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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:04:40 +0100 (MET)
From: Soeren Larsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) ZTT dream compilation [Switzerland]

> I actually kinda went down this road once or twice before.  I came up
> with several initial track listings for 808 State's State To State
> compilation when it was initially slated... At the very beginning I had
> it as a half 808 and half rare other ZTT stuff (S/O/R's Happy Feelings
> and Switzerland were two I can remember including)...

Actually the ZTT Switzerland EP is pretty weak. Strange combinations of
beats and samples and it's very rough sounding. I wouldn't suggest this on
a CD reissue.

If anyone like it I could easily make some MP3 samples of the disc and you
could decide for yourself.

The Switzerland 2 EP on the other hand is superb. Great synth sound and
nice long tracks.


My dream compiletion is intitled: ZTT Rare! And it's all Island-era rare
promo stuff with the great TCH/ZTT sound. AON/FGTH/Jones/Act/Prop


l8r



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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:29:51 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Hendrikse, Marco)
Subject: (ztt) fwd: [bong] New Martin Gore Track

From the Depeche Mode mailing list:

> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:02:23 +0100
> From: [e-mail] (Michael Kraft)
> Subject: [bong] New Martin Gore Track
>=20
> Hi Bongsters !
>=20
> I found this on the PROPAGANDA ( famous 80=B4s german Wave-Band )-
> Newspage:
>=20
> NEWS from contributor, Karl Hirschberger: Michael,
> Susanne and Claudia have recorded 3 tracks for
> the new album. Propaganda has no label contract
> and so the release is planned for Summer 98. One
> new track on the album is written by Martin L. Gore
> (Depeche Mode).


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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:40:23 -0500
From: Dean Harris <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Propaganda I and II

I recently picked up a copy of the Propaganda 1234 cd and was struck by a
couple of things:

1.  The sound so completely differes from the previous album, even though
three of the four members are from the original line-up.   I don't mean
just that Betsi's voice differs, but the whole sound; and

2. There is a note in the booklet that reads: "To Susanne Freytag: we miss
you," but there is no mention of Claudia, who, to my Claudia-loving ears,
was mostly responsible for the vocal quality of the first Propaganda album.

So I'm curious.  Was there any animosity or anything between Claudia and
the other members of the band?  AND when the "1234" album was released,
what was the word from the band about the severe difference in sound?

X0X0,
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:29:01 -0800 (PST)
From: [e-mail] (James Dawson)
Subject: (ztt) Anne Pigalle, Etc.

"Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>IQ7 is Everything Could Be So Perfect by Anne Pigalle.  I've got the '94 UK CD
>and the first Japanese issue, but don't know about a UK CD coming out around
>the same time as the LP/CS . . .

I probably have the same two incarnations (ZTT Polystar Japan PSCD 1178 and
ZTT/Warners 4509-94750-2; the latter says it was made in Germany). Was there
ever a version that actually had the catalog number ZCIDQ7, which was in
parentheses on the Japanese incarnation?

The difference between the two versions, if anyone is unaware, is that the
Japanese edition includes the bonus track "Like We Do."

Pigalle would be another of my "wish list" ZTT CD compilation artists. I
would love to get her 12" mixes on CD. (My vinyl 12" of "He Stranger" was
bought second-hand and sounds like hell...)

On another note: I and a few other list subscribers keep tossing out the
question "Who at ZTT should receive our pleas for more back-catalog to be
released on CD?" -- but I haven't seen an answer. Is there anyone at ZTT who
might actually read letters from label fans (as opposed to tossing them in
the trash)? Does anyone know if sending a letter would be simply a waste of
time -- or, if not, if there is a person in charge of "public relations" of
this sort?

- --James Dawson
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:33:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Daly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Anne Pigalle, Etc. (fwd)

>On another note: I and a few other list subscribers keep tossing out the
>question "Who at ZTT should receive our pleas for more back-catalog to be
>released on CD?" -- but I haven't seen an answer. Is there anyone at ZTT
>whomight actually read letters from label fans (as opposed to tossing them in
>the trash)? Does anyone know if sending a letter would be simply a waste
>oftime -- or, if not, if there is a person in charge of "public relations" of
>this sort?
>
>--James Dawson
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I think the real question is: Does Trevor Horn even care?



Patrick



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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:32:31 -0700 (MST)
From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Propaganda I and II

> I recently picked up a copy of the Propaganda 1234 cd and was struck by a
> couple of things:
>
> 1.  The sound so completely differes from the previous album, even though
> three of the four members are from the original line-up.

The only *real* original member of Propaganda who is also a *real* member on
1234 is Mertens -- hence the radically different sound.  Susanne's guest vox
and Doerper's lyrics aren't enough to really assure any continuity from the
original lineup.

The "new sound" makes much more sense if you take into account that a) two of
the new members are ex-Simple Minds and b) it was produced by Ian Stanley and
Chris Hughes of Tears For Fears fame.  Hence a more directly pop-oriented,
more British-sounding product.

> So I'm curious.  Was there any animosity or anything between Claudia and
> the other members of the band?

I thought she was the one who broke up the original lineup, wasn't she?

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:33:17 +0100
From: Andy Robinson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Anne Pigalle, Etc. (fwd)

Patrick Daly wrote:
> I think the real question is: Does Trevor Horn even care?

I get the impression he lets Jill Sinclair handle the business side - he
just makes the music sound good. At this stage we don't really know who
got the ZTT back catalogue in the Warner split - maybe it's Warner who
are sitting on the master tapes.

- - andy R.


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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:08:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Daly <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Anne Pigalle, Etc. (fwd)

On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Andy Robinson wrote:

> Patrick Daly wrote:
> > I think the real question is: Does Trevor Horn even care?
>
> I get the impression he lets Jill Sinclair handle the business side - he
> just makes the music sound good. At this stage we don't really know who
> got the ZTT back catalogue in the Warner split - maybe it's Warner who
> are sitting on the master tapes.
>

Crap, that's right.  If Warner got the tapes that stuff will never be
heard from again.


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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:10:49 -0700 (MST)
From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Anne Pigalle, Etc.

> On another note: I and a few other list subscribers keep tossing out the
> question "Who at ZTT should receive our pleas for more back-catalog to be
> released on CD?" -- but I haven't seen an answer.

I've traded a little mail with someone at the label who may be the right
person for this kind of thing.  If it works out, I'll be happy to forward
comments, or let everyone know how to contact him, whichever he thinks is more
appropriate.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 17:02:38 -0500
From: artisan2 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Stuff ZTT should release on CD - NOW!!!

>> dialog to AON's "Love Beat" between Anne and (I think) Trevor is
>> left intact. This as much opposed to the "daft" compilation where it
>
>Isn't it Anne and JJ ??

  I don't think it was J.J. but it could have been. Maybe it was Gary or
Paul.?.. I still want to know what that what that typewriter ker-chunk
noise was.

Scott,

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 16:40:37 -0500
From: artisan2 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Artosilence question was ZTTaholics--

>>>> Anyone a fan of Artofsilence? <<<
>
>Yeah - but only because it's JJJeczalik. The CD is good though - haven't
>seen any singles in Tower Records yet. "Messenger Of Heaven" is without
>doubt the most awesome song. I have no info on the remixes.

  Bob Kraushaar is also a member. His name appears on "In.No.Sense?
Nonsense!" for certain mixing credits. I even noticed the presence of
Paul Robinson (drums) & Dave Bronze (bass) -whom appeared on the "In
Visible Silence" tour- on track 9: "Some Other Dream".
  As far as singles go "West 4" was released about a month & a half
before the LP. There have been 1 or 2 subsequent remix singles since.
J.J. was even offering to release remixes done by fans. If you got a
first batch copy of the LP it was accompanied by a 3.5 floppy with an
effects program and -I think- components of the track "West 4" to make
your remixing endeavors easier. Really, pretty cool I thought. He even
has his personal E-Mail address on the disk. I, unfortunately, didn't get
a computer until this past November, fully a year too late.
  Since then, J.J. has been running into some business troubles, it
seems. He lost his website (IRQ?) and any works have become harder to
find. There is a single called "Teach Me" that came out this past spring
or summer. Problem is I can't get my hands on the damn thing. I have
begun to wonder if there has been an album to coincide with the single,
but I just don't know. In this case silence is NOT golden.

  As a matter of personal opinion, I greatly preffer J.J.'s solo work
over Anne's (I am not including her film scores as that would be an
unfair comparison). Of course, I'm a sucker for any song with a Farlight
CMI in it. And that's J.J.'s axe not hers.


C ya 'round,
       Scott

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:55:27 +0100
From: "Henrik Lundstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Propaganda I and II

> > 1.  The sound so completely differes from the previous album, even tho=
ugh
> > three of the four members are from the original line-up.
>
> The only *real* original member of Propaganda who is also a *real* membe=
r on
> 1234 is Mertens -- hence the radically different sound.  Susanne's guest=
 vox
> and Doerper's lyrics aren't enough to really assure any continuity from =
the
> original lineup.

On the other hand, Mertens did much of the programming ASW - D=F6rper
was mor into the lyrics thing.

> The "new sound" makes much more sense if you take into account that a) t=
wo of
> the new members are ex-Simple Minds and b) it was produced by Ian Stanle=
y and
> Chris Hughes of Tears For Fears fame.  Hence a more directly pop-oriente=
d,
> more British-sounding product.

I think it sounds more american than ASW, not exactly more British.


> I thought she was the one who broke up the original lineup, wasn't she?

As far as I know, she left the band in '86 - they didn't exactly like
her choice of husband and, as Mertens one said, Claudia and the rest
of the group had grown apart. I was VERY surprised when Mertens and
Br=FCcken teamed up for the Brain single.

I've got lots of interviews back home - I'll try to find them!

h


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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:29:56 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jeff A Hamilton)
Subject: (ztt) The AoS diskette

I got the first copy of AoS.co.uk that I could find in THIS country -
about four months after its release date and with a $40 price tag. It
came with the diskette, which is a Mac disk so I can make no use of it.
He mentioned on his website were to go to get a comparable piece of PC
software but I downloaded it (I think it was called Noise Master 1.0 or
something like that) and it keep crashing and failing, etc.

I'm not willing to give away the disk, of course, but (maybe this is
illegal, maybe it's not, who cares - wasn't the stuff available for free
download on his site?) I will copy it for any AoSer who wants it. Just a
quick stop at Kinko's (to use a Mac) and we're all in business.

>>> As a matter of personal opinion, I greatly preffer J.J.'s solo work
over Anne's (I am not including her film scores as that would be an
unfair comparison). Of course, I'm a sucker for any song with a Farlight
CMI in it. And that's J.J.'s axe not hers. <<<

Well, I like 'em both pretty much. I just wish JJ would put out more
stuff! (I've got a good deal of Anne Dudley releases on hand
already...and ONE jj release (AoS).




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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:26:20 +0000 (GMT)
From: Martin Poulter <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Propaganda I and II

> So I'm curious.  Was there any animosity or anything between Claudia and
> the other members of the band?

It seems that there were. I remember Michael Mertens saying in an
interview that they made the choice of a new singer very carefully and her
personality was important, because "we had personality problems with our
previous singer".

I think the new sound of 1234 (a lot of it a bit "adult" for my taste) may
be at least partly due to the Hughes/Stanley production team being very
involved musically. They have co-writing credits on some of the tracks,
don't they (I haven't looked at that inlay in a while)?

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:32:55 +0100
From: Andy Robinson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Stuff ZTT should release on CD - NOW!!!

artisan2 wrote:
> I don't think it was J.J. but it could have been. Maybe it was
> Gary or Paul.?..

Sounds like Paul Morley and Anne Dudley to me - compare Paul's voice on
the Value of Entertainment video...

> I still want to know what that what that typewriter ker-chunk noise
> was.

Well, when AoN played live on the Radio, exactly this sound happened
when they sampled the DJ in the interview for later use, so I guess it's
made by the Fairlight... Incidentally the sampled phrase was "Cabaret
Time", which became the title of the demo song on the JJJ sample CD.

- - andy R.


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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:33:25 +0100
From: Andy Robinson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) JJJ solo information

artisan2 wrote:
> As a matter of personal opinion, I greatly preffer J.J.'s solo
> work over Anne's (I am not including her film scores as that would
> be an unfair comparison). Of course, I'm a sucker for any song with
> a Farlight CMI in it...

According to an interview with JJJ in "Sound on Sound" when the album
came out, he had sold his series III Fairlight by then - he uses Akais
now!

Technically, AoS.co.uk is his second album, because a collection of his
trademark sounds was released on CD in 1992 for sampler owners to use in
their tracks...

It's called "jj jeczalik's art of sampling" (subtitled HitSound Producer
Series Volume 8) Catalogue No. HITCD12, but because you are licenced to
sample it, its pricey - I paid 50 pounds for mine, but I believe it's
still in stock at source (let me know if any of you want me to post
details).

There are 61 tracks (!), the first of which is a demo song "Cabaret
Time" which is made entirely from some of the samples on the rest of the
CD, (produced by Lee Groves)

The complete track list fills 6 pages of the inlay booklet, so I shall
just give you a little taster (unless some of the hardcore discographers
out there really want it in full - mail me privately)...

Tracks 28 & 29 are titled "Misc. Percussion"
(Track 28 consists of 18 samples, described as)
Metal Srcape 1-2
Chick Chock Shake
Triangulong
Triangushort
Deep Triange Long/Short
Windchimes 1-2
Bell 1-2
Shake my little Bells
Castanets
Ambient Clap 1-2
Clave 1-2
Ambient Clap Percussion

...and so on, and on, and on...

Many AoNish classic sounds are there, and it's fun to spot where he used
them / found them - Fairlight aahs, "Tom Jones Fly" from Kiss, "Unedited
Drum Fill" from the intro of Owner of a Lonely Heart, "Holly Hooowah"
lifted from Relax, etc., and the packaging has lots of photos of JJJ
with the AoN Masks, (and the Mona Lisa wearing one on the front), and a
very silly track sheet for "Peter Gunn" is in the booklet too (Track 14
of the master tape is aparrently used for Drum Fills, Juggler and Mime
Artist, Track 9 is "Aled+Choir, Clave, Table Tennis).

- - andy R.


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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 00:34:44 GMT
From: Dave Felstead <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Claudia

listening and reading some of the posts recently about Claudia i
remember sitting with her after the Act gig in Nottingham where she
spoke about her forthcoming solo album which surfaced as love and a
million some time later. She told me she had sent ideas lyrics etc.
to various people she wanted to work with these included David
Sylvian (what a track that would have been!) and Prince!

  The Act gig was odd.. Morley was there and the audience numbered
about 100,  50p to get in. I thought i`d got there late and rushed in
 during the soundcheck where i was able to stand alone whilst Claudia
belted out "i can`t escape ". During the gig when she did "heaven
knows i`m miserable now" she handed out white roses to lucky people
from the stage. I do remember they were much better live than the way
the songs emerged on the record. They started with Bloodrush and
ended with "nights of germany". I went to the gig the next night in
London which was better and full and managed to tape it but it was
poor quality and i can not find it.

            best wishes

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:50:27 +0000
From: Ian Peel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) ztt advertisments

Hmmm...  The UK CD of The Beating Of Wings (from the first time around -
the mid-eighties) is CID 127, which I guess marks it down as from part
of a Island Records UK set of early CD album releases...?

In message <[e-mail]>, Lazlo Nibble
<[e-mail]> writes
>> I'm losing track of things here a bit, but if we are talking about
>> Andrew Poppy's The Beating Of Wings, then yes there was a standard UK CD
>> (I have it!)...  I think it came out a little after the LP and CS (no
>> more than 18 months).
>
>IQ7 is Everything Could Be So Perfect by Anne Pigalle.  I've got the '94 UK CD
>and the first Japanese issue, but don't know about a UK CD coming out around
>the same time as the LP/CS . . .
>

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:41:08 +0000
From: Ian Peel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Stuff ZTT should release on CD - NOW!!!

>Well, when AoN played live on the Radio, exactly this sound happened
>when they sampled the DJ in the interview for later use, so I guess it's
>made by the Fairlight... Incidentally the sampled phrase was "Cabaret
>Time", which became the title of the demo song on the JJJ sample CD.

Wasn't there also a very prominent "Cabaret Time" vocal stab in one of
the many Fairlight-heavy Scritti Politti B-sides from Cupid & Psyche?
Just a co-incidence?

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:52:40 +0100 (MET)
From: Soeren Larsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Retro8

hi

I found this on the UK-dance ML:

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:05:04 +0000 (GMT)
From: "matthew k. hunter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: 808 State

Has anyone heard the shocking Jungle remix of 808 State's 'Pacific
202'. I may not be as old skool as some folk on this list but I still
think it's a total rip-off of a classic tune which you just shouldn't
do. I think putting a crap breakbeat on such a masterpiece and
re-releasing it is just not on. At least when the Fugee's and
Blackstreet got their tunes ripped the people who did them made a
little effort.
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Questions:

1 Has anyone heard this?

2 Is it a booty or at least Pacific samples on some others record?

3 Or is it the claimed new mixes for the 808 compilation?


Comment:

I don't like the reissue/remix of vintage 808 State. Please don't look
like a money-machine lads.


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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:19:28 +0000
From: Ian Peel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) ZTT dream compilation [Switzerland]

>Actually the ZTT Switzerland EP is pretty weak. Strange combinations of
>beats and samples and it's very rough sounding. I wouldn't suggest this on
>a CD reissue.
>
>If anyone like it I could easily make some MP3 samples of the disc and you
>could decide for yourself.

That sounds like a good idea to me!

>The Switzerland 2 EP on the other hand is superb. Great synth sound and
>nice long tracks.

That's not on ZTT, is it?
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:32:46 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (ztt) Another .02 on the "Dream Compilation"  PLEASE READ

Let's allow our willing suspension of disbelief to include the possibility
that ZTT has an interest in creating a CD format box set.  I know it's a
stretch, but go there for just a moment.  The first thing they (ZTT execs,
marketing people, distributors, engineers, etc.) are going to focus on has got
to be purpose.  Is this box set going to consist of product which tells "The
Entire Story From Beginning to End"?  Or is it going to be a "Fill In the
Blanks" release of all ZTT product not already available in the CD format?

In the case of the former, the all-inclusive track listing clearly reaches
prohibitive proportions.  To include all tracks, all versions and the "in
studio conversation" snipplets many of us are including on our own wish lists
would involve a multi-multi disc, DVD format box set which (if purchased by
everyone in Madonna's worldwide built in audience) would barely allow them to
break even on the production costs.  Not only that, but the intended market
for such a product would drop members in exponential quantities as soon as it
was realized that what they're being asked to pay for is a lot of esoterica
they have no interest in owning.  Personally, I would disagree with those who
would argue against the value of owning such product, though it must be
admitted that the presence of their arguement would translate to a decision
not to buy -- which would impact ZTT decisions to include it. (At 74:00 min
per CD, four or five CD's alone could be filled with the versions of the FGTH
"Relax" piece.)

With that in mind, the logical alternative seems to be a focus on filling in
the blanks created by product that has not yet (will never?) be commercially
available in the CD format.  Here again, you're still looking at bumping
multiple versions of quite a few songs up to the CD format; a body of work
major-market audiences have historically poo-poo -ed at the cash register.  I
can see where songs like "P-Machinery" (which has a 9:00min, 11:00min and a
03:00min mix on the original 12" -- none of which [please! correct me if I'm
wrong!!!] ever made it to commercial CD) would have to fall under an axe where
inclusion decisions are concerned.  In this case, I think we're all in
agreement: "Whatever you do, DON'T include the 03:00min mix and move onto the
next decision."

Moving forward.  If there ever is to be some kind of a ZTT box set made, ZTT
has at their disposal a solid group of individuals who are both accessible to
them and are truly dedicated "fans" -- of their ENTIRE body of work.  The
decisions of what to include could definitely be made intelligently by polling
that group of people.  (By the way, that group of people is US!)

So this mythical CD comes out.  Obviously we (and quite a few others around
the world who aren't blessed with lifestyles that incluide home computers) buy
it.  And so do other music fans; and computer owners who don't dabble in
UseNet, discussion groups or email; and collectors, etc.  For the most part,
we're happy.  But still there is a substantial selection of surplus product
that didn't make it to the release version of the box set.  My question
involves *that* subset of product.

Do you suppose we could get permission to distribute those cuts amongst
ourselves on CD?  I mean, the ZTT people are artists first, then
entrepreneurs.  We understand they have limited bank accounts and we also
understand the marketing decisions which would prohibit them from re-
distributing these cuts on CD.  If we were to burn a few CD masters and sell
off copies (at cost -- or even at a small profit which would enthusiastically
include them in a generous percentage) would this be possible?  Knowing that
this is something they wouldn't do themselves, and understanding that the
distribution channels would be limited to their true fans, I don't see why
they would have a problem allowing us to do this.  It's not like we would be
cutting into profits they would otherwise be entitled to or otherwise be
making themselves, right?

I have a CD burner and most of the product I've seen tossed around in the
"wish list" discussion thread.  For the record, I'd be willing to look into
such a project, but it would have to be with ZTT's permission and hopefully
with their blessing.  I am ultimately respectful of them and the LAST thing I
could sleep with at night would be thoughts of knowing that those I admire
have a bad taste in their mouth about me.

Waddya think, group??  Is it worth pursuing?  Or is there something I'm
missing here?  Please respond on-line (to the group) because I need group
concensus to consider this any further. . . And I *am* considering it!! (also
for the record -- so to speak.)

Sam French



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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:44:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Yasuda <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Another .02 on the "Dream Compilation"  PLEASE READ

Sam and other members of the group:

    I for one would support you in your attempts to put out a ZTT
collector's CD.    I realize it's easy for me to sit here and type this
because I know that none of the work and responsibility would
ultimately be mine.  I've been collecting any and all ZTT material I
could get my hands on for years and would be one of the first to step
up to the cash register if any compilation of rarities came up.

Personally, I hope your suggestion gets lots of favorable responses.

Cheers,

Ken
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:50:53 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jeff A Hamilton)
Subject: Re: (ztt) Another .02 on the "Dream Compilation"  PLEASE READ

Not gonna re-post the original post or any portion thereof 'cause I'm
sure everyone read it... Simple response though - I'm all for it
(suggested an "internal release - just among ourselves). As far as ZTT
releases go - how about a box set with many (not necessarily all) of the
tracks not available on CD. Perhaps it could even be pared down to
include no more than two versions of any given song, that way there
wouldn't be TOO many discs and of course, the retail price would be
lower.

I don't remember if WaxTrax's "Black Box" anniversary set sold all that
well, but it was well promoted, and even though I didn't listen to any
WaxTrax artists other than KMFDM, I still shelled out $45 for the three
CD set.


Jeff Hamilton, the Capitalist
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United Bloody States of America
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:22:32 -0800
From: "Mark Wasiel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) The Art Of Noise Credit Card!

Here's a strange web site for you Art of Noise fans.

http://www.artofnoise.com

Make sure to pick up your Art Of Noise credit card! ;)

Mark W

p.s. How can they copyright this name??



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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:22:32 -0800
From: "Mark Wasiel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) The Art Of Noise Credit Card!

Here's a strange web site for you Art of Noise fans.

http://www.artofnoise.com

Make sure to pick up your Art Of Noise credit card! ;)

Mark W

p.s. How can they copyright this name??



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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:06:55 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jeff A Hamilton)
Subject: (ztt) [e-mail]

(This happened before sending mail to John - I should've remembered)

John: Am I the only one who uses a Mac?  I'd love to have a copy of this
to check it out as I have never heard any AoS stuff.  Is it possible that
you can attach that Mac file to your e-Mail?

Jeff: I have no Mac (and I currently have no net access - hence the free
e-mail
service (to which I can attach no files)). When I go to Kinko's to use a
Mac, I will copy the diskette and mail you a copy, if you like.

(My mail to you keeps getting bounced, so I have to do this through the
list)

Jeff

P.S. Who was the other person - the one who wanted to put it on their web
site? I can mail you a diskette too.



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