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From: Mason Wendell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Elliot Sharp/Zeena Parkins at the Middle East down on 7/6
Date: 02 Jul 1996 07:25:15 -0400

Hello to all Zorn-listers and Boss-improv-listers!

Elliot Sharp and Zeena Parkins (together known as "Psycho-acoustic")
will be making the great journey from NYC to Boston on July 6 for a rare
appearance at the Middle East downstairs. E# is a multi-insrumentalist,
playing anything from doubleneck guitar/bass, to clarinet, to
instruments that he makes himself. Zeena Parkins plays electric harp (an
instrument which she designed)and to paraphrase Ellliot, "It's not just
the sound of the electric harp, it's the sound of Zeena's electric
harp." As Psycho-acoustic they have toured Eupope and Japan but this is
their first appearance in the Boston area.

My group Prelapse will also be playing this show. We'll be doing a set
of pieces that John Zorn wrote for Naked City. yes, we are Zorn-approved
#;-).  Our set will consist of material that NC never played or
recorded. Our CD on Avant will be in stores sometime in the coming
months.

Also on the bill will be Debris, who I'm sure are not unknown to folks
on the Boss-improv list. Suffice to say that dull sounds are not in
their vocabulary.

And finally, their will be Saturnalia, making their first appearance
ever. I heard some tracks of their's last night, and I can't tell you
what to expect on Saturday. That's a compliment.

So come on down to hear some great music.
--
**************************************************************
*                       Mason Wendell                        *
*                     bassist,composer                       *
*Prelapse- Naked City's music and new music for loud ensemble*
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: "Live In China 100 CD set"
Date: 06 Jul 1996 13:53:06 -0400

This just in from the 7/96 issue of the Wire. Page 63, 1/4 page ad:

John Zorn + Yamantaka Eye "Live in China" 100 CDs set"
The most ambitious and profound project recorded live during their 95
Chinatour: personally arranged & edited by Zorn, to be released as 100 CDs
sets in an limited edition of 1000 with different length of music on each CD.
Available on 5th September 96 from Sound Factory Records, 3/F, Seaview
Centre, 139-141 Hoi Bun Road, Kwun Tong, Kowloon, Hong Kong. Tel [phone]
8678 Fax [phone] e-mail: [e-mail]. pre-release mail
order: US $250 (inc. P&P registered) after release mail order: US $350 (inc.
P&P registered).

1000 box sets of 100 cds is a lot. Good luck Sound Factory. Perhaps a "best
of" will be released on Tzadik or Avant in 2000. In any case Zorn heads, save
those pennies! See ya'll in Central Park!

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From: Tom Benton <[e-mail]>
Subject: BaronDown
Date: 07 Jul 1996 23:15:13 -0500 (CDT)

I just wanted to see if perhaps anyone out there in the rest of the world
happenned to have taped Barondown at the What Is Jazz fest last Sunday.
I've heard glorious things about this show and just thought I would ask.
If that's the case then drop me a line, I'll send over a list..

-T

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From: Barry Gilbert <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: "Live In China 100 CD set"
Date: 08 Jul 1996 07:12:20 -0500

-- [ From: Barry Gilbert * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --

I just received back an e-mail from Sound Factory.  They said that the set
will be delayed until at least next spring.  Oh well.  It gives me more
time to "save those pennies"!

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This just in from the 7/96 issue of the Wire. Page 63, 1/4 page ad:

John Zorn + Yamantaka Eye "Live in China" 100 CDs set" The most ambitious
and profound project recorded live during their 95 Chinatour: personally
arranged & edited by Zorn, to be released as 100 CDs sets in an limited
edition of 1000 with different length of music on each CD. Available on 5th
September 96 from Sound Factory Records, 3/F, Seaview Centre, 139-141 Hoi
Bun Road, Kwun Tong, Kowloon, Hong Kong. Tel [phone] Fax [phone]
5755 e-mail: [e-mail]. pre-release mail order: US $250 (inc.
P&P registered) after release mail order: US $350 (inc. P&P registered).

1000 box sets of 100 cds is a lot. Good luck Sound Factory. Perhaps a "best
of" will be released on Tzadik or Avant in 2000. In any case Zorn heads,
save those pennies! See ya'll in Central Park!

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From: simon <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: "Live In China 100 CD set"
Date: 08 Jul 1996 16:14:50 +0100

I understand that this 100 CD set comes on a stick, threaded through the =
cd's. I also understand that 'various lengths' means that some CD's may =
be only 5 seconds long! I want one.

simon

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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Frisell acoustic group
Date: 08 Jul 1996 17:20:24 +0200 (METDST)

What's the lineup for the Bill Frisell Acoustic Group?

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From: RichardLadew <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada in Central Park
Date: 08 Jul 1996 13:04:07 -0400


    How 'bout a report from those of you who saw Masada in Central Park?
due to extremely bad planning and poor timing, I missed Masada's opening
set, arriving in time to see Douglas and Zorn play one brief tune with Cibo
Matto.  I am deathly curious about what they played, said etc...  Could
anyone help me out?


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From: RichardLadew <[e-mail]>
Subject: Filmworks 2
Date: 08 Jul 1996 13:15:20 -0400


     Just picked up the John Zorn Filmworks 2: music for an untitled film by
Walter Hill cd on Tzadik.  So, what do you other Zorniacs think?  Has anyone
seen this film?  Aside from interesting instrumentation (didjeridu, banjo,
harps, turntables, the great
variations of musical styles (somber to dance mixes), and musicians we all
love including David Shea, Marc Ribot, Anthony Coleman, and others, I was
REALLY impressed with
the packaging and the artwork.  Like Filmworks 1 (not suprisingly) and Naked
City's ABSINTHE, the paper had that rough-grained texture to it.  Ikue Mori
is credited with the cover design, but who did all of the different
paintings.  I have always been impressed with the artwork/layout of AVANT,
TZADIK, and DIW releases, but this is one of the best I have seen in awhile:
Cross-sections of heads showing intrinsic nose bones, parts of the brain
(you can see grey matter and white matter, the corpus calossum, etc) and
many other details remind me of all the very well drawn medical and
anatomical diagrams and pictures I have studied at college.

    Anyway, just wanted to get other people's opinions on this one.  Also:
what do people think of some of the other new, recent, and older tzadik
releases (no one seems to be discussing Mike Patton Evyand (sp?) Kang,
Tatsyua Yoshida, the Zorn archival releases (First recordings, Red Bird
etc...), Ground Zero (Otomo Yoshidie is amazing), Ikue Mori, David Shea,
etc..  So lets talk about more recordings!

Much respect,
Rich

 P.s.  Have any of you gotten to listen to the New Melt Banana cd on
Skin>graft? Albini recorded, KK Null of Zeni Geva and Jim O'Rourke are guests,
and the songs are all-out assaults on your senses that, pardon the
expression, fucking rock!


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From: scott mclemore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BaronDown
Date: 08 Jul 1996 13:51:10 -0400 (EDT)

    Good luck finding a tape, Tom.  I guess for me the memory of that
night will do.  I was very impressed with the What is Jazz? that I saw.
But to be honest, Ray Anderson doesn't really do it for me in that group.
He seemed to get in the way at times.  Ellery is such an incredible
player, but I definately dug him more with  Steve Swell next to him.  I
heard that they did a tour with Josh Roseman, which would've been cool to
hear.
    Biblio's, the bookstore down the street, was housing Human Feel
that night.  I was very glad to hear those guys again.  Their music makes
me feel good.  It's so textural.
    That's all.

Scott McLemore - Drummer/Composer



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From: scott mclemore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada in Central Park
Date: 08 Jul 1996 13:59:28 -0400 (EDT)

    Well, it was like this, "SquuuuuaaaaaaaaaaaKYYYYYYYYY!" Just kidding.
I don't know the names of the tunes they played.  But, it was a wonderful
set.  Unfortunately, I was having a migrane headache and had to split
halfway through Cibbo Matto.  Joey wasn't playing, which at first made me
frown, but later didn't matter, becuase Micheal Sarin is a good drummer.
The last thing they played rocked the house.  It was seemingly completely
free, and very intense. They sounded like a great band that has fun
playing music.

Scott McLemore - Drummer/Composer


On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, RichardLadew wrote:

>
>     How 'bout a report from those of you who saw Masada in Central Park?
> due to extremely bad planning and poor timing, I missed Masada's opening
> set, arriving in time to see Douglas and Zorn play one brief tune with Cibo
> Matto.  I am deathly curious about what they played, said etc...  Could
> anyone help me out?
>
>

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Masada in Central Park
Date: 08 Jul 1996 19:12:13 -0400

Being a snob that hates outdoor concerts (it was hot as hell Saturday) I was
pleasantly surprised. Masada were very good ( although not as good as sitting
inside the Knitting Factory 2 feet from the musicians), their set was pretty
straight ahead (don't ask me about titles), and recognizable from their
recorded repotoire. Much to Mr. Zorn's displeasure, Summerstage concerts are
videotaped. He spent part of the first song flipping them off and finally,
kicking them off the stage. Wow, what integrity! Actually it was very funny.
Dave Douglas is/was amazing, Joey wasn't there. Gregg Cohen rocked. 60
minutes of free bliss. Dave & John were guests of Cibo Matto for one song.
Cibo Matto are cute and good for a few songs but overall very tedious.  Yoko
Ono was a little disapointing. I saw her at the Knit a few months ago and it
was one of my favorite shows ever. This one was less intense with Sean
playing more keyboards and less guitar. I left early because of the heat but
as I was leaving John and Dave joined Yoko and IMA for "Rise" which sounded
beautiful ringing through Central Park. Next Saturday is the Mr. Bill show.
Bill Laswell with a cast of many, all for free in Central Park 3PM. I can't
go and I am pissed!!!!

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From: [e-mail] (matt galloway)
Subject: live in china
Date: 08 Jul 1996 19:32:07 -0400

this "special limited offer" was the source of unlimited hilarity here over
the weekend. 100 CDs of various lengths... for $350!!! i'm dying. please
stop.

mg



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From: [e-mail] (Frankco Lamerikx)
Subject: Mike Patton and such
Date: 09 Jul 1996 10:13:39 +0200 (MET DST)

I want to kick in on the suggestion that more Tzadik records should be
discussed on this list.

Although I only have a couple, I feel free to comment on the following:

The Mike Patton album is a product of sheer brilliance. All those who still
thought Mike was a popstar prankster pulling the avant-garde joke sometimes
are set straight by this record. 34 themes of unrivalled ingenuity. Although
the liner notes say it was recorded with the aid of voice and microphone only,
I suspect there is a stack of sound effects involved as well. The most amazing
thing is the way the titles reflect the feel of each theme. Thus, "Inconsolable
Widows in Search of Distraction" actually sounds like a bunch of widows hunting
down a bachelor, and "Porno Holocaust" sounds just like, well, you get the
picture. The concepts of voice and language taken to an extreme.
Although I read in a review that Phil Minton has done this before and better,
I think the album is a classic in its own right. It is by no means easy
listening, but to me it is thoroughly enjoyable.

John Zorn's Redbird - I probably find this the best Zorn solo record I own.
(with solo I mean solo composition, as opposed to a band setting such as Naked
City). Although the two compositions on it can only be fully appreciated if
you own high-end audio equipment, it guarantees moments of beauty on any set.
The first track is an 8:52 piece for 4 bass drums, very, very low, pulsating.
This acts as a natural entry phase for the 41:01 second track, a minimal
composition for traditional instruments. Very relaxing, and not a second too
long in my opinion. It has some kind of Feldman-like feel to it. Redbird is
quite the opposite of Naked City, so people who are into that should listen to
it first before buying.

If you like Redbird, you'll most surely enjoy Jim O'Rourke's "Terminal Pharmacy"
as well. Electro-acoustic music of stunning quality. Especially the first
track, Cede, a 41:30 voyage through realms of beautifully crafted sounds.
The music constantly fades in and out, much like Mr. Bungle's "The Bends".
While most of the sounds make you wonder where O'Rourke got them from, there's
snippets of guitar and intercepted telephone conversations (a concept Scanner
has taken to the extreme) flying around. I only got this record, with its
references to minimal music and musique concrete, recently, and it has
quickly turned into one of my favorites of the past year.

Mystic Fugu Orchestra - Zohar. Nice listening if you wade through the crackle of
the 78 rpm records that dominates this mini album. I wouldn't care for a full
length album of such material, but since this only lasts 23:40 I find it quite
enjoyable to put on every once in a while. In a way, it is a very relaxing
album. The only instruments used are a harmonium, played by Zorn, and Yamatsuka
Eye's voice, who for once does not scream. Enjoyable, but not essential.

Does anyone have anything to say about the Eyvind Kang album?

Frankco.

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From: temptation <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: live in china
Date: 09 Jul 1996 12:50:40 +0200 (GMT+0200)

On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, matt galloway wrote:

> this "special limited offer" was the source of unlimited hilarity here over
> the weekend. 100 CDs of various lengths... for $350!!! i'm dying. please
> stop.
>
> mg

Well, I saw an advert for the set at the latest edition of Wire, so
somebody sure is taking the set seriously :) :) :)

 teemu

        from: Teemu ---> [e-mail]
    'I can't forget...
             but I don't remember what'
             -Leonard Cohen-


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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Null and Tzadik
Date: 09 Jul 1996 16:18:55 +0200 (METDST)

> While most of the sounds make you wonder where O'Rourke got them from,
> there's snippets of guitar and intercepted telephone conversations flying
> around.
He thanks "everyone with a cellular phone at harlem and laurence"

I haven't heard the new Melt-Banana record, did KK Null also produce that one?
I was a bit disappointed by "Nai-Ha" by Zeni Geva. I heard Null was a "extreme
guitar noise terror god" (or something like that), but "Nai-Ha" sounds like
a not-to-special metal album to me (a pretty good one, though...). Is his
"Guitar Organism" album better? He plays with Jim O'Rourke, Fred Frith and the
guy from Melt-Banana on it. Is it improvised?
To bad that none of Nulls concerts with Zorn were recorded.
I heard that Melt-Banana were going to work with Elliot Sharp, annybody know
about that? A Zorn/Melt-Banana collarboration would be nice...

Who is Jon and Yuka Honda? I saw that they have upcomming cds on Tzadik.

> Mystic Fugu Orchestra: Zohar
I like "Zohar". Only problem is that the record noise stops between the songs.
I think the concept would have worked better, if there had been record noise,
all the way trough it.

> Ground Zero: Null and Void
"Null and Void" is also great. It has a lot of different music, from quiet
backwards piano, to noise.
On a few of the songs, it seems like Otomo is stretching his ideas a bit to
much. They would have been better if they were a few minutes shorter...

Jonas

BTW Zorn and David Shea wrote the music for a film called "Pleasure For The
One", is that the one also know as "The Elegant Spanking" or are they two
different films?

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From: RichardLadew <[e-mail]>
Subject: Filmworks/Trespass
Date: 09 Jul 1996 10:52:37 -0400

Does anyone know more about this film "Trespass?"  It isn't that movie with
Ice-T and Ice Cube is it?  I guess that would be a sort of interesting bit
of trivia.


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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fred Frith
Date: 09 Jul 1996 17:03:52 +0200 (METDST)

Can anybody recommend me some of Fred Friths records (other than Naked
City) ?

Jonas

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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Filmworks/Trespass
Date: 09 Jul 1996 17:49:41 +0200 (METDST)



On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, RichardLadew wrote:

> Does anyone know more about this film "Trespass?"  It isn't that movie with
> Ice-T and Ice Cube is it?  I guess that would be a sort of interesting bit
> of trivia.

                              Trespass (1992)

                               USA 1992 Color

                                 * * * * *

   Sound Mix: Dolby SR
   Genre(s)/keyword(s): Thriller / Action / ghetto
   Language(s): English
   Certification: USA:R

   Also Known As:
          Looters (1992)
     _________________________________________________________________

   Directed by
          Walter Hill

   Cast (in credits order) probably complete
          Bill Paxton .... Vince
          Ice-T .... King James
          William Sadler .... Don
          Ice Cube .... Savon
          Art Evans .... Bradlee
          De'voreaux White .... Lucky
          Bruce A. Young .... Raymond
          Glenn Plummer .... Luther
          Stoney Jackson .... Wickey
          T.E. Russell .... Video
          John Toles-Bey .... Goose
          Byron Minns .... Moon
          Tico Wells .... Davis
          Hal Landon Jr. .... Eugene DeLong
          James Pickens Jr. .... Police Officer Reese
          L. Warren Young .... Police Officer Foley
          rest of cast listed alphabetically
          Tom 'Tiny' Lister Jr.

   Written by
          Bob Gale
          Robert Zemeckis

   Production Design by
          Jon Hutman

   Produced by
          Bob Gale (executive)

            Copyright 1990-1996 The Internet Movie Database Ltd

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From: steven <[e-mail]>
Subject: Eyvind Kang
Date: 09 Jul 1996 12:20:27 -0400 (EDT)

Hey,

  Eyving Kang's "7 NADEs" is amazing!!! Especially "Angel With Wings torn
off." For those of you who like Eyvind Kang, he plays violin on a 35 minute
song on the Sun City Girls 2CD 330,003 Crossdresser From Beyond The Rig
Veda, which is also great, just thought I'd point that out. I listened to
the new Melt Banana and did'nt think much of it. I kept hearing so many
great things about it and was very dissapointed. WheneverI go to a tape
trading place on the Net that has Zorn tapes and videos they never will
trade for what I have, that's because I don't have anything, will anyone do
a 2 for 1 or work out some sort of deal with me, all I've got two KF shows,
Saal Felden Festival and a show in Germany.

  Thanks

Jed
[e-mail]


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From: scott mclemore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Null and Tzadik
Date: 09 Jul 1996 12:51:55 -0400 (EDT)

I think Yuka Honda is one of the girls from Cibbo Matto...but I could
always be wrong.

Scott McLemore - Drummer/Composer



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From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fred Frith
Date: 09 Jul 1996 19:33:01 -0400 (EDT)



On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Torsten Nielsen wrote:

> Can anybody recommend me some of Fred Friths records (other than Naked
> City) ?
>
> Jonas

Well, I imagine that there are more knowledgable Frith fans on this list
than me, but I'll give it a shot:

Henry Cow's _Unrest_ is the finest improv-rock record I've ever heard.
It's currently available on East Side Digital, along with Cow's other
studio records.  All of these are worth buying, with the exception of _In
Praise of Learning_, which comes off way too mannered for my taste.

The Art Bears' _Winter Songs_ is much more song-oriented and is very much
a studio construct.  Great songs, though, and the music is powerfully
disturbing.  I'm not sure if this is in print.

Skeleton Crew's _The Country of Blinds_ is a nice song-oriented trio
record with Tom Cora and Zeena Parkins.  Not as powerful a piece of work
as either of the above but still very, very well done.  Again, I'm not
sure if this one's in print.

Finally, Zorn/Frith's _The Art of Memory_ on Incus is, in my opinion, an
excellent duo free improv record in the vein of early Derek Bailey/Evan
Parker collaborations.

Happy hunting!

Chris Hamilton


Christopher J. Hamilton
Dept. of Philosophy
University of Pittsburgh
USA






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From: Stephane Vuilleumier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fred Frith
Date: 10 Jul 1996 08:33:31 +0200

>
>On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Torsten Nielsen wrote:
>
>> Can anybody recommend me some of Fred Friths records (other than Naked
>> City) ?
>>
>> Jonas
>

At 19,33 9.07.96 -0400, Chris Hamilton wrote:

>Well, I imagine that there are more knowledgable Frith fans on this list
>than me, but I'll give it a shot:
>
I agree with what Chris Hamilton said! A few additions:

>Henry Cow's _Unrest_ is the finest improv-rock record I've ever heard.
>It's currently available on East Side Digital, along with Cow's other
>studio records.  All of these are worth buying, with the exception of _In
>Praise of Learning_, which comes off way too mannered for my taste.
>
>The Art Bears' _Winter Songs_ is much more song-oriented and is very much
>a studio construct.  Great songs, though, and the music is powerfully
>disturbing.  I'm not sure if this is in print.

this should still be available as a ReR CD reissue:

103 - WINTER SONGS/THE WORLD AS IT IS TODAY: Art Bears
 1988 - ReR Megacorp (UK), ReR abCD (CD)

>Skeleton Crew's _The Country of Blinds_ is a nice song-oriented trio
>record with Tom Cora and Zeena Parkins.  Not as powerful a piece of work
>as either of the above but still very, very well done.  Again, I'm not
>sure if this one's in print.

This is available as a CD reissue from RecRec together with the other
Skeleton Crew album:

128 - LEARN TO TALK/COUNTRY OF BLINDS: Skeleton Crew
1990 - RecRec Music (Switzerland), ReCDec 5-12 (CD)
Note: compilation re-issue CD minus 1 song from each LP

>Finally, Zorn/Frith's _The Art of Memory_ on Incus is, in my opinion, an
>excellent duo free improv record in the vein of early Derek Bailey/Evan
>Parker collaborations.
>
>Happy hunting!
>
>Chris Hamilton
>

Old favourites of mine:

Massacre "Killing Time" as a CD reissue on RecRec (with extra tracks)

045 - KILLING TIME: Massacre
1993 - RecRec Music (Switzerland), ReCDec 906 (CD)

Akqsak Maboul / un peu de l'ame des bandits, just reissued
(1996) on Crammed records (Belgium)
with one bonus track from les tueurs de la lune de miel:

026 - UN PEU DE L'AME DES BANDITS: Aqsak Maboul
1979 - Kamikaze (Belgium), private pressing (LP)
1979 - Crammed Discs (Belgium), Atem/Crammed 002 (LP)
XXX - cram 002 (CD)


Frith played with so many people - Patrice told me recently
the number of records he plays on now reaches 200!..

 The soundtrack to the great documentary film on Frith
"Step Across The Border" has him featured with many different people:

129 - STEP ACROSS THE BORDER: Fred Frith
 1990 - RecRec Music (Switzerland), reCDec 30 (CD)
 1991 - East Side Digital (USA), EAS80462 (CD)


Recent very good stuff:

Especially "Death Ambient" with Ikue Mori on Tzadik,

XXX - DEATH AMBIENT: Kato Hideki, Ikue Mori, Fred Frith.
1995 - Tzadik (USA) TZ7207 (CD)

and also "Nil" with Kowald/Niggli/many others on Unit Records (Switzerland):
XXX - NIL: Scholl/Erismann/Niggli & Frith/Koch/Kowald
1995 - UNIT RECORDS (Switzerland) UTR 4083 CD

His latest:
XXX - ALLIES: Fred Frith

    1/ Rifka                                      9:36
    2/ Small Mercy I                              4:25
    3/ Nenad                                      7:52
    4/ A rock and a hard place                    6:17
    5/ Davor and Dzeneta                          6:24
    6/ Small Mercy II                             6:02

Joey Baron: drums; George Cartwright: alto sax; Tom Cora:
cello; Fred Frith: other instruments and drum programmes.

  Commissioned by Bebe Miller and Dancers, composed and recorded
at
  BC Studios in the summer of 1989, premiered at the Brooklyn
  Academy of Music's "Next Wave" series in november 1989.
Revised
  and remixed at the Fabrik, Munich, in August, 1995.

  Note: dedicated to Daniel Waldner, "For Daniel, with love and
  gratitude".

  Note: subtitled "Music for Dance, Vol. 2". No idea what Vol. 1
        was...

1996 - RecRec Music (Switzerland) RecDec 70 (CD)


Happy listening,

Stephane




Stephane Vuilleumier
Mikrobiologisches Institut
ETH-Zurich                  Tel:   [phone]
ETH-Zentrum/LFV             Fax:   [phone]
8092 Zurich                 email: [e-mail]
Switzerland                 http://www.micro.biol.ethz.ch/sv1.htm



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From: temptation <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fred Frith
Date: 10 Jul 1996 10:10:40 +0200 (GMT+0200)

On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Torsten Nielsen wrote:

> Can anybody recommend me some of Fred Friths records (other than Naked=20
> City) ? =20
>=20
> Jonas

Every record under his own name (that I can remember now), including:

 'Cheap At Half The Price' - The best lo-fi pop ever? Recorded on 4-track=
=20
at home with Frith playing almost all instruments (including Casio=20
organs, bass, guitar, etc...). The results are wonderfully fuzzy and=20
psychedelic and very infectious pop songs. (How many of you have found=20
yourself humming 'Some Clouds Don=ABt' over and over again...)

'Gravity' - Great folk-music-influenced album

'Speechless' - one of my favourites... Relies more on collage than the=20
others.

'Guitar Solos' - I mean the new-ish CD re-release which compiles a=20
best-of from the original 3 LPs. Mindblowing...

There=ABs propably many more. The =ABDeath Ambient=AB CD with Ikue Mori and=
 the=20
bass player (can=ABt remember the name now) is also very good. Spookiest=20
ambient you have ever heard... :)

 teemu

=09=09from: Teemu ---> [e-mail]
=09'I can't forget...
   =09      but I don't remember what'
=09=09     -Leonard Cohen-


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From: [e-mail] (Todd Bramy)
Subject: Frith
Date: 10 Jul 1996 01:07:06 -0700

My favorite Frith record is still "Speachless" on Ralph. I have the LP, but
I do believe it's available on CD though on a different label. Anyone know
for sure?

Todd

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Todd Bramy
Seattle, Wa
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From: [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Re: Null and Tzadik
Date: 10 Jul 1996 05:48:29 -0500

>I was a bit disappointed by "Nai-Ha" by Zeni Geva. I heard Null was a "extreme
>guitar noise terror god" (or something like that), but "Nai-Ha" sounds like
>a not-to-special metal album to me (a pretty good one, though...).

So what is an "extreme guitar noise terror god" supposed to sound like?
Were you expecting Merzbow spewed forth from a guitar?  Zeni Geva is a
metal band (in the general sense of the word) so don't expect anything
groundbreaking ... but they are also much more than that.  To truly
experience ZG (Null's version of rock 'n' roll) one must see them live ...
the volume level of the music, the density of their sound, the precise time
changes, and the musical range of the band are amazing.  When I last saw
them, they covered an Italian anti-fascist song.  Check out their "Total
Castration" CD (Public Bath) and "Autofuck/When I Was On Horseback" 7"
(Skin Graft) to catch them at their best.

To hear Null's guitar/ultrasonik work, which is always more extreme &
experimental than anything he's done with ZG, check out his solo
recordings.  They are definitely noisy, but they are not NOISE (as in
Merzbow, Masonna, Aube, Incapacitants, C.C.C.C. et al) ... In fact, Null
hates being classified as such.  His "Saishiyu Bushitsu" LP (reissue on
Forced Exposure) from 1985, "Sonic Fuck USA" CD (Nux), "Flying Serpent" 10"
(4th Dimension), "Heavy Water" 7" (4th Dim), "Cryonics" 7" (Table of the
Elements), split 7"s with Lull (Alleysweeper), "Ultimate Material II" 2LP
(Dirter Promotions), "Ultimate Material III" CD (Manifold), "Absolute
Heaven" CD (Nux/Charnel) or his mid-eighties work with ANP (Absolut Null
Punkt) ... "Ultrasoinc Action" live album (Nux) are all great places to
start.

His collaborative releases contain some brilliant improv & ambient (for
lack of a better word) guitarwork.  Check out his two most well known split
albums, "New Kind Of Water" (Nux/Charnel) with Jim O'Rourke and "Aurora"
(Sentrax) with Jimmy Plotkin from Old.

>Is his "Guitar Organism" album better? He plays with Jim O'Rourke, Fred
>Frith >and the guy from Melt-Banana on it. Is it improvised?

It's definitely improvised, but I wouldn't say that this makes it any
better than his work with ZG ... you can't really compare the two.  IMO,
this record is amazing!  The track with Frith, "Where We Exist", was
recorded live in Tokyo in 1990, and reminds me of their older split
cassette "20,000V Live".  The O'Rourke piece, "Neuro Politics", is light
years ahead of "New Kind Of Water", if that says anything.  This is a loud,
noisy & chaotic recording, but it also has some mellower moments.
Recommended.


-Patrick










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From: Andy Marks <[e-mail]>
Subject: Live in China 100 CD set
Date: 10 Jul 1996 08:08:28

I have a few questions/comments about this "Live in China 100 CD set".

Will all sets be the same or is each unique?
   Most likely the same I would think, but I don't know for sure.
   You never know.

Will each CD contain only one track?
   This might be easier to produce if there were only one track per CD.
   I would think that there would but again, I don't actually know.

Guesses on the total length of this monster?
   I was thinking about 2 hrs worth of stuff.

Is this whole thing for real or it is a joke?
   Sounds kinda funky, but you never really know with Zorn.

E-mail: [e-mail]
Time: 8:8:28 AM

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From: "D.J. Toman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Derek & the Ruins
Date: 10 Jul 1996 21:32:45 GMT

Hi y'all,

I'm wondering, since the only store in town that has Tzadik CDs only ordered
ONE of each album, if I should pick up Derek & the Ruins?  I don't like
_Yankees_ too much, nor much else I've heard with Derek Baily, except parts
of _Harras_.  I'm wondering if The Ruins make the album worth hearing.  Can
anyone help?

David


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From: [e-mail] (Matt Colonnese)
Subject: Re: Null and Tzadik
Date: 10 Jul 1996 10:48:11 -0400

Kinda getting off topic but I'm very curious

>When I last saw
>them, they covered an Italian anti-fascist song

Does anyone know the name or anything about this song, cause it also
appears at the end of the RuinsHatoba album (after 20minutes of chanting)
in version that just blows me away.  It's the closest I've ever heard to
what I would imagine a gypsy-punk tune would sound like. Anyway when I saw
ZG they played it.  Is this song popular in the Japanese underground or
something?  What's going on?



------
"Finally, something that would bring people together...even if it kept them
apart, spatially."



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From: 9208743d <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Live in China 100 CD set
Date: 11 Jul 1996 12:12:57 +0930 (GMT+0930)



On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, Andy Marks wrote:

> I have a few questions/comments about this "Live in China 100 CD set".
>
> Is this whole thing for real or it is a joke?
>    Sounds kinda funky, but you never really know with Zorn.
>
> -------------------------------------
>
>
to the best of my knowledge, SOUND FACTORY (the record label which
produce the 100 cd set) is the distributer of Tzadik and Avant releases in
Hong Kong. the label also carries many of otomo yoshihide's
stuff and more. so it is a "legit" record company. although i have no
affiliation with SF whatsoever, but i think the 100 CD set is possibly
not a joke, though it certainly sounds pretty excessive to me.

vincent
[e-mail]

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From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: a great show...
Date: 12 Jul 1996 15:24:24 -0500

   I'm listening to Masada at CBGB's, 9.9.94 with Zorn, Ribot, and John
Medeski on organ and Billy Martin on drums right now.  This show is so
incredible, the reworkings of the songs for different instrumentations is
brilliant, and they jam HARD.  I really recommend everyone find tapes of
this show.....
  Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album, then
go see them live. I recommend 'Friday Afternoon in the Universe'.  Their
live show is not to be believed until you've seen it for yourself....These
guys could change the face of modern music, especially if their following
grows any larger than it is already.


















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From: [e-mail] (matt galloway)
Subject: medeski, martin & wood
Date: 12 Jul 1996 20:17:03 -0400

re:
  Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album, then
go see them live...These guys could change the face of modern music,
especially if their following grows any larger than it is already.

Change the face of modern music? Only because they're part of some hip
downtown scene. half-assed rehashes of Dark Magus/Get Up With It-era Miles
Davis might be more like it, only Miles et al. did it without the
self-conscious funkiness.

mg



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From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: medeski, martin & wood
Date: 12 Jul 1996 20:43:24 -0500

>re:
>  Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album, then
>go see them live...These guys could change the face of modern music,
>especially if their following grows any larger than it is already.
>
>Change the face of modern music? Only because they're part of some hip
>downtown scene. half-assed rehashes of Dark Magus/Get Up With It-era Miles
>Davis might be more like it, only Miles et al. did it without the
>self-conscious funkiness.

  You just have absolutely no clue, guy.



















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From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: medeski, martin & wood
Date: 12 Jul 1996 20:45:04 -0500

>re:
>  Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album, then
>go see them live...These guys could change the face of modern music,
>especially if their following grows any larger than it is already.
>
>Change the face of modern music? Only because they're part of some hip
>downtown scene. half-assed rehashes of Dark Magus/Get Up With It-era Miles
>Davis might be more like it, only Miles et al. did it without the
>self-conscious funkiness.

  You just don't have a clue, guy.


















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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: a great show...
Date: 12 Jul 1996 21:59:00 -0400

In a message dated 96-07-12 16:37:03 EDT, you write:

>    I'm listening to Masada at CBGB's, 9.9.94 with Zorn, Ribot, and John
>  Medeski on organ and Billy Martin on drums right now.  This show is so
>  incredible, the reworkings of the songs for different instrumentations is
>  brilliant, and they jam HARD.  I really recommend everyone find tapes of
>  this show.....

I also recommend 9/19/93 Knitting Factory with Ribot.  They did sound alot
different than the current Masada.

>    Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album,
then
>  go see them live. I recommend 'Friday Afternoon in the Universe'.  Their
>  live show is not to be believed until you've seen it for yourself....These
>  guys could change the face of modern music, especially if their following
>  grows any larger than it is already.

MMW are great, I have all their albums, I'm on their list, and I have many
live tapes of them.  But they will never change the face of modern music.
 Their growing following is made up mostly of young people who think what
they are doing is totally new, when its not.  It is still great, however.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Frisell acoustic group
Date: 12 Jul 1996 21:57:12 -0400

In a message dated 96-07-08 11:30:28 EDT, you write:

> What's the lineup for the Bill Frisell Acoustic Group?
>

What are you referring to??  Is this a current group?  I thought he was still
busy with his new quartet with Eyvind Kang, Ron Miles and Hank Roberts.  He
doesnt play any acoustic with that group.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Masada in Central Park
Date: 12 Jul 1996 21:58:57 -0400

Masada did play an amazing set.  Zorn definitely does not like being
videotaped.  After he told the camera men off, he picks up the mic and says
"We dont wanna be videotaped, we came to play for YOU!".  Then he walked back
over to his spot on the stage and dropped the mic straight down.  He dropped
the mic again at the end of their set.  I guess you could call it integrity,
but its all part of his downtown bad boy of jazz image.  I'm not knocking him
in any way, dont get me wrong.
I dont know the tunes by name, but I do know that they played Hobah.  And the
new drummer did a good job.
I was planning on going to Laswell's show tomorrow, but I dont think its
going to happen, with the storm headed this way.  Major bummer.  Remember
that buckethead is playing at the Wetlands on Monday.  Maybe Bill will drop
by and sit in.  But Fred Frith will be at the Knit tomorrow, so it may be a
musically worthwhile day afterall.  It sure is nice living near a great music
scene. :)

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From: David Newgarden <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada in Central Park
Date: 12 Jul 1996 23:57:41 -0400 (EDT)


> I was planning on going to Laswell's show tomorrow, but I dont think its
> going to happen, with the storm headed this way.  Major bummer.  Remember
> that buckethead is playing at the Wetlands on Monday.  Maybe Bill will drop
> by and sit in.  But Fred Frith will be at the Knit tomorrow, so it may be a
> musically worthwhile day afterall.  It sure is nice living near a great music
> scene. :)
>
Also recommended tomorrow (Saturday) -- Zorn, Zeena Parkins, Ikue Mori,
Keiji Haino and Suzie Ibarra (terrific young drummer from David S. Ware
Quartet and William Parker's big band -- she's a student of Milford
Graves)  @ Context Studios on Ave. A near 3rd. St.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Zorn/Haino and company
Date: 13 Jul 1996 01:23:25 -0400

<<Also recommended tomorrow (Saturday) -- Zorn, Zeena Parkins, Ikue Mori,
Keiji Haino and Suzie Ibarra (terrific young drummer from David S. Ware
Quartet and William Parker's big band -- she's a student of Milford Graves)
 @ Context Studios on Ave. A near 3rd. St. >>

I saw this show Friday night. If you can get there tomorrow, don't miss it.
It had kind of a Company Week feel to it, with different combinations of the
five musicians improvising on each piece. Haino's presence seemed to inspire
Zorn and the others. Early in the show Zorn played for about twenty minutes
straight, at his loudest and squawkiest. It was the most I've ever enjoyed
Zorn live. Haino mostly played guitar, with no vocalizing. On one piece,
though, he played some instrument that looked like a small portable
xylophone, but resonated like a gong and sounded almost electroacoustic in
its timbre. (I'd love to know what that instrument was, if anyone has a
clue.) The other musicians were also pretty great, with Susie Ibarra living
up to advance billing. There were also six dancers seemingly improvising
along with the musicians. All in all, a pretty remarkable show. If you're
going and you're sensitive to lousd volume, bring earplugs. Keiji Haino can
get pretty loud.

Jon

P.S. I saw Medeski, Martin, Wood open for Masada a few years ago at the
Cooler and thought they sucked. But who cares? If you like them, more power
to you. It seems like a silly discussion.

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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bill Frisell Acoustic Quartet
Date: 13 Jul 1996 14:51:45 +0200 (METDST)

>> What's the lineup for the Bill Frisell Acoustic Group?
>What are you referring to??

I saw some festival programs with gigs for B.F.A.G, but I now think that it
was a mistake, because I know he's touring with the Kang/Miles/Fowlkes
Quartet...

> busy with his new quartet with Eyvind Kang, Ron Miles and Hank Roberts.

Hank Roberts?!??! what about Curtis Fowlkes?

Jonas

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Bill Frisell Acoustic Quartet
Date: 13 Jul 1996 10:29:53 -0400

Of course it's Curtis Fowlkes, my mistake.  I've seen them twice, I should
have known!  I was listening to a tape that had Hank Roberts, and the name
was just stuck in my head.

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From: [e-mail] (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: medeski, martin & wood
Date: 13 Jul 1996 09:59:17 -0800

>re:
>  Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album, then
>go see them live...These guys could change the face of modern music,
>especially if their following grows any larger than it is already.
>
>Change the face of modern music? Only because they're part of some hip
>downtown scene. half-assed rehashes of Dark Magus/Get Up With It-era Miles
>Davis might be more like it, only Miles et al. did it without the
>self-conscious funkiness.
>
>mg

Absolutely! I've never really gotten into Medeski et al, they've always
struck me as a kind of downtown-lite, watered down for mass consumption.
The deadhead contingent in my area have picked up on them, and I get sick
of hearing them described as some extreme form of jazz from people who've
never heard Zorn, Ribot, etc.

________________________________________________________
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Eyvind Kang
Date: 13 Jul 1996 09:59:22 -0800

>Hey,
>
>  Eyving Kang's "7 NADEs" is amazing!!! Especially "Angel With Wings torn
>off." For those of you who like Eyvind Kang, he plays violin on a 35 minute
>song on the Sun City Girls 2CD 330,003 Crossdresser From Beyond The Rig
>Veda, which is also great, just thought I'd point that out. I listened to

I was a bit disappointed with 7 NADES, it didn't seem to be as extreme as
some of Eyvind's other projects. I really like his single on Rabid God
Inoculator Industries, though.

On a related, and self-promotional note, I have copies of the 7th Sign of
Stress 10" vinyl compilation, which features several tracks by Shovedevil
(Eyvind on violin, Mark France on guitar and clarinet, and myself on bass
and electronics). It's Eyvind's first release, from 1992. E-mail me if
you're interested.


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From: [e-mail] (david m rothbaum)
Subject: Re: Mike Patton and such
Date: 13 Jul 1996 14:26:58 -0700

 I read in a review that Phil Minton has done this before and better,
>I think the album is a classic in its own right. It is by no means easy
>listening, but to me it is thoroughly enjoyable.

i have'nt heard of Phil Minton.  any more info would be great.

david



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Bill Laswell show
Date: 13 Jul 1996 17:42:09 -0400

In case anyone reads this soon, and can make it, the Laswell show at
Summerstage was rained out, and will be happening tonight at the Knitting
Factory, at 12:30 a.m.
It is still free.  Frith will still be playing at 9 and 11 oclock.

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From: john shiurba <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mike Patton and such
Date: 14 Jul 1996 14:45:01 +0000

david m rothbaum wrote:
>
>  I read in a review that Phil Minton has done this before and better,
> >I think the album is a classic in its own right. It is by no means easy
> >listening, but to me it is thoroughly enjoyable.
>
> i have'nt heard of Phil Minton.  any more info would be great.

phil minton is one of the (few) true greats of extended technique vocal
music. in the early 60's he made a name for himself (originally as a
trumpeter) in the mike westbrook orchestra, and since then has
performed and recorded with most of the big names in euro-free-improv.
his recordings are fairly voluminous (and not generally under his name),
but i would recommend a cd called "perceptions" on random acoustics. the
group is called axon, and features minton, marcio mattos
(cello/electronics) and martin blume (drums). this is a rather sparse
group improv recording where minton shows what he can do, and it's
pretty astonishing. if your tastes run more toward the rock gamut, check
out doran/studer/minton/ali/bates play the music of jimi hendrix. kinda
loopy interpretations of the hendrix songbook with minton offering some of
his vocal gymnastics

shiurba


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From: [e-mail] (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Filmworks/Trespass
Date: 15 Jul 1996 19:27:21 -0800

>On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, RichardLadew wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know more about this film "Trespass?"  It isn't that movie with
>> Ice-T and Ice Cube is it?  I guess that would be a sort of interesting bit
>> of trivia.
>
The score to Trespass was done by Ry Cooder and Jon Hassell, and the CD of
the score (not the soundtrack compilation of rap tunes used in the film) is
a great record, if you ignore a couple of country-rock tunes at the end.
Very creepy mix of Cooder's twisted blues sensibility and Hassell's
so-called 4th-world music. I'm not sure how this relates to Zorn though...

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From: "James L. Kirchmer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frisell, Eyvind Kang, Sun City Girls
Date: 15 Jul 1996 20:13:04 -0700

Greetings!
Read on as I respond to some questions from digest #3, Volume 2...

> From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 17:20:24 +0200 (METDST)
> Subject: Frisell acoustic group

> What's the lineup for the Bill Frisell Acoustic Group?

Well, this has probably been replied to a bunch of times - but the lineup
Frisell has with him makes the band a quartet.  Ron Miles(Denver) is on
trumpet, Curtis Fowlkes(NYC) is on trombone, and Eyvind Kang(Seattle) is
on violin(& tuba?).  I hear that Ron Miles has a solo record out that goes
off in the fusion direction - (I just heard a nice cut on the radio!! :)
- while Curtis Fowlkes has been busy with the Jazz Passengers featuring
Deborah Harry(ex-Blondie).  I am not sure if he is back to working with
John Lurie in the Lounge Lizards, a band he has worked with in the past...
...And as far as Eyvind goes, read on:

> From: [e-mail] (Frankco Lamerikx)
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:13:39 +0200 (MET DST)
> Subject: Mike Patton and such

> I want to kick in on the suggestion that more Tzadik records should be
> discussed on this list.
> Does anyone have anything to say about the Eyvind Kang album?

Well, I have transcribed for you a review of his album, written for the
premier "jazz & beyond" monthly paper here in Seattle, WA- titled "5/4".

The review is by Mike Marlin - local jazz writer, promoter, and aspiring
musician.  I can forward a message to him if you desire to contact him.
5/4 offers subscriptions and is the PREMIER(best!) Seattle jazz publication
for interesting mainstream AND offbeat jazz info.
For subscription info write: <[e-mail]>.

Eyvind Kang - 7 NADEs (Tzadik)

One sick puppy?  That's how John Zorn affectionately refers to Eyvind Kang
in the liner notes to the long awaited recording by the Seattle violinist.
Zorn is one to talk, of course, but the disc features excerpts, or
"fingers" from seven (and actually more, foreshadowing up to 23 in the
cycle) of Kang's NADEs, pieces that have evolved spontaneously around
emotional events.  For this project on Zorn's widely distributed Tzadik
label, Kang assembled many of Seattle's finest improvisors in live and
studio performances over several months, then spent hour upon hour
mixing, sculpting and twiddling with what turned into 12 tracks of
ascending, unfolding energy.  Reluctant to pin down a NADE definitively,
perhaps "event" is one way to describe it (see the diagram, in silver, on
the sleeve).  These pieces suggest more than one dimension on a plane;
for example, the unfolding levels of representation achieved in one NADE
about the process of digestion.

The opening "theme from 1st NADE" is a delectable, melodic morsel with
warped vocal choir, reverberating guitar from Tim Young, (ed. note:
Tim Young works with Wayne Horvitz in "Zony Mash", and has a solo album
in the works for ENDLESS RECORDS.  He also works with "The Scallywags",
who have released a CD.), mystical French narration by Teresa Truax, and
the warm crackle familiar to listeners of worn LP's.  "Angel with wings
torn off" could be construed as disturbing with succulent screams and
electronic noises pitched in by Christina Schinkle and Angela Lopes.
I remember the live rendition as jarring enlightenment.

Other NADEs and their offspring, such as "inevitability", "universal",
"theme from 6th NADE", "5th NADE/invisible man", and "living corpses"
feature arkestras of horns, strings and electric instruments or simply
Eyvind on screeching violin, submarine tuba or voice with engineer Scott
Colburn assisting in manipulation.  The production sounds effortless as
moods change subtly or drastically within and between NADEs.

Nowhere in the liner notes are the plethora of musicians, who are credited
on the disc, identified as Seattle artists.  Thus our improvised music
scene is never officially placed on the map.  However, 7 NADEs does not
attempt to make "sense" out of an indescribable universe or even a portion
of one.  For some this may be brutally unsatisfying.  For others, it may
leave you hungry for more. - Mike Marlin
OUT OF RESPECT for the author, PLEASE consult with him (send me a message
to forward to him) if one wishes to reproduce part or all of this review
in a publication or website.  And that said, I hope y'all enjoyed this...
transcription courtesy of:
James Kirchmer(who has no affiliation with 5/4 or the musicians mentioned)
**************************************************************************

> From: steven <[e-mail]>
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:20:27 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Eyvind Kang

> Hey, Eyving Kang's "7 NADEs" is amazing!!!
> Especially "Angel With Wings torn off."

Your comment is certainly supported by the above review!
(which describes the piece as "jarring enlightenment")

> For those of you who like Eyvind Kang, he plays violin on a 35 minute
> song on the Sun City Girls 2CD 330,003 Crossdresser From Beyond The Rig
> Veda, which is also great, just thought I'd point that out.

Eyvind has performed with the SUN CITY GIRLS on occasion here in Seattle,
as the Sun City Girls are based here.  The Sun City Girls, btw, will be
performing quite an interesting show on Wed. the 17th of July here in
Seattle.  They will appear at the site of John Coltrane's "LIVE in
Seattle" show (which is now the 'India Taj' club/restaurant on 1st Ave.)
and reproduce/interpret the Live in Seattle live album.  This "happening"
is free and starts at 8pm.  The 17th is the yearly anniversary of this
historic performance.  And btw, I heard from a musician in town that the
song "Body & Soul" was performed by the Coltrane band that night due to
a plea by Floyd Standifer, a famous local trumpet player.  Floyd asked
the band to play something more "down to earth", so to speak....as he
yearned to hear some more "traditional" music(his tastes lean in that
direction).........I don't know the exact words he used, but you get the
point.....that the out-of-context appearance of this composition was due
partly to "audience influence", so to speak...

....I wonder if Eyvind is on tour....I'd love to see him at this Sun
City Girls show!!!  Hmmmmmm....talk about alot of sick puppies on stage!

Later, James Kirchmer



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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: "Get Shorty", Kronos, Kato Hideki
Date: 16 Jul 1996 12:42:33 +0200 (METDST)

With all this talk about Medeski, Martin & Wood, I'm surprised that nobody
has mentioned the soundtrack to "Get Shorty". It had at least one tune by
MM&W and the score was written by John Lurie. The music worked very well with
the pictures, but was a disappointment on the cd. Which is too bad, since it
wasn't a very good film. Best thing on the soundtrack is Luries vocals:
"This is the part I love!! I came all the way to hear this part!!" and the
MM&W tune was also pretty good.

Has any of you seen the film about the Kronos Quartet by Manfred Waffender?
I think it's called "About Four" or something like that. It's very good.
It has interviews with all four of them and follows them around in Europe and
America where they play at festivals, high school etc.
The reason I bring it up here on the Zorn list is because, there is a clip
from the Umbria Jazz Festival (in Italy?) where they play "Cat O Nine Tails"
(well, we only see about 3 min of it). The live performans is edited together
with clips from The Simpsons, a guy buying comic books, a ball hopping down
some stairs in slowmotion and stuff like that, so it ends up looking like a
weird music video.
There is also four seconds from "Forbidden Fruit"

I think somebody mentioned the 9/19/93 Knitting Factory show by Masada. I
have a tape of that, it a very good show with Marc Ribot, Kato Hideki and a
drummer whos name I'm not sure of. What makes it so good, in my opinion, is
the (electric) bass playing of Hideki. He is really great! I haven't heard
him anywhere else but it looks like he plays on a lot of the Tzadik cds.
Which of his records is a good one to start with? The Bass Army stuff looks
pretty interesting, but also rather hard to find.

Which records will be in the "Paraschute Box"?

I heard something about a new (early '96) record by the Shrieve/Frisell/
Horvitz trio, anybody know? "Fascination" is great.

Jonas


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From: "James L. Kirchmer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MMW
Date: 16 Jul 1996 10:21:35 -0700

> From: [e-mail] (Dave Trenkel)
> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 09:59:17 -0800
> Subject: Re: medeski, martin & wood
> Absolutely! I've never really gotten into Medeski et al, they've always
> struck me as a kind of downtown-lite, watered down for mass consumption.
> The deadhead contingent in my area have picked up on them, and I get sick
> of hearing them described as some extreme form of jazz from people who've
> never heard Zorn, Ribot, etc.

Yeah - they're definitely NOT some radical jazz group!  They're a good-
time funky organ trio!  Nothing to get all "worked" up about(unless of
course one is dancing at a show...)  In the end, things are RELATIVE -
as MMW ARE some extreme form of jazz to the untrained ears of someone
who's been listening ONLY to the Dead for many years.

I think the Deadheads dig the stuff basically cuz ya can dance to it -
- and it's kinda trippy.  And MMW do deliver those goods in style....
MMW doesn't pretend to be anything but a good funky time...& that's cool!
I heard them describe themselves as "Sanford & Son meets Sun RA" -
- or, in other words: trippy dance music.(I don't mean to dismiss Sun
Ra as just "trippy".  He was WAY more than that.  But MMW borrow this
aspect - as Medeski gets into the psychedelic keyboard stylings of Ra...)

Now - for some Zorn news!  I heard that Zorn is coming to the Pacific NW
in September to play around(?) the time of the Bumbershoot Music Festival
here in Seattle.  I heard he's coming with Masada.  I will provide
more details ASAP for those of you out here in the great NW.
Perhaps someone can confirm the date? (I heard the show WOULD happen...)

Later - James Kirchmer, Seattle, WA



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From: [e-mail] (Joe Germuska)
Subject: MM&W, National and Fully Celebrated Orchestras
Date: 16 Jul 1996 13:30:47 -0500

I don't want to get into religion here, but I think Medeski, Martin and
Wood deserve credit for outstanding musicianship and, so far, a resistance
to compromise their sound while fame beckons.  Their music is significantly
more challenging than most of what passes for popular these days, and if
they introduce more people to the idea that listening to challenging music
pays off, more power to 'em.

Also, and perhaps old news to some of you: did you know John Lurie's
National Orchestra is prominently featured in the movie "Blue in the Face"?
Billy Martin is one of the drummers in the JLNO.  It's pretty cool,
especially because it seems like the only reason they're there is because
the filmmaker thinks they're cool and deserve wider exposure.

And speaking of Orchestras -- any fans of Jim Hobbs' Fully Celebrated
Orchestra?  Based in Boston, Hobbs plays alto sax, with drums and bass (and
lately, I believe, trombone.)  I think this group would appeal to most Zorn
fans who like the jazzier side of his work.  They haven't changed my life
yet, but any energetic young folks making jazz that isn't rehashed
Ellington deserve some credit :-)  They have two records on Silkheart, and
will soon release a few tapes on my friend Heath's label, "Tulip Tapes".
The FCO inclusive also play in a group called "Jasper and the Prodigal
Suns", which has reggae/rastafarian lyrical influences and an interesting
sound, although I haven't heard enough to comment...

yep.
        Joe

_____________
Joe Germuska |_____ "Once the writer in every individual comes to life
[e-mail] |____   (and that time is not far off),
Northwestern University |___   we are in for an age of universal deafness
Learning Technologies Group |_______  and lack of understanding."
http://www.nwu.edu/people/j-germuska|                       -- Milan Kundera



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From: Jason Caulfield Bivins <[e-mail]>
Date: 16 Jul 1996 13:40:44 -0500 (EST)

Well, since somebody erroneously mentioned Hank Roberts as a part of
Frisell's new group, I was wondering what happened to Hank. Does
anyone know? He seemed pretty ubiquitous a couple of years ago but
hasn't really recorded since (to my knowledge), has been replaced in
Arcado, been eclipsed by Friedlander, etc.
Jason B

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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:
Date: 16 Jul 1996 16:35:12 -0400

At 01:40 PM 7/16/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, since somebody erroneously mentioned Hank Roberts as a part of
>Frisell's new group, I was wondering what happened to Hank. Does
>anyone know? He seemed pretty ubiquitous a couple of years ago but
>hasn't really recorded since (to my knowledge), has been replaced in
>Arcado, been eclipsed by Friedlander, etc.
>Jason B
>
>
I remember Tim Berne or someone said that Hank basically just got tired of
the business for a while and moved to Woodstock or somewhere else upstate,
to just be a homebody and family man for awhile.  I don't think he's
recorded anything since the trio  with Django Bates and Arto Tuncboyacian a
few years back on JMT ("Little Motor People" I think).  I recently heard
that he was contemplating coming back, though.

Funny you should mention, because I just got nostalgic over Hank just a few
days ago, watching the old Frisell Band on a tape of NBC's "Night Music"
program.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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From: Jason Caulfield Bivins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:
Date: 16 Jul 1996 18:02:00 -0500 (EST)

It would be great if Hank came back. I just got the new Arcado out on
Avant and I was, despite my fondness for the group, a little peeved that
the composition "Behind the Myth" was attributed to Ernst Reijseger.
On the album of the same name from 1990 it was credited as one of
Roberts's compositions (and a fine one, at that).
BTW Steve, do you have info on the upcoming Ehrlich quartet release?
When can we expect that? Thanks
Jason B

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From: RichardLadew <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: medeski, martin & wood
Date: 16 Jul 1996 23:10:11 -0400

At 08:17 PM 7/12/96 -0400, you wrote:
>re:
>  Also, if you havn't heard Medeski, Martin and Wood, go buy an album, then
>go see them live...These guys could change the face of modern music,
>especially if their following grows any larger than it is already.
>
>Change the face of modern music? Only because they're part of some hip
>downtown scene. half-assed rehashes of Dark Magus/Get Up With It-era Miles
>Davis might be more like it, only Miles et al. did it without the
>self-conscious funkiness.
>
>mg
>
>
>
>
We all have differences in opinion, maybe in the future comments like
"half-assed" could be backed up with more specific critical comments (i.e.
how /why it is half-assed, what it attempts to acheive, etc.)  If we all cut
on each other's tastes besides Zorn without some kind of meaningful
discussion, we're just going to get a lot of cynicism and a lot of flame
wars about what is great music and what is shitty music (a sort-of Beavis
and Butthead "this rules, this sucks" kind of newsgroup).  I'm sure no one
wants this.  Can't we all get along?

BTW: thanks for the Central Park/Masada info.  I traveled to the show, only
to miss it b/c of poor travel arrangements.

What do people think of the Strategy re-release on tzadik?  I found it
amusing, and quite cartoonlike.  Could definitely see why Zorn wrote that it
mirrored some of his later work with Eye (with all the water effects, vocal
yelps, and a "self-invented sax language")


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From: "James L. Kirchmer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn in the NW
Date: 16 Jul 1996 20:48:31 -0700

> On Tuesday, 16 July 1996, James L. Kirchmer wrote:
> > Now - for some Zorn news!  I heard that Zorn is coming to the Pacific NW
> > in September to play around(?) the time of the Bumbershoot Music Festival
> > here in Seattle.  I heard he's coming with Masada.  I will provide
> > more details ASAP for those of you out here in the great NW.
> > Perhaps someone can confirm the date? (I heard the show WOULD happen...)

OK - I checked into the situation and it turns out it's up in the air
as to what Zorn project it will be - but Zorn will be coming to
Bumbershoot, which takes place August 30 to Sept. 2nd.
Most probably, he will play a 2nd show at some club in town in addition to
the B-shoot gig.  This has not been confirmed yet, but a reliable source
tells me that this will most likely happen.  I wonder when the lineups
for B-shoot are made available......hmmmmmmm.....One Reel has a website
(the co. that produces B-shoot....maybe I'll check in with them....)
I believe Frisell is also gonna be at Bumbershoot(not sure what context).

Bye for now, James Kirchmer, Seattle, WA - home of overpriced coffee...


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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Garry)
Subject: West Coast Boyee!!
Date: 17 Jul 1996 02:00:14 -0700

Hey there peeps....
    Mike Patton and John Zorn are performing at slims this August
(12th?) out here in SF, with Cobra performing the following night. I
was wondering.... does anyone know of any west coast Masada dates(since
he's going to be in the area), and what the lineup for those would be?
Tim Garry
[e-mail]


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From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <[e-mail]>
Subject: masada questions
Date: 17 Jul 1996 13:56:51 -0400 (EDT)

two questions, disguised as four:

1) where do you people keep finding these tapes of live shows?  I'd be
interested in hearing the different instrumentation, as the standard
quartet is all i've heard, transcendentaly amazing though it is.

2) Is Masada the band not a fixed entity? I've heard lots of people
talking about shows with very different lineups.  I assumed that the
douglas/cohen/barron/zorn group was the standard group.

3) Why has Joey Barron not been playing with them of late? Is he busy?

4) What are the odds that if i go see them in november in montreal they
will have the same lineup as on the albums?



hm...,
    jascha



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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Derek & the Ruins
Date: 17 Jul 1996 15:26:23 -0700


On Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:32:45 GMT  "D.J. Toman" wrote:
>
> Hi y'all,
>
> I'm wondering, since the only store in town that has Tzadik CDs only ordered
> ONE of each album, if I should pick up Derek & the Ruins?  I don't like
> _Yankees_ too much, nor much else I've heard with Derek Baily, except parts
> of _Harras_.  I'm wondering if The Ruins make the album worth hearing.  Can
> anyone help?

I strongly recomment SAISORO. I have to confess that I was not expected
anything from this record, thinking it could be fun, but nothing more.
On the first listening I got stunned at how well The Ruins and Bailey
music could work together. The result: not improv, not rock, but a
"morphing" of both styles. My advice: buy it before anything else.

    Patrice.

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From: Barry Gilbert <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MM&W, National and Fully Celebrated Orchestras
Date: 17 Jul 1996 18:02:25 -0500

-- [ From: Barry Gilbert * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --


>
> Also, and perhaps old news to some of you: did you know John Lurie's
National
> Orchestra is prominently featured in the movie "Blue in the Face"? Billy
> Martin is one of the drummers in the JLNO.

Amazing!  Baseball manager AND drummer.  Where does he find the time?


> And speaking of Orchestras -- any fans of Jim Hobbs' Fully Celebrated
> Orchestra?  Based in Boston, Hobbs plays alto sax, with drums and bass
(and
> lately, I believe, trombone.)  I think this group would appeal to most
Zorn
> fans who like the jazzier side of his work.  They haven't changed my life
yet,
> but any energetic young folks making jazz that isn't rehashed Ellington
> deserve some credit :-)  They have two records on Silkheart, and will
soon
> release a few tapes on my friend Heath's label, "Tulip Tapes". The FCO
> inclusive also play in a group called "Jasper and the Prodigal Suns",
which
> has reggae/rastafarian lyrical influences and an interesting sound,
although I
> haven't heard enough to comment...
>

I've listened to their most recent Silkheart a couple of times.  An amazing
amount of energy and talent for such young guys.

Barry Gilbert
Boulder, CO



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From: scott mclemore <[e-mail]>
Subject: WKCR
Date: 17 Jul 1996 15:58:33 -0400 (EDT)



Did anyone catch the Joey BAron guest DJ appearance last week?  I did and
it was great.  He played stuff off of Crackshot, which I have yet to get
up off my sorry ass to buy, and a bunch of things that influenced him the
most.  I guess it was like the Zorn CD people were talking about a while
back.

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Scott McLemore----------------------------------------------------------------
----------Drummer/Composer----------------------------------------------------



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From: Barry Gilbert <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Phil Minton (was: Mike Patton and such)
Date: 19 Jul 1996 06:45:44 -0500

-- [ From: Barry Gilbert * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --

My first exposure to Phil Minton was on Voice of America with Frith and Bob
Ostertag.  I also have a copy of A Doughnut in Both Hands, an amazing solo
voice recording.

-------- REPLY, Original message follows --------

> Date: Sunday, 14-Jul-96 02:45 PM
>
> From: john shiurba             \ Internet:    ([e-mail])
> To:   Zorn List                \ Internet:    ([e-mail])
>
> Subject: Re: Mike Patton and such
>
> david m rothbaum wrote:
> >
> >  I read in a review that Phil Minton has done this before and better,
> > >I think the album is a classic in its own right. It is by no means
easy
> > >listening, but to me it is thoroughly enjoyable.
> >
> > i have'nt heard of Phil Minton.  any more info would be great.
>
> phil minton is one of the (few) true greats of extended technique vocal
> music. in the early 60's he made a name for himself (originally as a
> trumpeter) in the mike westbrook orchestra, and since then has  performed
and
> recorded with most of the big names in euro-free-improv.  his recordings
are
> fairly voluminous (and not generally under his name),  but i would
recommend a
> cd called "perceptions" on random acoustics. the  group is called axon,
and
> features minton, marcio mattos  (cello/electronics) and martin blume
(drums).
> this is a rather sparse  group improv recording where minton shows what
he can
> do, and it's  pretty astonishing. if your tastes run more toward the rock
> gamut, check  out doran/studer/minton/ali/bates play the music of jimi
> hendrix. kinda  loopy interpretations of the hendrix songbook with minton
> offering some of  his vocal gymnastics
>
> shiurba
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> [e-mail]
>
> http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba

-------- REPLY, End of original message --------



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From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <[e-mail]>
Subject: john zorn and film/ FW2/Absinthe
Date: 20 Jul 1996 16:33:21 -0400 (EDT)


How can i find any of the films which Zorn wrote music for?  I'd really
like to see the images which inspired the sounds one hears on the
filmworks CDs, and i  also have a feeling that NYC independant film is
probably pretty good...

I saw someone write about Filmworks 2 a while ago.  I'd add that it is
probably the most homogeneous sounding zorn record, which isn't
necessarily bad; absent, however, is a lot of the random jump-cut insanity
we all know and love.  It's kind of like Absinthe in that there is a
definite atmosphere built up throughout the whole album, though FW2 evokes
images of desolate interstate highway middle-of-nowhere deserts and such
things rather than victorian era opium dens.  I don't know if this has any
relation to the scenes in the film, but it seems to describe the general
mood of FW2, to me, at least...

Speaking of Absinthe...does anyone know how this album came about? It's
extremely good, but so unlike any other Naked City album that in makes me
wonder what they were thinking at the time...i'd like to hear stories of
what inspired it. (perchance a stray vial of absinthe wandered into the
downtown scene and left it's mark? Or maybe Zorn was reading a lot of
Victorian era gothic literature...)

-jascha

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From: [e-mail] (Marc Kate)
Subject: Re: john zorn and film/ FW2/Absinthe
Date: 20 Jul 1996 17:08:24 -0800

>Speaking of Absinthe...does anyone know how this album came about? It's
>extremely good, but so unlike any other Naked City album that in makes me
>wonder what they were thinking at the time...i'd like to hear stories of
>what inspired it. (perchance a stray vial of absinthe wandered into the
>downtown scene and left it's mark? Or maybe Zorn was reading a lot of
>Victorian era gothic literature...)

This probably isn't going to score me any points, but....
Zorn did a bunch of albums where the album cover art (and album title) were
straight off of (then) recently published art books.  "Jeux des dames
cruelles", "Grand Guignol" and "Absinthe" had all been books released in
"alternative" bookstores just before Zorn's album releases.  This is not to
say that Zorn's involvement with these things has been insincere; he may
well have been interested before the appearance of these books, or became
extremely engaged with their subjects only after their appearance.  The
latter is more interesting to me though.  I find transparant influences
much less pretentious.  He often tries to be transparant as the linar notes
to "Radio" will attest.

As for the music, maybe he wanted to see if they could sound like Phauss or
Hafler Trio using instruments.

. . . waiting for a Naked City album entitled "Fragments for a History of
the Human Body,"

                                        Marc Kate
                                   415-826-4012
                             [e-mail]



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From: "hObO" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ruins
Date: 20 Jul 1996 20:59:33 +0000

Can anyone provide any information on Ruins?  I have Burning Stone,
Ruins, Early Works (which has JZ on sax on 3 tracks...much to my surprise
when I got that one home...) and Hyderomastgroningem (on
Tzadik)...but I've heard of others.  Anyone got a complete
discography or any more information they could share with me?

~heather








---
Heather Scott
[e-mail]
http://members.aol.com/hobou818

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From: "R. Edward Stuart" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #5
Date: 21 Jul 1996 00:02:22 -0400

At 06:03 PM 7/20/96 -0600, you wrote:
>From: Jason Caulfield Bivins <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:40:44 -0500 (EST)
>Subject: [none]
>
>Well, since somebody erroneously mentioned Hank Roberts as a part of
>Frisell's new group, I was wondering what happened to Hank. Does
>anyone know? He seemed pretty ubiquitous a couple of years ago but
>hasn't really recorded since (to my knowledge), has been replaced in
>Arcado, been eclipsed by Friedlander, etc.
>Jason B

He lives up in Ithica, NY now.  He is however, a neighbor of the owner of a
CD mail order business that also happens to have a web page
<http://www.jims.com/>.  He sells tapes that Hank makes in a local studio.
So, you can get info on these tapes by using one of the MailTo forms on the
above mentioned web page.

>From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:35:12 -0400
>Subject: Re:

>I don't think he's
>recorded anything since the trio  with Django Bates and Arto Tuncboyacian a
>few years back on JMT ("Little Motor People" I think).

I bought this CD and basicly I hated it from the get-go.  Talk about lame
compositions and music with no edge.  I really like, however, his work with
Tim Berne.  Can anyone suggest any of Roberts' other CDs that shine?
Thanx,
Ed Stuart
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:
Date: 21 Jul 1996 16:03:33 -0400

In a message dated 96-07-16 16:44:12 EDT, [e-mail] (Steve Smith)
writes:

> Funny you should mention, because I just got nostalgic over Hank just a few
>  days ago, watching the old Frisell Band on a tape of NBC's "Night Music"
>  program.
>
>  Steve Smith

Funny you should mention that- I was thinking about that when I mentioned
Hank as being in Frisell's band.  I have a tape of that- Frisell plays with
Hank, Joey and Kermit, and later on the show Frisell played with Sting, and
Hank was sitting in too.
It was incredible to hear Frisell playing a Sting tune.  He sounded perfect.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Shrieve/ Frisell/ Horvitz
Date: 21 Jul 1996 16:02:45 -0400

In a message dated 96-07-16 06:49:43 EDT, [e-mail] (Torsten
Nielsen) writes:

> I heard something about a new (early '96) record by the Shrieve/Frisell/
>  Horvitz trio, anybody know? "Fascination" is great.
>
>  Jonas
>

The new Shrieve cd is called "Two Doors".  I've mentioned it several times on
this list, and methinks its great.  The trio with Frisell and Horvitz makes
up for half the disc, and it was taken from the Fascination sessions.  The
other half is Shrieve with Guitarist Shawn Lane and bassist Jonas Hellborg.
 Also amazing.


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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Shrieve/ Frisell/ Horvitz
Date: 21 Jul 1996 13:52:50 -0700


On Sun, 21 Jul 1996 16:02:45 -0400  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 96-07-16 06:49:43 EDT, [e-mail] (Torsten
> Nielsen) writes:
>
> > I heard something about a new (early '96) record by the Shrieve/Frisell/
> >  Horvitz trio, anybody know? "Fascination" is great.
> >
> >  Jonas
> >
>
> The new Shrieve cd is called "Two Doors".  I've mentioned it several times on
> this list, and methinks its great.  The trio with Frisell and Horvitz makes
> up for half the disc, and it was taken from the Fascination sessions.  The
> other half is Shrieve with Guitarist Shawn Lane and bassist Jonas Hellborg.
>  Also amazing.

Talking about the tracks on TWO DOORS, Wayne Horvitz told me that he was
very disappointed of the tracks that ended up on FASCINATION. At that time,
he thought that the left over tracks were much better. Needless to say that
he was happy to see that they were finally issued on TWO DOORS!

    Patrice.

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From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:
Date: 22 Jul 1996 12:13:30 -0400

>> Funny you should mention, because I just got nostalgic over Hank just a few
>>  days ago, watching the old Frisell Band on a tape of NBC's "Night Music"
>>  program.
>>
>Funny you should mention that- I was thinking about that when I mentioned
>Hank as being in Frisell's band.  I have a tape of that- Frisell plays with
>Hank, Joey and Kermit, and later on the show Frisell played with Sting, and
>Hank was sitting in too.
>It was incredible to hear Frisell playing a Sting tune.  He sounded perfect.
>
>
That's absolutely right.  In fact, I only regret that Bill didn't get much
solo space on the tune... it was all swallowed up by Earl Klugh wannabe
Fareed Haque.

But one of my favorite things about "Night Music" was the way Hal Willner
would combine the guests together for a big number at the end.  The most
extreme example of this would have to be the time Todd Rundgren, Taj Mahal,
Ellen Foley, Pat Metheny and Christian Marclay (!!!) were put together with
the Night Music band for a rousing number from Gilbert and Sullivan's "HMS
Pinafore" ... it doesn't get much sicker.  Christian Marclay's solo piece
for four turntables during that same episode was pretty mindbending as well,
and it's pretty clear that one of the records he manipulates was a volum of
"Classic Guide to Strategy."

And then there was the time Zorn led the house band (David Sanborn, Hiram
Bullock, Marcus Miller, Omar Hakim and Philippe Saisse) in a rousing
rendition of "Snaggletooth." Just before they played, it seems that Zorn was
goading Hakim a bit, with Hakim firing back off mike.  Can't help but wonder
what that was all about...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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From: scott mclemore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: WKCR
Date: 22 Jul 1996 15:00:54 -0400 (EDT)

has anyone heard the new Dave Douglas record "five?"
I saw where it got a five star review in Downbeat.  It kind of encouraged
me to start checking out jazz mags again...not to mention this CD.
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From: scott mclemore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:
Date: 22 Jul 1996 15:04:02 -0400 (EDT)


>
> Funny you should mention that- I was thinking about that when I mentioned
> Hank as being in Frisell's band.  I have a tape of that- Frisell plays with
> Hank, Joey and Kermit, and later on the show Frisell played with Sting, and
> Hank was sitting in too.
> It was incredible to hear Frisell playing a Sting tune.  He sounded perfect.
>
>
Yeah, I was suprized that they never did anything together after that.  I
was pretty moved by that performance.

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From: scott mclemore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: WKCR
Date: 22 Jul 1996 14:47:32 -0400 (EDT)

Crackshot is the new Barondown record.  The stuff he played from it sounded
really wonderful.

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----------Drummer/Composer----------------------------------------------------


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From: "k.   drudge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: first recordings/fw 3
Date: 22 Jul 1996 21:14:46 -0400 (EDT)

i haven't heard anything about the '1st Recordings 1973' (Zorn) CD.
Can someone give me a rundown?  It looks intruiging, yet rather
worrisome.
Also is there a release date for filmworks 3?  from what i've heard,
it looks like it will be a killer.

- keldon


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From: CHIN HEUNG HEUNG <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn, Mori, and Patton
Date: 24 Jul 1996 10:34:48 -0400



For those of you who don't know, Zorn, Ikue Mori and Mike Patton should be
doing a gig at the Knitting Factory August 16 at 9pm and 11pm.

Later,
HH




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From: RichardLadew <[e-mail]>
Subject: Public Enemy!!!!
Date: 24 Jul 1996 16:33:12 -0400

Just a stupid bit of trivia I found out today.  (If people already know this
my advance apologies).

Naked City's Radio Vol 1 album (avant 003) on track #13 "Poisonhead"
features a Public enemy sample about 6 seconds into the track, after Zorn's
first squeal.  I swear you can distinctly hear Chuck D rapping the first
lines from "Caught, Can I get A Witness" from 1988's It Takes a Nation of
Millions to Hold Us Back:

"Caught, now I'm in court 'cause I stole a beat
This is a sampling sport
But I'm giving it a new name
what you hear is mine P.E. you know the time
Now, what in the heaven does a jury know about hell
If I took it, but they just look at me"....

Well, troops, Flav may or may not be in jail, Prof. Griff and the S1W's in
obscurity, Terminator X recovering from motorcycle accidents, Chuck D
struggling to revamp his carreer, but PE lives on with Naked City in my cd
player.


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From: Matt Walsh <[e-mail]>
Date: 24 Jul 1996 16:56:00 PDT


>From: Barry Gilbert <[e-mail]>
>
>>
>> Also, and perhaps old news to some of you: did you know John Lurie's
>National
>> Orchestra is prominently featured in the movie "Blue in the Face"?
Billy
>> Martin is one of the drummers in the JLNO.
>
>Amazing!  Baseball manager AND drummer.  Where does he find the time?

Easy. He's dead. He has plenty of time.

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From: [e-mail] (Naes)
Subject:  Non-member submission from [Luc Lalonde <[e-mail]>]
Date: 29 Jul 1996 01:45:16 -0800

>To: [e-mail]
>From: Luc Lalonde <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Massada
>
>Hello,
>
>Does anyone know how to get the fourth Massada CD?
>
>Cheers, Luc.

Naes' pick o' da week:One Eye Open "Boobs, the incomplete.."(TooManyRecords)
homepage: http://www.best.com/~naes (under construction)
Bun Length Records: p.o.box 2174 berkeley, ca. 94702
homepage: moving to new address shortly...




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From: RichardLadew <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada Dates
Date: 29 Jul 1996 13:09:59 -0400

Hey! Where The sam hell is everyone? (Probably on vacation)

Some news:
I just spoke with one of the booking agents for Knitting Factory tours and I
asked about Masada.  He said they were touring in late fall.  He gave me two
dates:  Wed. Nov. 13th in boston at the Institute of contemporary Arts and
Nov. 18th in Burlington Vermont at some place that has the name "Flynn" in it.

Addtionally, did any of you see the "Cobra" lineup at the Knitting factory
on Aug 2nd? A few: Thurston Moore, Otomo Yoshihide, Zorn (prompter), DJ
Spooky.  Damn, being in New Hampshire hurts sometimes!!!


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From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada Dates
Date: 29 Jul 1996 14:45:53 -0400 (EDT)

> Some news:
> I just spoke with one of the booking agents for Knitting Factory tours and I
> asked about Masada.  He said they were touring in late fall.  He gave me two
> dates:  Wed. Nov. 13th in boston at the Institute of contemporary Arts and
> Nov. 18th in Burlington Vermont at some place that has the name "Flynn" in it.


Wait wait wait a minute.  I thought Masada were playing Mintreal on Nov.
13th.  Is he ditching Canada completely???

-jascha


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From: [e-mail] (Naes)
Subject: Re: Non-member submission from [Luc Lalonde      <[e-mail]>]
Date: 29 Jul 1996 18:20:04 -0800


>>X-Sender: [e-mail]
>>Mime-Version: 1.0
>>Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 19:00:35 -0400
>>To: [e-mail] (Naes)
>>From: Alain et Louis Potvin <louisp@destination>
>>Subject: Re: Non-member submission from [Luc Lalonde
>>  <[e-mail]>]
>>
>>Sulut Luc!
>>
>>Comme je vois tu est du Qu=E9bec, Je peut te r=E9pondre en fran=E7ais au=
 sujet de
>>masada 4. Il est trop tard pour recevoir le 4 gratuitement! Avec les 3
>>premiers Masada il y avait un coupon (en Japonais!)qu`on pouvait envoyer p=
ar
>>la poste et ainsi, recevoir le CD. J'ai un ami qui l'a. Il dure seulement =
20
>>Minutes...Il est tr=E8s bon, comme les 5 autres.
>>
>>Alain
>>
>

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homepage: http://www.best.com/~naes (under construction)
Bun Length Records: p.o.box 2174 berkeley, ca. 94702
homepage: moving to new address shortly...




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From: Barry Gilbert <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Masada Dates
Date: 29 Jul 1996 21:43:25 -0500

-- [ From: Barry Gilbert * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --

> Date: Monday, 29-Jul-96 01:09 PM
>
> From: Richard Ladew            \ Internet:    ([e-mail])
> To:   Zorn List                \ Internet:    ([e-mail])
>
> Subject: Masada Dates
>
> Some news:
>
> Addtionally, did any of you see the "Cobra" lineup at the Knitting
factory on
> Aug 2nd? A few: Thurston Moore, Otomo Yoshihide, Zorn (prompter), DJ
Spooky.
> Damn, being in New Hampshire hurts sometimes!!!
>

Even more painful:  I'll be in NYC the following week.  I've discovered
that the booking agents of all my favorites have the inside track with my
travel agent and conveniently book all the most interesting gigs the week
before and the week after I'm there. ("Let's see, Barry will be leaving NY
on August 15th... we'd better book Zorn and Ikue Mori for the night of the
16th.")   Yeah, that's it!  It's a conspiracy!!!




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From: [e-mail] (Naes)
Subject: John Zorn
Date: 29 Jul 1996 23:58:47 -0800

>Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:01:39 -0700
>From: "John A. Toohey" <[e-mail]>
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: John Zorn
>X-URL: http://meer.net/~browbeat/zornlist.html
>
>I went to Webster College with John Zorn back in the early 70s.  Do you
>know if I can e-mail him?  Thanks for any info.
>
>John Toohey
>[e-mail]
>

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homepage: http://www.best.com/~naes (under construction)
Bun Length Records: p.o.box 2174 berkeley, ca. 94702
homepage: moving to new address shortly...




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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Masada Dates
Date: 30 Jul 1996 08:07:44 -0700


On Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:43:25 -0500  Barry Gilbert wrote:
>
> -- [ From: Barry Gilbert * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --
>
> > Date: Monday, 29-Jul-96 01:09 PM
> >
> > From: Richard Ladew            \ Internet:    ([e-mail])
> > To:   Zorn List                \ Internet:    ([e-mail])
> >
> > Subject: Masada Dates
> >
> > Some news:
> >
> > Addtionally, did any of you see the "Cobra" lineup at the Knitting
> factory on
> > Aug 2nd? A few: Thurston Moore, Otomo Yoshihide, Zorn (prompter), DJ
> Spooky.
> > Damn, being in New Hampshire hurts sometimes!!!
> >
>
> Even more painful:  I'll be in NYC the following week.  I've discovered
> that the booking agents of all my favorites have the inside track with my
> travel agent and conveniently book all the most interesting gigs the week
> before and the week after I'm there. ("Let's see, Barry will be leaving NY
> on August 15th... we'd better book Zorn and Ikue Mori for the night of the
> 16th.")   Yeah, that's it!  It's a conspiracy!!!

Weird! I knew it was true for me. Are you saying it is also the case for
you (are we using the same travel agent?). Conspiracy? I guess, because of
lack of a stronger word, I will use that one also :-).

    Patrice.

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From: [e-mail] (david m rothbaum)
Subject: Zorn / Patton Gig
Date: 31 Jul 1996 06:33:59 -0700

i heard something about a zorn / patton gig in san francisco.  does anyone
have more info on this?

thanks,

david

death to videodrome,  long live the new flesh



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From: [e-mail] (Marc Kate)
Subject: Re: Zorn / Patton Gig
Date: 31 Jul 1996 22:42:01 -0800

>i heard something about a zorn / patton gig in san francisco.  does anyone
>have more info on this?

Yes.
It's on August 12th at Slim's and is quite pricey.

The next night, Zorn is doing Cobra with the Bungle guys, E. Kang, William
Winant and some others.

See you there.

                        Marc Kate
                             [e-mail]