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- Topic 19 Wed Apr 29, 1992
- D.BARR2 (Forwarded)
- Sub: GEOS ALTERNATIVE
-
- Post ideas or help with alternatives to GEOS
- 25 message(s) total.
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 1 Wed Apr 29, 1992
- D.BARR2 (Forwarded)
-
- I want a program like GEOS or WINDOWS. But I want to be able add any program
- I choose to the ICON selections. Does a program exist?
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 2 Wed Apr 29, 1992
- CBM-ED [e.g.bell] (Forwarded)
-
- I don't know every prog available, but it does seem that even if you find
- something to do some of what you want, you will have to write your own
- applications unless it is just a menu program that loads and runs other
- programs. I think Quick Brown Box is the closest thing
- *I* know of to that... load from a menu using defined hotkeys, but no icons.
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 3 Thu Apr 30, 1992
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded)
-
- First - I will be moving this to Category #3 (software)
-
- Next: for the C64 I believe Super SnapShot (V5.0?) adds an icon driven
- interface to the C64 on bootup or reset.
-
- To what kind of program do you want to add an icon interface?
- One programmed by you?
- In basic or machine language?
- Commercial software?
- Public Domain software?
-
- Why do you need the icon interface? To make it easier for you or easier
- for a potential user?
- Can it be a menu-driven interface vs icon driven?
-
- You can also have control over which icons and how they appear on a Geos
- disk.
- Though you are limited to what kind of non-Geos program you can run.
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 4 Thu Apr 30, 1992
- PAUL-MB (Forwarded)
-
- Snapshot doesn't offer icons upon booting, instead you get a menu with
- a few options.
-
- ▐▐▐ Paul ▐▐▐
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 5 Thu Apr 30, 1992
- D.BARR2 (Forwarded)
-
- I am running a 128. I want to make this system easy for my wife to use. She
- has to have pages of instructions on loading the various disks and what to
- type just to run what she wants and she will usually get it wrong. So I am
- looking for something that will allow me to use whatever program I want
- (usually commercial software) and have them all selected from one master
- screen. ICON driven would be nice, but I would settle for MENU driven.
-
- Any ideas?
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 6 Fri May 01, 1992
- HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded)
-
- And, on the 128, Basic8's DeskTop offers an icon oriented means of program
- launching, and windowing.
-
- I've used this for the B8 related applications. Quess it could be used
- with just about anything.
-
- Howie
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 7 Fri May 01, 1992
- D.BARR2 (Forwarded)
-
- OK...where can I find Basic 8 Desktop? And is that my only choice?
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 8 Fri May 01, 1992
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded)
-
- You can download the Basic 8 desktop from Library #38 along with the Basic
- 8 RunTimeLibrary. It is also part of the Basic 8 package available from
- Briwall.
-
- If the disk your wife is going to use will always have the same
- programs on it to run I suggest making a boot disk with all the programs
- and writing a small basic boot program. I did this with my HDs so when
- the computer is turned on it boots from the default partition with a
- menu. Then all someone has to do is hit a key ( 0-9, .,-,+ ) and the program
- will change partitions and run the first program in that partition.
-
- I can upload my example to Lib #41 later this week. Remember, it is not
- an example of good programming :) just quick programming.
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 9 Fri May 01, 1992
- D.BARR2 (Forwarded)
-
- Many thanks, I'll download those tonight.
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 10 Fri May 01, 1992
- D.BARR2 (Forwarded)
-
- I GIVE UP!!!!! I can NOT D/L a program to save my life! I have no problem
- D/L'ing a text file successfully. I have no problem D/L'ing Xmodem Mail.
- But every program I've D/L'ed has given Syntax Error and will not run. I
- don't know why. What is so different? I use Pro128Term v 16.1. I use
- Xmodem, call it a program, ask for ASCII tanslation, same as I do for text
- (except there I call it sequential file). I can't see what I am doing wrong.
- Does anyone have any suggestions? I've read he New Members kit. But that
- has been no help.
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 11 Sat May 02, 1992
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded)
-
- Do not ask for ASCII translation on program files!!!
- You only ask for ASCII translations on text files and only if you are
- using a word processor that uses Pet Ascii files.
-
- Your best bet is to use Wizard 128! and use Ymodem. Using Ymodem will
- make downloads a lot shorter.
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 12 Sun May 03, 1992
- D.BARR2 (Forwarded)
-
- JBEE...Thanks for your help. That made a big difference, HOWEVER.....
-
- I D/L'ed CS-DOS successfully. It wors so I tried to use the ARC 2.41 built-
- in (128ARC) to use on the Runtime program I D/L'ed. The ARC program loads
- ok and I get the copyright notice and short key abbreviation menu and then a
- ready. But when I try to use it I get Syntax Error. So close to success!
-
- I type in arc/x a:runtime and get the error. Why?
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 13 Sun May 03, 1992
- R.KNOP1 [Rob Knop] (Forwarded)
-
- Hi-
-
- Your problem is, the program is called arc128, not arc. So, you need to use
- the command
-
- arc128/x
-
- not
-
- arc/x
-
- Unfortunately, the documentation says to do the latter. (This one had me
- going for a LONG time... kicked myself when I figured it out.)
-
- -Rob
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 14 Sun May 03, 1992
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded)
-
- Okay, after a quick conference we determined it was a lack of a REU and
- ramdisk space because ARC128 was not being installed properly.
- How to cure this, refer to the CS-DOS topic.
- I would like to also point out I have uploaded CS-DOS "helper" files
- to get everyone started if they already have the CS-DOS download.
- Same thing as someone could do themselves but the ramdisk and autoexec
- files are ready to go. Which is the little "push" someone might need to
- get going without digesting all 50k of text files.
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 15 Tue May 05, 1992
- D.BARR2 (Forwarded)
-
- JBEE...many thanks for all your help. I D/L'ed CSDOS.NOREU.SFX and followed
- your instructions. Works okeedokee now. Except I don't understand why I
- can't get the program to un-arc from a to c. It goes through the motions and
- gives me the display of all the files being created but they never get to to
- c disk. I have to un-arc on the same disk as the file. Unusual?
-
- Anyway, I am most pleases with the progress so far, now I just need to find
- the docs for Basic 8 so I can use it properly.
-
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 16 Wed May 06, 1992
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded)
-
-
-
- Try this
- c:
- arc128/x a:filename.arc
-
- C:<return> sets drive C as your default drive, if you do a DIR you should
- see the files on drive C.
-
- You set the default drive for writing files by typing the drive letter
- and colon followed by the return key. You can deARC files from one drive
- and save them to another (your default drive).
-
- Basic 8 is a commercial software package. You can not write Basic 8
- programs unless you buy the commercial package. The RTL here will let
- you run programs written with Basic 8 or run the Basic 8 Desktop without
- owning Basic 8.
-
- The freely distributable RTL is a means of letting people that have no need
- for the Basic 8 programming language to run Basic 8 applications.
- You can still run your own Basic programs from the Basic 8 Desktop!
- Which should suit your needs for making accessing your files easy as point
- and click.
-
- You could make the first 8 files on the disk small basic programs that
- will boot different prgs Ex: run"filename"onu(x).
- Name each small Basic boot program something simple. Example:
- Database
- Word Processor
- Paint Program
-
- Then each program can look like this:
- program name:database
-
- 10 rem --- run database program on device #9
- 20 run"pocketfiler"onu9
- 30 end
-
- Make your Basic 8 Workbench disk bootable! so all the person has to do to
- get the Desktop is insert the disks and press the reset key or turn the
- computer on.
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 17 Wed May 06, 1992
- D.BARR2 (Forwarded)
-
- Did that, JBEE. Typed C: and tried DIR got the DIR for A.
-
- Things that make you go HHHMMMMMMM.
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 18 Wed May 06, 1992
- M.DULSKI1 [Mark @WIZARD] (Forwarded)
-
- JBEE,
-
- In the autoexec you didn't by chance ASSIGN new drive letters did you?
- A: unit #8, drive #0
- B: unit #9, drive #0 (default would be unit #8, drive #1)
- C: unit #10, drive #0 (default would be unit #9, drive #0)
-
- So that now B: would have to be used?
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 19 Thu May 07, 1992
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded)
-
- I have never reassigned the drive defaults for CS-DOS.
-
- How about an experiment:
- Type the drives
- a:
- dir
- b:
- dir
- c:
- dir
- d:
- dir
- e:
- dir
- f:
- dir
-
- and see which drive numbers respond to the DIR.
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 20 Thu May 07, 1992
- HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded)
-
- Adding in my 2 cents worth...
-
- Any time you change default device numbers (like doing a B: <CR>) you can
- verify which drive B: ( or C:) might be, by doing the DIR command.
-
- Once you've determined which drive is assigned to which letter, everything
- can be entered onto one line, from *ANY* drive:
-
- arc128/xb a:filename <--- unarc filename.arc which is in drive A, and
- write all its file parts to the drive B
-
- There is no limit to the number of programs that you can launch from the
- Basic8 DeskTop, which lets you click a mouse on any icon to run that
- program. Any program that is on the drive, and whose name begins with a
- └b8.' will display. So a name like └b8.blah blah' displays on the
- DeskTop as └blah blah'.
-
- Only 8 icons will display on screen at one time, but clicking on the
- screen's cursor will scroll through as many files that may be on the
- disk, and bring up additional program icons.
-
- With the commercial B8 package you could customize the icons, and
- continue to use B8's features for the launch programs. Otherwise, using
- Basic7 to start up something as JBEE suggests is the way to go. Just name
- all of the starters: b8.this or that.
-
- Howie
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 21 Thu May 07, 1992
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded)
-
- Good points to add!
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 22 Thu May 07, 1992
- HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded)
-
- A couple more cents of stuff...
-
- One of the nice things about CS/DOS is that so many of its parameters can
- be customized by the user.
-
- I found it easiest to follow CP/M's drive assignment convention, so device 8
- is A, 9 is B, 10 is C, etc.
-
- They can pretty much be set up however you want, with the exception of using
- drive Z (?), which is reserved as the default.
-
- One other feature of DeskTop: It's opening screen will allow selection
- of files from up to 4 drives (8 thru 11). A click on any one, opens
- it up to display its └b8.' files. Clicking on a drive's close icon, will
- let you select another drive. (I hope the PD release of DeskTop come with
- docs describing all this.)
-
- I think I have all of this right... Most are all parts of the initial
- set-up, and once set, are never bothered with again. They control things
- in the background, transparently.
-
- Howie
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 23 Fri May 08, 1992
- M.DULSKI1 [Mark @WIZARD] (Forwarded)
-
- Yep, it's drive Z in CS-DOS that is defined as the last accessed drive,
- same as peek(186).
-
- I agree with your drive letter assignments Howie. It >is< a lot easier
- to have A=8 ; B=9 ; etc. Once I figured out batch files that was the
- first change I made to the autoexec!
-
- ▐▐Mark▐▐
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 24 Sat May 09, 1992
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded)
-
- I never did change the CS-DOS setup, probably because I frequently use
- MSD drives (did I ever mention I love MSD drives ;)
-
- So....
- A=#8,0
- b=#8,1
- c=#9,0
- d=#9,1
- e=#10,0
- f=#10,1
- g=#11,0
- h=#11,1
-
- Sorry, a small detail I overlooked.
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- Category 3, Topic 19
- Message 25 Sat May 09, 1992
- HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded)
-
- Seeing our messages about drive assignments gave me the idea to try to see
- if I could make a few more of them. I had a drive I: for RamLink's 16, but
- have been using RL/DOS when it came to switching partitions.
-
- Seems that CS/DOS, just like the Pocket programs, *WILL* accept entries
- like:
-
- assign j to 16,3
- assign k to 16,4
- assign l to 16,5
-
- So, I am off to modify autoexec. It is now part of the REU's image, since
- I use └disk2reu', I think I'll add a line for autoexec to call another
- autoexec from I:, so making any more changes will be easier. :)
-
- Howie
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- Topic 21 Tue Apr 21, 1992
- H.HOMEIER1 [Harold] (Forwarded)
- Sub: Un-LIBing CPM Files
-
- Help!!
- 3 message(s) total.
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- Category 3, Topic 21
- Message 1 Tue Apr 21, 1992
- H.HOMEIER1 [Harold] (Forwarded)
-
- How do I unlibrary the CPM files. I' have Ql41.com. Is that a unlibraryer?
-
- Stupid question.
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- Category 3, Topic 21
- Message 2 Tue Apr 21, 1992
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded)
-
- I will be moving this topic to Cat#3 (software).
-
- The best way to unlibrary CP/M files is to copy the library program
- and the library file to a large capacity disk and then use a copy program
- to move the CBM files to a CP/M disk.
- NULU152a.com was used for the PCXS11.LBR file and will deLIBrary the files
- nicely. I did leave instructions in the file description but if after
- reading it you need more help just post your question back here again.
-
- Both these programs were recently uploaded to the C-128 Flagship libraries.
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- Category 3, Topic 21
- Message 3 Sun Apr 26, 1992
- HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded)
-
- Harold,
-
- QL41 is my favorite for getting files out of Libraries. Has a very friendly
- interface. When it shows a listing of files, selecting a number will then
- give
- a listing of files in the library.
-
- Help is only a keypress away, and it seems to work pretty fast.
-
- I have found, however, that QL41 may have a prob with some LBR's, and for
- these I've used the DELBR.COM that came with the CBM system utilities disk.
-
- Unlike QL41, if the library members are also crunched/squeezed, DELBR
- requires using a seperate utility to then expand the library members.
-
- Howie
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- Topic 22 Thu Oct 08, 1992
- R.STCLAIR1 (Forwarded)
- Sub: cp/m 28may87
-
- Need to locate cp/m version 28may87 s
-
- 3 message(s) total.
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- Category 3, Topic 22
- Message 1 Thu Oct 08, 1992
- R.STCLAIR1 (Forwarded)
-
- I just purchased a used C128 and discovered that the cp/m disk that came with
- the computer is the 1aug85 version. You know the the one that does'nt
- recgonize the 1750 REU. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of a later
- version? Thanks in advance for any information anyone might have. R.StClair1
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- Category 3, Topic 22
- Message 2 Thu Oct 08, 1992
- HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded)
-
- The '85 sys *will* recognize a REU, I believe. To get to the REU, merely
- enter at the prompt: M: <CR>.
-
- The '85 sys, however, will not let you use a modem. For this, and some minor
- bug fixes, and to use a 1581 in CP/M you should use the '87 sys.
-
- You should be able to order this direct from Commodore for $20.00.
-
- Howie
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- Category 3, Topic 22
- Message 3 Thu Oct 08, 1992
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded)
-
- I would call first! I heard rumors the license wasn't renewed and
- even when it was getting it took months on end.
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- Topic 23 Fri Oct 02, 1992
- S.MAZZOTTA1 [Sam] (Forwarded)
- Sub: CP/M Read & Reply 1.40 w/ a 128
-
- Has anyone been able to get the CP/M Read & Reply 1.40 (CRR0140) offline mail
- reader to work on a 128?
-
- 3 message(s) total.
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- Category 3, Topic 23
- Message 1 Fri Oct 02, 1992
- S.MAZZOTTA1 [Sam] (Forwarded)
-
- Desiring to have an offline mail reader for .qwk packets for my 128, and being
- unimpressed with QWKRR128, the only mail reader available for 128 mode, I
- recently paid a visit to the CP/M RT (page 685), and downloaded CRR0140.ZIP.
-
- Has anyone else tried to use this?
-
- Here's what I did: I created a 1581 CP/M disk and put all the CRR files, the
- VDE text editor, and extracted .qwk files on it.
-
- The important program files are CRR.COM and CRRQWK.CHN. According to the
- docs, if you're using .qwk packets (as opposed to .xrs packets), you enter the
- following line:
-
- CRR QWK <<RETURN>>
-
- When I do this the disk drive goes to work, the screen clears, and I get the
- following:
-
- CP/M Read & Reply 1.40 (c) Copyright 1990,1991 Paul Martin
-
- CRRQWK 0.02
-
- File does not exist
-
- I/O error 01;PC=0802 program aborted
-
-
- Anybody know what the problem is here?
-
- I know that not all CP/M programs will run on all CP/M machines. Maybe this
- program needs to be installed to the 128's CP/M system.--I wouldn't know how
- to go about doing that.
-
- There IS a CRRINST.COM file in the archive, but this just asks the user to
- specify some of the control codes that control the screen display.
-
- Anybody tried this? Anybody have any idea what's going on here?
-
- By the way, CRR0140.ZIP is file #7908 in the CP/M software library on page
- 685.
-
- Sam
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- Category 3, Topic 23
- Message 2 Thu Oct 08, 1992
- CBM-ED [e.g.bell] (Forwarded)
-
- I know that the CRR program works on the C128 because there is a guy on FIDO
- who uses this all the time. He is the guy people with CP/M questions out
- there go to. But at least I can tell you that I know it works. I don't use
- either one (QWKRR or CRR).
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- Category 3, Topic 23
- Message 3 Sun Oct 11, 1992
- S.CRAIK [Steve] (Forwarded)
-
- Hi Sam,
-
- Have you used VDE to create a DEFAULTS.CRR file? (as per the DOX)
- I believe that was the answer ISMAEL CORDERIO gave. (I believe the
- person whom ED BELL was referring about). Then, have you all the
- other utilities that may be needed (ARKxx.COM or another .ARC type
- archiever.) Hmm? I don't know which compression you can select
- for the uploading process. ..for that matter which for dl'ing.
- If you've selected ZIP compression for dl'ing. Then you'll need
- to UNZIP BBSNAME.QWK (but this file has to be renamed to BBSNAME.ZIP)
- once the files are extracted ..then use CRRQWK. It'll look for
- MESSAGES.DAT & CONTROL.DAT and create the XRS files (that CRR.COM
- uses. By all means do use CRRINST.COM If you need the data to
- enter.. I'll look it up. But, its in the 128 SYSTEMS GUIDE (CP/M
- section)
-
- Steve Craik
-
- BTW... what is it that you don't like about QWKRR? Do you have
- the latest version? QWKRRV21.SFX (the new QWIKREAD128 speeds things)
- but, then I have RAMLink and QWKRR128 was fairly fast anyway.
-
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