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ztt-digest          Monday, January 19 1998          Volume 02 : Number 013




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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:11:08 -0700 (MST)
From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Act/Claudia Brucken

> I would love to be proved wrong on this, but it will take something a
> little more substantial than "Shame, SHAME foul imposter!" or "BW HA HA
> HA" before I stop passing on info I believe to be correct to people who
> ask for it :-) Can I be alone in thinking we should be a little more
> grown up about this sort of thing?

Well, if you think I was being less than "grown up" I'm sorry -- dunno why you
feel that way, though.

> I have seen mention of a CD single and 7" for "Chance", but only in
> wanted adverts, never for sale. Can anyone here confirm their existence?

Only for the 7" (which I have a sleeve scan of around here somewhere).
I've never had any real evidence for a CD-single and in fact if I recall
correctly the print ads for the single didn't mention one which implies pretty
strongly that one was never pressed.

- --
::: Lazlo ([e-mail]; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)
::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists


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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:12:37 -0500
From: J Bortz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Chance 7" & cd5

 Hello.  To answer your question, I have the Chance 7".  I don't however
have the cd5.  I saw it listed in one of those thick cd books that tells
you how much your cd's are worth.  It said that the Chance cd5 was worth
100 UKP.  Now this was back in 1996, so if there were ever copies made, it
was probably less that 10 copies and they probably leaked out of the ZTT
office or manufacturing company or something like that.  Why knows!

  Cheers,  Josh



"Acid House "KILLED" Rock N' Roll"



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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:45:33 +0000
From: Ian Peel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Absolutely Immune cd??

Personally I'd eat my hat if I ever saw an Absolutely Immune CD Single.
In ten years I have never even seen one offered for sale second hand.

It's no surprise that one wasn't manufactured unlike the other Act
singles - dont forget that when Snobbery & Decay came out, ZTT had the
financial backing of Island and when I Cant Escape From You appeared,
Warners were on the case.  But in between, when Absolutely Immune
appeared, ZTT were on their own.  And at the time CD singles were a lot
more expemsive to manufacture.  Even the second Absolutely Immune 12"
was pressed in very limited quantities.

Oh, and it's _I_an!

- --
Ian Peel

J Bortz <[e-mail]> writes
>
> Does any one on this list have any connections to the people at Zang?  I
>know Ean Peel knew a few people.  Joerg, what about you with your KICK ASS
>700 plus ZTT music collection??  I have even heard rumors of an ACT
>"Chance" cd5, but NEVER an Absolutely Immune cd!  If this item does exist,
>why wasn't it mentioned when the Zang discog was being updated???


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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:02:00 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (ztt) ACT - Chance 12"

     On the subject of various ACT singles, I obtained a list from Energy=
 =

     here in the UK.  There was various ZTT stuff, but being as the talk =

     was of the Chance single I thought this might be interesting.  It ma=
y =

     already be sold as it is a list for January 1998.
     Good Hunting.....
     =

     From the ENERGY list:-
     =

     Chance (UK mega rare withdrawn 12" incl 12/1 Chance, Winner 88 & [We=
 =

     Give You Another] Chance, P/S - very few =

     issued! BETT1)(x2)                                                  =
   =

       =

     =A385.00
     =

     E-mail us at [e-mail]
     =

     ENERGY, Offices 4-6, Cherrywood Lodge, Polperro Road, West Looe, =

     Cornwall, PL13 2JE, England.
     Alternatively if you are in the UK you can fax us on [phone] =
or =

     if you are outside of the UK [phone]



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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:07:06 +0100
From: Andy Robinson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Act/Claudia Brucken

Lazlo Nibble wrote:
> Well, if you think I was being less than "grown up" I'm sorry --
> dunno why you feel that way, though.

I owe Lazlo as public apology here... I misinterpreted a message by
getting quoted text mixed up with the original message (as the original
had not arrived by then) - sorry

- - andy R.


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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:12:20 +0100
From: Andy Robinson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Chance 7" & cd5

J Bortz wrote:
>
>  Hello.  To answer your question, I have the Chance 7"

Wow - is the A-side any different to the LP version?

> I don't however have the cd5.  I saw it listed in one of those thick
> cd books that tells you how much your cd's are worth.  It said that
> the Chance cd5 was worth 100 UKP.

This is probaly based on Esprit Records in the UK advertising it in
their wants list to 100 pounds

> ...if there were ever copies made, it was probably less that 10
> copies...

If I am correct in my understanding of CD manufactuing, the minimum
quantity that currently is economic to manufacture is about 500. As
chance was quite a while ago, I think CD-Rs were not available then, so
I am inclined to think the single got canned without any being made at
all.

- - andy R.


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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:23:47 EST
From: JohnJr DPD <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Items that do not exist

Suffice it to say that, as much as we collectors may have wanted an item to
exist, some do not.  I think that anyone advertising items such as a
"...Wildlife" or "Absolutely..." CD single is in fact just trying to lure your
money away from you because they were simply never made.

Now, what I would like to know is, how much does a label like Oglio,
Cleopatra, etc. have to pay to license a track for CD production.  Has this
ever been proposed to ZTT?  Obviously we are never going to see many of these
originals on CD format and we have the nice folks (read:  *&@^#@^*) at ZTT,
and their brilliant insight, to thank for that.

But hey - in the slim chance that something DOES exist (because ZTT doesn't
even know what they released!!! - check out later editions of their typed
discographies) let's not flame each other, but just make sure the info is
verified...

Be seeing you...
John, Jr.

P.S.  If someone has the time, and can get in touch with someone who knows
something, I would really like to know what the disposition of the original
masters are.  Even if someone wanted to rerelease some of these mixes on CD, I
HIGHLY DOUBT that anyone at ZTT was smart enough to retain an archive copy!!!
I think that Warner, Trevor and Jill missed the boat entirely when they had
their anniversary (ZTT's) by NOT rereleasing some of the rarities....

Why didn't Paul Morley push the CD single thing - I mean, another format that
could chart? - why miss out on the fun?  what was it now - you could chart 4
different formats on the UK chart?  Maybe Ian would know the answer....


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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 98 14:36:23 -0400
From: Elvin Orta <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Chance 7" & cd5

>
> Hello.  To answer your question, I have the Chance 7".  I don't however
>have the cd5.  I saw it listed in one of those thick cd books that tells
>you how much your cd's are worth.  It said that the Chance cd5 was worth
>100 UKP.  Now this was back in 1996, so if there were ever copies made, it
>was probably less that 10 copies and they probably leaked out of the ZTT
>office or manufacturing company or something like that.  Why knows!
>
>  Cheers,  Josh

At the time of release of "Chance"(1986-87), manufacturing of CD's =
was so
expensive thatorders probably ran in minimums of 500, or even 1,000.
I don't think that any CD manufacturing facility would even bother to
manufacture less than 500 copies of CD's, even today.
I have worked in the audio recording industry for the last 10 years, =
and it is
only now that small runs of CD's can be manufactured =
cost-effectively, due to
CD-R technologies.
But I have sen big companies print 500 CDs for promotional use when =
probably
100 would have done... Take Sony Music, for example.

My two =A2ents,
Elvin

"sharks patrol these waters"

LIVE from Puerto Rico

Elvin Orta & Laura Nazario
Compact Point Studios



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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:52:40 +0100
From: Andy Robinson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Items that do not exist

JohnJr DPD wrote:
> ...Now, what I would like to know is, how much does a label like
> Oglio, Cleopatra, etc. have to pay to license a track for CD
> production.  Has this ever been proposed to ZTT?...

I have been toying for some time with the idea of trying to licence
tracks for a CD of rarities and selling it over the internet. Has anyone
been down this path before? Any ideas or suggestions? I guess labels
would frown on a single artist (or even single-label) compilation, but
how would people on this list resond to a compilation with 3 or 4 ZTT
mixes that never made it onto CD and the rest by other artists?

- - andy R.


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