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- Topic 10 Wed Jun 19, 1991
- H.HERMAN1 at 02:27 EDT
- Sub: Commodore Customer Service
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- For Customer Service call: 1-800-448-9987.
- 19 message(s) total.
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- Category 2, Topic 10
- Message 1 Wed Jun 19, 1991
- H.HERMAN1 at 02:28 EDT
-
- What a pleasant surprise I just had!
-
- I began to notice, after 5 years of hard use, and yes, some abuse (sigh),
- that my 128's keyboard no longer had the crisp tactile feel I remembered
- it having when it was fresh out of the box.
-
- It has had a lot (couldn't even begin to venture a quess) keypresses over
- the years. And, yes, some were done in frustration, when a Basic or dBASE
- routine didn't do what it was supposed to... But, I digress.
-
- It was time for the 128 to get an implant of a new keyboard. I called the
- Commodore Customer Service number, 1-800-448-9987. The call was answered
- at the first ring, by a friendly, AND knowledgeable gent.
-
- I was informed that Commodore sells parts only to dealers. However, I
- could get a replacement keyboard from one of their dealers, and was
- referred to Kasara, at 1-800-248-2983. Another call, also quickly
- answered, and I was told, yes 128 keyboards are in stock. Since there is
- no rush on getting it, we agreed regular 2-day UPS shipment would be just
- fine.
-
- So, now when I have to power down the RAMLink (it's getting another 2 Meg
- implant), the 128 will get a new keyboard at the same time.
-
- Commodore has another dedicated toll free number for getting the names of
- local dealers. That number is 1-800-662-6442.
-
- It's nice to be able to say a few kind words about Commodore. :)
-
- Howie
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- Message 2 Wed Jun 19, 1991
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 03:00 EDT
-
- Yep, it sure is :D
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- Message 3 Tue Jul 02, 1991
- H.HERMAN1 at 17:27 EDT
-
- What I thought would be simple and easy... Well, I don't have to tell ya,
- BUT I will...
-
- Here's what's happened so far in my good intentioned effort to replace an
- aging, but otherwise okey 128 keyboard:
-
- [1] Kasara shipped me a USED keyboard full of gunk and hairs under the keys.
- Probably the same as the one I am typing on now, altho I don't know for
- sure. Haven't taken a look at mine in maybe 5 years.
-
- Since I paid for a new keyboard assembly a call to Kasara got an apology,
- request to return it, and a promise that a new one would be shipped for
- certain, this time around.
-
- [2] I paid for the return shipment, but since it is such a small matter, I
- won't bother mentioning it here. That said, I got a brand new keyboard
- assembly the second time around. Prob is this new one isn't the same as
- the one in the 128, nor the used one they sent me earlier. They are both
- Part No. 250779-01, and this new one is Part No. 310401-01, and worse, the
- keys are different. Those graphics that are normally discretely on the side
- of each key, are right there on the top, along with the key's letter. While
- I'm not a hunt and peck typist, I do glance down at the keys every now and
- then for assurance that the fingers are where they are supposed to be, and
- this new keyboard with all its graphics, and alpha/numerics staring right at
- your eyeballs appears to be designed for the sole purpose of befuddling the
- brain.
-
- Kasara says that this is the only replacement that Commodore is now
- shipping, so I can take it, or return it for a refund, again at my expense,
- but since this is such a small matter, I won't bother you all and mention it
- here.
-
- So, is this the best I can do?
-
- Has it come down to a choice of living with my aging, and a bit sluggish,
- but otherwise okey keyboard, OR going for this new razzle dazzle keyboard
- that was designed by some engineer with a sadistic streak, bent on creating
- mental dysfunction among 128 users.
-
- What should I do. :/
-
- Howie
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- Message 4 Tue Jul 02, 1991
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 18:17 EDT
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- Are you using a "flat" C128 or a C128D?
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- Message 5 Tue Jul 02, 1991
- H.HERMAN1 at 22:05 EDT
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- The flat C128, of course. :)
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- Message 6 Wed Jul 03, 1991
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 03:16 EDT
-
- Those keyboards almost sound like a C128D, though I can't say for sure
- since all I have at the moment are flat C128s :)
- I don't believe you mentioned the price of the keyboard but I would say
- return it for your money and look somewhere else. I should have my
- catalog+dealer price list from Grapevine soon and there may be
- other ways around the mushy feel. I know the 6 year old C128 I am using
- now (the one that gets the water and soap treatment ;-) has a bit of a
- mushy feel but any of the keys that have gotten too "mushy" or wont
- come up properly have been repaired by replacing the springs with springs
- from C16 keyboards (thank you Radio Shack). You have to cut a few turns
- off and they are a bit springer and sit a tiny bit higher but I like it :)
- Especially nice on those frequently used keys (space, return, F-Keys).
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- Message 7 Wed Jul 03, 1991
- K.PHELAN1 [Ken] at 19:13 EDT
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- Nope...they aren't 128D keyboards. The 128D keyboards have the extra
- characters written on the front of the key in a medium gray shade with very
- small imprints. The face of the keys are left for the main character set.
- They even have little nibs on the 'J' and 'F' keys so that your fingers can
- easily find their way home. Even the '5' key on the keypad has the little
- nib. All in all, a nice little keyboard. So there ya go, Howie...forget about
- gettinganother keyboard. Simply buy a 128D! ;)
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- Message 8 Wed Jul 03, 1991
- H.HERMAN1 at 22:56 EDT
-
- The 128D keyboard sounds a lot like the flat 128 keyboard. Even the nibs
- on 'J' and 'F'. However, I don't have a nib on my '5'. :(
-
- Actually my present keyboard works fine. No stuck keys, no broken
- springs, etc. However, it lacks the â””liveliness' that a new keyboard
- would have. And, after 5 years, this is no surprise.
-
- I didn't think a replacement would be such a big deal. And it wouldn't
- have been if Kasara was smart enough (and had the courtesy) not to ship
- substitute parts for the one ordered.
-
- I'll probably return this last shipment, and get back my $79.
-
- This really shouldn't be a big thing. I'll have to find another source.
- Or, maybe I'll do what you're suggesting, Ken, and get a new 128D. This
- does sound nice, and I'd be right at home with the keys. :)
-
- Howie
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- Message 9 Wed Jul 03, 1991
- R.KNOP1 [Rob Knop] at 21:18 PDT
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- Is there any sort of "Parts Clearinghouse" anywhere where you can get good
- pieces from dead 128's? Surely there must be keyboards out there which are in
- good condition, hardly used on 128's whose chips somehow got fried to hell.
- $79 just sounds steep for a new keyboard!
-
- -Rob Knop
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- Message 10 Thu Jul 04, 1991
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 01:49 EDT
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- my flat C128 has a nub on #5 (keypad) too. For $79 you are almost at the
- purchase price of a stripped flat 128. I am seeing C128Ds for $220 used
- which isn't too bad. Lots of bang for the buck!
- I want a new C128D myself:)
-
- Rob, No parts clearing house that I know about, you are better off
- shopping the classifieds in your area or here online and buying a used or
- one with a bad power supply etc.
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- Message 11 Thu Jul 04, 1991
- AMFORD at 19:03 CDT
-
- Only parts clearing house I know of is a Color 64 sysop user group in the
- Chicago area. They take donations of equipment and filter it back out to the
- needy of repair in the group.
- Excellant demonstration of a reason to belong to user groups.
-
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- Message 12 Sat Jul 06, 1991
- H.HERMAN1 at 07:57 EDT
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- A Parts Clearinghouse is a great idea, and also having the user's group do
- this for its members.
-
- I've only joined one group, a local FOG. We have several 128 users, and
- if I remember right our treasury was overflowing (well, at least there was
- no more red ink) last time I heard.
-
- I'll have to suggest that we buy a 128 for parts when we have our next
- meeting, which will be this Tuesday. It should be a win/win situation for
- the group, since I'll buy the keyboard, if it's in sparkling condition.
-
- ANYONE happen to have an extra 128 lying around, that was only used by a
- Grandmother on Sundays for a drive around the block? :)
-
- Howie
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- Message 13 Sat Jul 06, 1991
- H.HERMAN1 at 16:43 EDT
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- I got it! I've got a nib on my '5' key. I found it. :)
-
- *NOW* I know you said it was on the keypad, but I was looking at the other
- '5' key, instead. The one that also does the '%'.
-
- I checked very carefully this time, and think I have them all. Atotal of
- 3 nibs.
-
- That keyboard replacement Kasara sent me had no nibs. It gets sent back.
-
- Howie
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- Message 14 Sat Jul 06, 1991
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 17:17 EDT
-
- Yes, its better to buy a used C128 that is in good shape and use it for
- parts if you have to. Considering CIAs are $14 each (c128 has two) and
- the SID and roms are in sockets just by parting the chips out at 1/2 cost
- will be worth it. You can also use it as a "floater" and someone in the
- group can upgrade it with sockets for people that don't have 64K for
- their VDC (assuming the C128 works).
- $79 is very close to the cost of a stripped C128 and I think you made
- the right choice returning it.
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- Message 15 Sat May 09, 1992
- CBM-ED [e.g.bell] at 13:26 EDT
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- I *know* this topic is old, but I also see you all seem to perhaps missed the
- easiest way to breathe life back into the kyboard. I know cuz I did it on
- mine several times... take the c128 apart, removing the keyboard. You can
- either pop the 3 locking keys out the front or desolder 6 connections, remove
- about 50 tiny phillips head screws, and then
-
- wipe the pc board off w/alcohol and let it dry. Take the part with the keys
- to your kitcen sink and use warm soapy water and a brush, and scrub it well,
- making sure to press all keys and wipe well the bottom contact legs made of an
- impregnated rubber of some type. Let it dry overnight. Put it on your
- furnace duct, like I did (windter), or run a hair dryer on it for awhile
- first to get rid of excess mositure. I have seen some concerned about rusted
- springs, but I have had no trouble, and my keyboard works like a dream. And
- anyway, if you are already ready to replace it for $60-$80, whatcha got to
- lose?
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- Message 16 Sat May 09, 1992
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 18:25 EDT
-
- Yep, my flat C-128s even get need springs now and again after a spring
- cleaning.
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- Message 17 Sun May 31, 1992
- P.CATCHPOLE [Mike] at 14:38 EDT
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- My 128 keyboard is TOTALLY dead. It's out at the shop getting a new one... and
- the drive is getting cleaned & aligned.
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- Message 18 Fri Sep 04, 1992
- HOWIE-CBM at 02:35 EDT
-
- YLR,
-
- I just ordered two 128D keyboards from Softwre Hut.
-
- Glad I did it now, since they had to check their stock to make sure they
- still had them.
-
- Thanks!!!!!!!
-
- Howie
-
- P.S. This isn't quite where you told us about them. Hope you don't
- mind! :)
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- Message 19 Fri Sep 04, 1992
- YLR.ROSE [* Mistress *] at 21:15 EDT
-
- Nopers, Howie.. dont mind at all... glad ya called em.. I dont think
- you'll be sorry.. two keyboards with shipping is 45 bucks.. cant beat
- that deal!!! I love my new one that I am using.. especially since
- the graphic characters are on TOP of the keys in black.. sure makes em
- a heck of a lot easier to see! >:D
- HUGS
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