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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:52:28 +0100
From: Andy Robinson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Chance 7" & cd5

Elvin Orta wrote:
> I don't think that any CD manufacturing facility would even bother
> to manufacture less than 500 copies of CD's, even today.
> I have worked in the audio recording industry for the last 10 years,
> and it is only now that small runs of CD's can be manufactured cost-
> effectively, due to CD-R technologies.
> But I have sen big companies print 500 CDs for promotional use when
> probably 100 would have done... Take Sony Music, for example.

This ties in with my thoughts on this exactly, BUT I have a (non-ZTT) CD
that doesn't seem to fit the rules... Many years ago I saw a speculative
entry in Esprit's advert in Record Collector, for a CD of remixes by
Arcadia (a Duran Duran off-shoot).

As nothing ever came of this, and I never saw anyone even claiming to
have a copy over the next few years, I assumed this was one of the many
rumours that lead to nothing, until I found a copy!

It's a silver CD (which should mean it's not a CD-R) and if it's a
bootleg, it's the most convincing I have ever come across. Does anyone
have an thoughts on why a promo CD that many people would want just
vanished, and then all of a sudden, one single copy turns up years
later? If 500 suddenly reached the second hand market at once, I'm sure
I would have found it sooner.

- - andy R.


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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:28:42 -0800 (PST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (ztt) ZTT dream compilation (was Re: Items that do not exist)

JohnJr DPD wrote:
> Now, what I would like to know is, how much does a label like Oglio,
> Cleopatra, etc. have to pay to license a track for CD production.  Has this
> ever been proposed to ZTT?

Thinking along those lines, when reissues of the Yello back catalog were
being planned, I recall Lazlo, who runs the Yello mailing list, came up
with suggested bonus tracks to fill out the 74 minutes on each CD. The
suggestions were apparently ignored, but it was fun to think at least for
a little while that the "dream discs" had a chance. I believe the Men
Without Hats list had an influence on the track selection for the MWH
compilation that came out last year.

If a label like Oglio or Cleopatra were to license 2 CD's worth of the
best and coolest ZTT material to appease collectors and casual fans alike,
what would you want to be included? Perhaps we could actually make a
proposal.

Mike


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:36:50 -0800 (PST)
From: [e-mail] (James Dawson)
Subject: (ztt) ZTT Compilations?

Someone wrote recently that ZTT, now that it has gone the "completely
independent" route, should open the vaults and release a lot of things that
never have appeared on CD. Is it just me, or does this seem like the kind of
idea that makes so much sense it will never happen?

CD manufacturing costs are much lower than in the 1980s...ZTT already has
the masters in hand...the label has a devoted following among
collectors...the fans who were around in the '80s have (with any luck) more
disposable income now that nearly 15 years have passed...and there is even a
new avenue of distribution (the fabulous Internet). So it only seems like
common sense for ZTT to put out titles such as:

1) Frankie: The REALLY Complete 12 Inches. All of the non-CD B-sides and
cassette-only mixes probably would fit on three CDs. Make it a box. Simple.

2) Insignificance soundtrack. Hans Zimmer, one of the contributors to this
album, is now a multiple Oscar winner. And has the Roy Orbison track ever
appeared anywhere else? Those are two sales hooks right there. This is my
favorite soundtrack album ever, and it's a crime that it is not available on CD.

3) Act. Call it "The Final Act" or something, slap everything on it, make
every Claudia fan dance with joy.

4) Propaganda. Again, there are plenty of extended mixes and B-sides to
justify a CD compilation. This stuff is GREAT.

...and so on, and so on. This is all so obvious. Other labels have done
small runs of CDs that they did not expect to achieve "chart-topper" status,
so why shouldn't ZTT? They could even number the things and call them
"limited editions."

Is there a specific person at ZTT who should get groveling pleas like this
one? If anyone has the name/address, please post it.

- --James Dawson
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:42:17 +0000
From: Raymondus Mitja Koh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) ZTT dream compilation (was Re: Items that do not exist)

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> JohnJr DPD wrote:
> > Now, what I would like to know is, how much does a label like Oglio,
> > Cleopatra, etc. have to pay to license a track for CD production.  Has this
> > ever been proposed to ZTT?
>
> Thinking along those lines, when reissues of the Yello back catalog were
> being planned, I recall Lazlo, who runs the Yello mailing list, came up
> with suggested bonus tracks to fill out the 74 minutes on each CD. The
> suggestions were apparently ignored, but it was fun to think at least for
> a little while that the "dream discs" had a chance. I believe the Men
> Without Hats list had an influence on the track selection for the MWH
> compilation that came out last year.
>
> If a label like Oglio or Cleopatra were to license 2 CD's worth of the
> best and coolest ZTT material to appease collectors and casual fans alike,
> what would you want to be included? Perhaps we could actually make a
> proposal.
>
If the image of ZTT as a company that would do anything for money is
true, then maybe we would stand a good chance!


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:54:48 -0600
From: John Goelzer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Stuff ZTT should release on CD - NOW!!!

If a label...were to license...the best and coolest ZTT material to
appease collectors and casual fans alike, what would you want to be
included?

1)    Frankie: The REALLY Complete 12 Inches. All of the non-CD
B-sides and cassette-only mixes probably would fit on three CDs. Make it
a box. Simple.

Agreed. A box, the more discs the better. And nothing like the Depeche
Mode singles boxes, with each single on its own disc. I'd expect the
full 70+ minutes to be used on each CD.

2)    Insignificance soundtrack. Hans Zimmer, one of the contributors
to this album, is now a multiple Oscar winner. And has the Roy Orbison
track ever appeared anywhere else? Those are two sales hooks right
there. This is my favorite soundtrack album ever, and it's a crime that
it is not available on CD.

Also agreed. And include any remixes of the Glenn Gregory/Claudia tune
too.

3)    Act. Call it "The Final Act" or something, slap everything on
it, make every Claudia fan dance with joy.

Sounds OK, although I already have Laughter, Tears..., Snobbery and I
Can't Escape on CD. Still, I'd like Ab Immune and those elusive Trevor
Horn Chance remixes, too...

4)    Propaganda. Again, there are plenty of extended mixes and
B-sides to justify a CD compilation. This stuff is GREAT.

Yes Yes Yes!!! All of those vinyl- and cassette-only remixes, plus the
short version of Jewel (on the US vinyl version of Secret Wish). And
throw in the Propaganda vs. Frankie think too (should also be included
in the Frankie box).

5)    ZTT Sampled compilation (includes Frankie's Disneyland - should
also be in the Frankie box).

6)    I don't know how rare the CD versions are, but I'm an avid ZTT
fan and I've never heard the Anne Pigalle, or Nasty Roxx Inc albums. And
that Psych-Oh Rangers EP wouldn't be bad, either...

7)    This would be tricky, as it's not ZTT in the strictest sense,
but how about Yes, Grace Jones, etc. remixes???

8)    All rare Seal material (acoustic sessions, Unplugged session,
Love Is Powerful, various soundtrack songs, remixes, etc.). Again, this
could really be a box or a 2-disc set. With Seal and TCH/ZTT parting
ways, this would be a good way for ZTT to milk their past association
with him for all it's worth (see I.R.S. Records and REM's Eponymous).


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:22:03 -0600
From: "duelist" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) ZTT compilation

The ZTT reissue/compilation idea is a brilliant one (and James Dawson
 commented on it in a particularly eloquent way - good show), but (and I
 hate to be the fly in the ointment, as they say) do Warner own the
 records or do ZTT? P&D deals, etc can get awfully sticky when it comes
 to this. Why do you think there hasn't been a Stock Aitken Waterman box
 yet? Anyone have any info about this?
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:36:32 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (ztt) The Brain

I stumbled across a single by The Brain featuring Claudia Brucken called
'I'll Find A Way'.
Does anybody have any info on The Brain. Apparently, the writing credits for
this single are attributed to  Maier/Mertens/Brucken. It's on the Interpop
label and even manages to sound cheesy Euro disco, but is kind of saved by
Claudia Brucken's distinctive vocals. Who are The Brain?

Cheers
Matt



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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:56:21 +0000
From: Raymondus Mitja Koh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) ZTT compilation

duelist wrote:
>
> The ZTT reissue/compilation idea is a brilliant one (and James Dawson
>  commented on it in a particularly eloquent way - good show), but (and I
>  hate to be the fly in the ointment, as they say) do Warner own the
>  records or do ZTT? P&D deals, etc can get awfully sticky when it comes
>  to this. Why do you think there hasn't been a Stock Aitken Waterman box
>  yet?

COuld it be because people generally think (IMHO of course) that Stock
et al were a cheesy low quality assembly line product of their time
whereas a lot of the ZTT stuff (NOT all of it - especially not Das
Psycho Rangers) remains fairly current - I point out the 1994 re issues
of FGTH stuff??


Raymondus


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:06:10 -0600
From: "duelist" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) ZTT compilation

>COuld it be because people generally think (IMHO of course) that Stock
>et al were a cheesy low quality assembly line product of their time
>whereas a lot of the ZTT stuff (NOT all of it - especially not Das
>Psycho Rangers) remains fairly current - I point out the 1994 re issues
>of FGTH stuff??

I'm sorry for the confusion. The Stock et al was only mentioned because I
had heard that Warner doesn't want to issue any of it and they own it. I was
hoping that would not be the case for the ZTT catalogue.



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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:38:38 -0500
From: [e-mail] (J X H)
Subject: Re: (ztt) Stuff ZTT should release on CD - NOW!!!

>If a label...were to license...the best and coolest ZTT material to
>appease collectors and casual fans alike, what would you want to be
>included?

Among other things - the "Into Battle" EP (everything from that EXCEPT
for "Battle" and "BeatBox" is on the "daft" CD). Though I do have enough
vinyl copies (about 10 or 12) to last a while.

>Agreed. A box, the more discs the better. And nothing like the Depeche
>Mode singles boxes, with each single on its own disc. I'd expect the
>full 70+ minutes to be used on each CD.

Yes - that one or two songs per disc routine is a waste of plastic.
(Well, I guess it depends on who the artist is...I'd sell a kidney to get
all of the AoN 12"s on CD - seperately or not).

Jeff


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:20:26 -0700 (MST)
From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Stuff ZTT should release on CD - NOW!!!

> (Well, I guess it depends on who the artist is...I'd sell a kidney to get
> all of the AoN 12"s on CD - seperately or not).

ZTT are seriously missing a bet on reissues.  The China-era AoN material has
been licensed and relicensed over and over again, so there's clearly some kind
of market out there for it, and I can't imagine there being *less* demand for
the ZTT-era stuff than there is for things like The FON Mixes and Below The
Waste!

Don't get me wrong, I was happy to see the German FGTH CD5s when they came out
in '89, but let's face it, they were just straight reissues of the common
12"s.  I don't understand why there hasn't been any attempt to get anything
more comprehensive released.

- --
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 20:40:08 -0400
From: Elvin Orta <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Chance 7" & cd5

>
>It's a silver CD (which should mean it's not a CD-R) and if it's a
>bootleg, it's the most convincing I have ever come across. Does anyone
>have an thoughts on why a promo CD that many people would want just
>vanished, and then all of a sudden, one single copy turns up years
>later? If 500 suddenly reached the second hand market at once, I'm sure
>I would have found it sooner.

Bootlegs are a different animal... possibly done by an employee who
works at a plant, or unscrupulous CD duplicators.

Cheers,
Elvin

"sharks patrol these waters"

LIVE from Puerto Rico

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 20:41:47 -0400
From: Elvin Orta <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Chance 7" & cd5

>If 500 suddenly reached the second hand market at once, I'm sure
>I would have found it sooner.

Bootlegs have a very limited reach, and 500 copies for a band that
usually sells a million copies, it is very rare.
And besides, something that most people who buy wouldn't part ways
with anyway.

Elvin

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LIVE from Puerto Rico

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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:26:23 -0800
From: "Ian Ferrell (Exchange)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (ztt) AON Stuff ZTT should release on CD - NOW!!!

Some of the AON material I'd love to see collected in digital format:

1) Close to the Edit (Closely Closely) mix -- I've got the 3" Japanese
CD, but it's a pain to play.
2) Paranoimia (Original) mix -- Max Headroom was a good guy, but he
bastardised this song from the original mix. To borrow from Otto Flake,
I believe the Max Headroom mix was the point that our beloved AON
stitched sequin to gimmick...
3) Legs (Original) and (Legacy) mixes -- Got the subway poster, gotta
have the mixes on CD. :-)
4) Moments In Love (Beaten) and (3 Fingers of Love) mixes -- Also on 3"
Japanese CD, still a pain to play. Ah,what the heck, give me all of the
Moments In Love mixes; there can't be any sour eggs in the lot, eh?

From FGTH:
1) Most of the Liverpool 12" mixes. Call me a heathen, but Liverpool is
a beautiful album with wonderful sound. It just had the bad luck to
follow WTTP...
2) Relax (Sex Mix) -- Whichever is the classic 28-minute mix. (Yeah, I'm
too lazy to check Lazlo's discography...)
3) Two Tribes (Intermission Mix) - The long version with the cool piano
intro and "Mine Is The Last Voice You Will Ever Hear" voiceover. God, it
still gives me chills 15 years later...

I'm sure a lot of these are available in separate form on various
obscure Japanese discs and the like, but I much prefer one-stop
shopping.

There are those who would suggest a hardcore fan could record all of
these in MP3 format and dump them onto a CDR for personal play on his
computer, but I couldn't possibly comment.

Ian


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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:25:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Daly <[e-mail]>
Subject: Message Bounce: [Fwd: Re: (ztt) Stuff ZTT should release on CD - NOW!!!] (fwd)

> J X H wrote:
>
> > Yes - that one or two songs per disc routine is a waste of plastic.
> > (Well, I guess it depends on who the artist is...I'd sell a kidney to get                                                -----------------
>

 REALLY?!   MUHAHAHAHAHAH!

 so be it . . .



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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:44:40 +0000
From: Ian Peel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Stuff ZTT should release on CD - NOW!!!

>ZTT are seriously missing a bet on reissues.  The China-era AoN material has
>been licensed and relicensed over and over again, so there's clearly some kind
>of market out there for it, and I can't imagine there being *less* demand for
>the ZTT-era stuff than there is for things like The FON Mixes and Below The
>Waste!

Apparantly Tim Simenon from Bomb The Bass is always asking China for the
chance to remix BeatBox et al each time they start commissioning yet
another new remix compilation...!

But at least each time China do a new AoN compilation they _reinterpret_
into the contemporary style - ambient house, techno, Drum & bass etc...
For ZTT to do a straight reissue compilation could only be seen getting
in on a very dodgy eighties revival - rather than trying something
new...

And on the reinterpreting for the present tip, they've already tried and
failed: when they handed Propaganda masters to T-Empo et al, who promtly
destroyed P Machinery for 7 Records...
Ian Peel
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:31:40 +0000
From: Ian Peel <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Das Psycho Rangers (was: ZTT compilation)

>COuld it be because people generally think (IMHO of course) that Stock
>et al were a cheesy low quality assembly line product of their time
>whereas a lot of the ZTT stuff (NOT all of it - especially not Das
>Psycho Rangers) remains fairly current - I point out the 1994 re issues
>of FGTH stuff??

IMHO... The current dance-rock crossover thing (check out the recent
'Spawn' soundtrack for some excellent examples) shows exactly how ahead
of their time Das Phychos were...  And Homage To The Blessed is a
brillaint piano/vocal interlude which shows there were some good songs
beneath the drama...

Where are they now?  Why aren't they now!
Ian Peel
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:37:45 +0000
From: Ian Peel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) ZTT Compilations?

>Someone wrote recently that ZTT, now that it has gone the "completely
>independent" route, should open the vaults and release a lot of things that
>never have appeared on CD. Is it just me, or does this seem like the kind of
>idea that makes so much sense it will never happen?

True, there is NO WAY a compilation would have ever appeared under WEA.
On Warners' scale the Act (for example) fan base is so minimal
(including the Net) that a compilation would just be a waste of money...
The only hope I can see comes from the new independance and the fact
that the (UK) tenth anniversary reissues were predominantly controlled
by Waners, Morely's return and his involvement in the Web site.

But those are still pretty slim hopes...

Ian Peel
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 04:22:21 EST
From: The Mgnt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Stuff ZTT should release on CD - NOW!!!

> >ZTT are seriously missing a bet on reissues.  The China-era AoN material
has
> >been licensed and relicensed over and over again, so there's clearly some
kind
>  >of market out there for it, and I can't imagine there being *less* demand
for
>  >the ZTT-era stuff than there is for things like The FON Mixes and Below
The
>  >Waste!

Hey!  I *like* BTW!

[...]

>  But at least each time China do a new AoN compilation they _reinterpret_
>  into the contemporary style - ambient house, techno, Drum & bass etc...

Well, if that's what you enjoy. Personally, if I'm shelling out cash for an
AoN compilation I expect to hear something that at least RESEMBLES AoN...

>  For ZTT to do a straight reissue compilation could only be seen getting
>  in on a very dodgy eighties revival - rather than trying something
>  new...

Not really.  More of a band specific revival if one must use that word.  One
could hardly argue the recent Simon & Garfunkl box was a 60s revival.

- -paul

>  And on the reinterpreting for the present tip, they've already tried and
>  failed: when they handed Propaganda masters to T-Empo et al, who promtly
>  destroyed P Machinery for 7 Records...
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:47:29 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jeff A Hamilton)
Subject: (ztt) The Art Of Noise reissues and remixes

>>> But at least each time China do a new AoN compilation they
_reinterpret_ into the contemporary style - ambient house, techno, Drum &
bass etc... For ZTT to do a straight reissue compilation could only be
seen getting in on a very dodgy eighties revival - rather than trying
something new... <<<

I love the FON and D&B and ambient mix albums, but I also have no problem
with a very dodgy eighties revival. I may have to license these ("these"
no plural - I just mean that one item, the "Into Battle" EP - whoever it
was that mentioned doing something similar (licensing recordings for
reissue), take note> myself if all else fails...


Jeff Hamilton, the Capitalist
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:47:03 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jeff A Hamilton)
Subject: (ztt) The Art Of Noise, continued

>>> Hey!  I *like* BTW! <<<

Ditto! (even though it is technically the WORST amongst the AoN studio
albums)


>>> >>> But at least each time China do a new AoN compilation they
_reinterpret_ into the contemporary style - ambient house, techno, Drum &
bass etc... <<< <<<

>>> Well, if that's what you enjoy. Personally, if I'm shelling out cash
for an AoN compilation I expect to hear something that at least RESEMBLES
AoN... <<<

I would like to see (hear!) a CD or two (or three, whatever it takes) of
EVERY SINGLE note that the original AoN recorded back in '83 & '84
(sessions which resulted in the "Battle" and "Afraid" recordings). That's
the only hope to hear more of the original noise. (INS?N! and IVS and BTW
are all great too, of course...)

On the subject of remixes, I may have to do one of those too (to keep
from having to listen to another dance mix CD of the artist formerly
known as AoN).


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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:10:29 -0700 (MST)
From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Stuff ZTT should release on CD - NOW!!!

> But at least each time China do a new AoN compilation they _reinterpret_
> into the contemporary style - ambient house, techno, Drum & bass etc...
> For ZTT to do a straight reissue compilation could only be seen getting
> in on a very dodgy eighties revival - rather than trying something
> new...

Hmm.  I would reverse that spin and say that for ZTT to do a straight reissue
compilation would show some respect for the artists and fans without whom they
would not exist as a label -- as opposed to China's desperate attempts to
squeeze a few more dollars out of their only viable backstock of material by
jumping on every dance-music bandwagon that comes along.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:51:48 +0000
From: Ian Peel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Items that do not exist

>Why didn't Paul Morley push the CD single thing - I mean, another format that
>could chart? - why miss out on the fun?  what was it now - you could chart 4
>different formats on the UK chart?  Maybe Ian would know the answer....

I think we can put it down to the obvious answer - money.  At the time
of Absolutely Immune the whole chart system was changing and ZTT, I
reckon had run pretty short of cash for multiple releases and also the
whole chart system (disqualifying multiple versions etc.) was in flux.

Ian Peel
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:03:24 +0000
From: Ian Peel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) ZTT dream compilation (was Re: Items that do not exist)

I actually kinda went down this road once or twice before.  I came up
with several initial track listings for 808 State's State To State
compilation when it was initially slated... At the very beginning I had
it as a half 808 and half rare other ZTT stuff (S/O/R's Happy Feelings
and Switzerland were two I can remember including)...

When the tenth anniversary re-issues were first thought of, the ZTT
gang(sters) asked me for some 'dream' track lists and I obviously
happily obliged - although these were completely ignored - Zance turned
out very differently from what I think most ZTT fans would have hoped
for...

But I did collaborate with WEA International when they reissued A Secret
Wish, Liverpool, WTTPD, Daft, Whos Afraid (and others).  I suggested the
extra tracks for the Japanese versions, which they followed as far as CD
length would allow...

>Thinking along those lines, when reissues of the Yello back catalog were
>being planned, I recall Lazlo, who runs the Yello mailing list, came up
>with suggested bonus tracks to fill out the 74 minutes on each CD. The
>suggestions were apparently ignored, but it was fun to think at least for
>a little while that the "dream discs" had a chance. I believe the Men
>Without Hats list had an influence on the track selection for the MWH
>compilation that came out last year.
>
>If a label like Oglio or Cleopatra were to license 2 CD's worth of the
>best and coolest ZTT material to appease collectors and casual fans alike,
>what would you want to be included? Perhaps we could actually make a
>proposal.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:29:48 -0800 (PST)
From: [e-mail] (jon masciana)
Subject: Re: (ztt) Stuff ZTT should release on CD - NOW!!!

Lazlo wrote:
>
>Hmm.  I would reverse that spin and say that for ZTT to do a straight reissue
>compilation would show some respect for the artists and fans without whom they
>would not exist as a label -- as opposed to China's desperate attempts to
>squeeze a few more dollars out of their only viable backstock of material by
>jumping on every dance-music bandwagon that comes along.

Thanks Lazlo,
My sentiments exactly. The FON collection sounds like it was made in 1992,
all of the AON albums have withstood the 80s and the 90s as masterpieces of
their time. They will be talked about in 30 years just as we still are now.
The last two remix collections are poor representations to the new
generation of AON listeners of their genius (not that they were bad, but
they weren't representative.) Youth and LX were on to something with the
Ambient Collection, and you'll notice that Anne and JJ did endorse it
personally on the liner notes. Hip hop stations in San Diego are getting
requests for Moments In Love (the original 12" version). If enough stations
catch on (probably not), we may be seeing a reissue soon. (Let's hope....)

By the way, is the Daft collection worth getting on cd for $11.00? I have
it all on vinyl...I think. Anybody think so?

Jon




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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:31:41 -0700 (MST)
From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Stuff ZTT should release on CD - NOW!!!

> By the way, is the Daft collection worth getting on cd for $11.00? I have
> it all on vinyl...I think. Anybody think so?

I'd buy it for $11 and I already own it . . . :-)

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:48:13 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jeff A Hamilton)
Subject: (ztt) daft!

On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:29:48 -0800 (PST) [e-mail] (jon masciana)
writes:

>>> By the way, is the Daft collection worth getting on cd for $11.00? I
have it all on vinyl...I think. Anybody think so? <<<

Yes - considering I've never see it for less than $16.00. Also, it's the
only way to get the "Into Battle" music on CD (with the exception of -
I've said it a dozen times in the past 48 hours - "Battle" and
"Beatbox"). I have it all on vinyl too, but I never play it 'cause I want
it to last forever. (yeah...)

P.S. - I agree that "Ambient" was pretty faithful - unlike "FON" and
especially "D&B".

Speaking of which - (and this is way off topic - why don't you reply
personally if you want) has anyone heard the Youth-produced symphonic
Zeppelin tracks? I want some opinions before I shell out $$$$.


Jeff Hamilton, the Capitalist
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