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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:18:12 +0100
From: Andy Robinson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Snapshot vs. Momento

Jeff A Hamilton wrote:
> I think I said it before - and Lazlo just said it earlier today -
> "Memento" is being mistaken for "Snapshot", which is a minute long
> on the American "Afraid" album and two and a half minutes long on
> the British "Afraid" album.

Yes, my mistake over the title, sorry - but I can add that the Norwegian
Vinyl "Afraid" LP (with a different sleeve to any others AFAIK) has the
short version too.

> "Momento" is the same on "daft" as it is  on "Afraid" (even though
> the listed times differ by two seconds, right?).

Well, I haven't played them back to back, but there is no *obvious*
difference :-)

- - andy R.


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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:18:32 +0100
From: Andy Robinson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Help...

lucid wrote:
> ...I was wondering if anyone could  give me some info on the band
> Instinct that was on ZTT (well... I have 1 song).

Well they had more songs written, anyway - their set at the gig that
became the Value if Entertainment video was about 40 minutes long on the
night that I went.

> 1 more thing... old Propaganda CD singles (I have the albums).

Afaik there were only 2 CD singles from the ZTT era by Propaganda, both
available on Japanese Mini-CDs only - Dr Mabuse (which I have), and
P-Machinery (which I wish I had!). Check the discography for more info
though, its URL is in this footer...


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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:53:15 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jeff A Hamilton)
Subject: (ztt) Afraid cover illustrations

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:18:12 +0100 Andy Robinson writes:
>>> ...but I can add that the Norwegian Vinyl "Afraid" LP (with a
different sleeve to any others AFAIK) has the short version too. <<<

Is that Norweigan cover different from the German one or is it a FOURTH
cover? If so, I have to have it!....


JH


BTW I have all the AON vinyl except "Afraid" - why is it so hard to get a
hold of? Does anyone have a vinyl copy (doesn't matter what country -
though I prefer the British "velvet" illustration) to sell? ("Into
Battle", on the other hand is incredibly easy to find...).

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:01:52 -0800 (PST)
From: [e-mail] (James Dawson)
Subject: (ztt) Entertainment Weekly Articles

[e-mail] wrote:
>(snip) BTW, if anyone has an extra copy of either Laughter, Tears & Rage or
>Love and Million Other Things that they're willing to sell, please let
>me know.  My copies have actually started to skip because I've played
>them so much.

I don't think this is possible. The aluminum in the CDs may be
deteriorating, causing skips or other playing problems, but simply playing a
CD does not cause any "wear." (In other words, a poorly made CD would start
deteriorating over time no matter how many times it was played.)

On another note:

The January 30, 1998 issue of "Entertainment Weekly" contains two articles
on Frankie Goes to Hollywood in their "Encore" section (the page opposite
the inside back cover). This section is one of those "flashback" kind of
features that remembers stories from years past. The first article, with a
photo of FGTH in front of the Hollywood sign, is headlined "Frankie Say
'Relax': The flamboyant English band comes to the U.S. with an overtly
sexual dance tune in 1985." After a brief summary of FGTH's rise and fall,
the article ends with a paragraph about how Holly left the band in 1987 and
the remaining members split up a year later. (Which raises the question: Did
the rest of FGTH ever release anything as "The Lads," which was rumored to
be a possibility at the time?)

The sidebar article is "Whatever Happened to Holly Johnson." It begins by
saying that rumors of Holly's death are greatly exaggerated, and that his
publicist actually issued a press release in 1995 stating that Holly was
still alive. The article says Holly has "returned to his first love,
painting" and quotes him as saying that his health "has improved 100
percent" thanks to new AIDS treatments. The article says he is working on
"an introspective solo album, 'Soulstream,' recording it in the studio at
the London home he shares with his manager and partner of 13 years, Wolfgang
Kuhle."

The issue has "Ally McBeal" star Calista Flockhart on the cover (in the
U.S., anyway). Both of the FGTH articles are short enough to be read at the
newsstand (for the cash-impaired among us). Enjoy!

- --James Dawson
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:24:42 +0100
From: Andy Robinson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Afraid cover illustrations

Jeff A Hamilton wrote:
> Is that Norweigan cover different from the German one or is it a
> FOURTH cover? If so, I have to have it!....

Well, its very similar to the UK cassette packaging... I don't know what
the german version is like, but I know it doesnt look like the UK
original or the 'badges on velvet' version.

Are there scans on the web I could compare it to?

- - andy R.


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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:27:50 +0200
From: "Boaz Halachmi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) ztt advertisments

> I love the old ZTT ads and I've scanned the one I have and put them up on
> my web page: http://www.pcmagic.net/markw

First of all, i enjoyed it - Great Stuff!
But...now i have some questions:
1. Mark - Why aren`t they in color?
2. Regarding the "ZTT Sampled" ad on this site:
    - Is the IQ6 picture is the sleeve you all know??? Because my Israeli
release have
      a completely different sleeve!!! The ad is the first time i see this
UK sleeve.
    - On the same ad there is also the AP IQ7. It is stated that it was
released
      on LP & CS only. But the discography have :"    CD: 1985 UK (??; ??)
".
      So - was there a CD also?
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:52:02 -0800
From: "Ian Ferrell (Exchange)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Holly & Claudia as artists...

A recent post reminded me that Holly and Claudia both dabble in the art
sphere, but after talking to a couple of my friends also in the art
world, they've never heard of either person and don't have a clue where
to start looking for items by Holly or Claudia.

Anyone on this list know which galleries carry Holly Johnson's and
Claudia Brucken's art? If they're not linked to a particular gallery,
any ideas where in Europe their pieces are for sale? Or, failing that,
anyone seen works by Claudia and Holly? (I think some of Claudia's work
is on her album covers; not sure...) As a lad who came of age listening
to these two performers, if their art isn't ghastly, I'd love to hang /
place a piece or two in my house.

Regards,
ian


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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:43:29 -0700 (MST)
From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) ztt advertisments

> 2. Regarding the "ZTT Sampled" ad on this site:
> - Is the IQ6 picture is the sleeve you all know??? Because my Israeli
> release have a completely different sleeve!!! The ad is the first time i
> see this UK sleeve.

The one on the ad (the angular design that might remind you of the ZTT logo if
you squint at it) is the standard UK cover.  I've never seen another one --
what's the Israeli cover look like?  Any chance of a scan?

> - On the same ad there is also the AP IQ7. It is stated that it was
> released on LP & CS only. But the discography have :"    CD: 1985 UK
> (??; ??) ".  So - was there a CD also?

There was -- at least in Japan, but I haven't seen any evidence of an actual
UK CD at the time.  Hence the question marks.

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:31:05 -0800
From: "Mark Wasiel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) ztt advertisments

>> I love the old ZTT ads and I've scanned the one I have and put them up on
>> my web page: http://www.pcmagic.net/markw
>
>First of all, i enjoyed it - Great Stuff!
>But...now i have some questions:
>1. Mark - Why aren`t they in color?


I should have mentioned that these ads were all taken from British UK music
magazines.  Specifically, I think they are all from "No. 1" and maybe one
from "Smash Hits".  I've posted them as they originally were in the magazine
so they are in black and white (with the exception of Rage Hard).  I wish
they were all in color!

Mark



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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:38:06 +0100
From: "Henrik Lundstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) ztt advertisments

> >> I love the old ZTT ads and I've scanned the one I have and put them up on
> >> my web page: http://www.pcmagic.net/markw
> >
> >First of all, i enjoyed it - Great Stuff!
> >But...now i have some questions:
> >1. Mark - Why aren`t they in color?
>
>
> I should have mentioned that these ads were all taken from British UK music
> magazines.  Specifically, I think they are all from "No. 1" and maybe one
> from "Smash Hits".  I've posted them as they originally were in the magazine
> so they are in black and white (with the exception of Rage Hard).  I wish
> they were all in color!

I've photocopied nearly all ZTT ads from Melody Maker and NME
1983-1987, but I haven't got a scanner so... I can't show them.

anyway, most of the singles were advertised one week in advance with
a small (one third of a whole page) ad, and then a full page ad the
following week. I really love these old ads -  when I try to explain
to someone why I love ztt, I show them my ztt ad collection.

h.


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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:00:50 -0800 (PST)
From: [e-mail] (jon masciana)
Subject: (ztt) ZTT aholics--here are some questions for you

Hi!

I have some ZTT questions for the rest of you ZTT aholics--

What does the Shep Pettibone remix of Moments In love sound like? Is it
easy to find on 7" or cd? What songs are on the Moments In love cd? Esprit
UK had one listed for sale--is it worth it?

I found the Act laughter Tears and Rage album for $1 and really like it,
anyone know where i can find the UK 12" singles? Or the Claudia solo album?
I take it they're worth getting...

Anyone a fan of Artofsilence? I like it a lot (Giant Above just kicks ass
straight out...) I hear that he released another single recently, but can't
find it anywhere, any one know of anybody selling it? Does the Axiomatic
label take orders? Also, were there any remixes of Giant Above? There's a
song I'd love to see remixed.

How is the Anne Dudley/Jaz Coleman cd?

And finally...I love the talk of getting ZTT to release something, how
about we do something about it instead of just talking about it? ;o) Does
anyone know anyone at the label, etc? Could we draft a form letter to send
to them?--I think someone over there might take us seriously if they knew
about this list...

Thanks in advance,

jon




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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:04:29 +0000
From: Ian Peel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) re: Plastic & Physical...

I think it might be time to close this off as a Morleyism.  I dont think
there's a finished album or set of demos anywhere with that title.  In
fact, I can't even remember where this rumour started....  I think it
might have been issued or stated by ZTT when Act split - that Claudia
would release P&P (on ZTT) and that Thomas Leer also had an album in the
pipeline for ZTT.  I know I picked up on it somewhere and mentioned the
two titles in when I wrote the ZTT features in Record Collector mag back
in 1988...

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:53:13 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jeff A Hamilton)
Subject: (ztt) Plastic & Physical...A "Morleyism"?

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:04:29 +0000 Ian Peel writes:

>>> I think it might be time to close this off as a Morleyism. <<<

Of all the former AoNites, Paul is the one I know the least about. So I'd
like to know what he did for his name to be synonymous with releases that
aren't released. Just curious!

Jeff

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:51:09 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jeff A Hamilton)
Subject: (ztt) ZTT aholics--here are some answers for you

On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:00:50 -0800 (PST) Jon Masciana writes:

>>> Anyone a fan of Artofsilence? <<<

Yeah - but only because it's JJJeczalik. The CD is good though - haven't
seen any singles in Tower Records yet. "Messenger Of Heaven" is without
doubt the most awesome song. I have no info on the remixes.

>>> How is the Anne Dudley/Jaz Coleman cd? <<<

Without doubt the most awesome album (unless you really just don't like
Asian / African music - the premise has Below The Waste written all over
it, but it blows away Below The Waste! - Nothing as silly as "Yebo!" on
THIS album).

>>> And finally...I love the talk of getting ZTT to release something,
how about we do something about it instead of just talking about it? ;o)
Does anyone know anyone at the label, etc? Could we draft a form letter
to send to them?--I think someone over there might take us seriously if
they knew about this list... <<<

Without doubt the most awesome idea - I guess that depends on our
collective buying power. Does anyone (list admin?) know how many
subscribers there are to this list? (for starters...)


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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:24:07 +0100
From: Andy Robinson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Plastic & Physical...A "Morleyism"?

Jeff A Hamilton wrote:
> Of all the former AoNites, Paul is the one I know the least about.
> So I'd like to know what he did for his name to be synonymous with
> releases that aren't released. Just curious!

he writes the sleeve notes, in an inimitable style.

What do you know about Gary Langan - he's the one I know least about

- - andy R.


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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:08:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) daft forever

On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Jeff A Hamilton wrote:
> >>> Daft is also missing "moment in love" <<<
>
> Yes, how did I miss that? A short piece, yes (but it's longer than
> "Battle"!). Was it on anything other than the "Into Battle" EP - I can't
> recall.

It was the B side of "Beatbox" on the American 45.  How's THAT for
obscure.  ;-)

- -CRZ


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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:30:58 EST
From: The Mgnt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) ZTT aholics--here are some answers for you

> >>> How is the Anne Dudley/Jaz Coleman cd? <<<
>
>  Without doubt the most awesome album (unless you really just don't like
>  Asian / African music - the premise has Below The Waste written all over
>  it, but it blows away Below The Waste! - Nothing as silly as "Yebo!" on
>  THIS album).

If you're referring to _Songs From The Victorious City_, it's Arabic music
(egyptian to be specific), not Asian or African.  Personally, I don't care for
it at all but my girlfriend at the time (an arabic) loved it.

- -paul


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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:56:57 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jeff A Hamilton)
Subject: (ztt) Cairo and silly lawsuits

On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:30:58 EST The Mgnt <[e-mail]> writes:
>>> If you're referring to _Songs From The Victorious City_, it's Arabic
music (egyptian to be specific), not Asian or African.  Personally, I
don't care for it at all but my girlfriend at the time (an arabic) loved
it. <<<

Oh, I was just being general (the "Arabian" (Middle East) area being in
southwest Asia and northeast Africa). BTW I'm one of those too (an Arab
(note the abscence of the "ic")). I don't particularly like Arabic music,
being much more accustomed to Western music, but I think it's the fact
that Anne Dudley had her hands in the audio to blame for me liking the
album so much.

(Al Qahirah* - a rough English transliteration - is Arabic for "the
victorious city". It is called "Cairo" in English, the Egyptian city in
which the album was recorded (aside from the British city London).

With regards to the list count, there has GOT to be a simpler way - most
of the lists that I'm on even print the total number of subscribers at
the top of the digest. Surely the list admin can look at a file and
quickly determine the number of addresses (hence, the number of
subscribers) to which ztt messages are being sent. The worst case
scenario is that a small number of people who subscribe to both the
regular version and the digest version (such as myself) will be counted
as two people.

Another idea - make compilations ourselves, and then when ZTT threatens
us with a lawsuit, presto! We've established communication.

(That was not to be taken seriously, of course...)

Paul Morley: Was his being credited as a songwriter on the ZTT AoN
releases just a courtesy? Or did he really do studio work?


* The liner notes use the transliteration "Al Khihira", which doesn't
really sound right. But Arabic doesn't use a Latin alphabet, so there's
not really a right or wrong way to spell it in English (unless it's
obviously way off, like "Lewinsky".



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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:17:52 -0700 (MST)
From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Cairo and silly lawsuits

> Surely the list admin can look at a file and quickly determine the
> number of addresses (hence, the number of subscribers) to which ztt
> messages are being sent.

Yes I can -- it's about 200 people.

(Why so strident?  I don't recall saying I wasn't going to answer this
question.)

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:32:45 +0000
From: Ian Peel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) ztt advertisments

>> - On the same ad there is also the AP IQ7. It is stated that it was
>There was -- at least in Japan, but I haven't seen any evidence of an actual
>UK CD at the time.  Hence the question marks.

I'm losing track of things here a bit, but if we are talking about
Andrew Poppy's The Beating Of Wings, then yes there was a standard UK CD
(I have it!)...  I think it came out a little after the LP and CS (no
more than 18 months).

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:46:31 -0700 (MST)
From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) ztt advertisments

> I'm losing track of things here a bit, but if we are talking about
> Andrew Poppy's The Beating Of Wings, then yes there was a standard UK CD
> (I have it!)...  I think it came out a little after the LP and CS (no
> more than 18 months).

IQ7 is Everything Could Be So Perfect by Anne Pigalle.  I've got the '94 UK CD
and the first Japanese issue, but don't know about a UK CD coming out around
the same time as the LP/CS . . .

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:52:04 +0000
From: Ian Peel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) collectors nirvana?

Just thought I'd email the list to say that I think I found ZTT
colectors' nirvana this afternoon at Music & Video Exchange, Berwick
Street, London...

I went to their bargain basement and found thousends of 12"s and LPs all
for 1 pound each (less than a dollar?)... pretty useful as I had exactly
that to spend in my pocket.  So imagine my joy when I found the 12" of
Quincy Jones Vs 808 State...!  But then imagine my greater joy when I
decided not to buy it, in favour of a second find: Propaganda's A Secret
Wish LP - for just one pound - signed by both Claudia and Suzanne!
Ian Peel
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:40:29 -0800
From: Elizabeth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) ACT

> >      BTW, if anyone has an extra copy of either Laughter, Tears & Rage or
> >      Love and Million Other Things that they're willing to sell, please let
> >      me know.  My copies have actually started to skip because I've played
> >      them so much.  I have an extra copy of the Kiss Like Ether CD single
> >      that I'm willing to trade.
> >
> >      Thanks;
> >      Mike

I managed to get the CD (Laughter, Tears and Rage) when it came out and
then came across the album in a record shop in Pasadena a couple years
ago and snatched it up because the album had tracks (or A track) NOT on
the CD!  Of course, the album is about only half of the CD anyway, but
anyone know why they did this, i.e. put tracks on the album that didn't
end up on the CD?

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:50:33 -0700 (MST)
From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) ACT

> I managed to get the CD (Laughter, Tears and Rage) when it came out and
> then came across the album in a record shop in Pasadena a couple years
> ago and snatched it up because the album had tracks (or A track) NOT on
> the CD!  Of course, the album is about only half of the CD anyway, but
> anyone know why they did this, i.e. put tracks on the album that didn't
> end up on the CD?

Well, why would they put tracks on the CD that don't end up on the album? :-)

(The two tracks in question are both reeeally short, so...)

  0:32    Short Story
  1:02    Theme From Laughter

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:04:01 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jeff A Hamilton)
Subject: (ztt) Head count

Sorry Lazlo - I didn't realize that you were the list admin...

So, 200 people - plus the thousands (I guess) of computer users NOT on
this mailing list plus the thousands who aren't computers (now that's
some wild extrapolation of data). How does 10,000 potential buyers sound?
Some albums don't score that many buys in their first week out.

Just rambling on...

Jeff

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:18:50 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jeff A Hamilton)
Subject: (ztt) CD LP CS album 12" 7" 45 33 78 and so on

Lazlo says (in reply to someone else)

>>> Well, why would they put tracks on the CD that don't end up on the
album? <<<

Around the time that CDs started getting popular, it seemed that every
third album was coming out with "bonus tracks" only on the CD (and
sometimes on the cassette). I used to despise the practice (even though I
was still little at the time, I hated the eviction of 12" vinyl from the
marketplace). Nowadays, 60 minute CDs and double 12" LPs are the norm
(instead of truncated 12" LPs); but I always thought that if bonus tracks
are going to be thrown around, it should go both ways.

I did a few recordings in the late 80's and the intent was to have a
single, different bonus track on CD, 12", and cassette; as it so happens,
I never released anything on any format but cassette so my exercise was
pointless.

Long live the 12"!


Now: Some thoughts about terminology.

I always end up debating this issue with people and am curious to hear
you all's opinion on the matter.

"album" - any audio recording too long to be called an EP, synonymous
with "record" and "LP"

"twelve-inch single" - a single on 12" vinyl

"CD single" - a single on compact disc

an "album" can be on "twelve-inch vinyl", "compact disc (CD)", or
cassette

A lot of people imply that an "album" is specifically a 12" LP, but
considering that the term "album" came into use because old 78s were
usually multi-disc collections, "album" was a very appropriate term. But
still, even on single-disc compilations, an "album" represents a
collection of something (whereas a "single" generally does not). Same
goes for "LP", which is an acronym for "long-playing" (not to be confused
with the "EP" - "extended-play", which is not longer than an LP but an
extended-playing SINGLE).

Not to mention referring to a seven-inch record as a "45" - some 7"s are
to be played back at 33-1/3 rpm and many 12" singles are to be played
back at 45 rpm.

I doubt that I'll start using different terms after all these years, BUT
hopefully someone on this list who knows more than I do can help me to
set this straight.


Jeff Hamilton, the Capitalist
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:05:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Roy DeRousse <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) CD LP CS album 12" 7" 45 33 78 and so on

I'm glad to see that someone else agrees with me about the term
"album."  An album is a collection of "things"... thus terms like
"photo album."  "Album" should be a generic term defined the way Jeff
has.  Of course, if you want to get literal with the term, most 7"ers
could be albums too since there are usually 2 songs on them.  ("Album"
doesn't imply any certain number.)  But I think the term "album" in
reference to music is generally understood to be something of LP
length or greater.

I agree with the rest of Jeff's definitions as well.  Here's one thing
that bugs me - the term "box set."  The term should be "boxed set."  A
box set is a set of boxes!  See what I mean?  It's not proper grammar.

- ---Jeff A Hamilton <[e-mail]> wrote:
> "album" - any audio recording too long to be called an EP, synonymous
> with "record" and "LP"

==
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 03:18:36 -0500
From: artisan2 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Stuff ZTT should release on CD - NOW!!!

>
>>If a label...were to license...the best and coolest ZTT material to
>>appease collectors and casual fans alike, what would you want to be
>>included?
>
>Among other things - the "Into Battle" EP (everything from that EXCEPT
>for "Battle" and "BeatBox" is on the "daft" CD). Though I do have enough
>vinyl copies (about 10 or 12) to last a while.

  Actually, you're forgetting the 1:20 long snippet of "Moments In Love"
on the end of   side-B. That's the one with the different drum beat that
Enigma later ripped off.


  Personally, I would like to see all things ZTT get re-mastered and
consequently re-released with ACCURATE playlistings and titles.
Furthermore, I would damn well hope that this time the opening dialog to
AON's "Love Beat" between Anne and (I think) Trevor is left intact. This
as much opposed to the "daft" compilation where it was renamed "Three
Fingers Of Love" and bore a dull fade-in intro.
  I had heard a rumor, back at the 10th anniversary of "Who's Afraid",
that there was a surround sound encoded re-release being planned. Sadly,
this turned out to be wholly unfounded... What a pisser.
  My real dream compilation would be a box set of every AON single
released stopping just ahead of the FON Mixes. The point to it would be
to include all B-side tracks and remixes (Arthur Baker's 7" & 12" mixes
of Dragnet, for example) all in a duplication of the original packaging
per disc. The only logical name for such a set would be "Bsides Asides".
It sounds rather dumb, yes, but it's actually an important play on it's
own verbage. The name, of course, reffers to A side & B side tracks but
also the function performed by them. B side tracks, for me, serve a
similar function as asides in classic theatre... not always essential to
the progress of the play, but, all the more to the defining of the moment
and/or atmosphere, theme, etc... Case in point: "Hoops & Mallets". No
real point in being there except to further impart their goal (at that
time) to produce songs of nearly pure atmosphere. "A Time To Hear (You're
Listening)" is another good example. Little fragments of their singles to
date in one song. Sort of like taking them back to the one jam session
from which everything evolved.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:57:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Daly <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) CD LP CS album 12" 7" 45 33 78 and so on (fwd)

I agree with the rest of Jeff's definitions as well.  Here's one thing
that bugs me - the term "box set."  The term should be "boxed set."  A
box set is a set of boxes!  See what I mean?  It's not proper grammar.


Yes!  That one has been bugging me for years.  It IS "Boxed Set" damn it!



Patrick



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