wasn't needed for rent or food).
Unfortunately, I find that as I get caught up, I don't seem to be
slowing down. Must be sheer force of habit...



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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) What's Candyflipping?
Date: 07 Aug 1998 12:53:53 +0000


> Well then, why was it drafted into the 'Bootlegging --right or wrong'
> conversation?

    I think it was to make the point that innocent comments have a way
of sparking long, drawn-out discussions (since it did a while back)

-Morey
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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Mp3 / Software Piracy
Date: 07 Aug 1998 19:36:01 +0100


Nice subject this ;)

[e-mail] wrote:
> because I don't have a burner. But I'll tell you what. I love software
piracy.
> I could never justify spending 600  dollars on Photoshop. However, I would

Dxford wrote
>I agree mate.  THREE CHEERS TO SOFTWARE PIRACY! Oh, um i mean, "hey!
>those programmers worked hard on that program!" heheh

Yes...i can agree with this....Its like Russian Roulette when u buy a
game/software/apps...they end up being a pile of shit or something
worthy. Stupid prices as well... Give me Zeraw anyday.

As for Mp3...a had a mail from someone who was totally confused (not the
only one...i got confused as well) and thought i didnt agree with mp3s
at all.

Basically i will pirate software and grab mp3s of anything apart from
Orbital. Orbital are the only thing that i can have my utmost respect
for...hence why i dont do it. I do say that Mp3s are a bad thing...but
im just an equal bad lad at the end of the day...hence why i do
participate in Mp3 trading.

And please remember what i first said (in the initial reply to someones
mail...whoever that was) was a Paul Hartnoll semi-quote...ie His
View...not mine.

Mp3s are a brilliant piece of technology...the record companies are
shitting themselves...let them! :)))))

So whats best vinyl or cd ;) LOL

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Official Release Bootlegs - continued- Devil's
Date: 07 Aug 1998 19:30:38 +0100


>Not meaning to be awfully picky here, but if I'm not too mistaken, poor
>people must have computers and Internet access in the first place to
>have any joy in an MP3 (-2, whatever). If so, they can probably manage
>to pay a measly 10-15 dollars for a CD now and then.
Not meaning to be awfully picky myself, but I'd like to point out that some
people _only_ have access to computers at work, and that's the only place
they get on the net.
And when you settle down, have kids, buy your own flat etc, then every
cent/penny you spend will count, and not everybody is able to justify to
themselves to splash money on cds, especially not on the account of one
track you heard on radio/tv.
Don't judge other people on your own grounds :)

me, I just work & play and live alone (and bored) and waste too much money
on cds and junk food and video rentals and going to cinemas etc etc etc ;)
at the time of writing, I have about 296 cds, and I buy about 2-10 cds per
month these days. all via the net, in fact I only popped into a local shop
about 2-3 weeks ago for the first time in a year, and was pleasantly
surprised/shocked. surprised at some of the good stuff I could pick up
(walked out with 7 cds in total ;) and shocked at the prices of the #$%4
things
$28-30 for cd albums, $10-14 for cd singles *shiver* sometimes it sucks so
much to live here on Iceland...


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From: Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) CD Buying
Date: 07 Aug 1998 15:49:43 -0400


Dave O'Connor wrote:

> While I definitely understand the concept of "be free while you can" and as
> much as my current work situation reflects that attitude, I disagree with
> you.  Getting a job during the summer (during the year might be pushing it
> a bit) is a good idea.  Work part time if you want more free time...but
> work.  Try to get a job and keep it for awhile (couple summers).  It's
> never too early to think about your resume.  I know that sounds very "grown
> up and boring" of me, but when you try to get a job in college you'll start
> to understand.  Having an empty resume when you're 20 is a BAD IDEA
> (believe me, I know people).

I thought the same thing.  When my first semester of Univerity of school was
over and I went to hunt for a job through co-op, I thought "well now I'm
screwed, I've never done anything for money that's legal."  Turns out I was
wrong.  You'd be how suprised just how UNinterested an employer is about past
work, as opposed to personal skills you've developed just through what you do.
I've never worked for money on computers, but now I do.  I got one of the
sweetest jobs in the class this semester, and it's because I stayed at home
messing with my computer instead of bustin my hump to make enough money to get
a good buzz on.  Mind you, that doesn't get you laid, but then again there's
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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Mp3 vs. CD... Sod that!.. "Kinetic" remix
Date: 07 Aug 1998 18:51:28 +0100


I used to have quite a few rare Mp3's on my fast computer. Then it
crashed. Now I don't have them. Doh.

Stick to vinyl!. CD's are for the lazy. IMO.


Anyway... I was really posting to let UK ppl know (incase they didn't)
that one Orbital mix has just been rereleased. The Golden Girls
"Kinetic" has been rereleased on Distincive. My mate at the record shop
tells me that the Orbital mix is included.
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From: Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Mp3 vs. CD... Sod that!.. "Kinetic" remix
Date: 07 Aug 1998 16:21:43 -0400 (EDT)



Anyone know of any UK internet sites selling this new rerelease?  Or any
other suggestions on getting it?  =)

>
> Anyway... I was really posting to let UK ppl know (incase they didn't)
> that one Orbital mix has just been rereleased. The Golden Girls
> "Kinetic" has been rereleased on Distincive. My mate at the record shop
> tells me that the Orbital mix is included.
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From: "Jeff Carlton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) mp3's, Satan (Vocal Mix), Opus 3
Date: 07 Aug 1998 19:34:59 -0400


sorry to bring up mp3's once again...
but, let's just pretend i want a song from an out of print cd...how am i
going to get  a copy of it?..i have a few options:
1) i get a taped copy
2) i get a copy burned to cd
3) i get an mp3
4) if available, i buy it at a music store (presumably used)

i'm assuming thay are not recieving any new royalties from the sale of a
used cd...so, in what way am i taking away from the artist? ...i'm not
talking about getting a copy of a readily available cd...if it was just a
matter of saving up for a cd/record/tape that would be one thing...but, what
are the chances of me finding the Satan (Rhyme and Reason Vocal Mix) in
florida?...

now with that out of the way, i've a semi-orbital realated question:
i've heard there is an accapella (sp?) version of It's a Fine Day by Opus
3...anyone know how easy it is to find this?...

-jeff



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Subject: Re: (orbital) CD Buying
Date: 07 Aug 1998 19:38:44 EDT


Where exactly can I find the Wasted Remix of Belfast. I actually have it on a
BURNT CD, but it is the only burnt CD I own and it actually has meaning behind
it. Anyway, I only found Belfast Wasted on MP3 and was wondering where it can
really be found. Thanks alot. Later.
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From: Sean Granger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Mp3 vs. CD... Sod that!..
Date: 07 Aug 1998 18:58:17 -0500


Tim:
>
>I used to have quite a few rare Mp3's on my fast computer. Then it
>crashed. Now I don't have them. Doh.
>
>Stick to vinyl!. CD's are for the lazy. IMO.
>
if youre referring to the "tracks" of cds, look closely at vinyl, you can tell which song is which....if you are REALLY NOT LAZY, you'll stick w/ tapes, and if you have a good enough deck and metal tapes, they're TOTALLY bearable anyway :) tapes rule....you can play em anywhere and they dont skip or scratch and only warp after like 6 millions plays or degrees in the sun. i guess as of now, im officially a tape advocate :) ANYONE WANNA START A CLUB!?!?!?!? :)

later,
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From: "Wouter Hermans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) a life less ordinary
Date: 08 Aug 1998 02:03:22 +0200


heya

say, i saw that film tonite... did anyone already mention that bits of "dwr
budr" and "the box" are in it?  are they also on the soundtrack... what is
in fact on the soundtrack if anyone should happen to know...

i remember a discussion about this film somewhere, but i don't know if it
was orbital related or about underworld's "on" that is on it...

weird thing happened to me today: had my underworld "born slippy" t-shirt on
and went with a friend the video renting thing in...  while we were picking
our movie (a life less ordinary it would be, after seeying trainspotting the
night before) i hear the news on the radio that was going through the
speakers in the shop end, and "born slippy.nuxx" start up...  i look at the
desk and i see the store clerck signing that he had spotted my t-shirt and
that's why he played it...

anyone got some orbital t-shirts left? ;)


... thinking what orbital track to remix...

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From: STARpango <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) CD Buying & Lequash
Date: 07 Aug 1998 20:02:11 -0500


>living where i live, and working for getting myself into next year of
>college
>(financial aspect) I don't remember the last time that I actually got myself
>a CD. In fact, the last CD I got was a gift from a special someone I have
>overseas. It's all mp3 for me....and I have no remorse :)
>
>Daniel

hey lequash!  longtime no see and what's new?  i agree with you i work to
put myself through college but i work alot so that i can fuel my need for
music...again averaging about 40 -50 cds a month.  i been into the scene
since 94 and am still catching up on the old stuff as well as keeping up on
the coming up.  but then there are my friends who pay me money to run them
off the stuff that they like and basically all my cds that i buy are free
in that regard.  i've had my minidisc player for a little over a year
now!!!....and i use it alot...so is anyone else looking for the digital
trade club? LOL

oh and whiggy i'm in the process of putting you in touch with a place that
will get you what you asked for for very reasonable prices as a favor to
me...i'll keep in touch.

mikey g

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From: [e-mail] (Shawn Ledbetter)
Subject: Re: (orbital) CD Buying
Date: 07 Aug 1998 17:26:39 -0700


>Where exactly can I find the Wasted Remix of Belfast. I actually have it on a
>BURNT CD, but it is the only burnt CD I own and it actually has meaning
behind
>it. Anyway, I only found Belfast Wasted on MP3 and was wondering where it can
>really be found. Thanks alot. Later.
>AJ

The Wasted compilation from Volume.  It's a 2CD set of unreleased or
exclusive tracks from the various Volume compilations over the years.

1.The Orb - "Reefer Spin in the Galaxy"
 2.Cabaret Voltaire - "Low Cool"
 3.One Dove - "Fallen"
 4.Bjork - "One Day"
 5.The Shamen - "Hyperreal"
 6.Pop Will Eat Itself - "Bulletproof"
 7.The Grid - "Cybernetic"
 8.System 7 - "Miracle"
 9.Underworld - "Change"
 10.Delta Lady - "Anything You Want"
 11.The Drum Club - "One Tribe"
 12.Sabres Of Paradise - "Lick Wid Nit Wit"
 13.Spooky - "Aqualung"
 14.Orbital - "Belfast / Wasted"

 1. (C) - "He Was"
 2. Massive Attack - "Karmacoma"
 3. Tricky - "You Don't"
 4. Cypress Hill - "Lick A Shot "
 5. Credit to the Nation - "Come Dancing"
 6. 15 to 4
 7. The Sandals - "Venice Groove"
 8. Stereo MC's - "Elevate My Mind (Live)"
 9. Jah Wobble - "Whiskey Priests"
 10. Node - "Olivine"
 11. New Order - "Confusion"
 12. Moby - "Go"
 13. LFO - "Slow Down Speedy"
 14. Autechre - "Lanx"
 15. Aphex Twin - "En Trange to Exit"
 16. Mindless Drug Hoover "The Reefer Song"

A excellent compilation all around.  Great for just about any trainspotter.
The only big thing about the Orbital track is that it has vocals, from the
guy that does there record covers.

There also is an EP from Volume with two tracks, one of which is
Belfast/Wasted.  The other is a alt-rock band, Therapy?.

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From: Justin Maurer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: ((way) off topic) software piracy
Date: 07 Aug 1998 20:43:47 -0400 (EDT)



consider using open source software and not needing to deal with the
various troubles of proprietary software, and learn some cool stuff in the
process.

good starting places:

http://www.debian.org/ (because you should install it right away ;)
http://www.gnu.org/
http://www.opensource.org/
http://slashdot.org/ (but only because i'm biased ;)

personally, the only reason i go anywhere near mp3s is because i am a
student and have literally not a cent to spend (well, at least until
recently)...

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From: Brian <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Official Release Bootlegs + on + on
Date: 07 Aug 1998 23:25:23 -0400 (EDT)


>On morale grounds, I still rest my case. Even on judicial grounds,
I guess my scruples are lowered and I'd have to fight authority when it
comes to laws interfering with my ability to listen to Orbital's music (if
copying an out of print item is in question)  It doesn't weigh heavily on
my conscience, but if it did at least I'd have the music to soothe me!
heheh ;)

I think artists lose out the most when it comes to used CD stores not
having to pay them royalties.  Then again, maybe if new CD prices were set
reasonably there wouldn't be a market for used ones?  Creating CDs doesn't
cost much at all when they're being mass produced --it's too bad most of
the money goes to the bloated music industry and not the artist.  I hope
in future more artists are able to sell direct to the fans through online
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Subject: Re: (orbital) What's Candyflipping?
Date: 07 Aug 1998 22:05:18 -0700


The reason is because one person mentioned something, then the list and
its members are heavily bombarded with discussions and attacks on the
subject.  A while back on this list, this same thing happened when
someone mentioned candyflipping.  After that, someone mentioned the pros
and cons of cd vs. vinyl.


.MatthewFord.

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Well then, why was it drafted into the 'Bootlegging --right or wrong'
> conversation?
>
> Chris Kloehr <ckloehr @ TAASCFORCE.com>
> 07/08/98 14:05
>
> To:   orbital @ xmission.com
> cc:    (bcc: Paul French/UK/PSYGNOSIS)
> Subject:  RE: (orbital) What's Candyflipping?
>
> > I must confess that though having heard of the term, I am not totally
> > familar with what it is...
> >
> >
>      My understanding is that it is taking Ecstasy and LSD at the
> same time.....
>           much fun I must say...


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Subject: Re: (orbital) Mp3 / Software Piracy
Date: 07 Aug 1998 22:14:07 -0700


Price, Steve A wrote:
>
> Nice subject this ;)
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
> > because I don't have a burner. But I'll tell you what. I love software
> piracy.
> > I could never justify spending 600  dollars on Photoshop. However, I would
>
> Dxford wrote
> >I agree mate.  THREE CHEERS TO SOFTWARE PIRACY! Oh, um i mean, "hey!
> >those programmers worked hard on that program!" heheh
>
> Yes...i can agree with this....Its like Russian Roulette when u buy a
> game/software/apps...they end up being a pile of shit or something
> worthy. Stupid prices as well... Give me Zeraw anyday.

What is Zeraw?


>
> As for Mp3...a had a mail from someone who was totally confused (not the
> only one...i got confused as well) and thought i didnt agree with mp3s
> at all.
>
> Basically i will pirate software and grab mp3s of anything apart from
> Orbital. Orbital are the only thing that i can have my utmost respect
> for...hence why i dont do it. I do say that Mp3s are a bad thing...but
> im just an equal bad lad at the end of the day...hence why i do
> participate in Mp3 trading.

Awww come on Loopzy!  What happened to that CDR of unreleased stuff you
promised to send me?! :)

>
> And please remember what i first said (in the initial reply to someones
> mail...whoever that was) was a Paul Hartnoll semi-quote...ie His
> View...not mine.
>
> Mp3s are a brilliant piece of technology...the record companies are
> shitting themselves...let them! :)))))

Yes, they are.  And Once again :FUCK THE RIAA!!!!!! :)

>
> So whats best vinyl or cd ;) LOL

Personally, I prefer trading audio recordings on a thin sheet of urine.
Ouch!

>
> Steve LOOPZ Price

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Subject: Re: (orbital) Mp3 vs. CD... Sod that!.. "Kinetic" remix
Date: 07 Aug 1998 22:16:35 -0700


Tim wrote:
>
> I used to have quite a few rare Mp3's on my fast computer. Then it
> crashed. Now I don't have them. Doh.
>
> Stick to vinyl!. CD's are for the lazy. IMO.

I will.  Once I can install a turntable in my car and they dont cost
$200 US.  :)

>
> Anyway... I was really posting to let UK ppl know (incase they didn't)
> that one Orbital mix has just been rereleased. The Golden Girls
> "Kinetic" has been rereleased on Distincive. My mate at the record shop
> tells me that the Orbital mix is included.

Dont forget to mention that Golden Girls is One of the members of
Orbital.

> --
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Subject: Re: (orbital) Footwear Repair
Date: 08 Aug 1998 14:30:43 +0000


At 12:28 07/08/98 +0000, Morey Gamble wrote:

>    Here's my chance to spout off about something.. :) If you haven't
>bought the new Underworld video compilation, drop everything and go
>do it now.

And I'll get an NTSC video recorder while I'm at it, shall I? Come to think
of it, any video recorder would be a start....  Wish they'd hurry up and
release it over here.


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Subject: Re: (orbital) The visit
Date: 08 Aug 1998 14:38:54 +0000


At 12:28 07/08/98 +0000, Morey Gamble wrote:
>

>    Hmm.. The original version of Watching Windows really isn't jungle.
>It's like 140bpm.

I tend to classify jungle by the style rather than just the tempo. Pitch it
up to to 160 and tell me it's not jungle.

>Check out the
>Photek remix of Brown Paper Bag. Now that's a groovy song.

The last Photek remix I heard (I think it was of one of Goldie's crap
recent singles) was slow and boring. Is that his new style? I hope not.


At 19:36 07/08/98 +0100, Price, Steve A wrote:

>So whats best vinyl or cd ;) LOL

I fail to see how the 'music is analogue, so a CD is not true to the music'
argument works when the music's been created and/or mastered digitally
anyway. And why are older CDs quiter than new ones?


At 18:51 07/08/98 +0100, Tim wrote:

>Anyway... I was really posting to let UK ppl know (incase they didn't)
>that one Orbital mix has just been rereleased. The Golden Girls
>"Kinetic" has been rereleased on Distincive. My mate at the record shop
>tells me that the Orbital mix is included.

Is that the 'Orbital mix' that's not remixed by Orbital or the one that is?


At 02:03 08/08/98 +0200, Wouter Hermans wrote:
>
>weird thing happened to me today: had my underworld "born slippy" t-shirt on
>and went with a friend the video renting thing in...  while we were picking
>our movie (a life less ordinary it would be, after seeying trainspotting the
>night before) i hear the news on the radio that was going through the
>speakers in the shop end, and "born slippy.nuxx" start up...  i look at the
>desk and i see the store clerck signing that he had spotted my t-shirt and
>that's why he played it...

Funny that, I remember a bloke on the dirtylist telling a similar story ;-)



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Subject: Re: (orbital) The visit
Date: 08 Aug 1998 16:47:54 +0200


>>speakers in the shop end, and "born slippy.nuxx" start up...  i look at
the
>>desk and i see the store clerck signing that he had spotted my t-shirt and
>>that's why he played it...
>
>Funny that, I remember a bloke on the dirtylist telling a similar story ;-)


ahh, the moral problems you feel when you need to tell everyone about it,
but everyone is 3 lists big...

the weird thing is, i don't get mail from the dirtylist after i unsubscribed
from digest to full after i returned from vacation...  damn those lists
where the list owner first has to approve... if he's outta town you're
nailed...

generally speaking, i wouldn't stick my hand in my head, if you know what i
mean...

uh...

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From: Elliot Bancroft <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) RE Underworld Video
Date: 08 Aug 1998 11:20:16 -0700 (PDT)


Can anyone help me - please

Where can I get the new unerworlds video on the net.

Yunno "Footwear Repair by craftmen" or something like that.

Help appreciated


Thanxs


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From: "Wouter Hermans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Underworld Video
Date: 08 Aug 1998 20:26:28 +0200


>Can anyone help me - please
>
>Where can I get the new unerworlds video on the net.
>
>Yunno "Footwear Repair by craftmen" or something like that.
>
>Help appreciated


last time i checked cdnow.com carried it...

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From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgRm91cm5pZXI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) CD Buying
Date: 08 Aug 1998 21:31:50 -0400


>not to mention all the music I already am into. he says buying one CD a
>month is "normal" and it is pissing me off to no end. Just wondering how
>many CDs per month most of you get, and what you might think is a normal
>number. Just curious. hope someone bothers to reply,


There's no such thing as "normal", that's just an invention by parents to
screw their children without giving any arguments.

Personally I consider that one cd per week is acceptable, once I start
buying more I find that I can't keep up listening to them. The question of
course is are you buying just to hear what it sound like then forget the cd
once you know? My once per week is educated choices made from comments on
this list, downloaded mp3s etc....

Do try to get a job and be independent, they may complain but they won't be
able to control you as much then.

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From: Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Frontline
Date: 08 Aug 1998 21:30:43 -0400 (EDT)




There's a song on the Northern Exposure East Coast edition from Sasha and
John Digweed called "Dammerung" by Frontline.

anything know if there is anything else by this group?  I dig the song and
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Subject: Re: (orbital) Oops, Frontside =)
Date: 08 Aug 1998 21:40:22 -0400 (EDT)




Oops, the group is called "Frontside".  oopsie.  Anyhow, same question
applies, just screwed up the group name =)  Anyhow, if you know anything,
let me know, thanks!

> There's a song on the Northern Exposure East Coast edition from Sasha and
> John Digweed called "Dammerung" by FrontSIDE.
> anyone know if there is anything else by this group?  I dig the song and
> would love to know more.

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From: "Patrick McGinn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) need help IDing song
Date: 08 Aug 1998 21:52:32 -0400


Ok, I was listening to the college radio station here, WUNH 91.3FM, and
heard this song.  All it is is a stupid beat with a ton of samples of Dan
Rather.  It starts out with him saying something like "I'm Dan Rather and
this is the CBS news."  The rest of the song is samples of him mixed
together to make weird phrases.  It was funny as hell.  If anyone knows the
name of the artist, or just the song, please tell.

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From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgRm91cm5pZXI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: Minidiscs
Date: 09 Aug 1998 00:08:27 -0400


>Well, my understanding of it, is that the older version of
>the minidisc format was crap. The discs didn't have very much


Right. Have you ever tried compressing mp3's? I'm on a P2-300 and I can't
even do it in real time, it takes longer than the song would take to play
usually. Now could you imagine a portable AA-battery powered cpu back in
1992 (when 486-33's ruled the earth) compressing sound in a similar way to
mp3 (ATRAC) in real-time? Me neither. Yet that's what they were trying to do
with early minidisc recorders. It's very understandable that sound quality
was a big problem in those days for minidisc.

The ATRAC compression algorithm has gone through several revisions, always
backwards-compatible to older versions so you can play today's ATRAC 5.0
recordings on older ATRAC 1, 2 etc players, because it's the encoding that
gets changed from version to version, not the decoding. Today's minidisc
recorders give sound quality that is (imho) as good as CD or 99.9% of it.
Small flaws in orbital songs compressed in mp3 are not present on minidisc.
I can't make the difference between md and cd on songs that I have listened
to thousands of times, songs in which I see plenty of difference when I
compare mp3 to cd.

So the bottom line is, minidisc sound quality is closer to CD than it is to
mp3. Which goes to say, it is *damn good*.

Now is it better to buy a minidisc recorder or a cd burner, since they're
about the same price? Well that's another question. minidisc is portable
everywhere, doesn't require a computer... blanks are 4-5 times more
expensive though, and you can't copy data...

If you're stupid or rich enough, buy both like I did... (I'm the stupid
sort) :-)

btw storage space on a minidisc is 140 megabytes so compression is 5:1
roughly. There should be a new sort of minidisc with 600-odd megabytes of
space available on it available soon for storing data on computers. Of
course you will be able to play music md's in these drives but I don't know
if they'll make portable drives to read those high density minidiscs. That
would kick ass, great walkman + 600meg disk drive all in one small small
small package...

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Subject: Re: (orbital) Mp3 vs. CD... Sod that!..
Date: 09 Aug 1998 00:20:15 -0400


>if youre referring to the "tracks" of cds, look closely at vinyl, you can
>tell which song is which....if you are REALLY NOT LAZY, you'll stick w/
>tapes, and if you have a good enough deck and metal tapes, they're TOTALLY
>bearable anyway :) tapes rule....you can play em anywhere and they dont
>skip or scratch and only warp after like 6 millions plays or degrees in the
>sun. i guess as of now, im officially a tape advocate :) ANYONE WANNA START
>A CLUB!?!?!?!? :)


Well instead of buying a "good enough deck" buy a minidisc deck or portable!

blank minidiscs are:

a) magnet-safe (won't get erased)
b) tough as nails
c) less expensive than metal tapes
d) better sounding!
e) got separate tracks etc no time wasted fast-forwarding blah blah blah


ok so I'm not the minidisc advocate really i dont care but its better than
spending 300$ on a mofo tape deck!


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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) need help IDing song
Date: 08 Aug 1998 23:00:24 -0700


it sounds like the group EBN, but I'd have to check.

.MatthewFord.

Patrick McGinn wrote:
>
> Ok, I was listening to the college radio station here, WUNH 91.3FM, and
> heard this song.  All it is is a stupid beat with a ton of samples of Dan
> Rather.  It starts out with him saying something like "I'm Dan Rather and
> this is the CBS news."  The rest of the song is samples of him mixed
> together to make weird phrases.  It was funny as hell.  If anyone knows the
> name of the artist, or just the song, please tell.
>
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Subject: (orbital) RE: [orbital) Mp3 / Software Piracy
Date: 09 Aug 1998 08:48:38 +0100



>Dxford wrote
>
>>What is Zeraw?

Undernet - #zeraw - sit and watch for 30 mins.
>
>>Awww come on Loopzy!  What happened to that CDR of unreleased stuff you
>>promised to send me?! :)

LOL. Dont start that again...You are more geniune than the last person
who said that though...but then again Tony Blair was more geniune than
that person. :)

>>Yes, they are.  And Once again :FUCK THE RIAA!!!!!! :)

ermmm...who are the RIAA

>>Personally, I prefer trading audio recordings on a thin sheet of urine.
>>Ouch!

I know... that porn music u sent me was a bit crap btw - and why was
each track only 2 minutes long (what does that tell us about your sex
performance matt  ;)   ).

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Subject: Re: (orbital) RE: [orbital) Mp3 / Software Piracy
Date: 09 Aug 1998 01:55:20 -0700


Price, Steve A wrote:
>
>
> >Dxford wrote
> >
> >>What is Zeraw?
>
> Undernet - #zeraw - sit and watch for 30 mins.

Ahhchachacha!  Thanks.

> >
> >>Awww come on Loopzy!  What happened to that CDR of unreleased stuff you
> >>promised to send me?! :)
>
> LOL. Dont start that again...You are more geniune than the last person
> who said that though...but then again Tony Blair was more geniune than
> that person. :)

Tony Blair Likes teletubbies!

>
> >>Yes, they are.  And Once again :FUCK THE RIAA!!!!!! :)
>
> ermmm...who are the RIAA

They are the Recording Industry Association of America, or something
like that.  They are the assholes who say what you can and cant print
cause its a sample, etc etc.

>
> >>Personally, I prefer trading audio recordings on a thin sheet of urine.
> >>Ouch!
>
> I know... that porn music u sent me was a bit crap btw - and why was
> each track only 2 minutes long (what does that tell us about your sex
> performance matt  ;)   ).

I dont know.  Funny, I dont remember that. :)  I do remember the DAT you
sent me of you taking a piss in the woods.  :o

>
> Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: "7 7 7" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) MTV-Video
Date: 09 Aug 1998 03:07:08 PDT


>Hi there!

Hello yourself :)

>Have anyone seen the video "Belfast/Wasted" on MTV in the last weeks?

No, but I'd wish though. MTV (Northern) Europe has this problem that
it's so heavily influenced by crap dance music and you never get to see
any good bands on it, just Puffy, E-Type, Dr°mhus (don't ask!), Busta
Rhymes, etc. Watched Party Zone a few times, but they never play what I
want. Can you send requests to them??

>Who┤s the singer in this video?

If the singer was a man, then I suppose it'd be the same as on the EP,
Grant Fulton. If the singer was a woman, I'd take a guess at it being
Auntie again.

>And what EP is this?

It's the Volume EP with the above-mentioned Orbital track and another
called "Innocent X" by Therapy?
Totally an EP of two halves, the Orbital track is just awesome while
Therapy? is the track you skip. (at least my opinion and nobody seems to
share it nowadays.. ;P)

Regards,

Trym

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From: "Wouter Hermans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) MTV-Video
Date: 09 Aug 1998 23:19:45 +0200


>Are you referring to the song which ends with "Bye now..." by that male,
>computer-ish voice. a rather long commercial bit where it tells about
>Alternative Nation, Star Traxx and stuff? if so, then you completely
>read my mind because the present song on that commercial is kinda cool,
>but I haven't got a clue as to its name but I really want to find out.


yesyes that one...  i heard it before, but i just can't place a name on
it... would love to get it somewhere maybe... if the group isn't spice girls
that is ;)

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From: "Geoffrey Elgey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) RE: Frontside
Date: 10 Aug 1998 08:32:40 +1000


G'day,

> There's a song on the Northern Exposure East Coast edition from Sasha and
> John Digweed called "Dammerung" by Frontside.
>
> anything know if there is anything else by this group?  I dig the song and
> would love to know more.

They are an Aussie duo, from Melbourne I think - Digweed was down under a
while back, heard the track, and apaprently resequenced "Northern Exposure"
to fit "Dammerung" in.

Haven't heard anything else by them, but I remember reading that they have a
full-length release out now or very soon. Will have to hunt around and check
for which label, etc. I'm not sure if it will be more of the same style as
the track on "Northern Exposure" - I seem to recall an article on them
stating they were heading more towards breakbeats, but I could be wrong :-)

Cheers,
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Subject: (orbital) woooohah orbital on tv
Date: 07 Aug 1998 20:16:37 -0700


i was just watching some crappy tv and i flipped to this show and they were doing body painting so i stopped to watch.. then it ended and what do i hear?? sad but true... woooooohah.. oooh and 45 minutes until ru receiving :)
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Subject: Re: (orbital) need help IDing song
Date: 08 Aug 1998 19:50:59 -0700


**
Ok, I was listening to the college radio station here, WUNH 91.3FM, and heard this song.  All it is is a stupid beat with a ton of samples of Dan Rather.  It starts out with him saying something like "I'm Dan Rather and this is the CBS news."  The rest of the song is samples of him mixed together to make weird phrases.  It was funny as hell.  If anyone knows the name of the artist, or just the song, please tell.
**

oh god i just heard that the other night.. funny as hell.. i was gonna write down the info but i didn't.. GRR.. i'll try n find out for you though..
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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) The visit
Date: 08 Aug 1998 18:51:34 +0100


"Jon Green" writes
>
>>So whats best vinyl or cd ;) LOL
>
>I fail to see how the 'music is analogue, so a CD is not true to the music'
>argument works when the music's been created and/or mastered digitally
>anyway. And why are older CDs quiter than new ones?

True, but I always feel that vinyl sounds much warmer. It sounds a bit
stupid, but the cones of my speakers always move much more when playing
vinyl than CD or radio, so that's enough to convince me. Something to do
with low frequencies apparently. There was an argument in uk.music.rave
about this a few weeks ago.

>At 18:51 07/08/98 +0100, Tim wrote:
> The Golden Girls
>>"Kinetic" has been rereleased on Distincive. My mate at the record shop
>>tells me that the Orbital mix is included.
>
>Is that the 'Orbital mix' that's not remixed by Orbital or the one that is?
>

Here, I fall flat on my face, because I haven't got a clue. I'll
probably buy it anyway cause I like the original track.

p.s Has anyone heard the Freestylers album yet?
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From: "Patrick McGinn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Gone for a while
Date: 09 Aug 1998 19:12:41 -0400


Well, on Tuesday I will be moving to Lexington, Kentucky.  Because of they
way things are working out, I will be away from my computer for 2-3 weeks.
I'll try to use the computers at school to check my e-mail whenever I can,
but until I get my comp back, I have to unsubscribe from all my lists.  If
you need to contact me, e-mail [e-mail].

Thanks.

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From: Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Minidiscs
Date: 09 Aug 1998 21:38:11 -0400


Fr=E9d=E9ric Fournier wrote:

> Now is it better to buy a minidisc recorder or a cd burner, since they'=
re
> about the same price? Well that's another question. minidisc is portabl=
e
> everywhere, doesn't require a computer... blanks are 4-5 times more
> expensive though, and you can't copy data...

I don't think there's anything more portable than a CD.  Who doesn't own =
a CD
player nowdays?  And at about $2.50 CDN or less for a blank, you can't go=
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Non Orbital question
Date: 09 Aug 1998 22:25:08 EDT


Am soon going to Paris...Does anyone know the best electronic/techno
nightclubs...as well as the best cd/record shops for techno??
Thank you...would appreciate any info.


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From: Dirty Epic <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Dream Injection
Date: 09 Aug 1998 20:43:40 -0600




Doug Radcliffe wrote:

> Yo
>
> Does anyone have any of the "Dream Injection" compilations.  There are 5
> of them I believe and the artists on them are pretty good.. some Autechre,
> a few Orbital tunes, Aphex Twin and lots more.

Well, I got one from a trade I did awhile ago, and I'm not dissappointed at
all.  It's got some pretty good stuff on it, being the first in the series and
all.  Here's the track listing:

CD_1
1. FSOL- Omnipresence
2. Beaumont Hannant - Teqtonik
3. Speedy J - Pepper (original version)
4. Time Modem - Zvyozony
5. Fuse - A new day
6. Biosphere - The fairy tale (remix)
7. Autechre - Doctrine
8. Mu-Ziq - Tango n' vectif
9. Lumukanda - Walk in thee Black Forest
10. Underworld - Spikee
11. The Cheklists - Global (remix)
12. Air Liquide - Theme from Robot Wars

CD_2
1. Sun Electric - Sarotti
2. Leviathan - Slavedance
3. AFX - .215061 (Analogue Bubblebath 3)
4. Difficult Child - Fear
5. Soma - Dark Koma
6. Juno Reactor - High Energy Protons (orion mix)
7. Clock DVA - The Operators
8. Implant Code - Hyperspace Enter
9. Atom Heart - I see more...
10. Zen Paradox - The light at the end...?
11. Age - Eine fremde Lebensform
12. Kenny Larkin - Maritim

>
>
> If you have them, how would you rate them?  Are most of the tunes like
> Orbital stuff?  The title would suggestion a lighter, trance-style
> tracks.. which is what I like.  Let me know if you have heard them.

Well, each track has it's own style.  I mean, there are a few big names on
there.  Although, I must say the more obscure people on there sound kind of
cheesy.  Almost as if they're not the same caliber as the rest.  But, it's
still fun to listen to.

>
>
> And if anyone wants to get rid of them, I'll buy em ;)

Sorry, I plan on keeping mine for awhile.

>
>
> thanks!
>
> Doug

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From: [e-mail] (Brandon Invergo)
Subject: (orbital) mm mm good
Date: 10 Aug 1998 01:04:02 EDT


hey everyone-

just got back from vacation.  while gone, i got amber by autechre, and
when i got home, i had midnight/choice, lush 3, radiccio, and are we
here? waiting for me.  very cool... this brings me to two questions:

1)  sorry, but can someone explain the criminal justice bill thing again?
 i guess reply privately to this so as not to bug the others with a
question that's been asked before.

2)where can i get the naked and the dead and the dub and the chime edit
songs that are listed for the "halcyon" cd listed inside of diversions?

oh, and by the by, i saw the movie pi last week...excellent
soundtrack...for those who don't know, its got autechre's "kalpol introl"
and orbital's "p.e.t.r.o.l." on it.  i cant remember anything else
off-hand, except that the main theme (which i think is called "pi"r▓
(since i can't figure out how to do the pi symbol))  those were the only
songs that you really heard all that much in the movie.  go check it out,
though i don't know if i can reccomend the soundtrack yet, since i
haven't heard all of it.

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Subject: Re: (orbital) Dream Injection
Date: 09 Aug 1998 22:58:52 PDT


>CD_1
>1. FSOL- Omnipresence
>2. Beaumont Hannant - Teqtonik
>3. Speedy J - Pepper (original version)
>4. Time Modem - Zvyozony
>5. Fuse - A new day
>6. Biosphere - The fairy tale (remix)

what do you think about this one?

>7. Autechre - Doctrine
>8. Mu-Ziq - Tango n' vectif
>9. Lumukanda - Walk in thee Black Forest
>10. Underworld - Spikee
>11. The Cheklists - Global (remix)
>12. Air Liquide - Theme from Robot Wars

>Well, each track has it's own style.  I mean, there are a few big names
on
>there.  Although, I must say the more obscure people on there sound
kind of
>cheesy.  Almost as if they're not the same caliber as the rest.  But,
it's
>still fun to listen to.

Lots of unknown names on there, if you're into Orbital, System 7,
Laurent Garnier, The Orb, Biosphere, etc.., which would you recommend?


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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Dream Injection
Date: 10 Aug 1998 02:28:33 -0700




>
>>CD_1
>>1. FSOL- Omnipresence
>>2. Beaumont Hannant - Teqtonik
>>3. Speedy J - Pepper (original version)
>>4. Time Modem - Zvyozony
>>5. Fuse - A new day
>>6. Biosphere - The fairy tale (remix)
>>7. Autechre - Doctrine
>>8. Mu-Ziq - Tango n' vectif
>>9. Lumukanda - Walk in thee Black Forest
>>10. Underworld - Spikee
>>11. The Cheklists - Global (remix)
>>12. Air Liquide - Theme from Robot Wars


Has anyone heard of Air Liquide before?  I have one song by them called
Liquid Air and is really amazing.  Starts off as total trance with some
women saying all of this weird shit to put you into a mind journey, and then
a cool beat and everything come in.  Quite an interesting trak.  Just
wondering what their other stuff is like.
thanx
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From: Doris Hernandez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Official Release Bootlegs + on + on -Reply
Date: 10 Aug 1998 09:25:34 -0500


>> Brian <[e-mail]> 08/07/98 11:25pm >>>

I think artists lose out the most when it comes to used CD stores not
having to pay them royalties.  Then again, maybe if new CD prices were
set
reasonably there wouldn't be a market for used ones?  Creating CDs
doesn't
cost much at all when they're being mass produced --it's too bad most of
the money goes to the bloated music industry and not the artist.
I hope
in future more artists are able to sell direct to the fans through online
methods, 800 numbers, etc.

sorry.... i know this is a late responce to an OLD topic, but  i had to say
something regarding this. even though it may sound entirely biased!

the general opionion (it seems to me) is that the music industry should
be sucked dry a bit for being so bloated and greedy and nasty. good
point at that, but record companies lose more money on artists than you
realize: imagine the price of engineers, studio time, producer and
mastering costs, photography, art, packaging, distribution, and promotion
(i'm leaving out some other costs too). if the artist is smart, and goes into
a deal reading their fine print, then they know EXACTLY what they're
getting into. no one goes into it wide-eyed, i hope. that would be pure
stupidity.
alot of money can be made on both sides, of course. this all depends on
talent and the all important buying public...
as for artists selling directly... of course they can do that; all you need is
the money to do it. most people would rather let someone else (i.e: a
major-or even small- label) do it for them. the amount of work and money
put into this can be insane, and keeping track of sales, paying royalties to
contributors, taxes, and millions of other things that go into manufacturing
and distributing your own product...it's hard to explain without further
boring the hell out of all of you.

thanks for putting up with the capitalistic piggy view... :)
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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) mp3's, Satan (Vocal Mix), Opus 3
Date: 10 Aug 1998 13:44:38 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> now with that out of the way, i've a semi-orbital realated question:
> i've heard there is an accapella (sp?) version of It's a Fine Day by Opus
> 3...anyone know how easy it is to find this?...

    It's on the 'It's a Fine Day' maxi-single. It can be found, but you'll
probably end up paying at least $20-$30 for it. (I found a copy when I was
working at blockbuster, but never got around to buying it). Find a store that
will special-order imports, and go from there..

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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) CD Buying
Date: 10 Aug 1998 13:47:32 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> Where exactly can I find the Wasted Remix of Belfast. I actually have it on a
> BURNT CD, but it is the only burnt CD I own and it actually has meaning behind
> it. Anyway, I only found Belfast Wasted on MP3 and was wondering where it can
> really be found. Thanks alot. Later.

    I have it on the "Wasted - The Best of Volume, part one" compilation. If you
can find it, it's got a ton of really good stuff from the early 90's. Orb,
Underworld, System 7, Autechre, Aphex Twin, Bjork, Tricky, Sabres of Paradise,
Spooky, and a lot more..

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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Footwear Repair
Date: 10 Aug 1998 13:53:41 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> At 12:28 07/08/98 +0000, Morey Gamble wrote:
>
> >       Here's my chance to spout off about something.. :) If you haven't
> >bought the new Underworld video compilation, drop everything and go
> >do it now.
>
> And I'll get an NTSC video recorder while I'm at it, shall I? Come to think
> of it, any video recorder would be a start....  Wish they'd hurry up and
> release it over here.

    Err, yeah. Sorry about that, I was high on underworld at the time..:)

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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) The visit
Date: 10 Aug 1998 14:07:36 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> At 12:28 07/08/98 +0000, Morey Gamble wrote:
> >       Hmm.. The original version of Watching Windows really isn't jungle.
> >It's like 140bpm.

> I tend to classify jungle by the style rather than just the tempo. Pitch it

> up to to 160 and tell me it's not jungle.

    I don't even think it sounds like jungle, really..

> The last Photek remix I heard (I think it was of one of Goldie's crap
> recent singles) was slow and boring. Is that his new style? I hope not.

    I'm not sure exactly what his 'new style' is, but he's getting ready (at
least in the US) to release a whole boatload of his old singles on a compilation
CD.

> I fail to see how the 'music is analogue, so a CD is not true to the music'
> argument works when the music's been created and/or mastered digitally
> anyway. And why are older CDs quiter than new ones?

    It sort of depends. A lot of times the CD mastering process removes certain
frequencies, causing the recording to sound flatter, or duller, than the original
sound. The frequencies are right at the limits of what the human ear can
distinguish, so it was sort of decided that it was reasonable loss. Some people
can hear the difference, and some can't. A lot of CD's these days are using
20-bit mastering instead of 16-bit, and it does make some improvement in the
warmth of the sound. The difference in the quality is hardly noticeable, but it
adds just enough high-frequency to make the recording sound a little more full on
good systems. ALso, from what I've heard, there is no real standard for CD
manufacturing, and a lot of times the final copies that end up in stores sound
quite different from the masters sent off for duplication.

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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) RE Underworld Video
Date: 10 Aug 1998 14:09:08 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> Can anyone help me - please
>
> Where can I get the new unerworlds video on the net.
>
> Yunno "Footwear Repair by craftmen" or something like that.

    I think they have it at CDNow. (http://www.cdnow.com)

-Morey





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Subject: Re: (orbital) RE: [orbital) Mp3 / Software Piracy
Date: 10 Aug 1998 14:15:49 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> ermmm...who are the RIAA

> They are the Recording Industry Association of America, or something
> like that.  They are the assholes who say what you can and cant print
> cause its a sample, etc etc.

    Actually, the the assholes you're thinking of are the US government.
Copyright law, you know.. And ultimately it goes to the individual holder of
the copyright, but the people that control it are people like ASCAP, BMI,
SESAC, etc. Copyright administration companies. (But, yes, they're pretty tight
with the RIAA)

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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) RE: [orbital) Mp3 / Software Piracy
Date: 10 Aug 1998 11:34:14 -0700


The RIAA only calls on the US government when who ever they are
investigating, etc doesnt comply with serval warnings and threats to
discontinue doing whatever illegal things they are doing with someone
elses "musical property".  While ASCAP are the folks you pay in order to
use a sample or whatnot (like renting a movie i suppose), the RIAA are
more like the police of the industry, as they ones who are funded by the
large companies.  Recently, the RIAA has resorted to fining and
threatening compact disc manufacturers for manufacturing CDs that have
samples that the musician and their label have failed to clear with
ASCAP.

Im sure Id understand this a little better if I had taken home that RIAA
thing at work.
.MatthewFord.

Morey Gamble wrote:
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > ermmm...who are the RIAA
>
> > They are the Recording Industry Association of America, or something
> > like that.  They are the assholes who say what you can and cant print
> > cause its a sample, etc etc.
>
>     Actually, the the assholes you're thinking of are the US government.
> Copyright law, you know.. And ultimately it goes to the individual holder of
> the copyright, but the people that control it are people like ASCAP, BMI,
> SESAC, etc. Copyright administration companies. (But, yes, they're pretty tight
> with the RIAA)
>
> -Morey


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From: Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Action Records - ARGH
Date: 10 Aug 1998 19:03:46 -0400 (EDT)



I ordered something from Action Records and I really hate the way they are
so....  silent.  I can't get anyone there to mail me back and I'd rather
not call them internationally.  Has anoyone ever gotten through to their
email address and conversed with someone?

IMVS.com, on the other hand, ROCKS.  I ordered 5 CDs (Salt Tank ST series
and Schematix EPs) on 8/3.  Well, I got them today, 8/10.  Kick ass.
Plus, they have a cool order tracking system.

IMVS kicks ass.  Did I say that?

Anyhow, if anyone has had success talking with Action Records, please give
me the secret.  I need to talk to them about my order.

thanks!

Doug




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From: Sean Granger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Minidiscs
Date: 10 Aug 1998 18:44:49 -0500


FrΘdΘric Fournier:
>
>>Well, my understanding of it, is that the older version of
>>the minidisc format was crap. The discs didn't have very much
>
>
>if they'll make portable drives to read those high density minidiscs. That
>would kick ass, great walkman + 600meg disk drive all in one small small
>small package...
Check this out....HAVE ANY of you people on this list heard of the MPMAN. It's a portable MP3 player. It comes w/ 32MB of flash memory, upgradable to 64MB. it's like $300 for that version. Has a docking station, parallel connection thing to upload and download from, software, free "registered" copy of winamp and blah blah blah....if i was rich....id get it just cuz its one of those cool lil things that makes you laugh. i think to find out about it go here http://ted.winamp.com/MPMAN/
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From: [e-mail] (Reece KH)
Subject: Re: (orbital) remixing definitions
Date: 10 Aug 1998 23:48:26 GMT


>
> >Dub: A new style of reggae which emerged in the late 70s. Very chill
> and often accentuating
> >bass-lines. Basically the hashish version of reggae(Very cool to play
> when you're stoned).
> >I forgot to add - also very cool to listen to when you're stoned.
>
> Tell me what's NOT cool to listen to when you're stoned.

ventolin. oh, and britpop i can't stand :)

-= over and out =-

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From: [e-mail] (Reece KH)
Subject: Re: (orbital) shopping
Date: 10 Aug 1998 23:41:40 GMT


i don't know if someone's already mentioned this, i'm still trying to catch up with the list after a busy period :)
when i got afx's analog(ue?) bubblebath 3 and found no print on either side, my heart leapt! but i was gutted
to find it didn't play both sides, and wondered if any have been made to play both sides. and to this day i am
still seeking enlightenment.

> And same with the cd having no print.  One question though.  Can the cd be
> played on either side, and will it fuck up my cd player to play the disk
> upside down?  Was wondering if the music would be backwards if played upside
> down?  I just don't want to accidently stick the cd in my cd player upside
> down sometime and toast it.



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From: [e-mail] (Reece KH)
Subject: Re: (orbital) Mp3 vs. CD... Sod that!.. "Kinetic" remix
Date: 11 Aug 1998 00:39:33 GMT


> I used to have quite a few rare Mp3's on my fast computer. Then it
> crashed. Now I don't have them. Doh.

hehehe, i told partition magic to resize the wrong drive, and wept silently as my 300+ mp3 collection was
destroyed.

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From: [e-mail] (Reece KH)
Subject: Re: (orbital) Other Techno Mailing Lists
Date: 10 Aug 1998 23:34:43 GMT


> Can someone tell me information on other electronica mailing lists or
> where I can get such information?

No! There are no other lists!

-= over and out =-

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From: [e-mail] (Reece KH)
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Official Release Bootlegs + on +
Date: 11 Aug 1998 00:36:34 GMT


>
>
> > Hahahah!!!!!!!
> > Just dont mention candyflipping or vinyl vs cd
>
>     Or how wonderful orbital is on acid. (that was a fun one...)

oh yes. sooo gooooood. Like every little note is singing out and is a masterpiece in itself, and everything is
absolutely perfect. And when...

um, i meant, uh... so what is it like then?

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From: Kel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) CD Buying
Date: 09 Aug 1998 23:53:46 -0400


Dave O'Connor wrote:
> I hate to say this, because it's SUCH an annoying thing to say but: get a
> job.

Arrone J Merelli wrote:
> <nod>.  I think Dave is right. The only reason I buy this many CDs
> is because I have money from working. :)

Yeah, well, I have a job. Not meaning to be bitter, but I am so ticked
off about this. STARpango, my parents don't buy any CDs for me, that'd
be a step away from saying they like techno, which they don't ;P I do
work about 15 hours a week for a pretty good wage, and the people on my
job are great, so I don't mind it at all. but my parents snatch every
paycheck away before the money even gets warm in my hand and put it in
the bank. Which means they keep tabs on my job money, and they'll know
if I try to take any out behind their backs.

I don't drive yet, but I've got my skates, and the post office is just a
short roll away... I'll be getting my own p.o. box before the summer is
out and buying my own cds with my own money and my own little address...
fuck whatever my dad says. Thanx for the advice, everyone, nice to know
I'm not "clinically obsessed" as my dad puts it...
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Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Minidiscs
Date: 10 Aug 1998 23:50:26 EDT


I have heard about that MPMan. I didn't know that it was called that, but I
knew it was around. IT seems kind of cool, it just can't hold enough music. If
it could hold, say 600 or something, that would be awesome. Oh well, I guess
we have to wait 3 weeks before they invent that one. Later.
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Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Minidiscs
Date: 11 Aug 1998 02:35:49 -0400


>Check this out....HAVE ANY of you people on this list heard of the MPMAN.
>It's a portable MP3 player. It comes w/ 32MB of flash memory, upgradable to

forget the mpman... 300$?? What a ripoff!!

1) The 64mb cartridge is not a cartridge, it's a chip inside the mpman that
cannot be removed or changed at will!

2) parallel interface means 300k/s max transfer rate meaning that to fill
your 64 megabytes you need to wait for over 20 minutes!

3) data carrying? bull, for 300$ you can get a sparq drive with 4 gigs worth
of cartridges. Or you can get a cd burner (350$ at most). Or you can get a
minidisc recorder which at least gives you recording capacities and disc
changing capacity.

as far as music is concerned, for 300$ I'd get a cd burner without even
considering the mpman.

And after the cd burner, what would I buy? The mp3-cdr-playing-discman! Saw
a website for that, it's not yet in production but it's serious and is gonna
be available soon.... look around...

Derf

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Naked and the Dead/Dub / Chime (edit)
Date: 11 Aug 1998 08:04:30 +0100


>[e-mail] (Brandon Invergo)
>wrote
>
>2)where can i get the naked and the dead and the dub and the chime edit
>songs that are listed for the "halcyon" cd listed inside of diversions?

Chime edit can be found on the Chime CD and Chime 7 Inch.
Click on CHIME in the DISCOG section of LOOPZ for full information

Naked and the Dub and Dead can be found on the Raddicio EP -
Naked and the Dead is on most formats...but DUB is on one of the 12
inches.
Click RADDICIO EP in the DISCOG secion of LOOPZ for full information

www.hyperreal.org/loopz <--------is LOOPZ btw :)

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) CD Buying & Lequash
Date: 11 Aug 1998 09:21:25 +0200


>hey lequash!  longtime no see and what's new?  i agree with you i work to
>put myself through college but i work alot so that i can fuel my need for
>music...again averaging about 40 -50 cds a month.  i been into the scene
>since 94 and am still catching up on the old stuff as well as keeping up on
>the coming up.  but then there are my friends who pay me money to run them
>off the stuff that they like and basically all my cds that i buy are free
>in that regard.  i've had my minidisc player for a little over a year
>now!!!....and i use it alot...so is anyone else looking for the digital
>trade club? LOL

Hey Mike, you pop out on the list every other year :)
I know you work to get yourself thru college, but things aren't all that
similar with you and me. You are aware that in my country the prices
are mucho higher and paychecks have a substantialy lower amounts
on them. Plus, I'd never find the stuff I want available in shops here.
40-50 CDs a month is what i call life, but to tell you the truth
my CD collection doesn't go over the number of 50. 15 Orbital CDs,
5 FSOL, 4 Orb, 7 Sunscreem, 7 Pet Shop Boys, and the rest are
compilations plus the Garbage album and a very special Reprazent
album. But...the magic word is mp3. I have like 13 or 15 CDs full of
mp3s (the last three will get burnt this week) -- that's like more than
a hundred albums that can only be played thru my computer.
Otherwise I would have never had ALL the underworld/freur/lemon
interupt stuff, the trillion of Autechre albums and EPs, Fatboy Slim,
Propellerheads, Gaia, John B, 4 Hero, Prodigy, J Majik, T Power,
Nostramus, Crystal Method, Photek, Bukem, Fluke, Goldie....the
list goes on forever. And as I said, I have absolutely no remorse
of having all that stuff in mp3...I admit, audio CDs would be great,
but I can't afford them. And being a music junky that I am, I just
gotta have new (& old!) music. :)

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Subject: (orbital) LFO ?
Date: 11 Aug 1998 03:31:23 PDT


is LFO any good? any place to start exploring?

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From: "Alistair Roylance" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) (Orbital) Re: CD (Ha Ha) vs Vinyl
Date: 11 Aug 1998 14:39:00 +0000




>I don't think there's anything more portable than a CD.  Who doesn't
>own = a CD player nowdays?  And at about $2.50 CDN or less for a
>blank, you can't go wrong.

Well, I don't own a CD player, and don't really ever want to. CD
quality recording are just simply not as good as vinyl. The big
problem in the vinyl vs CD war is that 99% of the population has
never heard a vinyl record played on a decent turntable. An average
CD player does sounds far far better then the standard
turntable you get with most "hi-fi" (HA HA) equipment. However, you
compare a stlg1000 turntable with a stlg1000 CD player.....there is no
choice. Vinyl and analogue signals win hands down. No question.

Long live "real" recordings...away with your digital
approximations!!!!

Al





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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) CD Buying
Date: 11 Aug 1998 17:50:13 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> I don't drive yet, but I've got my skates, and the post office is just a
> short roll away.. I'll be getting my own p.o. box before the summer is
> out and buying my own cds with my own money and my own little address...
> fuck whatever my dad says. Thanx for the advice, everyone, nice to know
> I'm not "clinically obsessed" as my dad puts it...

    That sounds like a good way to go about it. Another thing I learned a while
back - Parents really don't like it when you say things like "Oh yeah? Well my
friends on the internet say......." (at least mine didn't)

-Morey





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From: Sean Granger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Minidiscs
Date: 11 Aug 1998 18:34:16 -0500


you're dumb, you actually think i was SERIOUS? it's just one of those dork devices that's actually bordering on being cute it's so funny. someone had mentioned how minidiscs were awesome, for both data and music, so i figured i'd be a smartass and reply to it w/ that message...oh and the parallel port is slower then 300k a second, ECP maxes out around 250


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From: Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Schematix
Date: 11 Aug 1998 20:48:40 -0400 (EDT)




Just wanted to drop a note.  If anyone has not ordered the Schematix EPs,
they should definitely do so.  Anyone clamoring for Orbital-esque stuff,
there it is.  Schematix's EPs are awesome and well worth the money.

Loopz, what's Schematix up to?  Any more releases coming soon?  I saw the
mention of the Schizoid Man release..   anything else?

Doug



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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) New Question
Date: 12 Aug 1998 00:51:39 EDT


Ok, now that I have been on the list for about 9 months, I ws just wondering.
Who is in charge of this list? I am very aware of who runs the Moby list, but
I never knew if someone ran this one because it seems to control it self
better than Mobility. And, before I spend all my money on all the new (old)
orbital stuff that I don't have, can someone tell me what raddiccio (sp?) is
and if it is good. And, is there anyone who wants to sell / trade me their
Halcyon? Later.
AJ


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From: Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) New Question
Date: 12 Aug 1998 01:24:57 -0400 (EDT)




> orbital stuff that I don't have, can someone tell me what raddiccio (sp?) is

As far as I know, Radiccio is the equivalent of the US release of the
Halcyon single/EP with minor differences.

The US Halcyon EP contains:

Halcyon (11:00)
The Naked and the Dead (6:23)
The Naked and the Dub (11:51)
Sunday (7:10)
Chime Radio Edit (3:15)

Radiccio contains:

Halcyon Edit
Halcyon (or is it Holycon?.. or a typo on this here listing I'm at)
Deeper
The Naked and the Dead
Sunday
The Naked and the Dub


There could be other differences, though not sure.  I have the US EP and
not the UK Radiccio.

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From: Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Singles on TAPE?
Date: 12 Aug 1998 01:32:11 -0400 (EDT)




I don't think I've ever seen an Orbital single/EP on cassette, but my
first experience with Orbital WAS a single tape.  The first Orbital thing
I ever got was Chime on cassette single.  It has:

Side 1

Chime (Extended) 12:39
Crime 5:31

Side 2

Chime (Joey Beltram/Program 2 Mix) 5:26
Open Mind 5:28
Open Mind (Funky Alternatives Mix) 6:28


I thought I got it as just a whim in 92 and have been hooked ever since.
Were there many US cassette Orbital singles?  Anyone have a collection..
or any?  heh.

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From: Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Midnight/Choice
Date: 12 Aug 1998 01:36:01 -0400 (EDT)




One last question and I'll stop bugging people.

Really.


The CD Single of Midnight/Choice that is available still in the UK, which
single is that?  Does it include the "REMIXES" or is it just the straight
up songs from the CD (Plus the Analogue Test 2/90) ??  I see on Loopz
discography that there are two UK general releases.  The remixed versions
and the standard.

Has anyone ordered it recently?  Which was it?

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From: [e-mail] (Don Thompson)
Subject: (orbital) Re: New Question
Date: 12 Aug 1998 09:45:42 -0600


Doug,
             You're right on the US release, but what you have as the UK
release is actually (as far as I know) the Japanese release of Radiccio.
The UK release only has the following tracks:

Halcyon
The Naked and The Dead
Sunday

Anyone else that would like to confirm and or deny this...I'd be happy to
hear. Also, Doug or anyone else....can anyone find me a copy of the US
release of Radiccio. I believe it was called the Halcyon EP in the US. I
can't seem to find it anywhere.....thanks!

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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) New Question
Date: 12 Aug 1998 14:53:40 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> Ok, now that I have been on the list for about 9 months, I ws just wondering.
> Who is in charge of this list? I am very aware of who runs the Moby list, but
> I never knew if someone ran this one because it seems to control it self
> better than Mobility. And, before I spend all my money on all the new (old)
> orbital stuff that I don't have, can someone tell me what raddiccio (sp?) is
> and if it is good. And, is there anyone who wants to sell / trade me their
> Halcyon? Later.

    I think this list is technically run by lazlo, but it's always pretty much
policed itself. Most of us get along pretty well most of the time.

-Morey





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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Midnight/Choice
Date: 12 Aug 1998 15:01:21 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> One last question and I'll stop bugging people.
>
> Really.
>
> The CD Single of Midnight/Choice that is available still in the UK, which
> single is that?  Does it include the "REMIXES" or is it just the straight
> up songs from the CD (Plus the Analogue Test 2/90) ??  I see on Loopz
> discography that there are two UK general releases.  The remixed versions
> and the standard.
>
> Has anyone ordered it recently?  Which was it?

    I actually ordered this one a coupla months ago from ab-cd. The mix of
Midnight is different from the ones on both versions of the green album
(yellow). It's pretty cool. The mix of Choice is the same, and it has Analogue
Test Feb. '90 on it as well (which is kinda groovy). It's worth getting if you
like Midnight at all.

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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: New Question
Date: 12 Aug 1998 15:06:57 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> Halcyon
> The Naked and The Dead
> Sunday
>
> Anyone else that would like to confirm and or deny this...I'd be happy to
> hear. Also, Doug or anyone else....can anyone find me a copy of the US
> release of Radiccio. I believe it was called the Halcyon EP in the US. I
> can't seem to find it anywhere....thanks!

    That's what mine has. My 12" has 'Halcyon' and 'The Naked and the Dub'.

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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: Raddicio EP
Date: 12 Aug 1998 15:07:43 -0400 (EDT)


Excerpts from mail: 12-Aug-98 (orbital) Re: New Question by
[e-mail]
>              You're right on the US release, but what you have as the UK
> release is actually (as far as I know) the Japanese release of Radiccio.
> The UK release only has the following tracks:
>
> Halcyon
> The Naked and The Dead
> Sunday
>
> Anyone else that would like to confirm and or deny this...I'd be happy to
> hear. Also, Doug or anyone else....can anyone find me a copy of the US
> release of Radiccio. I believe it was called the Halcyon EP in the US. I
> can't seem to find it anywhere.....thanks!

I think that is correct - I recently got the Raddicio EP (UK version,
I believe, on Internal), and those are the 3 tracks. Never seen the
Halcyon EP anywhere.... Would have much rather have that than the UK
version. Sunday was a good track, Halcyon is very good too but it
doesn't hold a candle to Halcyon+On+On, so it makes the song seem
worse than it is :)  And The Naked and The Dead is, well decent but
nothing special... so it may not have been worth the rather large
amount of money I paid for it - which was like $12-15 or so.


Regards,
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From: Digger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Midnight/Choice
Date: 13 Aug 1998 01:31:23 -0500


<SNIP>
>The CD Single of Midnight/Choice that is available still in the UK, which
>single is that?  Does it include the "REMIXES" or is it just the straight
>up songs from the CD (Plus the Analogue Test 2/90) ??  I see on Loopz
>discography that there are two UK general releases.  The remixed versions
>and the standard.
<Snip Again>

I've picked up 3 copies recently (one for my bro., one for myself, and one
I sent to Hexaphim in a trade deal we had).  I got 'em at blockbuster music
when they were selling all their imports at like 50%-75% off.  They were
liquidating all imports 'cause they weren't gonna cary imports/order
imports ever again.

Any way...the 3 copies that I got were straight Midnight/Choice album
versions with analoug track.

I hope that helps.

The one single I suggest getting is Belfast/Wasted  when I first heard that
single...it was smooth!


Thanks,
    Digger
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Subject: Re: (orbital) New Question
Date: 13 Aug 1998 01:34:29 -0500


At 02:53 PM 8/12/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> Ok, now that I have been on the list for about 9 months, I ws just
wondering.
>> Who is in charge of this list?
<SNIP>
>    I think this list is technically run by lazlo, but it's always pretty
much
>policed itself. Most of us get along pretty well most of the time.
<SNIP>

Yes...technically Lazlo runs this list.  We never hear from him/her, nor is
he/she responsive to personal mails regaurding questions about the list.  I
have no idea how Lazlo gained control......but I believe the ever popular
Loopz (Hi Steve!  :-)) was the original owner.

Ok..just wanted to confirm the Lazlo thing.


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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) New Question
Date: 13 Aug 1998 07:52:18 -0400


>Yes...technically Lazlo runs this list.  We never hear from him/her, nor
>is he/she responsive to personal mails regaurding questions about >the
list.  I have no idea how Lazlo gained control......but I believe the >ever
popular Loopz (Hi Steve!  :-)) was the original owner.


Loopz is not the original owner of this list, as far as I know. On the
orbital station page he said
"The Mailing List.....
I decided to start a Mailing List over the Bulletin Boards using
Netmail/Fidonet/Treknet. Then came the first LOOPZ magazine which sold more
than i expected. I then joined the Xmission list (which was very good in
them days) and met more obsessed people (including EA!). I never realised
the following that Orbital had."

Aimee



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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Midnight/Choice
Date: 13 Aug 1998 14:55:35 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> Any way...the 3 copies that I got were straight Midnight/Choice album
> versions with analoug track.

    Are you sure the versions of Midnight were the same? I'm gonna have to
listen to 'em when I get home tonite.. :)

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From: Kel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Concert Info??
Date: 12 Aug 1998 18:41:38 -0400


Hey, this is sort of o.t., but hope no one minds...

Does anyone know a good web site to keep tabs on tours like Orbital and
Underworld? Ae and Orbital might be coming this way soon, so some tour
schedules would be appreciated. Dates, cities, ticket info, etc.
Searching Ticketmaster's site is pretty ponderous as it is, I hope
someone's got better advice. Thanx as always,
                        KEL
PS: On an entirely unrelated note, how the hell do you pronounce Autechre?
I asked The Wall if they had Amber or maybe LP5, but I didn't know how to
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Concert Info??
Date: 14 Aug 1998 00:12:46 EDT


If I am not mistaken - it is aw-tech-ra. I don't own any of their albums, so I
am not any expert. And this is off topic, but I was wondering if there is
anyone on the list who has been to the 9:30 club in DC? Crystal Method is
playign there and my birthday and I was wondering if it is any good and if the
CM show is any good? Thanks. Later.
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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 14 Aug 1998 00:26:06 -0400


hey.. i just mentioned on irc about crystal method selling out.. but like
that's not the important part.. then james says that he thinks orbital sold
out.. i TOTALLY do not think so.. what do you guys think?
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Hughes)
Subject: Re: (orbital) Concert Info??
Date: 14 Aug 1998 01:09:20 -0400


> PS: On an entirely unrelated note, how the hell do you pronounce Autechre?
> I asked The Wall if they had Amber or maybe LP5, but I didn't know how to
> say their name. I ended up saying "Ow-tek-ree" or something equally stupid :)

I don't know why, but I pronnounce it awe-tech-ur, and I beleive this is
correct. Anyone disagree? c'mon, let's take this outside! ;-)




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From: [e-mail] (Brandon Invergo)
Subject: Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 14 Aug 1998 01:00:45 EDT



On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:26:06 -0400 "Aimee Couture"
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
>hey.. i just mentioned on irc about crystal method selling out.. but
>like
>that's not the important part.. then james says that he thinks orbital
>sold
>out.. i TOTALLY do not think so.. what do you guys think?
>aimee


nah, i don't think they sold out. if they were on some big name record
company like virgin or columbia AND they were shown on non-amp mtv shows
while also being played on the radio all the time, THEN i think they'd
have sold out.  but as of now, no, cause i don't know that many other
bands on internal or ffrr, and the only time ive ever heard them on the
radio was when Q101 (the chicago-land alternative station) played lush
3-2 in the background while they were talking.  and theyre not on mtv
that much...wow, did i ramble on for that long?  hope my opinion does
something...

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From: Digger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 14 Aug 1998 00:27:23 -0500


Wow this guy lives close to me!  YEAH!  :-)

Any way..


>nah, i don't think they sold out.

Definately not..

>the only time ive ever heard them on the radio was when Q101 (the
>chicago-land alternative station) played lush 3-2 in the background while
>they were talking.

Yeah..that was cool.  I almost totally craped my pants when I heard that.
But then again I did send E-mail to them complaining they didn't play any
orbital in their "techno" line up in Zoltar's show.

>and theyre not on mtv that much...

But Mtv did use Lush to promote the Mtv video awards last year.  I think
that is when Q101 started using Lush as the background music....right after
the music awards thing..
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From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgRm91cm5pZXI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) New Question
Date: 13 Aug 1998 20:19:21 -0400


>Ok, now that I have been on the list for about 9 months, I ws just
wondering.
>Who is in charge of this list? I am very aware of who runs the Moby list,
but
>I never knew if someone ran this one because it seems to control it self
>better than Mobility.

One thing I adore about this list is that it has pretty much the same
feeling that the whole usenet and IRC had 4-5 years ago when I started
coming on the net... I don't want to sound elitist or anything by saying
that it was better at that time, but it's true that there are few places now
on the net not taken over by 12yearold immature kids or people with that
level of mental development...

In that time, the vast majority of net users were mature or at least acted
mature and you got to see wonderful exchanges happen, and nice synergies
amongst groups of people (on usenet groups or irc channels or muds... web
chat (and web for that matter) weren't there yet or anything serious then).

the point is, back then you didnt need to have a big bad admin on a
discussion group or mailing list, you didnt have to worry about commercial
spam, you didnt have to have 5 badass bots on your irc channel! We were
*proud* on the first friday night when we reached 10 users on channel
#quebec, now they're at 200 or 300 all the time. Still there aren't much
more than 10 interesting users on at any particular time, and they are
frightened to speak coz they know they'll get kicked if they say anything
out of the ordinary lame pointless chitchat that's accepted.

and blahblahblahblah!


Derf

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From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgRm91cm5pZXI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Plaid: Not for threes
Date: 13 Aug 1998 20:47:00 -0400


Hi there...

It's been what, 1 month since I bought this album?

This is amazing stuff. I found most of it good right from the start, even
though it is so varied in style from beginning to end, and I must admit t=
hat
the Bj=F6rk track was what kept me coming back at first since it is so go=
od,
but man has this grown on me!! Usually calm in mood even on the tracks wi=
th
strong beats (like the wonderful Ol, track 11). Some tracks give the feel=
ing
that there's a whole story hidden behind, like the funny at first, gloomy=
 in
the middle track 7, or the most formidable track 16, Milk, with a relaxin=
g
melody with, in behind, aphex rdj album-like beats that Autechre have bec=
ome
fond of lately..... What a song.

When I bought this cd, I was pleased, but I felt that it was so strange, =
so
different.... So I posted a question on the list, not saying that I had h=
ad
it already for a week but asking people who have it about what they
think.... I was curious on what effects this could have had on those who
would have had more time to listen to it and like it. Well, now I know
firsthand, and I reiterate my amazement.... Plaid is extremely original,
avant-garde music, and I hope that the brilliant guys who make this music
will continue.

The albums released lately on warp have often been revelations for me (yo=
u
may remember me raving over Boards of Canada two months ago), I am
definitely going to check out their future releases coz they're releasing
great stuff this year!

Anyone who wanna discuss Plaid with me, feel free to email.

And to anyone who may care, I heard that Massive Attack are coming to
Montreal (I figure Toronto also) soon, dont know where, when or how much =
its
gonna cost, I still have to investigate on that one but well if you're
interested, now you know too... :-)

okay thats about it

Derf

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From: Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Concert Info??
Date: 13 Aug 1998 23:45:55 -0400




Kel wrote:

> PS: On an entirely unrelated note, how the hell do you pronounce Autechre?
> I asked The Wall if they had Amber or maybe LP5, but I didn't know how to
> say their name. I ended up saying "Ow-tek-ree" or something equally stupid :)

Let the games begin!  I'll be the first to say that I think the genreally
accepted promounciation is "ah-tekker" or "oh-tekker."  I still read it as
"oh-tra-shay" because that's the very first way I misread it, and I just can't
lose it.  Anyway, it still wont help you in most record stores.  Ask for anal
cunt, you'll have more luck.  Actually, you might.  Quite a humerous group
actually, their latest CD is called "40 more reasons to hate us" and is 40 30
second to minute long tracks about what sucks and who is gay.  But I digress.
Anyway, the problem I run into in trying to get LP5 is that after they realize
that they have no idea who the hell these guys are, they always ask "what kind of
music is it?."  To which I usually reply "it's good music."  "But what kind."
"Hard to classify, but I'd say kind of dark ambient."  (I avoid the word techno
here for fear of being led to look through the section with Aqua, Scooter and the
Prodigy.  Good stuff, but just not at the moment).  So after they consult their
friends and realize that they have never heard of Sean and Rob, they tell me
they're sorry but can't help me because I'm trapped in a small assed shit town
with nobody between the ages of 19 and 25.  I make some comment referring to the
fact that I earlier mentioned that it was good music, so I didn't really have
much hope of finding it in a store like this, and leave (asking the fashionably
unfashionable chick at the counter if she ever baked cookies called "mr. pebbles"
on the way out).

Holy crap this has been one crappy summer.  That's why I don't post much now, cus
everrything turns into a rant somehow.

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From: Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) New Question
Date: 13 Aug 1998 23:37:05 -0600


On Thu, Aug 13, 1998 at 01:34:29AM -0500, Digger wrote:

> Yes...technically Lazlo runs this list.  We never hear from him/her, nor is
> he/she responsive to personal mails regaurding questions about the list.  I
> have no idea how Lazlo gained control......but I believe the ever popular
> Loopz (Hi Steve!  :-)) was the original owner.

I think that if Steve had ever had control of this list you could rest assured
that he wouldn't have given it up, even to my own bad self. :-)

I took over the list when the original owner (whose name I don't know)
vanished.  I was a member at the time and was already running a bunch of other
lists at xmission (klf, orb, exotica, yello, ztt, et al.), so Pete at xmission
handed this one over as well.

I don't poke my nose in much because it's not necessary; as others have
pointed out, this list polices itself pretty well.

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From: Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 14 Aug 1998 01:55:09 -0400 (EDT)



> >hey.. i just mentioned on irc about crystal method selling out.. but
> >like
> >that's not the important part.. then james says that he thinks orbital
> >sold
> >out.. i TOTALLY do not think so.. what do you guys think?
> >aimee
>
>
> company like virgin or columbia AND they were shown on non-amp mtv shows
> while also being played on the radio all the time, THEN i think they'd
> have sold out.  but as of now, no, cause i don't know that many other
> bands on internal or ffrr, and the only time ive ever heard them on the
> radio was when Q101 (the chicago-land alternative station) played lush

Totally dumb question here.

Where is Orbital playing?  You mean sold out.. uhm.. where? =)

(sorry I musta missed it)

Doug



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From: Sean Granger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 14 Aug 1998 01:04:37 -0500


um...so when did you guys come and live by me?? i was here first :P

Digger:
>
>Wow this guy lives close to me!  YEAH!  :-)
>
>Any way..
>
>
>>nah, i don't think they sold out.
>
>Definately not..
>
>>the only time ive ever heard them on the radio was when Q101 (the
>>chicago-land alternative station) played lush 3-2 in the background while
>>they were talking.
>
>Yeah..that was cool.  I almost totally craped my pants when I heard that.
>But then again I did send E-mail to them complaining they didn't play any
>orbital in their "techno" line up in Zoltar's show.
>
>>and theyre not on mtv that much...
>
>But Mtv did use Lush to promote the Mtv video awards last year.  I think
>that is when Q101 started using Lush as the background music....right >after
>the music awards thing..


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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) LFO ?
Date: 14 Aug 1998 08:48:30 +0100


>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:31:23 PDT
>From: "7 7 7" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (orbital) LFO ?

>is LFO any good? any place to start exploring?

>Trym

I like them..but only 2 albums to choose from. Start at "Frequencies" LP
...amazing for its time and IMHO still awesome. "Simon From Sydney" is a
pure classic along with the common "LFO" (even my mom has heard it!) :P
Another mad track is "Squelchy" or is it "Squeaky"...shit cant
remember...but it sits on a limited clear vinyl 12 inch "What is
House?". It may be elsewhere actually.

Anyway...Frequencies...go buy it Trym...go on...what u waiting for!
;))))))


Thanx

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Schematix/Schizoid Man
Date: 14 Aug 1998 08:54:17 +0100


>Loopz, what's Schematix up to?  Any more releases coming soon?  I saw the>
>mention of the Schizoid Man release..   anything else?
>
>Doug

Phil Holmburg (Schematix) is working with his mate on their Schizoid Man
project at the moment (as it appears to more successful). Personally i
prefer his Schematix stuff...his Schizoid Man is still good but bends
towards the hip-hoppy theme.
They got singleoftheweek on Radio1 Evening Session for the Karate Juice
limited 12 inch and now they are busy recording new stuff. I have a full
discography of Schizoid Man stuff to put on the Loopz site...when i
finally change the Schematix link to Schematix/Schizoid Man.
Hopefully it will be up in the next month (no kidding...) :)


Thanx

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) RE: New Question
Date: 14 Aug 1998 08:56:59 +0100


>From: <[e-mail]>
>Ok, now that I have been on the list for about 9 months, I ws just wondering.
>Who is in charge of this list?

Lazlo Nibble...

> can someone tell me what raddiccio (sp?) is
>and if it is good. And, is there anyone who wants to sell / trade me their
>Halcyon? Later.

Raddicio is an EP and was originally released in the UK. It contained 2
12 inches...with The Naked and the Dead, The Naked and the Dub, Sunday
and Halcyon.
So this WAS the original release of Halcyon.

www.hyperreal.org/loopz <-------- DISCOG section then RADDICIO for full
info.


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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Original Owner of the list
Date: 14 Aug 1998 09:00:26 +0100


>Yes...technically Lazlo runs this list.  We never hear from him/her, nor is
>he/she responsive to personal mails regaurding questions about the list.  I
>have no idea how Lazlo gained control......but I believe the ever popular
>Loopz (Hi Steve!  :-)) was the original owner.

mmmm...ive never owned it im afraid :) just spent most of my years
sending mail to it LOL :)

I think Pete Ashdown had summit to do with it before... lazlo...is that
right ?


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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 14 Aug 1998 02:21:00 -0700




>>hey.. i just mentioned on irc about crystal method selling out.. but
>>like
>>that's not the important part.. then james says that he thinks orbital
>>sold
>>out.. i TOTALLY do not think so.. what do you guys think?
>>aimee


How can you say that the Crystal Method sold out.  Just because their music
is popular, doesn't mean that they sold out.  They DID NOT change anything
about themselves to be more trendy, that's just the way that they have
always been.  This doesn't mean that they are just making the music this way
to make more money.  I am not suggesting this, as I love CM, but it is
better then saying that they sold out.
cya
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From: "Wouter Hermans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 14 Aug 1998 15:13:28 +0200


Well... it hadn't many airplay around here, but i think it just sounds
not-orbital... "the saint" maybe?

and maybe in their early days?  oh well i wasn't around at that time :)

but then again... who says cm is selling out?  in fact, i only heard one
track from them, and that's because i got a sony sampler cd...

if they sell out, certainly not in europe...

doesn't matter... maybe this james was just pissed as a cm fan...

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>hey.. i just mentioned on irc about crystal method selling out.. but like
>that's not the important part.. then james says that he thinks orbital sold
>out.. i TOTALLY do not think so.. what do you guys think?
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From: Doris Hernandez <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) AUH-te-cur
Date: 14 Aug 1998 09:55:18 -0500


hey, didn't we have this discussion last year? the winner was
"auh-te-cur"...right?

>>> <[e-mail]> 08/14/98 12:12am >>>

If I am not mistaken - it is aw-tech-ra.


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From: "Wouter Hermans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) AUH-te-cur
Date: 14 Aug 1998 17:01:10 +0200


>hey, didn't we have this discussion last year? the winner was
>"auh-te-cur"...right?


exactly what i was thinking...

oh my god...i've been on this list for so long that i see threads
recurring!?!  argh! :)

hehe

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From: Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 14 Aug 1998 08:21:00 -0400


Aimee Couture wrote:

> hey.. i just mentioned on irc about crystal method selling out.. but like
> that's not the important part.. then james says that he thinks orbital sold
> out.. i TOTALLY do not think so.. what do you guys think?

I don't think groups ever really sell out, it's just a good way to get out of
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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Plaid: Not for threes
Date: 14 Aug 1998 11:47:04 -0400


>And to anyone who may care, I heard that Massive Attack are >coming to
Montreal (I figure Toronto also) soon, dont know where, >when or how much
its gonna cost, I still have to investigate on that >one but well if you're
interested, now you know too... :-)

Toronto, 16 September, The Warehouse (132 Queens Quay East (corner of Queens
Quay and Jarvis)) tickets $21.50, onsale today at ticketmaster, rotate this
and sonic temple. Doors open at 8pm, dj lewis parker opens. Oh and it's all
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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital LP and Single Release Dates
Date: 14 Aug 1998 16:49:45 +0100


All,

In the next few weeks a release date will be issued for the next Orbital
Single and Album. Both will be released within a couple of weeks of one
another. Bad news is that both are gonna be released next year (99
percent sure on this). Remember - Paul and Phil would like to release it
now...but unfortunatly they dont get the final say on the matter.

There will be a news update over the weekend - quite a bit of info on
the new album and a few other things that i might be allowed to mention
(who can tell).


Thanx

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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) AUH-te-cur
Date: 14 Aug 1998 11:54:14 -0400


>oh my god...i've been on this list for so long that i see threads
>recurring!?!  argh! :)


welcome to the club.. wow i just realized i've been on the list over a year.
ack.
now... what does that voice at the end of the box say again? ;)
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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Concert Info??
Date: 14 Aug 1998 14:54:44 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> If I am not mistaken - it is aw-tech-ra. I don't own any of their albums, so I
> am not any expert. And this is off topic, but I was wondering if there is
> anyone on the list who has been to the 9:30 club in DC? Crystal Method is
> playign there and my birthday and I was wondering if it is any good and if the
> CM show is any good? Thanks. Later.

    The 9:30 Club is one of the best clubs I've been to. It certainly had the best
sound of any club I've been to (Although the fact that it was The Orb playing
probably didn't hurt). I really enjoyed Crystal Method when I saw them as well,
although it was _very_ loud. When I was at 9:30 they kept a very nice reign on the
sound system, and it never got too painfully loud (and we were right up by the
speakers). I would say check them both out together, definitely.. :)

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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 14 Aug 1998 15:05:30 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> How can you say that the Crystal Method sold out.  Just because their music
> is popular, doesn't mean that they sold out.  They DID NOT change anything
> about themselves to be more trendy, that's just the way that they have
> always been.  This doesn't mean that they are just making the music this way
> to make more money.  I am not suggesting this, as I love CM, but it is
> better then saying that they sold out.

    Turn on the TV. They licensed out Keep Hope Alive to Sony for a playstation
game (and it blasts through the commercial). Then there's the Mazda commercial
with 'High Roller' (i think) in it. Then The Busy Child Gap commercial (not to
mention it playing in the background on the MTV 'ultrasound' spots. They struck
it rich in the tv advertising business. I think it's pretty close to 'selling
out'. Not that I care personally. I still like most of the album, but I get a
bad headache every time I hear busy child now.

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From: Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Green Album Question
Date: 14 Aug 1998 15:33:16 -0400 (EDT)




What version of the green album is still available in the UK?  Is it the
one with the track listing of:

The Moebius
Speed Freak
Oolaa
Desert Storm
Farenheit 303
Steel Cube Idolatry
High Rise
Chime (Live)
Midnight (Live)
Belfast
I Think Its Disgusting

?

Is that one still available in the UK?

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From: Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Green Album Amendment
Date: 14 Aug 1998 15:35:48 -0400 (EDT)




According to IMVS, the Green Album they have, has the following:

1. Moebius
2. Speed freak
3. Oolaa
4. Desert storm
5. Fahrenheit 303
6. Steel cube idolatory
7. High rise
8. Chime
9. Midnight
10. Belfast
11. Untitled
12. Macro head

Can someone confirm for me which one is still available?  And if it is the
one above, are those live versions of Chime and Midnight?

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From: "Robert Young" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re 9:30 club
Date: 14 Aug 1998 16:29:39 -0500


ive also been to the 9:30 club a couple of times...definately THE BEST venue
ive been to.  i saw the orb (w/ sun electric) last year and recently saw
curve (w/ freaky chakra)...i agre with morey in that the sound system there
is very clean and they dont have have the volume unbearably loud...but it is
definately loud enough.

i live in dallas, tx and there are a couple of decent venues here, but the
9:30 club is in a league of its own.

 fyi -- numbers in houston, tx is probably second on my favs list.

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not any expert. And this is off topic, but I was wondering if there is
> > anyone on the list who has been to the 9:30 club in DC? Crystal Method
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Subject: Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 14 Aug 1998 18:44:56 EDT


In a message dated 8/14/98 3:49:45 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<Aimee Couture wrote:

> hey.. i just mentioned on irc about crystal method selling out.. but like
> that's not the important part.. then james says that he thinks orbital sold
> out.. i TOTALLY do not think so.. what do you guys think?

I don't think groups ever really sell out, it's just a good way to get out of
liking them when everone else starts to.
>>

I totally agree that bands don't sell out. For example, and I hate to use this
- Prodigy. Even Chemical Brothers. Prodigy in america was nothing. I think
their highest billboard single ws 186? But Fat of the Land was the #1 album
for however long and everone including me said they sold out. The only thing
they sold out was their concerts. Sure, a bunch of losers starting buying
prodigy, but I'll be totally honest. Firestarter brought me into this music.
The band doesn't sell out. Everyone wants to make money, and if you have
something that can bring you money, than make it. If, however, you had made a
point of being against something and then done only to make money, that is
selling out. Prodigy killed me because they did go mainstream and left their
roots - and proved it by changing their name t Prodigy instead of the Prodigy.
And, besides for that fact that the newest Prodigy and Chemical Brothers CDs
sucked compared to the old ones, the reason that people say they sold out is
to make themselves feel superior to the people who are just first buying Fat
of the LAnd or Exit Planet Dust. Anyway, Liam is very good at what he does.
The Chemical Brothers are just stalking the Dust Brothers - so far that they
changed their name to the Brothers Dust which is much cooler. Enough. Later.
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From: [e-mail] (Rich J Bide)
Subject: Re: (orbital) CD Buying
Date: 14 Aug 1998 18:50:38 -0400



On Fri, 07 Aug 1998 17:26:39 -0700 [e-mail] (Shawn
Ledbetter) writes:
>
>>Where exactly can I find the Wasted Remix of Belfast. I actually have
>>it on a >BURNT CD, but it is the only burnt CD I own and it actually
has
>>meaning behind it. Anyway, I only found Belfast Wasted on MP3 and was
>>wondering where it can really be found. Thanks alot. Later.
>>AJ
>
>There also is an EP from Volume with two tracks, one of which is
>Belfast/Wasted.  The other is a alt-rock band, Therapy?.

I have the EP, still in the shrink wrap, for sale if you're interested.
I didn't realize when I ordered it that I already had the tracks from the
Wasted and Sharks Patrol These Waters compilations. :-(

E-mail me privately if interested.

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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 15 Aug 1998 03:01:38 -0700



>
>    Turn on the TV. They licensed out Keep Hope Alive to Sony for a
playstation
>game (and it blasts through the commercial). Then there's the Mazda
commercial
>with 'High Roller' (i think) in it. Then The Busy Child Gap commercial (not
to
>mention it playing in the background on the MTV 'ultrasound' spots. They
struck
>it rich in the tv advertising business. I think it's pretty close to
'selling
>out'. Not that I care personally. I still like most of the album, but I get
a
>bad headache every time I hear busy child now.


So I guess then that you would say that the rolling Stones sold out to for
letting Microsoft use Start Me Up for their commercials.  And you may recall
that Orbital licensed PETROL to Sony to make Wipeout XL.  So did they sell
out too?  I do agree with you that they are definitly in the music scene
only to make a buck and nothing else, but you can't call that selling out.
They have always been this way, it's just now, they are making more money
since there are more songs to profit from.  That was my point which I think
that you missed.

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From: "Wouter Hermans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 15 Aug 1998 13:13:02 +0200


>The Chemical Brothers are just stalking the Dust Brothers - so far that
they
>changed their name to the Brothers Dust which is much cooler.

uh wow lemme re-read that again... yes. ok:

When Tom Rowlands and Ed Simmons started out they were big fans of the dust
brothers.  so when they did bring out songs and do gigs, they needed a name.
In their adoration they just chose "dust brothers"...  they got big, and the
original american dust brothers heard about them and asked if they would
change their name...  so they did and got Chemical Brothers...
This was before they released their first album...

anyway: if you consider that the dust brothers were responsible for hanson
breaking through, and tom and ed releasing stuff like "the private
psychedelic reel"... i just think their albums are what liam intented to do
with fat of the land... no i think not, chembros is better than prodigy
heh...

anyone who says the dust brothers are cool deserves to be killed... :)

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Subject: Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 15 Aug 1998 17:21:38 +0200


><<anyway: if you consider that the dust brothers were responsible for
hanson
>breaking through, and tom and ed releasing stuff like "the private
>psychedelic reel"... i just think their albums are what liam intented to do
>with fat of the land... no i think not, chembros is better than prodigy
>heh...


>As far as the  first paragraph there goes, I don't know what that all
means.
>And, as far as the brothers dust go, I have never heard them except if they
>are on the Spawn soundtrack and then I can't reember the song. I don't know
if
>they are cool or not, but I know they are talented.

well ok i admit, my little brother bought that first album by the hanson
brothers... "mmmbop" mentioned that "the dust brothers" were the
producers...

heh ok i like the dust brothers remix of "elektrobank" ok? :)

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Subject: Re: (orbital) CD Buying
Date: 15 Aug 1998 11:58:13 -0400



On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Doug Radcliffe <[e-mail]>
writes:
>
>Hey Rich,
>The Wasted EP is the same version of the song that is on the Volume
>Wasted compilation?

I assume so.  The EP is still shrink-wrapped, but the notes say "Taken
from Wasted - the best of Volume part 1".

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Subject: Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 15 Aug 1998 13:57:35 EDT


In a message dated 98-08-14 00:46:50 EDT, you write:

<<  i just mentioned on irc about crystal method selling out>! Ive heard that
before. <<but like that's not the important part>!  ?  !
<< then james says that he thinks orbital soldout>! how could they have sold
out?
<< i TOTALLY >!  uh.
<< do not think so.. what do you guys think? >! I think he doesnt know what
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Subject:     Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 15 Aug 1998 14:11:03 EDT


<< if they were on some big name record
 company like virgin or columbia AND they were shown on non-amp mtv shows
 while also being played on the radio all the time, THEN i think they'd
 have sold out. >>

how come that makes them sell outs? I dont think that just because they have
airplay or are on CRAPtv that means they sold out. I mean they have no real
control over who plays their music or not. I think that selling out means
thatthey did a complete one-eighty, they changed their oppinions just to get
popularity, or changed thir music to gain popularity, or something like that.
peolpe claim a band sold out when they become popular (true it has been a
starting point for some) but a band doesnt sell out until they make start
doing adds for the gap, or slap there songs on car comercials, or sell the
rights to computer commercials, and shit like that (just to make money).

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Subject: Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 15 Aug 1998 17:44:20 EDT


How about this tour. Moby - Aphex - Orbital. Too bad I wasn't listening to
this music when I was 13. I would have been pretty psyched to see that. And I
got a question, does anyone know what the lineup for the Woodstock 2 show was?
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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) woodstock 2
Date: 15 Aug 1998 16:25:11 PDT


Did Orbital play at Woodstock 2?  I thought they did but I cannot find
any recordings of their being there in stores at all.
Later.
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From: [e-mail] (Brandon Invergo)
Subject: Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 15 Aug 1998 21:44:10 EDT


i think we've all been wrong about this whole selling out thing
(including me).  correct me if im wrong, but doesn't selling out mean
that the band in question has moved to a larger label in order to make
more money? i dont think it has anything to do with popularity.  i mean,
look at all the punk bands (shudder...ack): most of them are still on
these small-ass labels, yet are increadibly popular (at least around
where i live). unless CM has movedfrom a smaller label to a larger one, i
don't think they've sold out...nope

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Subject: Re: (orbital) LFO ? (update + blue room)
Date: 16 Aug 1998 09:59:22 PDT


>I like them..but only 2 albums to choose from. Start at "Frequencies"
LP
>...amazing for its time and IMHO still awesome. "Simon From Sydney" is
a
>pure classic along with the common "LFO" (even my mom has heard it!) :P
>Another mad track is "Squelchy" or is it "Squeaky"...shit cant
>remember...but it sits on a limited clear vinyl 12 inch "What is
>House?". It may be elsewhere actually.
>Anyway...Frequencies...go buy it Trym...go on...what u waiting for!
>;))))))

Well, I went out and picked up an LFO album, but it turned out to be
Advance which made its way into my cd-rack. Sounds surprisingly much
like some tracks off the new Autechre (just a note on that, I'd
pronounce it [AU-TEC-RE] since I consider myself partially able of
speaking French and managing that difficult end to pronouncing the name.
;) ). Other stuff is really ambient on Advance, second track Shut Down
bears the most resemblance to AE's new album sound.

Other tracks, such as Tied Up really makes me feel I'm listening to
AFX's Analogue Bubblebath 3 and 4.

For some reason the seventh track "Ultra Schall" really makes me think
of FSOL, more precisely the Lifeforms and Cascade - era stuff. Dunno
why, but it's cool though. Maybe it sounds a bit like the Orb' Toxygene
album's more ambient tracks too. At least Shove Piggy Shove does show
resemblance to some of the more ambient tracks on that one.

Other things, well, things ain't soundin' like Orbital, but it's a
mighty good choice if you want some good sound while waiting for the new
album and single.. Kein trink wasser on the single in live version, and
I'd never complain again. :)

From your review of Frequencies, Steve, I got the impression that LFO
were from way back then, early 90s stuff, but this Advance album seems
to be from 1996. Have they had a slow period in between Frequencies and
Advance and not released anything, or was it my fault thinking they (and
Frequencies) is from the beginning of the 90s?

Lastly, I bought Blue Room by Orb some months ago and didn't remember I
had it until some weeks ago and this Saturday I finally got to listen to
it (time, time, what on earth is that?), and what would you know.. the
darn second side was scratched or defect in some way because it wouldn't
play, it just skipped across 10 minutes in 5 seconds and it didn't sound
good.. So, what did I miss? the best of that vinyl single or is that
contained on the first side, which surprisingly plays well.. ??

well well
'nuff update
thanx for listenin'

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Subject: (orbital) Something you folks might be interested in.-----.MatthewFord.
Date: 14 Aug 1998 19:32:55 -0700


14-15
* Complete list of 1998 ResFest Films/Programming
* Summer RES Magazine hitting newstands
* ResFest 1998 Fall Tour Dates
* Subscribe/Unsubscribe

>>ResFest Los Angeles - Starts Tonight Aug. 14-15

We invite you to join us at the launch of our US tour. Doors open at 5PM
on Friday. There will be free hands-on digital filmmaking demos from
Intergraph, Discreet Logic, Intelligent Media, EZTV, FilmLogic and more.
Tickets will be available at the door for the screenings and panel,
though we advise you to purchase tickets in advance to avoid=20
disappointment of a sold-out show. (see outlets below)


ResFest LA SCHEDULE:

Friday  August 14th
7PM - ResFest Shorts (75 min.) =20
New digital short films from around the world including new work
from Dutch artist Max Kisman, animator Jim Ludtke, artist Erik Adigard
plus the very best from this year's SIGGRAPH and Austria's ARS
Electronica shows.

7:30PM - The Last Broadcast (85 mins.)=20
Acclaimed digital feature that Wired called "a gritty 'Thin Blue Line'=20
meets 'Blow Up'..." FILMMAKERS PRESENT

9PM - ResFest Shorts (75 min.)=20

9:30PM - Cinema Electronica (75 min.) =20
Rarely seen electronica videos with new work from Underworld,
Howie B, Squarepusher, Aphex Twin, and H-Gun Labs.

10PM OPENING NIGHT RESFEST PARTY=20
Los Angeles' much respected live electronic club Public Space, in
association with Green Galactic will co-host the official ResFest
party with Smirnoff Vodka. This party is open to ResFest ticket
holders only.

Saturday August 15th
2:30PM - =93The Future of Filmmaking=94 Panel Discussion (90 min.)=20
Panelists include director Iara Lee (Modulations), Bennett Miller
(The Cruise), digital pioneer Scott Billups, Bob Bejan (Microsoft).
The panel will explore the pros and cons of digital filmmaking
including the process of transferring video to film for
distribution. Both Iara and Bennett's films were shot on video,
transferred to 35mm film and have been picked up by Strand and
Artisan Entertainment respectively.

5PM - ResFest Shorts (75 min.)=20

5:30PM - The Last Broadcast (85 mins.)=20

7PM - Longform Shorts (90 min.)=20
Four excellent films including Michael Almereyda=92s new Pixelvision shor=
t
"The Rocking House Winner" and the World Premiere of Tommy Palotta and
Bob Sabiston=92s "Road Head."

7:30PM - Cinema Electronica (75 min.) =20

9PM - ResFest Shorts (75 min.)=20

9:30 - =93Modulations=94 (74 min)=20
>From Sundance 98, Iara Lee explores the history of electronic music
featuring interviews with the pioneers of electronica, jungle, techno
and house.


TICKETS
Online at:
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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) AUH-te-cur
Date: 15 Aug 1998 02:55:19 -0700


>hey, didn't we have this discussion last year? the winner was
>"auh-te-cur"...right?
>
>>>> <[e-mail]> 08/14/98 12:12am >>>
>
>If I am not mistaken - it is aw-tech-ra.
>

None of them won.  We all just decided to keep pronouncing it the way that
we always had.  It's times like this that I wish I had asked them how to
pronounce it when I met them.  I was thinking about it, but I was so caught
up in it all that I forgot.  Oh well, maybe someone else will ask.

cya
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From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgRm91cm5pZXI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) To Dr. Killpatient
Date: 16 Aug 1998 01:25:50 -0400


Email to your usual adress of [e-mail] has kept bouncing back since the
beginning of this week.... I can read what you send to me though.

So... check it out and write back ok?

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Subject: Re: (orbital) Concert Info??
Date: 16 Aug 1998 01:38:38 -0400



Autechre pronounced themselves Awe-tekker at the end of their show two weeks
ago in montreal.

Derf

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) LFO ? (update + blue room)
Date: 16 Aug 1998 23:53:29 +0100


>>Well, I went out and picked up an LFO album, but it turned out to be
>>Advance which made its way into my cd-rack. Sounds surprisingly much
>>like some tracks off the new Autechre (just a note on that, I'd
>>pronounce it [AU-TEC-RE] since I consider myself partially able of
>>speaking French and managing that difficult end to pronouncing the name.

I would say...and ive heard John Peel pronounce it the same.....
AW-TEK-ERR

Im suprised at the comparison of the new Autechre album and this...i
would say Autechres album is more ruff and loose but the low freq synth
is there.

>> Maybe it sounds a bit like the Orb' Toxygene
>>album's more ambient tracks too. At least Shove Piggy Shove does show
>>resemblance to some of the more ambient tracks on that one.

Please....Toxygene...thats insulting. Shove Piggy Shove is one of my
favourite LFO tracks...mad :)

>>From your review of Frequencies, Steve, I got the impression that LFO
>>were from way back then, early 90s stuff, but this Advance album seems
>>to be from 1996. Have they had a slow period in between Frequencies and
>>Advance and not released anything, or was it my fault thinking they (and
>>Frequencies) is from the beginning of the 90s?

Correct.....1991.

As much as i like Advance...it doesnt compare to Frequencies...thats
unique sounding.

>Thanx
>
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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Halycon on vinyl anyone??
Date: 16 Aug 1998 19:06:13 PDT


From the whitezone-l list, there's a guy trying to sell Halycon on
vinyl.  Just thought you might be interested.

>From: Bryan Bickel <[e-mail]>
>    The following items are for Trade/Sale.
>VINYL
>
>Orbital " Halcyon " FFRR

Later.
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Subject: Re: (orbital) Halycon on vinyl anyone??
Date: 17 Aug 1998 00:06:17 EDT



In a message dated 8/17/98 2:13:28 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<<>From: Bryan Bickel <[e-mail]>
>    The following items are for Trade/Sale.
>VINYL
>
>Orbital " Halcyon " FFRR>>
Too bad I don't have a record player or I would jump on top of that. If I did
have a record player I would surely go broke, so it is better to waste my
money on CDs. AAnd about that WASTED CD from Volume: I picked it up and so far
have listened to the first CD. IT is not bad, but it is not that good either.
But at least I have a legit copy of Belfast/Wasted now which is cool. Later.
AJ


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From: "7 7 7" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) LFO ?
Date: 17 Aug 1998 13:53:24 PDT


>I would say...and ive heard John Peel pronounce it the same.....
>AW-TEK-ERR

Hmm... whaddya know, that sounds like a good way to pronounce it too. ;)

>Im suprised at the comparison of the new Autechre album and this...i
>would say Autechres album is more ruff and loose but the low freq synth
>is there.

Yeah, I wouldn't call it the same, but there's definetely a lot of
similar elements going around on those two albums. I listen to Shut Down
and Tied Up and feel a bit like I just put on a mixture of AE's new one
and AFX's 3rd and 4th Analogue Bubblebath. ;) might be just me tho',
things sound _differently_ in my head.

>>> Maybe it sounds a bit like the Orb' Toxygene
>>>album's more ambient tracks too. At least Shove Piggy Shove does show
>>>resemblance to some of the more ambient tracks on that one.

>Please....Toxygene...thats insulting. Shove Piggy Shove is one of my
>favourite LFO tracks...mad :)

Well, they do. If not Shove Piggy Shove, then at least Loch Ness sounds
like it. I have Toxygene and hearing those two songs makes me think of
it.. once again, it could be me. ;)

>Correct.....1991.

and in between there has been little or low activity?

>As much as i like Advance...it doesnt compare to Frequencies...thats
>unique sounding.

Think I'll have to go to the music stores next weekend and listen to it
then.

Cheers y'all

Trym

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From: Dave O'Connor <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Acid Jazz: DJ Shadow
Date: 17 Aug 1998 21:50:44 -0400


I apologise for the fact that every message I post to this list is off
topic...but oh well.

I'm looking for more stuff like what DJ Shadow produces: i.e. Incredible
acid jazz (slight hip hop influence), heavy beats, some samples (or all
samples in Shadow's case), NO rapping...etc.  I've checked out DJ Krush but
I think he may be a little more rap-oriented than I want.  I hear his album
"Krush" is supposed to be acid jazz but I'm not sure.  Anyone have any recs?

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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Acid Jazz: DJ Shadow
Date: 17 Aug 1998 19:40:21 -0700


I dont consider DJ Shadow to be Acid Jazz.  As a matter of fact, I dont
now anyone who does.  But Im not here to critise that.  You will find
that the rest of Dj Krush's work is not as rap oriented as the Milight
album.  Theres alot of different artists out there to find.  If you want
to know more, let me know.

.MatthewFord.

Dave O'Connor wrote:
>
> I apologise for the fact that every message I post to this list is off
> topic...but oh well.
>
> I'm looking for more stuff like what DJ Shadow produces: i.e. Incredible
> acid jazz (slight hip hop influence), heavy beats, some samples (or all
> samples in Shadow's case), NO rapping...etc.  I've checked out DJ Krush but
> I think he may be a little more rap-oriented than I want.  I hear his album
> "Krush" is supposed to be acid jazz but I'm not sure.  Anyone have any recs?
>
> TIA


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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) cdnow discount
Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:38:36 PDT


I am terribly sorry but that cdnow discount will not work, it abruptly
ended working on the 11th of August, 1998.
Pricks!!!
Sorry again.
Peace, love, and happiness.

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From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Joona_P=F6yh=F6nen?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Cascade ep
Date: 20 Hel 1998 14:38:40 PST


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From: -Niall C Christie- <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Original Chime, perhaps
Date: 18 Aug 1998 12:15:33 +0100 (BST)


If anybody's interested, I was randomly browsing the magazines this month
and on the free CD on a magazine called "Future Music" was the original
(I'm fairly sure, certainly different from the album versions) edit of
Chime. The magazine was focussed more on the technologies of electronic
music making and they had a small feature on Orbital and the making of
Chime.

Also included on the CD was Chime broken up into its various components
so, in theory, you could reconstruct it or create a new version.

As I don't own the original Chime single I cannot be certain, but it did
sound like an older (and cheesier) version of it, more squelchy and
basic.

Just in case anybody was interested.

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From: "Benjamin Szabo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Cascade ep
Date: 18 Aug 1998 06:02:13 PDT


Yeah, go buy it, don't ask any more questions.

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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) le instrucciones
Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:40:36 PDT


Guess what I found...!!!
Sorry to write a lot of messages in like 5 minutes.
Bye for now.
MP

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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) whitezone-l
Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:33:04 PDT


To the person(s) wondering what is whitezone-l:
I dont know, but I think it is a gathering ground for traders (yep they
do mp3's...please don't kill me, I'll never say mp3 again in my life!).
And they get some pretty good stuff there.  Anyway, I dont have the
instructions to get on, but I do to get off.  Just try sending a message
to one of those addresses and have 'subscribe' instead of 'unsubscribe',
I guess.
Sorry I cant be of more help.  Someone on this list gave me instructions
to get on.

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Also, in the tradition of my passing on discounts to you all, here's
something for ya:
http://www.musicblvd.com/summerseries/
gets you $10 off cds at musicblvd.com, and
http://cdnow.com/from=bbx:y:yhu:jsws:home
gets you $10 off cds at cdnow.com.
There, go buy as many cds as you want.
Peace.

                               The Mehul

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From: *Princess Serena* <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) repeats
Date: 17 Aug 1998 21:09:17 -0700


ACK! I think Ive been on this list for about a year and a half now...
possibly two? =)
...as long as we don't start getting into the "how do I unsubscribe?"
stuff I don't mind hearing repeats =) I have meet so many interesting
and kind people on here, it is quite amazing, just hope I continue to!
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Subject: Re: (orbital) whitezone-l
Date: 18 Aug 1998 13:36:50 EDT


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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) LFO ? (update + blue room)
Date: 18 Aug 1998 19:54:00 +0100


At 23:53 16/08/98 +0100, Price, Steve A wrote:

>I would say...and ive heard John Peel pronounce it the same.....
>AW-TEK-ERR

That's how I always imagined it.

>Please....Toxygene...thats insulting. Shove Piggy Shove is one of my
>favourite LFO tracks...mad :)

And, I'm sure you'll be pleased to hear Steve, I've figured out (well
actually I heard it somewhere else) that Shove Piggy Shove is the same as
Bjork's 'I go Humble'. I bet you'd forgotten I promised to let you know if
I find out. Just my way of saing thanks for the live CD and Loopz 5.
Haven't had time to read much of Loopz yet (a week's email takes a
while...), but the CD's ace! Cheers, mate!

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 18 Aug 1998 19:58:56 +0100


orbital haven't sold out - but a lot of people have bought in. Mind you,
The Saint is a bit ropey. Does anyone like it?


At 13:53 17/08/98 PDT, 7 7 7 wrote:

(LFO)

>and in between there has been little or low activity?

Well they both worked quite a bit on other projects (especially Mark Bell).

>>As much as i like Advance...it doesnt compare to Frequencies...thats
>>unique sounding.

Frequencies meant more in it's day than Advance did, and still sounds
better. Shame they faded 'LFO' out early though. For more of that early
Warp style (and some dodgy housey/hip-hoppy stuff too) try the 'Pioneers of
the hypnotic groove' compilation. Here's me sounding like an old man...
"They don't make 'em like they used to". Maybe that should be my sig...


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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Acid Jazz: DJ Shadow
Date: 18 Aug 1998 20:01:31 +0100


At 21:50 17/08/98 -0400, Dave O'Connor wrote:
>
>I apologise for the fact that every message I post to this list is off
>topic...but oh well.
>
>I'm looking for more stuff like what DJ Shadow produces:

Well you could listen out for the new Unkle album, as that's Shadow and
James Lavelle. It's out next Monday here in the UK, dunno about anywhere
else. I'm not recommending it, mind, the last thing I want to hear is a
load of collaborations with people I don't like (especially that whining
git from Radiohead).

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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) whitezone-l
Date: 18 Aug 1998 15:25:01 PDT


I regret to tell you that the discount that I posted did not work.  I am
terribly sorry.
MP

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From: "Shaun Rader" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Original Chime, perhaps
Date: 18 Aug 1998 18:40:38 -0700


> If anybody's interested, I was randomly browsing the magazines this month
> and on the free CD on a magazine called "Future Music" was the original
> (I'm fairly sure, certainly different from the album versions) edit of
> Chime. The magazine was focussed more on the technologies of electronic
> music making and they had a small feature on Orbital and the making of
> Chime.

How long is this version of Chime?  Does anyone else have any information on
this cd/magazine?  Is it available here in the US?  Thanks.

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Subject: Re: (orbital) whitezone-l
Date: 18 Aug 1998 21:54:59 EDT



In a message dated 8/18/98 5:52:15 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<2 question. How much do I have to spend at CDNow to get 10 bucks off? Also,
can anyone tell me anything about the   soundtrack? Is it worth getting?
Thanks. Later.

AJ
>>

Sorry about that stupid email. IT looked fine on my side. The soundtrack I was
talking about is the Pi soundtrack and I had used the Pi symbol but I guess my
stupid macintosh powerbook and the internet had two different ideas like
usual. Any info on that would be awesome. Later.
AJ


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From: "Henry Cooke" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Acid Jazz: DJ Shadow
Date: 19 Aug 1998 00:45:51 +0100



-----Original Message-----


>
>At 21:50 17/08/98 -0400, Dave O'Connor wrote:
>>
>>I apologise for the fact that every message I post to this list is off
>>topic...but oh well.
>>
>>I'm looking for more stuff like what DJ Shadow produces:
>
>Well you could listen out for the new Unkle album, as that's Shadow and
>James Lavelle. It's out next Monday here in the UK, dunno about anywhere
>else. I'm not recommending it, mind, the last thing I want to hear is a
>load of collaborations with people I don't like (especially that whining
>git from Radiohead).
>
>Jon


I dunno, sounds quite good to me. Mind you, I liked 'Temper, temper', so
maybe there's no saving me :) A mate of mine thought DJ Shadow sounded quite
Propellerheads-y, but then, he's got all the musical sense of a sandal. What
would you say DJ Shadow's music is? I wouldn't say acid jazz, but I wouldn't
say hip-hop o (spit on the meaningless term) trip-hop, either.

Henry



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From: Brian <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Original Chime, perhaps
Date: 19 Aug 1998 08:40:45 -0400 (EDT)


>How long is this version of Chime?  Does anyone else have any information on
>this cd/magazine?  Is it available here in the US?  Thanks.
I saw a Future Music mag. in Books-A-Million last night, but it was the
August edition and didn't have any Orbital (had 4Hero and Meat Beat) so I
guess it's the September edition that has Orbital?  I think Waldenbooks
used to carry it, but I haven't seen it there lately.  I'd also try
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From: Peter Lundholm <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Original Chime, perhaps
Date: 19 Aug 1998 14:59:39 +0200


At 08.40 -0400 98-08-19, Brian wrote:
>>How long is this version of Chime?  Does anyone else have any information on
>>this cd/magazine?  Is it available here in the US?  Thanks.
>I saw a Future Music mag. in Books-A-Million last night, but it was the
>August edition and didn't have any Orbital (had 4Hero and Meat Beat) so I
>guess it's the September edition that has Orbital?  I think Waldenbooks
>used to carry it, but I haven't seen it there lately.  I'd also try
>Barnes&Noble and Borders.


It's a re-make(cover or whatever you may call it), not the boys playing.
pretty fun anyway. If you read the notes, you can see how the writer of the
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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 19 Aug 1998 13:29:31 -0400


> So I guess then that you would say that the rolling Stones sold out to for
> letting Microsoft use Start Me Up for their commercials.  And you may recall
> that Orbital licensed PETROL to Sony to make Wipeout XL.  So did they sell
> out too?  I do agree with you that they are definitly in the music scene
> only to make a buck and nothing else, but you can't call that selling out.
> They have always been this way, it's just now, they are making more money
> since there are more songs to profit from.  That was my point which I think
> that you missed.

    When I say they 'sold out', I don't necessarily mean it in a bad way. Their
music is very well suited to the ads/etc. for which it was used. The rolling
stones sold a song to MS, and orbital and a bunch of bands licensed stuff for
the game. I was just pointing it out that crystal method did that with 3 songs
from the same album at the same time. I think a lot of people would consider
that selling out. Since I like Crystal Method, I just try to ignore the
commercials as often as possible and think of it as 'getting paid'.

-Morey





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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Cascade ep
Date: 19 Aug 1998 13:48:59 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> Is FSOL┤s Cascade ep worth buying??????
> Any of you recommend it?

    Yes. Buy on sight.

-Morey





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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Acid Jazz: DJ Shadow
Date: 19 Aug 1998 22:21:56 +0100


"Jon Green" writes
>Well you could listen out for the new Unkle album, as that's Shadow and
>James Lavelle. It's out next Monday here in the UK, dunno about anywhere
>else. I'm not recommending it, mind, the last thing I want to hear is a
>load of collaborations with people I don't like (especially that whining
>git from Radiohead).

LOL. I quite like the stuff Badly drawn boy does... and I have always
thought that the Verve were destined for great things. But James Lavelle
could probably do a lot better if he ever took his head out of his own
arse, and I think this UNKLE album could turn out to be the sort of
album where you have to buy a coffee table to appreciate it fully.

Ha! and they call me a cynic :-)

>
>Jon


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From: EZwerk <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Off subject: Bauhaus
Date: 19 Aug 1998 20:19:41 +0000


Hey all,

Just wondering of anyone knoes of anyone who wants to get rid of 2 tx to
either of the Chicago Bauhaus shows.

Thanks,
Ernie


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From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Joona_P=F6yh=F6nen?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) how about this one?
Date: 22 Hel 1998 13:57:56 PST


Q2FzY2FkZSBlcCBpcyBvbiBteSBoYXZlLXRvLWdldC1saXN0IHJpZ2h0IG5vdywNCmJ1dCB0
aGlzIHRpbWUgSSBkZWNpZGVkIHRvIGdvIHdpdGgNCkx1a2UgU2xhdGVytHMgRnJlZWsgRnVu
ay4uLi5hbnkgb2YgeW91IGhhdmUgdGhpcyBvbmU/DQp3aGF0IGRvIHlvdSB0aGluayBhYm91
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From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Joona_P=F6yh=F6nen?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) orbital-info
Date: 22 Hel 1998 20:30:44 PST


QW55IG9mIHlvdSBoYXZlIGFueSByZWxlYXNlLWRhdGVzIGZvciB0aGUNCm5ldyBvcmJpdGFs
LWFsYnVtPz8/Pw0KSSBqdXN0IGNhbrR0IHdhaXQgdG8gZ2V0IG15IGhhbmRzIG9uIGl0ISEh
IQ0KDQotam9vbmEgcPZ5aPZuZW4NCg==



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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Acid Jazz: DJ Shadow
Date: 19 Aug 1998 20:10:43 +0100


At 00:45 19/08/98 +0100, Henry Cooke wrote:

>A mate of mine thought DJ Shadow sounded quite
>Propellerheads-y, but then, he's got all the musical sense of a sandal.

The Propellerheads would be one of the last bands I'd liken Shadow to. His
music's much more laid back.

>What
>would you say DJ Shadow's music is? I wouldn't say acid jazz, but I wouldn't
>say hip-hop o (spit on the meaningless term) trip-hop, either.

Well I haven't heard anything other than Lost and Found, In Flux and
Endtroducing, but I'd say they more or less fits in with that trip hop
label (in the sense that it's hip hop based with trippy edges).
I wouldn't call anything I like acid jazz, for fear of ridicule. The term
conjures up horrible images of Jamiroquai and the like. Shadow's certainly
not acid jazz, he probably only gets associated with it because Mo Wax used
to be an acid jazz label. I suppose the best I can offer is adventurous hip
hop (as distinct from the boring commercial stuff).


cheers,
JOn


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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) how about this one?
Date: 20 Aug 1998 15:36:09 +0100


At , Joona P=F6yh=F6nen wrote:
>Cascade ep is on my have-to-get-list right now,

Good choice.

>but this time I decided to go with
>Luke Slater=B4s Freek Funk....any of you have this one?
>what do you think about it?

I've got some of the tracks that have been singles, on the 'Novamute
Kompilation', er..., compilation. 'Are You There' is quite a nice
electro-ish thingy, and 'Freek Funk (Bark mix)' is harder, more full-on
techno. Both very nice, but not up to his remix of JB3's 'Forklift'. I got
the 'Love (loved)' single and, while it's not bad, it's not great either.
But loads of people seem to like what he's been up to recently, so what do
I know?=20

While I'm here, I recommend Certificate 18's compilation 'The Widescreen
Versions'. Drum and bass tracks remixed by Stasis, Future/Past, Midnight
Funk Association and others. Top track is Autechre's remix of Lexis, but
Plaid, Two Lone Swordsmen and Paradox & Dmr get honourable mentions too.

And am I the only one that gets scrambled attachments with Joona's mails?=20


cheers,
Jon


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From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) how about this one?
Date: 20 Aug 1998 18:07:28 +0100


>>Luke Slater=B4s Freek Funk....any of you have this one?
>>what do you think about it?
well, good in many ways, but I prefer his "My Yellow Wise Rug" cd (released
as Luke Slaters 7th Plane)

>And am I the only one that gets scrambled attachments with Joona's mails?=
=20
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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) how about this one?
Date: 20 Aug 1998 14:58:22 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> Cascade ep is on my have-to-get-list right now,
> but this time I decided to go with
> Luke Slater┤s Freek Funk....any of you have this one?
> what do you think about it?

    Is Hokay. Cascade better. You buy now.

-Morey





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From: Kel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Tunes On The Dunes (ot)
Date: 20 Aug 1998 22:17:33 -0400


Hey everyone, just got back from a nice vacation on the east coast with
my family... while on the Ocean City NJ boardwalk I dropped by Tunes On
The Dunes and found some great priced CDs - a used copy of 808:88:98 by
808 state, u-ziq's Brace Yourself ep (mad stuff), and incredibly, a
well-priced copy of LP5 (fuckin' a). In choosing these three though I
had to pass up a goodly number of other tunes I was after. Can anyone
send me advice on which of these should be next on my list? Send
privately if you don't want to spam the list...

"Dirty Epic/Cowgirl" by Underworld  Love both these songs on dubno, what
versions are on this? And what about their early song rez?

"WAP100 CD: We Are Reasonable People" All the warp artists on this one,
lots I haven't heard songs from yet. Would this be a good first buy?

"I Care Because You Do" Aphex Twin

"Lifeforms Paths 1-7" Future Sound Of London

"Consumed" by Plastikman

"Blue Lines" by Massive Attack

Thanks to those who help out!
                        KEL
PS: Also waiting for me on return was Digger's t-shirt... love it! Thx
dig ;)


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Tunes On The Dunes (ot)
Date: 20 Aug 1998 23:15:55 EDT


That 808:88:98 Cd just recently came out and I have already seen too many of
them for sale used. I bought it 3 different times and returned it each time
because it wasn't cut right and wouldn't play in my car without skipping. I
have Gorgeous by 808 State and I love, but if that greatest hits album of
theirs is any idea of what the rest o their music sounds like, I would have to
pass. Gergeous was better than that 808:88:98 CD by far. But, I will still
give them a chance. As for the I Care Because You Do by Aphex, it sucks as
well. In my opinion it is the worst album of his and I have heard almost
everysingle one. If you don't have AFX, don't start with that one. Ambient 1
or 2 or RDJ are easy to find and very good. Later.
AJ


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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Tunes On The Dunes (ot)
Date: 20 Aug 1998 23:10:02 -0700


The worst?  Youre the first I know to say that.  I personally think that
this is even better than Richard D. James album.  It has a lot more
substance to it while the RDJ album seemed like a compilation of tracks
he had lying around the house.  Dont get me wrong, I love the RDJ album,
but I listen to I Care Because... alot more often.  I mean, how care you
go a month with out hearing "Come On You Slags!" ?

.MatthewFord.

[e-mail] wrote:
> As for the I Care Because You Do by Aphex, it sucks as
> well. In my opinion it is the worst album of his and I have heard almost
> everysingle one.


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From: Aronne J Merrelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: AFX
Date: 21 Aug 1998 10:51:42 -0400 (EDT)


Excerpts from mail: 20-Aug-98 Re: (orbital) Tunes On The .. by
[e-mail]
> pass. Gergeous was better than that 808:88:98 CD by far. But, I will still
> give them a chance. As for the I Care Because You Do by Aphex, it sucks as
> well. In my opinion it is the worst album of his and I have heard almost
> everysingle one. If you don't have AFX, don't start with that one. Ambient
> 1 or 2 or RDJ are easy to find and very good. Later.

Whoa. :)  I disagree 100%, I think I Care Because You Do is by far his
best work... Ambient 2 is pretty amazing but its so weird, really, that
you have to be in a certain mood to listen to it. But I'm always in the
mood to listen to ICBYD. IMHO, RDJ album is rather crappy, actually. There
are quite a few good tracks on that, but they only last for 2-3 minutes
which I find just irritating - you get a nice groove or melody only to
have it taken away before you can really enjoy it :)  I always thought
that at some point between ICBYD and RDJ his lost his attention span.
But, again this is just IMHO :)
so I guess the moral of the story is that you should always
try to listen to stuff first, because everyone likes something different :)


Regards,
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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) another non-orbital post
Date: 22 Aug 1998 13:03:18 +0100


At 22:17 20/08/98 -0400, Kel wrote:

>"Dirty Epic/Cowgirl" by Underworld  Love both these songs on dubno, what
>versions are on this? And what about their early song rez?

Rez is wonderful. Imagine Cowgirl with a different melody and no vocals.
And don't tell me the vocals make Cowgirl what it is - after hearing Rez
you won't think that anymore. There are two more mixes of Cowgirl, one of
which is long and repetitive and the other's shorter and quite frankly
sounds bugger all like Cowgirl to me. Actually the 'albuim version' on
there isn't really the album version - it's the orginal single version.
Hardly any difference but I'm in a petty mood today. The original 'Dirty'
is great, 'Dirty Guitar' is better, and you know Dirty Epic off dubno. I
think it's a better CD than dubno (heresy, I know), mostly 'cos it's got
Rez on it.

>"WAP100 CD: We Are Reasonable People" All the warp artists on this one,
>lots I haven't heard songs from yet. Would this be a good first buy?

Gives you an idea of what the bands are up to, though the Autechre and
Boards Of Canada tracks sound to me like leftovers that weren't good enough
for the albums, and the AFX/Squarepusher is far tamer than I'd've expected.
The rest of the tracks are all good, so I'd say it's worth buying.

>"I Care Because You Do" Aphex Twin

I've never bought one of his albums (Except the Knob Twiddlers one) because
I used to be wary of his quality control and nowadays I'm just not paying
12 quid for a half-hour CD.

>"Lifeforms Paths 1-7" Future Sound Of London

Excellent. Very nearly as good as Cascade, and better than most of what's
on the Lifeforms album.

>"Consumed" by Plastikman

Excellent too, but very dark and minimal. And I prefer his 'Concept 1' CDs
(which are even more minimal). If you like minimal stuff, you should like
this, but beware!

>"Blue Lines" by Massive Attack

I only like 'Unfinished Sympathy' and 'Safe from harm', both of which were
singles. Everyone else says it's a wonderful album though.

At 10:51 21/08/98 -0400, Aronne J Merrelli wrote:

>so I guess the moral of the story is that you should always
>try to listen to stuff first, because everyone likes something different :)

especially with someone as unpredictable as Aphex!


cheers,
Jon

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Subject: Re: (orbital) another non-orbital post
Date: 22 Aug 1998 12:58:34 EDT



In a message dated 8/22/98 12:10:49 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<>"Lifeforms Paths 1-7" Future Sound Of London

Excellent. Very nearly as good as Cascade, and better than most of what's
on the Lifeforms album. >>

I have only the Dead Cities FSOL CD. I like it but rarely listen to it. How
does Cascade and Lifeforms compare to it? Thanks alot. Later.
AJ


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From: "timmins" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Non-Orb.. but don't miss the chance.
Date: 22 Aug 1998 12:02:48 -0500


Tickets for photek in US, especially Chicago go on sale today.
If you are going to shrug this one off, unsubscribe NOW!
Heh...
just to let you people who have a hectic schedule who miss these things
know.
have a great weekend all.
btw, according the logs... a european domain was logged as attempting to
connect
on a port that doesn't need recognition, luckily "they" (meaning more than
one european domain)
never broke through.
once again sorry,
dan



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From: [e-mail] (Brandon Invergo)
Subject: Re: (orbital) another non-orbital post
Date: 22 Aug 1998 15:01:22 EDT



On Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:58:34 EDT <[e-mail]> writes:
>
><<>"Lifeforms Paths 1-7" Future Sound Of London
>
>Excellent. Very nearly as good as Cascade, and better than most of
>what's
>on the Lifeforms album. >>
>
>I have only the Dead Cities FSOL CD. I like it but rarely listen to
>it. How
>does Cascade and Lifeforms compare to it? Thanks alot. Later.
>AJ
>

ive never heard cascade, but i have Lifeforms.   i hate it.  i can't even
listen to the whole thing all the way through.  it just sounds like a
bunch of sounds.  Dead Cities is much better, but i don't even like that
much.  i dunno, listen to it first.  supposedly cascade is good though.

brandon

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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Peel Sessions+midnight/choice
Date: 22 Aug 1998 14:16:20 PDT


Someone is selling peel sessions and midnight/choice for 6 usd each.
Check it out at:
http://www.sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk/sale/
Bye.
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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) LFO
Date: 23 Aug 1998 00:19:02 +0100


Jon,

>And, I'm sure you'll be pleased to hear Steve, I've figured out (well
>actually I heard it somewhere else) that Shove Piggy Shove is the same as
>Bjork's 'I go Humble'. I bet you'd forgotten I promised to let you know if
>I find out. Just my way of saing thanks for the live CD and Loopz 5.
>Haven't had time to read much of Loopz yet (a week's email takes a
>while...), but the CD's ace! Cheers, mate!

Thanx for finding that out Jon....as soon as its a reasonable hour (not
now) ill be scanning my cds for the track but summit tells me i wont
have it. I no doubt hear it somehow...so thanx for letting me know.

Also...glad u like the cd - knew u would :)

Cheers
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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Future Magazine / Chime (its a MIDI version - thats all)
Date: 23 Aug 1998 00:22:05 +0100


>How long is this version of Chime?  Does anyone else have any information on
>this cd/magazine?  Is it available here in the US?  Thanks.

Its a midi version of Chime...sounds a bit loose and ermmm cheesy. Its
not composed by Orbital but some geezer who works for the mag. Did
anyone notice they used the Chime scan from the Loopz site....asked for
it...gave it them...no credit...no change there then :)))

Cheers

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) FSOL
Date: 23 Aug 1998 16:28:27 +0100


On Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:58:34 EDT <[e-mail]> writes:

>I have only the Dead Cities FSOL CD. I like it but rarely listen to
>it. How
>does Cascade and Lifeforms compare to it? Thanks alot. Later.

Less dark for a start. I guess you could find parallels between them, but
really Cascade and Lifeforms are from a different FSOL era.


At 15:01 22/08/98 EDT, Brandon Invergo wrote:

>ive never heard cascade, but i have Lifeforms.   i hate it.  i can't even
>listen to the whole thing all the way through.  it just sounds like a
>bunch of sounds.  Dead Cities is much better, but i don't even like that
>much.  i dunno, listen to it first.  supposedly cascade is good though.

Lifeforms the album or the single? (wouldn't it be easier if they'd give
'em different titles?) Sounds to me like you're talking about the album,
not the single. Both the Cascade and Lifeforms singles are like the less
random (ie the best) bits of the album (such as the Cascade and Lifeforms
tracks on there, surprisingly). The singles are definitely better than the
album.

cheers,
Jon

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Radiohead
Date: 23 Aug 1998 16:33:42 +0100


At 19:31 22/08/98 -0400, Danny Colquhoun wrote:

>Oh crap, why do I have to read my mail in reverse?  Anyway, I can't believe
>this.  It was bad enough to take a shot at Jamiroquai, but Thom has one of
the
>most beautiful voices I've ever heard.

well it was that collaboration he did a while back with some indie band
(can't remember the name, their singer was female) that made me hate him.
It was the way he started whining in it, made me want to throw things at
the TV. The same effect 'American Pie' has on me. And Jim Carrey.

>If you want less whine and more rock to
>the music, get Pablo Honey.

I've never liked anything I've heard by them, but then I don't really like
indie at all, so there's "no surprises" (ho ho!) there.

> One of the things I find great about them is that
>they sound quite different on each album.  ah well.

Granted. I'll give them credit for that. I still don't like them though.


cheers,
Jon

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Subject: Re: (orbital) Radiohead
Date: 23 Aug 1998 09:50:17 -0700


Good point Jon.  They definatly join the ranks of all the other non stop
whine fests that most British rock has become.
The most annoying part about Thom is that he shows up on everyones
album.  For example, he's doing guest vocals on the new album by UNKLE.

.MatthewFord.
"Talent police, arrest this band"

Jon Green wrote:
>
> At 19:31 22/08/98 -0400, Danny Colquhoun wrote:
>
> >Oh crap, why do I have to read my mail in reverse?  Anyway, I can't believe
> >this.  It was bad enough to take a shot at Jamiroquai, but Thom has one of
> the
> >most beautiful voices I've ever heard.
>
> well it was that collaboration he did a while back with some indie band
> (can't remember the name, their singer was female) that made me hate him.
> It was the way he started whining in it, made me want to throw things at
> the TV. The same effect 'American Pie' has on me. And Jim Carrey.
>
> >If you want less whine and more rock to
> >the music, get Pablo Honey.
>
> I've never liked anything I've heard by them, but then I don't really like
> indie at all, so there's "no surprises" (ho ho!) there.
>
> > One of the things I find great about them is that
> >they sound quite different on each album.  ah well.
>
> Granted. I'll give them credit for that. I still don't like them though.
>
> cheers,
> Jon
>
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From: Jeff Bandy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Radiohead/Pulp
Date: 23 Aug 1998 13:03:31 -0400


The two most intelligent rock bands of this decade are (in my opinion)
definitely Radiohead and Pulp. I'll be the first to admit, Pablo Honey is a
horrible CD, but Radiohead hit the nail on the head with The Bends and
everything since then. OK Computer is my #1 favorite CD of all time,
because it transcends rock 'n roll; the CD (especially the first 6 tracks)
is art. I also can't say enough about Pulp. They make the most emotionally
charged music I've ever heard, and Different Class is a very close second
to OK Computer. Of course, I'm much more into Brit-rock than electronic
music (both of which are foreign here in southeast US), so I guess I'm a
little biased to rock. I just wrote because some people were badmouthing
Radiohead on account of Thom Yorke's voice (which is understandable, it's
unique).

Jeff
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From: "Dekoy the artist formerly known as Decoy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) please ignore if....
Date: 23 Aug 1998 12:09:19 PDT


you're anybody but Doug Radcliffe [e-mail], please contact me. i
tried this address to no avail.
apologies to everyone else.

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From: Nub <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) reviews
Date: 23 Aug 1998 15:54:46 -0500 (EST)


> "Dirty Epic/Cowgirl" by Underworld  Love both these songs on dubno, what
> versions are on this? And what about their early song rez?

i was never thrilled by rez, or this ep in general. but it's definately
not too bad. i really like the born slippy ep. AND has anyone heard the
dark and long ep? it's on a weird label like april records or something.
it's so fucking awesome. it's got the 6 or so longest tracks i've ever
seen on an ep (20 min., 17:53, etc. - don't have it in front of me right
now) and it's all great and mostly vocal-less (i think) which i like. my
friend found it in providence for 10 bucks - choice buy if you can get a
copy of it.

i've may have asked this before, but what do people think about
underworld's "change" (i think the original title was why why why) on the
"wasted" comp? i think it's fucking great, but i feel like the only one.

> "WAP100 CD: We Are Reasonable People" All the warp artists on this one,
> lots I haven't heard songs from yet. Would this be a good first buy?

this is very good, but the quality of the songs sort of declines by the
middle. the squarpusher/afx is pretty monotonous, but the autechre, boards
of canada, nightmares on wax, jimi tenor, etc are all kickass. i'd say buy
it.

> "I Care Because You Do" Aphex Twin

as long as you avoid ventolin you're all good. i could listen to alberto
balsam for days without getting sick of it. i like this lp about as much
as rdj album.

> "Lifeforms Paths 1-7" Future Sound Of London

haven't heard it yet, but it sounds like i should get myself a copy if
it's anything like cascade. for the person (people) who didn't /don't like
"lifeforms": i didn't like it either when i first got it. but after
hearing it a couple times in headphones, i loved it. or put in on when
you're studyin (or better yet, stoned. or both). it shouldn't take long to
grow on you. there's some great sounds in there, even if it's a bit on the
beatless side. how can you not like the "they were drowning me" guy?

two albums that i've heard lately that were surprisingly (to me) good:
"orblivion" by the orb, and "beyond the infinite" by juno reactor. the orb
one reminds me a lot of their first album, which is of course a classic.
the juno reactor is weird oldschool dark trancey stuff. hard to describe.
but good.

sorry to ramble,
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From: Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) sold out?
Date: 22 Aug 1998 19:35:12 -0400


Jon Green wrote:

> orbital haven't sold out - but a lot of people have bought in. Mind you,
> The Saint is a bit ropey. Does anyone like it?

It's a good tune to whistle to sometimes, but I much prefer The Sinner.  I
actually genuinely like that one of its own accord.

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From: Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Radiohead
Date: 23 Aug 1998 17:08:08 -0400


Jon Green wrote:

> At 19:31 22/08/98 -0400, Danny Colquhoun wrote:
>
> >Oh crap, why do I have to read my mail in reverse?  Anyway, I can't believe
> >this.  It was bad enough to take a shot at Jamiroquai, but Thom has one of
> the
> >most beautiful voices I've ever heard.
>
> well it was that collaboration he did a while back with some indie band
> (can't remember the name, their singer was female) that made me hate him.
> It was the way he started whining in it, made me want to throw things at
> the TV. The same effect 'American Pie' has on me. And Jim Carrey.

American Pie?  The Don McLean song?  Man, it's a classic.  And Jim Carey is a
real talent, his movies have pretty much blown goats, but his standup and the
characters he created on In Living Colour are great.  The name of that band is
Drugstore.  I scanned through their CD once, and thought gee, they sound like
thy're really trying to sound like Radiohead.  Then the track with Thom and I
thought 'oh.'  Don't like em myself, because whe just doesn't have a voice as
good as his.  I saw the video for the first time on Much Music this week, and
thought 'good tune, a little whiny though.'  Probably a good thing though, 'cus
we don't need another Radiohead.

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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) imvs discount
Date: 23 Aug 1998 16:59:03 PDT


There is a discount at imvs for hotmail subscribers.
link:
http://www.imvs.com/hotmail/
gets you a 20% discount.
No spending limit that I know of.
Bye.
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From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) reviews
Date: 24 Aug 1998 00:11:58 +0100


>> "I Care Because You Do" Aphex Twin
>as long as you avoid ventolin you're all good.
avoid ventolin??? ack! it's one of the greatest tracks on the cd :) and the
Ventolin remixes cd kicks a big ass, especially love the Deep Gong mix,
completely rules me.

btw, what do people think of Plaid? I bought the wap95cd (undoneson,
spudink, headspin) and really liked the tracks on it, wondered how the
album is.

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From: [e-mail] (michael halcyon)
Subject:  (orbital) are you ambient?halcyonrecordings looking for artists..
Date: 23 Aug 1998 21:32:08 -0400 (EDT)


hello..
if you are producing tracks in the realm of early orbital/klf/orb , IDM, or
ambient/atmospheric tracks, and would like to be featured on comps coming
up along with respected artists, email me for more info...


michael halcyon
halcyon recordings
p.o.box 230039

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From: "Sean" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Radiohead
Date: 23 Aug 1998 22:03:13 -0400


Radiohead is cool, but Catherine Wheel are the real trailblazers... thank
goodness no ones notices yet (except the Canadians, christ their odd!) ;-)

_sean
laste taste of Orbital live was July 12, 1997 and the jonesing is coming on
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From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Aim=E9e_Couture?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Radiohead
Date: 23 Aug 1998 23:27:30 -0400


>Radiohead is cool, but Catherine Wheel are the real trailblazers... >thank
goodness no ones notices yet (except the Canadians, christ >their odd!) ;-)


hey we're not odd ;)

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From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Aim=E9e_Couture?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Radiohead
Date: 23 Aug 1998 23:29:00 -0400


>Radiohead is cool, but Catherine Wheel are the real trailblazers... >thank
goodness no ones notices yet (except the Canadians, christ >their odd!) ;-)


hey we're not odd ;)

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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  (orbital) are you ambient?halcyonrecordings looking for artists..
Date: 24 Aug 1998 08:28:01 +0200


>hello..
>if you are producing tracks in the realm of early orbital/klf/orb , IDM, or
>ambient/atmospheric tracks, and would like to be featured on comps coming
>up along with respected artists, email me for more info...
>>
>michael halcyon


..and that's your REAL name ? :)

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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) reviews
Date: 24 Aug 1998 01:18:38 -0700




>
>> "Dirty Epic/Cowgirl" by Underworld  Love both these songs on dubno, what
>> versions are on this? And what about their early song rez?


I just bought this cd over the weekend (thanx to everyone's advice from this
list).  I do have to say that it is an amazing cd.  Dirty Epic is one of the
best song's that I have ever heard.  Even all my friends were saying as I
was playing it, "who is this?  it totally kicks ass."  It was only $10 cdn
and it was well worth every penny of it.  I noticed something though, the
cowgirl (winjer mix) is almost the same as the underworld mix of Lush off of
Diversions.  They use the same tunes, it's almost like they are remixes of
each other.  Did anyone else notice this.  I was not a huge Underworld fan
before, but I now am.  Next Underworld purchase will definitly be
dubnobasswithmyheadman (sp?).
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From: "Benjamin Szabo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) whutzup NY
Date: 24 Aug 1998 02:37:29 PDT


Hey everyone, if anyones interested theres an Atomic Babies release
party with Frankie Bones in New York. You MUST get a Village Voice
(August 25 issue) for the ad, its the only way to get in besides an
invitation. No, Im not a promoter this was just too good not to share.

BTW, im really gettin into Tri Repetea (sp?). Its my first Autechre
album, yeah whut took me so long, i just never knew what I was missing.
Does anyone know if theyre hitting the new york area soon or know where
i could get that information? (thanx)

Also, I have the chance to get the Raddicio EP (on vinyl even) as long
as i get there before the next orbital head. any
recommendations? like maybe break the sound barrier on the way over to
the shop and then tear it off the wall? then come home and listen to it
over and over again until my brain starts manifesting jell-O-like
properties? how good is it? if you had to compare it to one of their
albums, which one? thanx for the info.

layter
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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) BRAINDEAD SOUNDWAVE
Date: 24 Aug 1998 02:51:08 -0700


folks Im looking for something that for one reason or another aside from
the fact that its out of print, is hard to track down.  Its a CD by the
group, BRAINDEAD SOUNDWAVE that has the track "Im In Jail" on it.  This
song was featured in the movie "Pump Up The Volume".
If any of you know where I can track this little bastard down, let me
know.

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From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgRm91cm5pZXI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) reviews
Date: 24 Aug 1998 09:47:09 -0400


>btw, what do people think of Plaid? I bought the wap95cd (undoneson,
>spudink, headspin) and really liked the tracks on it, wondered how the
>album is.

I really love it, it is very varied in style but style unified by mood...=
 I
think It'll end up my best CD of 1998. There's a song sung by Bj=F6rk if
you're a fan... It's great too.

Derf

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) reviews
Date: 24 Aug 1998 19:08:55 +0100


At 15:54 23/08/98 -0500, Nub wrote:

>i was never thrilled by rez, or this ep in general. but it's definately
>not too bad. i really like the born slippy ep. AND has anyone heard the
>dark and long ep? it's on a weird label like april records or something.

It's a Danish label. Apparently that CD is their best seller ever. Hardly
surprising.

> choice buy if you can get a copy of it.

Absolutely. As you said, it's got loads on it and it's all excellent.

>i've may have asked this before, but what do people think about
>underworld's "change" (i think the original title was why why why) on the
>"wasted" comp? i think it's fucking great, but i feel like the only one.

It's good (but then what by UW isn't?), but not their best. Good
compilation overall, especially the first CD and the last bit of the second.


At 17:08 23/08/98 -0400, Danny Colquhoun wrote:

>American Pie?  The Don McLean song?  Man, it's a classic.

Maybe, but I still hate it.


At 00:11 24/08/98 +0100, Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson wrote:

>btw, what do people think of Plaid? I bought the wap95cd (undoneson,
>spudink, headspin) and really liked the tracks on it, wondered how the
>album is.

I understand it's in the same vein, and as good as the single. I've not got
either though. What I have got is Plaid's remix of Studio Pressure's
'Relics' on the Certificate 18 'Widescreen versions' compilation. It's an
amazing swirling drum and bass track, the CD is well worth getting.


cheers,
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From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Radiohead
Date: 24 Aug 1998 15:10:58 -0400




[e-mail] wrote:

> hey we're not odd ;)

    Maybe odd isn't exactly the right word. How exactly _do_ you manage to have
a different e-mail address every week? On second thought......I think I
answered my own question..

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From: Matthew J Russell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) let's try this again......
Date: 24 Aug 1998 16:04:39 -0400 (EDT)


it seems this comp likes to do weird things to me..and i may have
accidentally posted a message meant for the list to someone(whoever it
was..i'm sorry)...but i am back after a prolonged departure(no
comp)....did anyone miss/care concerning me? oh, and has there been any
news on new tracks(or lack thereof) concerning the new album?




                          matt(i know you can read MY thoughts, boy......
meow meow meow meow meow)










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From: "Wouter Hermans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) reviews
Date: 24 Aug 1998 21:52:34 +0200


>AND has anyone heard the
>dark and long ep? it's on a weird label like april records or something.
>it's so fucking awesome. it's got the 6 or so longest tracks i've ever
>seen on an ep (20 min., 17:53, etc. - don't have it in front of me right
>now) and it's all great and mostly vocal-less (i think) which i like. my
>friend found it in providence for 10 bucks - choice buy if you can get a
>copy of it.


i got it... first a radio edit of dark&long, then "thing in a book" that
takes like over 20 minutes, but is awesome (i find myself actually
fantasising more music in it...)... "spoon deep" is next... 17 min "remix"
of surfboy (dubnobass)... what's weird is that on the dubnobass there is a
song called "spoonman"...
dark hard... and then the awesome "dark train" that sounds soo repetetive
and monotone, but it's awesome :) (you can hear it also in the trainspotting
soundtrack... when the main character is lying in his bed, locked in his
room and kicking off of the drugs.. and he sees this baby crawling on the
ceiling)...
it closes with burts.. whooo

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Subject: (orbital) Bogus new album news?
Date: 24 Aug 1998 17:40:13 +0000


Everyone:

Hey, is this true?

I Have serious doubts about it... I'd believe Steve Price before this..


>>>

Link below....


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From: Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Radiohead
Date: 24 Aug 1998 11:29:24 -0400


Sean wrote:

> Radiohead is cool, but Catherine Wheel are the real trailblazers... thank
> goodness no ones notices yet (except the Canadians, christ their odd!) ;-)

I've always liked "way down" by them, but I don't remember anything getting any
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From: [e-mail] (Reece KH)
Subject: Re: (orbital) how about this one?
Date: 24 Aug 1998 23:31:42 GMT


> And am I the only one that gets scrambled attachments with Joona's mails?=20

scrambled _attachments_? thats all i see, and it's annoying. it's like kenny's talking
(s.p.), but there's no one to reply to what he said so we can understand!

-= over and out =-

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From: [e-mail] (Reece KH)
Subject: Re: (orbital) Radiohead
Date: 24 Aug 1998 23:40:51 GMT


>
> >Radiohead is cool, but Catherine Wheel are the real trailblazers... >thank
> goodness no ones notices yet (except the Canadians, christ >their odd!) ;-)
>
>
> hey we're not odd ;)
>
> aimee

damn right!

-= over and out =-

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From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Aim=E9e_Couture?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Radiohead
Date: 24 Aug 1998 19:12:05 -0400


>    Maybe odd isn't exactly the right word. How exactly _do_ you manage =
to
have
>a different e-mail address every week? On second thought......I think I
>answered my own question..


umm.. i'm magical ;) well actually.. i got the softhome.net email addy wh=
en
i moved to win98 cuz i wanted to have pop3 mail.. then wouter bought
shush.com (go see his site NOW.. run, don't walk) and well that's why i h=
ave
this addy.. :) and i don't have one a week.. in my whole life i've had.. =
11
email addys that i can think of..

aim=E9e
shush.com/morbidbutterfly
"I walked into the space, and was immediately struck speechless. The bass
was rattling the mirrors on the far wall. There were laser beams everywhe=
re.
The music shot into the core of my body and I moved, I just moved, all ni=
ght
long. People I didn't know gave me water when I was thirsty. People gave =
me
candy and hugs. For one night, I was one with the universe, I was one wit=
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From: Joona =?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=F6yh=F6nen?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) how about this one?
Date: 27 Feb 1998 13:06:47 -0800


Reece KH wrote:
>
> > And am I the only one that gets scrambled attachments with Joona's mails?=20
>
> scrambled _attachments_? thats all i see, and it's annoying. it's like kenny's talking
> (s.p.), but there's no one to reply to what he said so we can understand!

Any stupid attachments now?????
Hope not.

-joona


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From: "Wouter Hermans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) reviews
Date: 25 Aug 1998 18:00:38 +0200


>I noticed something though, the
>cowgirl (winjer mix) is almost the same as the underworld mix of Lush off
of
>Diversions.  They use the same tunes, it's almost like they are remixes of
>each other.  Did anyone else notice this.

<adrealine rush>
let's say that if you continue to shop UW stuff, you'll go many times like
"damn i
heard this somewhere, but can't remember..."

... until you spin rez after cowgirl, cherry pie after rowla, deep arch
after born slippy.nuxx, spoon deep after surfboy and so on and so on and
stuff...

and then you listen like things as "pearl's girl" and the "pearl's girl tin
there"... and you go "wtf?!? isn't it like a remix?  sounds completely
spectacular different... this is meeeentaaaal!" or something...

it's another kind of music than orbital tho, so i don't have problems to say
they are my #1 in that genre...

ps: if you ever get the chance to see them live... go... but don't try to
sing along, you'll only fail :)

</adrealine rush>

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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) reviews
Date: 25 Aug 1998 19:08:32 +0200


><adrealine rush>
>let's say that if you continue to shop UW stuff, you'll go many times like
>"damn i
>heard this somewhere, but can't remember..."
>
>... until you spin rez after cowgirl, cherry pie after rowla, deep arch
>after born slippy.nuxx, spoon deep after surfboy and so on and so on and
>stuff...


you forgot to mention probabbly the wildest one - pearl's girl after
carp dreams...koi. man i've tried and tried to mix in those two as wave
files but I can never get it right what i want it to be (I will some
day!:)).

i too am an underworld addict (shows on my HP for sure),

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From: "_Quasar- ." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Burning Man
Date: 25 Aug 1998 10:18:33 PDT


Hi this is a bit off topic, but is anyone on the list going to Burning
Man?? I'm on my way now (in Ohio) with 6 days till the Playa!
Anyone that is going, and would like to meet up gimme a buz! peace, and
love Orbital fiends!

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From: "7 7 7" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Bogus new album news?
Date: 25 Aug 1998 13:11:22 PDT


>Hey, is this true?
>I Have serious doubts about it... I'd believe Steve Price before this..

As much as I'd like it to be, I don't think so. Steve Price himself said
he'd been talking to Phil and Paul, and that's as sure as source you can
get if you ask me.

Never know what these mags speculate in.. ;)

Trym

But 2 albums before 2000... well, that'd be a great gift for the new
millenium. :)

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) how about this one?
Date: 25 Aug 1998 21:15:39 +0100


At 13:06 27/02/80 -0800, Joona P=F6yh=F6nen wrote:

>Any stupid attachments now?????
>Hope not.

None at all.=20


At 21:52 24/08/98 +0200, Wouter Hermans wrote:

>"spoon deep" is next... 17 min "remix"
>of surfboy (dubnobass)...=20

With bits of some mixes of D&L and chunks of Dogman Go Woof too. Well I
think so.=20
That is truly an incredible track, there's just so much in there. Wonderful.=
=20

>and then you listen like things as "pearl's girl" and the "pearl's girl tin
>there"... and you go "wtf?!? isn't it like a remix?  sounds completely
>spectacular different...=20

I reckon they do it to try and confuse us.=20


And for whoever it was was asking about DJ Shadow (I really must pay more
attention to who writes what. When Darren Emerson posted to the Underworld
list a while back I didn't realise!), apparently there's a mailing list
devoted to him, called influx. See www.underworld.net/influx


cheers,
Jon

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From: Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Radiohead
Date: 24 Aug 1998 11:29:24 -0400


Sean wrote:

> Radiohead is cool, but Catherine Wheel are the real trailblazers... thank
> goodness no ones notices yet (except the Canadians, christ their odd!) ;-)

I've always liked "way down" by them, but I don't remember anything getting any
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Subject: Re: (orbital) reviews
Date: 26 Aug 1998 01:28:24 -0700




>
>><adrealine rush>
>>let's say that if you continue to shop UW stuff, you'll go many times like
>>"damn i
>>heard this somewhere, but can't remember..."
>>
>>... until you spin rez after cowgirl, cherry pie after rowla, deep arch
>>after born slippy.nuxx, spoon deep after surfboy and so on and so on and
>>stuff...


At a party that I was at, the DJ spun Comfortably Numb by Pink Floyd into
Born Slippy.  Now that's what I call a bizarre yet amazing mix.  They
weren't on top of each other, but just blended so one played after the
other.  Still amazing.
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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) UNKLE Psyence Fiction
Date: 25 Aug 1998 22:38:07 +0100


Got it yesterday, and it's really good. It's had some mixed reviews, but
I really like it. It does get quite pretentious along the way, but with
James Lavelle sticking more than his nose in what do you expect? The
track with the "Whining Git" is good, and the track with Whining Git
Mark II (Richard Ashcroft) is outstanding. I've loved The Verve from way
back and this is great, although it's going to do nothing for Richie's
reputation as a real party killer. Anyway...

Overall, it does whiff strongly of a coffee table centre piece, but if
you actually listen to the tracks you will find an interesting album.
Great.
--
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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Radiohead
Date: 26 Aug 1998 15:22:32 +0000


>
> sorry about that, I'm transitioning around a lot lately.  i think this
> one'll stick. ;-)
>
> l8r,
> _sean

    I was just referring to aimee ot the million e-mail addresses,
mainly. Just, er, poking fun...

now playing - juno reactor - conga fury

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) What does that link say ?
Date: 26 Aug 1998 22:25:43 +0100


>Everyone:
>Hey, is this true?
>I Have serious doubts about it... I'd believe Steve Price before this..
>>>
>Link below....
>http://www.dailyentertainment.com/web/dms_News?article_id=684

I cant connect to this damn link so i cant confirm or deny what it says.
If someone could mention what it exactly says ill mail the list with a
response.
I noticed Trym mentioned...2 albums before 2000 - so if the above link
says that then read on...

One thing i can say about rumours like that...is Paul did consider
getting 2 albums out the way before the Mil but last comments i heard
was that the next album after this new one would not make it before the
year 2000. Besides its hard to announce an album release when they aint
even wrote it.

I gotta say this...it annoys me when magazines and websites come out
with this kind of info...as it can set the wrong expectations and piss
us all off when the release is not complete when they say it should be.

If it aint confirmed  - dont swallow it.

BTW>....new album date is still not confirmed.


Thanx

Steve LOOPZ Price
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Subject: (orbital) Got that Link - comments
Date: 26 Aug 1998 22:33:58 +0100


>Orbital have been conspicuously quiet lately. After releasing In-Sides and
touring, >they've seemingly dropped off the face of the earth. Or have
they? Techno's most >famous brothers have been in the studio, recording
their new album. They've >completed 10 tracks for the as-yet untitled
album, due out later this year. Not >only that, but they've also
promised another album before the year 2000.

This is what it said....

Things to say....

They aint completed 10 tracks - they have done 7 the last time i spoke
to Paul and i believe...there will be 8 tracks in total (2 parters as
well). Forget the year 2000 comment...as well...

Hopefully ill update the news page some time this week (maybe) and get
some concrete info on the new album. Still waiting for the release date
though.


Thanx

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From: "7 7 7" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Trance Europe Express
Date: 26 Aug 1998 15:11:22 PDT


Hi all,

Okay, only slightly Orbital related since the first track on the whole
compilation is Semi-Detached, but WHAT a song I keep getting reminded
that is.

If you still haven't got much a clue of what I'm relating to, it's the
"Trance Europe Express" 2CD compilation with Orbital's "Semi-detached"
track featured.

The track listing apart from that (quite specked with stars really) is
:

CD 1
Orbital - Semi-detached (okay, so i've said it thrice already.. ;) )
Bandulu - Gravity Pull
Readymade - Face the Day
System 7 - Desir
Spooky & Billie Ray Martin - Persuasion
Material - Praying Mantra
The Black Dog - Xeper
Scubadevils - Celestial Symphony
030 - Midnight in Europe
Cosmic Baby - Space Track
Total Eclipse - Black Hole
CJ Bolland - Random

CD 2
MLO - Colour of the Sun
Source - It's a Kind of Magic
Aphex Twin - Analogue Bubblebath 3
The Orb - Majestic
Moody Boyz - Glitch
Moby - Move
DIY - Washed Over By Mastemah
The Drum Club - Follow the Sun
Psychick Warriors Ov Gaia - Dust
Barbarella - The Mission
Sabres of Paradise - Inter/Lergen/Ten/Ko
Trance Induction - N

well, I think that the track listing looks good, I've only listened to
the tracks up to CJ Bolland on side one so far, and there I only felt
track 3 went down badly. Also, I lost track and only absently paid
attention to the tracks from The Black Dog and Scubadevils, but I'm
still happy with my purchase.

Anyone recognise any groups they have something else of (apart from the
obvious ones) that they can recommend?

Regards,

Trym

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From: "7 7 7" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) MTV-Video
Date: 26 Aug 1998 18:11:32 PDT


>>Are you referring to the song which ends with "Bye now..." by that
male,
>>computer-ish voice. a rather long commercial bit where it tells about
>>Alternative Nation, Star Traxx and stuff? if so, then you completely
>>read my mind because the present song on that commercial is kinda
cool,
>>but I haven't got a clue as to its name but I really want to find out.
>
>yesyes that one...  i heard it before, but i just can't place a name on
>it... would love to get it somewhere maybe... if the group isn't spice
girls
>that is ;)

Did you ever find out which song this was, Wouter? I'm still curious and
have got no clue whatsoever yet.

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From: [e-mail] (Dmitriy Sommer)
Subject: (orbital) What "Satan" ?
Date: 28 Aug 1998 01:16:20 -0300


     Hello.

I have that mail-order catalog in local record shop and it has something
listed like this

  PLG850990.2   ORBITAL                SATAN                        3.00$

  But i'm not sure - is it "Satan Live", or original "Satan" - unfortunately,
there's no tracklisting available. I couldn't find that catalogue number
(Polygram, 850-990-2) in Lazlo's discog, but i'm sure it's from US or Canada.

     So, could you guys check your copys of "Satan" and "Satan Live" and tell
me should i order that CD or not  ( i need original "Satan" , because of
brilliant LC1).

     Thank you very much !

   With best regards, Dmitriy <[e-mail]>   28 Aug 1998 / 01:09

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From: [e-mail] (Rich J Bide)
Subject: Re: (orbital) What "Satan" ?
Date: 27 Aug 1998 20:10:21 -0400


On Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:16:20 -0300
[e-mail]
(Dmitriy Sommer) writes:
>
>I have that mail-order catalog in local record shop and it has
>something listed like this
>
>  PLG850990.2   ORBITAL                SATAN     3.00$
>
>  But i'm not sure - is it "Satan Live", or original "Satan" -
>unfortunately, there's no tracklisting available. I couldn't find that
>catalogue number (Polygram, 850-990-2) in Lazlo's discog, but i'm sure
it's >from US or Canada.

This is the track featuring Kirk Hammett of Metallica.  The complete
track listing is:

Satan (featuring Kirk Hammett)                     3:32
Satan (live in New York City 96)                 7:03
The Girl With the Sun in her Head Live (Tribal Gathering 97) 7:24

The collaboration with Hammett was featured on the soundtrack for the
movie Spawn.

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From: ajl <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) underworld
Date: 28 Aug 1998 03:14:07 -0500


all this talk of Underworld...

i'd be willing to sell/trade the following 12"s:

Dark & Long (JBO 19) UK 1994
a. dark train mix
b. burts mix

Dark & Long (JBO 19X) UK 1994
a. spoon deep mix
b. thing in a book mix

Cowgirl (Wax Trax/TVT) US 1994
a1. album version
a2. winjer mix
b. irish pub in kyoto mix

...they're all in great condition too

mail me privately if interested.

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Subject: (orbital) Schizoid Man Gig (Schematix and friend)
Date: 29 Aug 1998 00:04:46 +0100


All,

For those who have tasted Mr Phil Holmburgs lush music may want to see
the man LIVE under his other name (Schizoid Man).

The Event:    Jocky Slut Unsigned Night
The Venue :    Generation X. Oxford Road (Next to the British Rail Station)
        Manchester

On Stage:    Schizoid Man will be on Approx 21:45hrs

Further details (ticket/pay on the door/cost/amount of people allowed)
will be posted here when i find out.

Ill be there!


Thanx

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) kinetic
Date: 29 Aug 1998 16:40:09 +0100


From www.juno.co.uk :

>GOLDEN GIRLS: Kinetic (Rhythm Masters, Slacker, Orbital mixes) (Distinctive
>12" promo: DP 461 [4.99]) Pinnacle

Out this Monday (or maybe not as it's a bank holiday). They've filed it
under house, and I think we can be very frightened about what they've done
to it as it's on Distinctive. mind you, if they put the REAL Orbital mix
on, I'll be buying it anyway.

cheers,
Jon

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From: Matthew J Russell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) time for a cd request
Date: 31 Aug 1998 08:58:49 -0400 (EDT)


i have been searching in vain for a copy(any copy) of omen..hell even a
dubbed tape will work at this point...anyone able to help?




                     matt(close encounters of the 67th kind..that's when
you share a couple of six packs and talk about how much better the
original black sabbath was, and how you could have been a pro football
player but your coach didn't like you and he cut you before the game with
the big talent scout watching...)



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From: Nub <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) trance europe..
Date: 31 Aug 1998 21:39:11 -0500 (EST)


my two fave tracks on that are 030's "midnight in europe" and cosmic baby's
"spacetrack," the latter of which is somewhat of a classic. much of the rest
of the set is throwaway, if you ask me.

later,
ben


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