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From: D Alexander Bailey <[e-mail]>
Subject: David Shea plays UK date (fwd)
Date: 01 Feb 1996 20:53:53 -0800 (PST)


I think simon meant this to go to the list although he sent it just to
me.  Wish I could be there, but maybe the man will make it to San Fran
one of these days.

Saw zoviet france years ago.  Three guys improvised an hour long set with
a 4 track k7 deck a piece, several hundred toys and about a million delay
units.  Great a moments, bland at others, but in one aspect they were
consistent.  Absolutely no connection with their audience.

I'm still working on the new Shea disc (75 minutes) giving it the head
phone treatment which it lends itself to very well.  More ambient/mellow
than Hsi-Yu Chi, but it seems to be up to snuff.

Alexander

---------- Forwarded message ----------

David Shea is playing as part of the New Auras 3 dates at the Royal Festival
Hall in London on Feb 23rd (along with zoviet*france). Also featuring are the
Hong Kong turntable artist Xper. Xr. (1 March) and Crossley Bendix of
Negativland (8 March.

(Are there any other UK based people in this mailing list?)

simon


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From: Tom Benton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Signals for Tea
Date: 03 Feb 1996 09:33:12 -0600 (CST)

I wanted to see if anyone could possibly yield any information on this
album.  It's by a fellow named Steve Beresford, I believe.  He plays
piano and sings.  The reason I'm curious about the album is that his
backing musicians are John Zorn, Dave Douglas, Greg Cohen, and Kenny
Wollessen, each credited with their own instrument and backing vocals.
It was on a Japanese label, I think the same one that's put out some Zorn
stuff in the past, and I was curious if anyone had any knowledge of this
album.  Thanks.

--Tom--


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: message to Lee Garth
Date: 03 Feb 1996 11:10:48 -0500

Lee Garth- you have apparently changed your email address, so
if you are still on this list, please get in touch with me!


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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Signals for Tea
Date: 03 Feb 1996 10:21:24 -0800


On Sat, 3 Feb 1996 09:33:12 -0600 (CST)  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> I wanted to see if anyone could possibly yield any information on this
> album.  It's by a fellow named Steve Beresford, I believe.  He plays
> piano and sings.  The reason I'm curious about the album is that his
> backing musicians are John Zorn, Dave Douglas, Greg Cohen, and Kenny
> Wollessen, each credited with their own instrument and backing vocals.
> It was on a Japanese label, I think the same one that's put out some Zorn
> stuff in the past, and I was curious if anyone had any knowledge of this
> album.  Thanks.

I was just listening it at some friends place yesteday. It is an enjoyable
record that you should take with a grain of salt. It is 99% melodic and
of a "loungy" style. The lyrics are very dry English humour and (for the
little I can understand) are quite entertaining. The music is very straight
but occasionally you can expect a fairly powerfull solo by Zorn. A fun
disc, not demanding at all. But if you are on the experimental side, you
should better skip it.

    Patrice.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject:  Rubaiyat
Date: 03 Feb 1996 22:18:18 -0500

Hey Zorn groupies...

      I just picked up Rubaiyat (Elektra's 40th Anniversary 2 CD set) It's a
compilation of various artists doing covers. And Lo & behold John Zorn  does
"TV Eye" a Stooges song from 1970.  All Naked City fans should pick it up.

Zorn: alto sax
Yamatsuka Eye: Vocals
Robert Quine: guitar
Bill Laswell: Bass
Ted Epstien: Drums

     I'm sure Patrice will give you all the exact details. The release was
from 1990.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Rubaiyat
Date: 04 Feb 1996 21:06:07 -0500

I remember reading that Zorn had originally wanted to "cover" one of
Elektra's sound-effects records but was talked out of that.

Lang Thompson
http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm


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From: [e-mail] (Simon Williams-Burns)
Subject: Re:Tom Benton:signals for tea
Date: 05 Feb 1996 09:46:17 +0000

well bloody flying sh*t!...Steve Beresford huh?...if yoo mean the same S.B. that
Ithink yoo do (the guy that used to write for & produce Frank
Chickens-remember them?)...then his father sings in my fathers choir here
in the U.K....I know this doesn't answer yoor question at all, but it's a
good little piece of useless information to clog the system with...and in
reply to D Alexander Bailey -hello there, i too am in thee U.k...are yoo
going to see any of the Shea shows?...if so let me know...if I can get thee
cash together I'll be going ...that's probably enough wobbly nonsense for
now...

etherlove - CRAYOLAxxx



                         REALITY IS THE ORIGINAL RORSCACH.

                             "When in doubt, fuck it,
                 When not in doubt, get in doubt"-P.O.E.E. slogan.



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From: Matt Walsh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Buckethead CD
Date: 05 Feb 1996 15:55:00 PST


If this is the second time this message has gone out, I apologize, as until
today, I haven't gotten a Zorn digest in weeks, and my message has never
come up.

There has been a lot of talk on this list about Buckethead, so I thought I'd
give out this information. For those of you who didn't know, the music for
the movie "Last Action Hero" was done by Buckethead. The soundtrack
unfortunately only had one song of Buckethead's, to make room for all the
popular alterna-metal bands that they put in the movie to make some bucks.
Well, I happen to have stumbled upon 2 copies of a 2nd Last Action Hero
Soundtrack featuring all songs by Buckethead at a nearby used CD store. I've
never seen this CD anywhere else before, so I'm not sure how common/rare it
is. So, I figured I'd offer it to anyone here who wants a copy. The price
was $7.99, so it would cost you $10 if you want me to buy it for you ($2
postage). Please e-mail me if you're interested in purchasing this disc, and
if there is a lot of interest in it, maybe I'll aution it off (to be fair to
the digest subscribers). Please let me know if anyone's interested.

Matt Walsh
[e-mail]


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From: "Allen Huotari" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn In China?
Date: 05 Feb 1996 15:07:35 PST


     the latest OPTION magazine has an article about Scorn

     in the article, Mick Harris mentions that Zorn now lives in China for
     6 months out of the year

     well...I know Zorn used to spend a lot of time in Japan and although I
     don't track Zorn's geographical location as closely as his music, I'd
     still like to know what the story behind this is

     forgive me if this is old news, please respond directly to me if it is
     deemed that a response to the group at large is a waste of bandwidth


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Zorn In China?
Date: 06 Feb 1996 13:24:22 -0500

I think the writer was confused. Mr. Zorn lives in Japan for 6 months. The
other 6 are at the Knitting Factory.


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From: Matt Walsh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Buckethead CD
Date: 06 Feb 1996 14:03:00 PST


I'm responding to my own post I sent earlier today to apologize on a
"slight" mistake I made. I just went to the CD store that had the copy of
the "Last Action Hero" soundtrack to make sure I was correct about
everything, and I wasn't entirely correct. The soundtrack was composed by
Michael Kamen. The band that Kamen put together includes Buckethead on
guitar. I don't know exactly how many songs Buckethead performs on, but I'm
assuming most of them because not only is he listed second on the list of
musicians only under Kamen, but the sticker on the disc says "Featured
Performances By BUCKETHEAD". So, I'm sorry if I led anyone the wrong way, if
anyone is still interested in purchasing the disc. I will either get it for
you for $10 ($7.99 + $2 shipping), or to be fair to digest subscribers like
me who sometimes get these posts a week or so after they were originally
posted, if there is numerous interest in the disc, I will auction it off to
the 2 highest bidders.

Matt Walsh
[e-mail]


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From: Dan VanderKooi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Buckethead CD
Date: 06 Feb 1996 17:27:14 -0500 (EST)

My understanding, and I believe I got this informaion  from one of the
many buckethead web sites on the net, is that Buckethead is on two
tracks. I woudlnt be suprised if one of the tracks was the same as on the
other soundtrack? By the way, does anyone know of any buckethead sites
that featur either articles on music written by Buckethead, or
tab/transcriptions of his songs? I am in a band, and one of the songs we
do is "Child King". If anyone is interested in the main riff, I could
probably put up the tab for it.

On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Matt Walsh wrote:

>
> I'm responding to my own post I sent earlier today to apologize on a
> "slight" mistake I made. I just went to the CD store that had the copy of
> the "Last Action Hero" soundtrack to make sure I was correct about
> everything, and I wasn't entirely correct. The soundtrack was composed by
> Michael Kamen. The band that Kamen put together includes Buckethead on
> guitar. I don't know exactly how many songs Buckethead performs on, but I'm
> assuming most of them because not only is he listed second on the list of
> musicians only under Kamen, but the sticker on the disc says "Featured
> Performances By BUCKETHEAD". So, I'm sorry if I led anyone the wrong way, if
> anyone is still interested in purchasing the disc. I will either get it for
> you for $10 ($7.99 + $2 shipping), or to be fair to digest subscribers like
> me who sometimes get these posts a week or so after they were originally
> posted, if there is numerous interest in the disc, I will auction it off to
> the 2 highest bidders.
>
> Matt Walsh
> [e-mail]
>
>


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From: Bob Boster <[e-mail]>
Subject: The List 02/02 (sf punk/punk/thrash/ska) (fwd)
Date: 08 Feb 1996 10:13:49 +48000



feb 23 fri Charles Gayle (NYC) at Sproul Plaza, UC Berkeley a/a free noon (jazz)

Found this on THE LIST.  ANyone have any idea if Mr. Gayle has any other
Bay Area appearances planned or did he come all this way just to play
outside for free?  Any info on this would be appreciated, direct mail is
fine.

Thanks in advance.

Bob
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Funhouse web site
Date: 08 Feb 1996 21:03:32 -0500

There may not be any Zorn-specific info but i think many of you might be
interested in my new web site, Funhouse.  It's got reviews, lists and
articles about music, movies and books.  (Leave anything out?)  Also a
contact listing for labels, publications, etc and the archive for my e-zine
Weekly Report.

http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm

Best, Lang Thompson


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From: Ellis Godard <[e-mail]>
Subject: get me off, PLEASE
Date: 09 Feb 1996 03:36:44 -0500

I have NO idea why, but the unsubscribe features are NOT working for me.
Doesnt work to [e-mail] anymore because of the new software,
but [e-mail] doesn't either, and I can't find a list
owner.

Will someone PLEASE get me unsubscribed.

Sorry for the bandwidth, but after 10 different attempts over a seven day
period, this is the only option left.

Ellis

   John Ellington ("Ellis") Godard, Jr. [phone] phone/fax
    Sociology Doctoral Candidate, SOC 495: Research Workshop TA
  [e-mail][e-mail][e-mail]
         homepage: http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~jeg5s
          US Post: PO Box 3350, Charlottesville, VA 22903

            "I hate quotations. Tell me what you know."
              Ralph Waldo Emerson, Journal, May 1849



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From: [e-mail] (Simon Williams-Burns)
Subject: re:ellis godard;get me off!!!
Date: 09 Feb 1996 15:18:28 +0000

ha ha ...someone else who's had the same problem...i tried to unsubscribe
from the noo system and go back to the old condensed kinda setup, which is
promised in the xmission mail i recieved when everything changed (just
before christmas(?))...and i still get several million individual messages
to wade through every other day ...THIS NIGHTMARE MUST
CEASE!!!!!!....ellis, yoo have a comrade!

CRAYOLAxxx



                         REALITY IS THE ORIGINAL RORSCACH.

                             "When in doubt, fuck it,
                 When not in doubt, get in doubt"-P.O.E.E. slogan.



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From: [e-mail] (SEAN TERWILLIGER)
Subject: Aisha and Wayne
Date: 09 Feb 1996 10:31:00 -500

Just in case anyone isn't aware of it... Aisha Kandisha's Jarring
Effects: _Shabeestation_ is finally out in the US on Ryko! THis is an
excellent Laswell produced Moroccan funk disc with Bernie Worrell and
Wm. Burroughs. It's been out for a few years on Barabarity Records.

-Sean

Also, The Wayne Horvitz/Pigpen Live disc is out and Fantastic!

-Sean

 * 1st 2.00 * 1stReader: Nil Sine Magna Labore


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From: [e-mail] (SEAN TERWILLIGER)
Subject: Re: Aisha and Wayne
Date: 09 Feb 1996 15:08:00 -500

JS>At 7:31 AM 2/9/96, SEAN TERWILLIGER wrote:
  >>Just in case anyone isn't aware of it... Aisha Kandisha's Jarring
  >>Effects: _Shabeestation_ is finally out in the US on Ryko! THis is an
  >>excellent Laswell produced Moroccan funk disc with Bernie Worrell and
  >>Wm. Burroughs. It's been out for a few years on Barabarity Records.

JS>William Burroughs doesn't appear on the Barbarity disc, and although I
  >don't have a copy of the Ryko release, it was my understanding that it was
  >going to be identical to the Barbarity.  Maybe something changed...

JS>Also, there was an excellent follow-up to _Shabeesation_ using the band
  >name Ahlam, titled _Acting Salam_, much of which was produced by Laswell.

Yep, you're right... I meant Umar. Sorry. I have the Barbarity as well.
Just saw the Ryko yesterday and thought I'd mention them. The Ahlam is
good as well. There are also another AKJE and Ahlam disc(s) that are
not produced by Bill, but are good as well.

-Sean

-Sean

 * 1st 2.00 ~ A bad plan is better than no plan at all.


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From: [e-mail] (m. rizzi)
Subject: READ ME - list update
Date: 09 Feb 1996 15:49:27 -0800 (PST)


    Hello Everyone on the zorn-list

    As I mentioned a week ago, our hosts have changed
    the mail-list software that operates the zorn-list.

    Currently, it is not working all that well. From
    what I can tell, the regular daily list is sending
    out messages to everyone in a reasonable manner.
    The digest form of the list is still a bit funky
    (feel free to email me privately with any helpful
    information).

    The WORST thing is that *NO ONE* can subscribe
    or unsubscribe to the lists on their own. So if
    you want to change your status, please email
    me ([e-mail]).

    Please be patient as I am going away for a 5 day
    vacation starting now.

    Keep up the music conversation!

    cheers,
    mike rizzi
    zorn-list maintainer

--
[e-mail] ------------------------------------------- [e-mail]
-=work=-             "Another nerd with a soulpatch"              -=home=-


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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Naked Lunch
Date: 10 Feb 1996 11:45:16 +0100 (MET)

Has anybody heard the Naked Lunch cd which Wayne Horvitz and Bill Frisell
wrote the music for?

Jonas


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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Douglas/Zorn/Eye
Date: 10 Feb 1996 16:03:25 +0100 (MET)

Has anybody heard the Dave Douglas/Zorn/Yamantaka Eye record?

Jonas


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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch
Date: 10 Feb 1996 19:35:43 +0100 (MET)



On Sat, 10 Feb 1996, Downtown Music wrote:

> i thought it was ornette coleman

No, thats the soundtrack for the movie by David Cronenberg. I'm talking
about a cd with somebody (not Burroughs) reading the novel to music by
Frisell and Horvitz.

Jonas


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From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch
Date: 10 Feb 1996 15:26:20 -0500

Yes, my girlfriend got it for me for Christmas. And it is Burroughs
reading, not somebody else. On Warner Audio Books label.

The music, I think is cool - spooky, ambient type stuff - VERY much more in
the style of Bill Frisell, both his playing and composition, than Horvitz.

The music only serves interludally (don't know if that's a word or not). A
good portion of it is just Burroughs speaking...which in itself gets
downright spooky a lot - one could easilly freak oneself out listening to
this alone at 3 am. It helps if you've read the book too so that you can
recognize the 'events' - it's not really in the form of Seven Souls or
Spare Ass Annie. The music kind of serves as a reverse-narration in that it
comes inbetween episodes and does some commentary. The entire collection
(not the entire book) is 3 CDs.

The music is good for the medium, but don't get it thinking you're buying a
music CD. Nothing they play is incredibly long or drawn out - and they
aren't even mentioned on the CD cover - only inside in the credits. So it's
like, WSB reads Naked Lunch with incidental music by Bill Frisell and Wayne
Horvitz. I could see Warner Audio Books not wanting to market it like that
so people would get it for Burroughs words and not Frisell and Horvitz's
music. Or who knows, maybe Burroughs didn't want it marketed like that. Or
Bill and Wayne didn't.

At 7:35 PM 2/10/96, Torsten Nielsen wrote:
>On Sat, 10 Feb 1996, Downtown Music wrote:
>
>> i thought it was ornette coleman
>
>No, thats the soundtrack for the movie by David Cronenberg. I'm talking
>about a cd with somebody (not Burroughs) reading the novel to music by
>Frisell and Horvitz.
>
>Jonas

Matthew Ross Davis, Webmaestro                  HuskyLabs
[e-mail]                            [phone]
mailto:[e-mail] (NetscapeMail)   12C Parkway Dr.
http://www.butterfly.net/mozart/mdavis/         Greenbelt, MD 20770



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Douglas/Zorn/Eye
Date: 10 Feb 1996 19:13:50 -0500

A Douglas/Zorn/Eye collaboration?  Someone please fill me in on this
project...


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Greg Bendian
Date: 11 Feb 1996 11:52:49 -0500

Just wanted to recommend checking out someone I saw
at the Knitting Factory last night.  It was the Greg Bendian trio,
which also featured Steve Hunt and Skuli Sverrison.
Greg is a drummer, he's played with Cecil Taylor, and has a
couple of records out, one is a duet with Derek Bailey.  Maybe
somebody else can recommend more recordings with him.


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From: plantarm <[e-mail]>
Subject: zorn and hardcore
Date: 11 Feb 1996 16:34:07 -0500 (EST)

fellow listers:
i am looking for a hypothetical zorn recording which most and best
utilizes his love of hardcore and thrash.  i have the 1st naked
city album, painkiller's "execution ground" and "spy v. spy"; my
favorite moments on all of them tend to be when zorn and co. really
cut loose and get ASSAULTIVE.  therefore, i was wondering if there
are any ensembles or albums which are consistently in this vein.

eric


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From: "Michael Haber (NC)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn and hardcore
Date: 11 Feb 1996 18:10:45 -0500 (EST)



On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, plantarm wrote:

> fellow listers:
> i am looking for a hypothetical zorn recording which most and best
> utilizes his love of hardcore and thrash.  i have the 1st naked
> city album, painkiller's "execution ground" and "spy v. spy"; my
> favorite moments on all of them tend to be when zorn and co. really
> cut loose and get ASSAULTIVE.  therefore, i was wondering if there
> are any ensembles or albums which are consistently in this vein.
>
> eric
>
>
I'd recommend the Torture Garden album or just about any project with Eye
(or how about Pop Tatari by the Boredoms just as the essential
zorn-influenced quasi-hc album?)
Mike
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Buckethead
Date: 11 Feb 1996 19:18:31 -0400

i dont want to make to lentghly an explanation but here it is.  i work for
an guitar amplifier company in southern california,  and we got a call last
week from buckethead as he was looking to try out our amps.  me being a big
fan totally surprised him "you've heard of me?"  is a direct quote.  hes
coming to the factory this week sometime and i was planning on asking him a
few questions that have come up here recently if the opportunity presents
itself.  this seems a bit silly to be telling tou all this but as i am
exctited to get to meet him ive tried to tell some people i know and would
you belive it they had a hard time sharing my excitment?   so i figured you
all at least to some degree could appreciate it.  anyway ill keep you
posted.

david

Cattiva come adesso, non sono stato mai.



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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn and hardcore
Date: 12 Feb 1996 08:11:48 +0100 (MET)

Try "Guts Of A Virgin" by Painkiller and "Lo Flux Tube" by Old.

Jonas


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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Douglas/Zorn/Eye
Date: 12 Feb 1996 10:30:06 +0100 (MET)

On Sat, 10 Feb 1996 [e-mail] wrote:

> A Douglas/Zorn/Eye collaboration?  Someone please fill me in on this
> project...
>
From the Sore Diamonds discography:

******************************************************************************
                    DAVE DOUGLAS/JOHN ZORN/YAMATSUKA EYE

LINE-UP:  DAVE DOUGLAS--Trumpet; JOHN ZORN--Alto sax; YAMATSUKA EYE **-Vocals

_Live at Pecci Museum (Italy), March 7, 1995_ (No label name--DAN 1--7")

Four untitled tracks.

In print.  Pressed on opaque orange vinyl.  Bootleg, most likely.
*****************************************************************************



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From: "Turfle Joe" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Any good shows in NYC this coming weekend?
Date: 12 Feb 1996 08:19:27 -0400


Some friends and I are going down to NYC for President's Day weekend, and I'm
wondering if there'll be any interesting/exciting/just-plain-crazy shows
between Friday night (Feb 16) and Monday night.  Thanks in advance..

Joe


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Buckethead
Date: 12 Feb 1996 14:48:30 -0500

Ask Mr. Buckethead if he has any forthcoming projects coming out. Get his
opinion on the Last Action Hero 2 soundtrack. Will his Japanese only Sony
release make it here? Thanks!


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From: Silent Bob <[e-mail]>
Subject: Harras
Date: 14 Feb 1996 15:30:37 +0000 (GMT)

Can anybody inform on the style of this recording? It is one of the few
Zorn releases i can find here(along with Cobra '94 and Masada 2).
Thanks

Nicholas Vassiliou
York,UK


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From: [e-mail] (John Shiurba)
Subject: Re: zorn and hardcore
Date: 14 Feb 1996 10:58:36 GMT

 >my favorite moments on all of them tend to be when zorn and co. really
>cut loose and get ASSAULTIVE.  therefore, i was wondering if there
>are any ensembles or albums which are consistently in this vein.

to my ears the most consistently "hardcore" sounding recordings of zorn's are
these:

naked city: torture garden (also contained w/in 'grand guignol' cd)
naked city: leng tch'e
painkiller: guts of a virgin
painkiller: buried secrets
painkiller: rituals (live in japan)


shiurba


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From: tkorpipa <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: zorn and hardcore
Date: 15 Feb 1996 12:39:58 +0200 (GMT+0200)


>  >my favorite moments on all of them tend to be when zorn and co. really
> >cut loose and get ASSAULTIVE.  therefore, i was wondering if there
> >are any ensembles or albums which are consistently in this vein.
>=20
> to my ears the most consistently "hardcore" sounding recordings of zorn's=
 are
> these:
>=20
> naked city: torture garden (also contained w/in 'grand guignol' cd)
> naked city: leng tch'e
> painkiller: guts of a virgin
> painkiller: buried secrets
> painkiller: rituals (live in japan)
>=20
> shiurba

Don=ABt forget the cover of The Stooges=AB =ABTV Eye=AB what appeared on th=
e Electra
record company=ABs compilation record some years ago. It isn=ABt as chaotic=
 or
noisy as some of the above-mentioned records, but stunning anyway. The band
included at least Eye, Bob Quine, Joey Baron (?), Frisell (???) and Zorn.=
=20
Actually Zorn plays very little (any?) sax on the song, acting more as a
conductor on this one, I guess. Check it out. The compilation=ABs name was=
=20
something like =ABRubayiat=AB, can=ABt remember. Contains also many other s=
trange,
good or just plain perverse combinations. One of the latter kind is Gipsy
King doing quasi-flamenco =ABHotel California=AB... Bill Frisell band (with
guest vox) play a beautiful version of some Dylan piece and Kronos Quartet
play =ABMarquee Moon=AB (the song, not the album).

Teemu

=09=09from: Teemu ---> [e-mail]
=09'I can't forget...
   =09      but I don't remember what'
=09=09     -Leonard Cohen-


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From: "Matt W. Glassmeyer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Jongleurs and Cage
Date: 15 Feb 1996 10:43:35 -0500 (EST)

Howdy,

For those of  you interested in Jongleur discussion your can reach their
list at [e-mail]

They just finished a tour of the southeast and recorded an album in
Atlanta that's scheduled to be available in the spring for a
Northeastern tour.

Also, I know I'm a bit behind the times with that whole Cage/silence
discussion but, Peter Chen and others might be interested in a quote I
heard on the John Cage/Roland Kirk Video. Many of you may have heard it
but I didn't see it on the list during the discussion on Cage's interest
in silence and its impossibility.  He said (I hope it's exact):

"Get thee to an
anechoic chamber.
Hear there thy nervous system in operation.
Hear there thy blood in circulation."

bye


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From: "Michael Haber (NC)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Gilles Deleuze tribute?
Date: 15 Feb 1996 12:01:11 -0500 (EST)

I recently heard a rumor that sub rosa records is going to put out a
tribute album to French philosopher Gilles Deleuze featuring, I was told,
Main and perhaps Joey Baron.  Anyone have any information??  As this is
probably not exactly suited to this list, feel free to e-mail me direct.
Thanks
mike
[e-mail]


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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn films
Date: 16 Feb 1996 10:33:03 +0100 (MET)

I just saw that Zorn made the music for a film called Hoelderlin Comics
(1994). Has anybody seen it (or some of the other films he made the music
for)?

Jonas


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From: D Alexander Bailey <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Gilles Deleuze tribute?
Date: 17 Feb 1996 16:53:52 -0800 (PST)


I've got to be the world's greatest Sub Rosa fan.  That aside, I'll admit
that only a few items in their catalogue are relevant to this list (i.e.
Marc Ribot, David Shea, etc).  Joey Baron by all means.

This is all I know.  I just looked up the label at cdconnection.com, and
found this entry:

FOLDS & RHIZOMES (FOR GI FOLDS & RHIZOMES (FOR GILLES D
 $15.63     SUB ROSA  2/96

Doesn't tell you a lot, but the fact that it's already in
cdconnection.com's database means that it is probably already in the
local stores.  Which is where you'll find me sometime before the weekend
is out.

xander


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Folds and Rhizomes/Cobra/Parachute
Date: 18 Feb 1996 03:54:00 -0500

Folds and Rhizomes isn't really relevant to this list but has been out for a
few weeks and is one of my favorite records in a while. It features new ten
minute tracks by Mouse On Mars, Oval, Main, and Scanner, all of which stand
with their best work, and a shorter piece by David Shea (along with someone
else, my copy's lent out right now). Highly recommended for anyone who's
considering dabbling in modern electronica for the first time.

Zorn content: I didn't pick up the Japanese Cobra record initially because
I'm not a big fan of the Hat Art Cobra. However, after reading David Toop's
recent rave in The Wire, I bought it and think it's pretty great. Zorn's
really outdone himself with this most recent set of four superb releases
(Cobra, Harras, and the two most recent Masada discs). Anyone know when we're
supposed to see that Parachute box released on Tzadik? I can't wait for that.

Jon


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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Folds and Rhizomes/Cobra/Parachute
Date: 18 Feb 1996 15:50:27 -0800


On Sun, 18 Feb 1996 03:54:00 -0500  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> Folds and Rhizomes isn't really relevant to this list but has been out for a
> few weeks and is one of my favorite records in a while. It features new ten
> minute tracks by Mouse On Mars, Oval, Main, and Scanner, all of which stand
> with their best work, and a shorter piece by David Shea (along with someone
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Any idea who is playing on David Shea's track?

> else, my copy's lent out right now). Highly recommended for anyone who's
> considering dabbling in modern electronica for the first time.
>
> Zorn content: I didn't pick up the Japanese Cobra record initially because
> I'm not a big fan of the Hat Art Cobra. However, after reading David Toop's
> recent rave in The Wire, I bought it and think it's pretty great. Zorn's
> really outdone himself with this most recent set of four superb releases
> (Cobra, Harras, and the two most recent Masada discs). Anyone know when we're
> supposed to see that Parachute box released on Tzadik? I can't wait for that.

Not immediately. The next delivery of Tzadik releases is planned on April
and it will contain only two reissues: CLASSIC GUIDE OF STRATEGY and FILMWORKS
VOL. 2.

Besides these reissues, there will be one Elliott Sharp (XENO-CODEX, initially
planned on Avant), one Leo Smith and a vocal trio formed of Yoshida Tatsuya,
Eyvind Kang and Li Chin Sung.

    Patrice.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Yoshida's Vocal Trio
Date: 19 Feb 1996 10:48:16 -0500

I had heard something about Tatsuya Yoshida recording in the context of a
vocal trio, but was under the impression that this was not to be released for
quite some time, and even then on God Mountain as opposed to Tzadik.
 Recently I picked up a copy of an untitled limited edition (with hand made
cover artwork) compact disc by Jason Willet and Ruins (released through
Megaphone Records Limited series), and it is seriously demented and
beautiful.  I have been looking for others who are as fantical about
Yoshida's work as I am for quite some time, but have yet to hook up with
anyone.  Any clues on where to look for these like minded listeners, or maybe
clues on where to look for a discography?  I have a substantial number of
Yoshida's CD's, but I am pretty sure that I am missing some, and would like
to know what exactly they are.  "Infect" has been eluding me for two years
now, as SSE CD's have no outlet here in Chicago... any mail order services
that anyone here knows of that carry this?  I realize that I haven't even
mentioned the musician who's has been appropriated and used as the title of
this mailing list, but the jump from Zorn to Yoshida is not such a large and
treacherous one, and this would be as likely a place as any to seek out some
information regarding one of the world's most insanely wonderful composers...


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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: DISCOGRAPHY: Otomo Yoshihide
Date: 19 Feb 1996 17:20:27 -0800


    To let you know that I have posted a discography of Otomo Yoshihide
by Suzuki Naoko (with some help from myself) on many news groups:

    rec.music.bluenote
    alt.music.alternative
    rec.music.progressive

    Patrice.


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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Folds and Rhizomes/Cobra/Parachute
Date: 20 Feb 1996 08:05:39 -0800


On Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:25:51 -0800  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> At 3:50 PM 2/18/96, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> >
> >Besides these reissues, there will be one Elliott Sharp (XENO-CODEX, initially
> >planned on Avant), one Leo Smith and a vocal trio formed of Yoshida Tatsuya,
> >Eyvind Kang and Li Chin Sung.
> >
> Does this mean Eyvind is singing? I mean, he's a great violinist, and given
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sounds like :-).

> how little he's recorded, I'm surprised that he'd do a record on something
> other than his primary instrument. Plus, the vocals are generally my least
> favorite part of Ruins records. Still, I'll probably buy it when it comes
> out....
>
> What do you know about the Elliott Sharp record? What type of ensemble is it?

This is all I know:


*** - XENO.CODEX: Elliott Sharp

    1/ Intifada
    2/ X-Topia

  Elliott Sharp; Soldier String Quartet.

    1996 - Tzadik (Japan), TZ ???? (CD)

  Note: not released yet (April 1996).


    Patrice.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Environment For Sextet
Date: 20 Feb 1996 13:51:41 -0500

Andrea Centazzo's "Environment For Sextet" from 1978 has (finally) been given
a release on compact disc... the line up is Centazzo on percussion, John Zorn
on reeds, Polly Bradfield on violin, Eugene Chadbourne on guitar, Tom Cora on
cello, and Toshinori Kondo on trumpet.  The CD presents about 45 minutes of
structured improvisation performed by the sextet, as well as a five minute
duo between Centazzo and Zorn... all in all an excellent recording both in
terms of sound and artistry.  This CD was apparently originally issued by
Ictus way back when, and I have never been able to locate a vinyl copy of it,
so this CD reissue by New Tone is quite welcome.  Check it out...


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From: [e-mail] (m. rizzi)
Subject: Vacation
Date: 21 Feb 1996 11:41:58 -0800 (PST)


    Hello zorn-list'ers!

    I'll be going on vacation for 10 days (returning
    March 2nd), so there will not be any subscribing
    or unsubscribing during that period.

    I feel like a dominatrix or something. :)

    Thanks for your patience,
    mike rizzi
    zorn-list maintainer

    p.s. I'll gladly accept any eating suggestions
    for Taos, NM
--
[e-mail] ------------------------------------------- [e-mail]
-=work=-             "Another nerd with a soulpatch"              -=home=-
                      http://www.meer.net/~browbeat/
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: buckethead came to my work...
Date: 21 Feb 1996 19:19:38 -0700

if you mat recall i told you all that buckethead was coming to my work,  i
build guitar amps,  he did yesterday.  unfortunately i did not have to
opportunity to get to talk to him and ask him any questions.  i did however
get a little info through my boss.  he is apparently playing a number of
gigs in the frisco area soon,  i don't know with whom or when.   and on a
uninteresting note he liked the amp and i guess he's planning on using
them,  truth be told im not sure if its cool to tell you that but i don't
see why not???????   i did get to hear him play for about a half hour as he
was listening to the amp,  he was amazing.  i haven't had the opportunity
yet to see him play live and this was a real treat.  he is also as i
understand it from my coworkers a really sweet guy very soft spoken.  i
hope this is interesting enough to waste this bandwidth.  oh and he's
supposed to come back on Friday so hopefully ill get to meet him,  again i
apologize for my seemingly juvenile enthusiasm about this but you people
are the only ones i know that this would mean anything to so....

david

Cattiva come adesso, non sono stato mai.



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From: scott mclemore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Gilles Deleuze tribute?
Date: 22 Feb 1996 16:10:59 -0500 (EST)



On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Michael Haber (NC) wrote:

> I recently heard a rumor that sub rosa records is going to put out a
> tribute album to French philosopher Gilles Deleuze featuring, I was told,
> Main and perhaps Joey Baron.  Anyone have any information??  As this is
> probably not exactly suited to this list, feel free to e-mail me direct.
> Thanks
> mike
> [e-mail]
>
>
What, or who is "Main?"
Scott McLemore
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Jonathan Chang)
Subject: where is everybody?
Date: 22 Feb 1996 15:00:17 -0800

i haven't been getting my zorn-related email for almost a month.  is anyone
out there?



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Gilles Deleuze tribute?
Date: 23 Feb 1996 13:39:00 +0100

FROM: SAM / INET ([e-mail])

  TO: HABER / INET ([e-mail])

  CC: ZORN-LIST / INET ([e-mail])

Hi,

Main can't really interest this mail list, but as it is an interesting band...

It's a neo-psychedelic group formed with an ex-member of Loop. They have
recorded 6 LP's and their last record is 6 EP's Box called 'Hz' very ambient.
Their last records are more ambient as their first records maybe more
interesting.

From memory :

- Hydra-calm (one of their best, with a beautiful cover in trancing paper with
red radiographic skulls ) ;
- ? (don't remember, have it at home)
- ? (don't remember, have it at home)
- Firmament
- Firmament II
- Hz (6 EP's in a box send with last EP's (EP's as CD single)).

"Drumless space..."
[e-mail]

______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________
Author:  SAM ([e-mail]) at inet




On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Michael Haber (NC) wrote:

> I recently heard a rumor that sub rosa records is going to put out a
> tribute album to French philosopher Gilles Deleuze featuring, I was told,
> Main and perhaps Joey Baron.  Anyone have any information??  As this is
> probably not exactly suited to this list, feel free to e-mail me direct.
> Thanks
> mike
> [e-mail]
>
>
What, or who is "Main?"
Scott McLemore
[e-mail]


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From: Me <[e-mail]>
Subject: Derek Bailey
Date: 23 Feb 1996 17:35:38 -0600 (CST)


The new issue of Pulse (a magazine published by Tower Records) has a
one-page interview with Derek Bailey.  Definately worth checking out, it
mentions two intreguing projects.  The first is the disc with Bill
Laswell and Tony Williams on DIW that was mentioned on the list a couple
of weeks ago.  The second has also been mentioned here, it's an album
callled "Jungle" on Zorn's Avant label.  It will be an duet of sorts
between Bailey and a London DJ playing jungle music (or drum n bass
music as some prefer to call it).  Does anyone have any idea when this
album is due to be released?

Out 2 lunch with lunchmeat,

Paul
[e-mail]
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  GROOVE   "Real individual self-expression is so rare, so rare, that when the
---------- person uses any kind of stimulant to maintain his emotional energy,
one nation it always works against his expression."           -Ornette Coleman
           ----------------------O(+>-Emancipation-1996?----------------------


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Omonimo cd
Date: 24 Feb 1996 11:27:13 -0500

I copied this from the Tim Berne discography:

029 - OMONIMO: The Bang

    1/ Dartman                                  (Berne)                 12:40
    2/ Dazed And Confused                       (J. Page)               11:34
    3/ Calma E Gesso                            (Zorzi, Ederle)         10:00
    4/ Fourth                                   (improvisation)          4:14
    5/ The Rose In The Beer                     (Feldman)               15:57

    Recorded live at Roccella Jonica August 1990

  Roberto Zorzi: ghost guitar, driver, cover man; Tim Berne: alto; Matteo
  Ederle: keyboards, cover man; Mark Feldman: violin; Percy Jones: electric
  bass; Bobby Previte: drums; Herb Robertson: trumpet, flugelhorn.

    1991 - Nueva, NC 3011 (CD)

I've tried to find this cd and have come up with nothing.  I've checked
all the cd databases, and cant find anything on the label either.  SO,
if anybody out there can hook me up with a copy, or point me in the
right direction, please get in touch!!!


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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Trevor Dunn, Eye & Yoshihide
Date: 24 Feb 1996 23:13:38 +0100 (MET)

Does Zorn still work with Trevor Dunn?

Anybody know where I can get the live cd by MC Hellshit (Yamantaka Eye)
and DJ Carhouse (Otomo Yoshihde) og something by Eye's band Concrete Octopus?

Jonas


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From: "Chris C." <[e-mail]>
Subject: recommended listening compilation
Date: 24 Feb 1996 19:06:52 -0500 (EST)

Hey now:

    I've been compiling a list of all of the messages people have
sent to the zorn-list listserv in which they recommend an artist or
album. I cut and pasted all of these messages from the archive at
xmission.com.

    Check it out for more info. I still have a lot of editing to do
(there are messages to add, links to add, credits to be handed out) I will
try to update this list regularly. Let me know how you all feel about
this, dig?

    It's at http://www.cnct.com/home/eyeball/zlr

Later days,
   Chris


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From: [e-mail] (Stefan Gustafsson)
Subject: Unidentified subject!
Date: 24 Feb 1996 15:29:04 -0800

hello

anybody knows if any
live recordings with
naked city exists?

how and where could
i get hold of them?

zegge


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From: "Chris C." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: recommended listening compilation
Date: 24 Feb 1996 19:25:21 -0500 (EST)

Hey now:

    Sorry for this second message.

    Since cnct.com isn't always reliable (the web server, anyway), I
am also going to keep a copy of the site at:

        http://jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu/~resident/zlr

Later days,
   Chris


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Trevor Dunn, Eye & Yoshihide
Date: 24 Feb 1996 20:34:41 -0500

The Blast First/Wire Eye & Otomo disc (a 3" CD) should be available either
through Forced Exposure (they have carried other discs in the same series) or
directly through Wire Magazine (I'll look around for their e mail address).
 I don't know much about Dunn's working relationship with Zorn, but I could
recommend some other releases where Dunn's bass thumping is on beautiful
display... "Snaps Erupt At Pure Spans" by Graham Connah Group or the self
titled effort by Junk Genius.  I've also heard that Dunn and Spruance are
working on something with Ben Goldberg (of New Klezmer Trio and Junk
Genius)... sounds interesting.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Date: 25 Feb 1996 14:38:21 -0500

I have five hours of Naked City live on video tape recorded during the Zorn
40th birthday festival at the Knitting Factory a few years back... I believe
that Knitting Factory had planned on releasing this stuff on their label but
am not quite sure what ever became of it.  Other than that, I do not know of
any other live recordings by Naked City (except perhaps on a compilation or
what not).

Required listening for the week of 2/26: NRG Ensemble "This Is My House"


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Date: 26 Feb 1996 00:13:23 -0500

Are any of the Naked City videos for sale?


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From: "James A. Ross" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Trevor Dunn, Eye & Yoshihide
Date: 27 Feb 1996 16:52:30 -0600 (CST)


    Does anybody know of any recordings of Zorn and Trevor Dunn,
besides the bungle albums...I got to witness the beauty of them playing
in davis, California a few years ago and I've never been able to find
a recording of them....Please help if you can......

Muchas gracias.....
J-


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Date: 27 Feb 1996 18:02:24 -0500

Well, there are way too many people interested in getting copies of the live
Naked City videos... just making enough copies for eveyone would take an
amount of time which I do not have to spare.  I could very easily make one or
two sets (the five hours is stretched over two cassettes), and then the rest
of you could begin copying them and trading them amongst each other... this
obviously takes more time in the long run, but it saves everyone a lot of
time by breaking up the task of copying the tapes among all of the interested
people.  Set up a ladder of traders, and I'll gladly make copies for the
people on the first two steps...
As for the NRG Ensemble... they are, quite simply,  the loudest, heaviest,
most insane avant garde jazz engine currently in existence.  The line up on
their just released eighth album, "This Is My House," is the same as was
featured on their seventh, "Calling All Mothers..." Mars Williams and Ken
Vandermark on reeds, Kent Kessler and Brian Sandstrom on bass (as well as
some trumpet and guitar for Sandstrom), and Steve Hunt on drums, vibes, and
percussion.  Dan Scanlan (Broken Wire) makes an appearance on one track
playing violin, and Don Meckley (Liof Munimula) makes an appearance on one
track playing a short wave radio.  "This Is My House" easily stands up with
the always incredible previous NRG offerings, and offers a beautiful glimpse
into an invigorating stage of their ever changing sound.  Check it out, and
keep an eye open in May for a disc by Cinghiale, a duo project featuring NRG
screamers Williams and Vandermark.


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From: Bob Boster <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Date: 27 Feb 1996 19:13:15 +48000



On Tue, 27 Feb 1996 [e-mail] wrote:

> Well, there are way too many people interested in getting copies of the live
> Naked City videos... just making enough copies for eveyone would take an
> amount of time which I do not have to spare.  I could very easily make one or
> two sets (the five hours is stretched over two cassettes), and then the rest
> of you could begin copying them and trading them amongst each other... this
> obviously takes more time in the long run, but it saves everyone a lot of
> time by breaking up the task of copying the tapes among all of the interested
> people.  Set up a ladder of traders, and I'll gladly make copies for the
> people on the first two steps...

I'd be happy to take responsibility for a Bay Area taping tree and have
relatively good access to dubbing facilities.  Please mail me directly
with info about how you want to proceed and I will post to find the 8 to 12
people I can dub for in the Bay Area.

Bob
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (John Shiurba)
Subject: Re: Re: Unidentified subject!
Date: 28 Feb 1996 07:02:27 GMT

> Well, there are way too many people interested in getting copies of the live
> Naked City videos... just making enough copies for eveyone would take an
> amount of time which I do not have to spare.  I could very easily make one
or
> two sets (the five hours is stretched over two cassettes), and then the
rest
> of you could begin copying them and trading them amongst each other... this
> obviously takes more time in the long run, but it saves everyone a lot of
> time by breaking up the task of copying the tapes among all of the
interested
> people.  Set up a ladder of traders, and I'll gladly make copies for the
> people on the first two steps...

are we talking about large scale bootlegging without permission here?
where do these tapes come from?
this seems a bit on the sleazy side to me.

shiurba


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From: Jeff Schwartz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Date: 28 Feb 1996 02:27:28 -0500 (EST)

I'd do this for the Midwest, if we're going to do a tape tree, as we should.


On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, Bob Boster wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, 27 Feb 1996 [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > Well, there are way too many people interested in getting copies of the live
> > Naked City videos... just making enough copies for eveyone would take an
> > amount of time which I do not have to spare.  I could very easily make one or
> > two sets (the five hours is stretched over two cassettes), and then the rest
> > of you could begin copying them and trading them amongst each other... this
> > obviously takes more time in the long run, but it saves everyone a lot of
> > time by breaking up the task of copying the tapes among all of the interested
> > people.  Set up a ladder of traders, and I'll gladly make copies for the
> > people on the first two steps...
>
> I'd be happy to take responsibility for a Bay Area taping tree and have
> relatively good access to dubbing facilities.  Please mail me directly
> with info about how you want to proceed and I will post to find the 8 to 12
> people I can dub for in the Bay Area.
>
> Bob
> [e-mail]
>




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From: [e-mail] (Stefan Gustafsson)
Subject: bootleg?
Date: 28 Feb 1996 08:15:40 -0800

hey, this is about people
digging the music and trying
to get hold of as much of it
as possible.

the guy is not selling the
stuff comercially to make
a lot of money. it's a very
restricted group of people
(as far as i know)

zegge


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: bootleg?
Date: 28 Feb 1996 12:16:33 -0500

What exactly is the difference between making a copy of the video tape for
one person and making a copy of the video tape for one person with the
understanding that the person will copy it for someone else (and so on)?  I
guess that you could call it bootlegging, but I can see how more than a few
people would take some sort of offense at that notion, seeing as how the end
result in what is happening here (fans of the music have another document,
albeit unauthorized, of the performance unit in question) is so different
from the end result in more traditional forms of bootlegging (someone makes
profit through the sales of an unauthorized recording).  If people are
opposed to the trade that I mentioned, I am quite sorry for the offense.
 Whatever...


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From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: PAL/NTSC
Date: 28 Feb 1996 20:30:10 +0100 (MET)

Does any of you who gets the Zorn video have access to a PAL/NTSC converter?

I'm desperately searching for someone who could copy me a Zorn video in PAL.

Jonas V.


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From: [e-mail] (Dan Given)
Subject: re: bootleg
Date: 28 Feb 1996 14:49:49 -0500 (EST)

I think the point to be addressed here is not if people are offended by tape
trading, or commercial bootlegging, but rather hw the artist feels about the
material being passed around.  Does Zorn (or the rest of the band) want this
item in circulation? If no, why not, and if so why hasn't he released it
through one of his companies?  Considering the fact (or rumour, whatever)
that JZ was somehow responsible for for having Cadence stop selling the live
Masada disc, and the fact that he does have complete control over so much of
his catalogue via Avant and Tzadik, I really doubt he approves of any
unauthorized material being circulated.

Just my opinion
Dan


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From: Tom Benton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Graham Connah and stuff....
Date: 28 Feb 1996 15:25:28 -0600 (CST)

  Someone mentioned the Graham Connah Group as a great oppurtonity to hear
Trevor Dunn get down.  Does anybody know any more about him/them?  I know
that they're listed in the 'Bay Area Mob Job' on TJ Kirk's album (as
Graham Connah's Languish and Fester) so I will assume a locale, but
that's all I know.  Could anybosdy out there yield any more information
possibly?
  Also, I was just checking out the KF homepage.  Is it just me, or is
Masada playing NINE nights in a row in April?  looks like it to me.  Now
if I can only get UT to reschedule spring break a month....


--Tom--

by the way, (I swear, this should be my sig file by now) if anybody out
there is into to tape trading and has downtown/KF and/or Bay Area stuff,
drop me a line.  I've more of the same (Charlie Hunter, Masada, others...)
and a few other random things (Primus, Mr Bungle...)


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From: [e-mail] (Stefan Gustafsson)
Subject: Unidentified subject!
Date: 28 Feb 1996 13:30:54 -0800

we can't help ourselves!

naked city doesn't even play
live anymore and looking
at videos is the only way for
us losers who didn't get to see
them play to experience that cool
part of music history.

zegge


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From: Me <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bootlegging?
Date: 27 Feb 1996 20:55:24 -0600 (CST)


On 28 Feb 1996, John Shiurba wrote:

> are we talking about large scale bootlegging without permission here?
> where do these tapes come from?
> this seems a bit on the sleazy side to me.

I actually fail to see this point.  As far as I know, there are no Naked
City videos available.  Not only that, there is no profit involved
anywhere in this, only a exchange of tapes at cost.  The Masada live disc
on JazzDoor is perhaps "a bit on the sleazy side" (although I still
bought it).  This is just a wonderful idea to share something unique with
the many people who never saw Naked City live.  And I can't imagine Mr.
Zorn protesting this at all.

Out 2 lunch with lunchmeat,

Paul
[e-mail]


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From: Me <[e-mail]>
Subject: bootleg Round Deux
Date: 27 Feb 1996 21:10:24 -0600 (CST)


Sorry if this is getting to like beating a dead horse, but...

On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Dan Given wrote:

> I think the point to be addressed here is not if people are offended by tape
> trading, or commercial bootlegging, but rather hw the artist feels about the
> material being passed around.  Does Zorn (or the rest of the band) want this
> item in circulation? If no, why not, and if so why hasn't he released it

I do see your point, but I think that you are forgetting something.  Of
course there is a possibility that Zorn is against all unauthorized
releases of his material.  But as long as no one is making money off of
his work w/ out sharing it with him, why should he care?  Obviously the
performance was videotaped so Zorn approved that.  As for why it was
never released, unless it was because Zorn thought the performances wer
horrible, I would say it's because there just isn't a large enough market
for it.  I mean think about it, a Naked City live video wouldn't exactley
have people lining up outside their nearest Tower Records to get it.  Now
that's too bad, but it's the way things are in the music industry.

> through one of his companies?  Considering the fact (or rumour, whatever)
> that JZ was somehow responsible for for having Cadence stop selling the live
> Masada disc, and the fact that he does have complete control over so much of
> his catalogue via Avant and Tzadik, I really doubt he approves of any
> unauthorized material being circulated.

See, there's a difference.  JazzDoor put out the Masada live disc without
Zorn giving them permission, but not only that, not a single cent in
profit from the sales of that recording went to the band.  But how much
will Zorn lose from out tape tree?  Nothing, because items are being
exchanged at cost.  A copy of the Naked City video will cost you the
price of two blank tapes and postage.  Not $15.99 like the Masada live disc.

Out 2 lunch with lunchmeat,

Paul
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Richie Teh)
Subject: How can I get hold of the Naked City Video
Date: 29 Feb 1996 14:45:23 +1100

Hi,

Can someone tell me more on this Naked City video that everyone's been
arguing about?
How can I get hold of a copy?
I think it's ok for people to exchange live shows etc with no intension of
profitting from it, this is the whole idea of bootlegging, isn't it. Unless
the artist themselves oppose to this idea. I have not seen Zorn live but am
aware that bootlegging Zorn'ss shows are quite a common practice, kinda like
a "if we don't know, it doesn't matter" attitude.

Anyways, the main thing is to enjoy the music, and share them with everyone!!
Take care and God Bless!
Richie Teh ([e-mail]) <><
Software Engineer
Creative Software Technologies
Braeside, Victoria, Australia

*When electric currents go through them, guitars start making sounds.
  So would anybody.





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From: [e-mail] (John Shiurba)
Subject: Re: Bootlegging?
Date: 29 Feb 1996 04:42:15 GMT

>This is just a wonderful idea to share something unique with
>the many people who never saw Naked City live.  And I can't imagine Mr.
>Zorn protesting this at all.

oh, i have a feeling he'd protest plenty, but who knows. why don't you ask
him. a similar issue came up recently on the sun ra mailing list, and it was
decided that this was the best solution. the early sun ra albums are harder
to get than the early zorn stuff, and pretty much the only way any of us will
ever hear some of that stuff is by taping, but the surviving members of his
group still come out against tape trading. of course these guys have been
shafted much more and are much poorer than zorn, so that's bound to
influence their attitude. if you write to the tzadik address and ask him, you
could prove me wrong, and then i'd say sign me up!


shiurba


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From: [e-mail] (John Shiurba)
Subject: Re: bootleg Round Deux
Date: 29 Feb 1996 04:57:16 GMT



>But as long as no one is making money off of
>his work w/ out sharing it with him, why should he care?  Obviously the

most artists like to have control over their work that is distributed
publicly, especially perfectionists like zorn.


>performance was videotaped so Zorn approved that.  As for why it was

he did? or did someone just sneak a camera in?

>never released, unless it was because Zorn thought the performances wer
>horrible, I would say it's because there just isn't a large enough market

even slightly imperfect may be bad enough to convince him to not want it in
circulation. what if he's planning a video retrospective or something and
feels this will take away from the market. there are a thousand
possibilities.

>for it.  I mean think about it, a Naked City live video wouldn't exactley
>have people lining up outside their nearest Tower Records to get it.

that's what they said about ----- (fill in your favorite most unlikely
commercial success).


please just ask him


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From: "S. EAMES" <[e-mail]>
Subject: tape tree UK
Date: 29 Feb 1996 12:20:20 GMT0BST

I would like to nominate myself as a UK 'distributor', as noone else
has done so yet, and i have an NTSC compatible video, as well as
access to another for copying purposes.

Now, who do i contact to get the initial dub?


simon
"talking to myself"


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From: KELLEY KIRKPATRICK <[e-mail]>
Subject: Videotape dubbing
Date: 29 Feb 1996 10:24:18 -0700 (MST)

Does anyone on this list KNOW what Zorn's feeling about this practice is?
Patrice?   If not, I'll be happy to write to him and ask.  An old friend of
mine  has worked with Zorn, so could possibly give me a sense of his
response.  I think this issue is an important one.  It's cropping up more
and more in the visual arts as images are electronically appropriated.

I also have never seen Zorn live so would love to have copies of these
tapes.  If it comes to pass, can I be an honorary Bay Area resident and get
on that tree?  I have a friend in Oakland who could be my liaison--he'd
probably like a tape too.  (Actually he plays with Graham Connah sometimes,
so could probably provide some info for the person asking about him and
Trevor Dunn.)

Thanks,
Kelley


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Videotape dubbing
Date: 29 Feb 1996 13:45:47 -0500

Forget it. Serously. I have absolutely no desire to copy the Naked City tapes
even once. The letters posted to this bulletin board/mailing list do not
offer even a clue as to how many uniquely threatening personal responses my
initial inquiry has brought from members of this bulletin board/mailing list,
which has made me question the sanity of many of the people who post
information through this service. If I said that I received twenty personal e
mail letters filled with threats ("I'll wipe all bootleggers off of the
internet" or something to that effect), severely harsh and uncalled for
language (which I will obviously not repeat here), and various other letters
of a basically evil nature, would you be surprised? I certainly was. I
question the significance of a bulletin board/mailing list such as this when
it seems as if the majority of the subscribers are quite juvenile in terms of
thought processes and communication techniques. Forget that I even have the
video tapes, or that I ever made mention of them.
I've been waiting for some feedback from others who have picked up the
recently reissued "Environment for Sextet" recording featuring Zorn, Cora,
Centazzo, Chabourne, Kondo, and Brafield... hasn't anyone else checked this
one out yet?
As for Connah, he is an incredible piano player with too many projects to
make mention of, and too few available recordings to properly spread the word
about his style. The Graham Connah Group recording that I previously
mentioned, "Snaps Erupt At Pure Spans," is as far as I know the only full
length CD release of his work. Aside from that, the GCG contributed a track
to the "Wavelength Infinity" Sun Ra tribute CD, and Connah added some piano
sounds to the recent Mr. Bungle "Disco Volante" CD. The GCG CD was released
by a label called Sour Note (about which I know nothing, as the CD did not
provide a contact address for a catalogue of other releases or what not), and
can be picked up through Cadence. I know that the GCG has recorded (or is
about to record) another full length effort, but as for when it will appear I
have no clue...


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From: "Allen Huotari" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Dave Douglas discography desired
Date: 29 Feb 1996 11:50:47 PST

     has anyone out there in Zorn-land compiled a discography for Dave
     Douglas?
     or at least know someone who has?
     I don't necessarily need detailed info, a simple list of all known
     recordings would be highly sufficient
     any help would be deeply appreciated

     [e-mail]


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From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dave Douglas discography desired
Date: 29 Feb 1996 15:31:26 -0800


On Thu, 29 Feb 96 11:50:47 PST  [e-mail] wrote:
>
>      has anyone out there in Zorn-land compiled a discography for Dave
>      Douglas?
>      or at least know someone who has?
>      I don't necessarily need detailed info, a simple list of all known
>      recordings would be highly sufficient
>      any help would be deeply appreciated
>

Funny, I am just putting the last touch to one :-).

    Patrice.


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From: [e-mail] (jonathan kaye)
Subject: Re: Videotape dubbing
Date: 29 Feb 1996 21:06:27 -0500


>
>>Does anyone on this list KNOW what Zorn's feeling about this practice is?
>>Patrice?   If not, I'll be happy to write to him and ask.  An old friend of
>>mine  has worked with Zorn, so could possibly give me a sense of his
>>response.  I think this issue is an important one.  It's cropping up more
>>and more in the visual arts as images are electronically appropriated.
>>
>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Kelley
>
no offense to any individual but who really cares what zorn thinks about
trading live recordings of his shows? it wouldn't matter to me whether he
despised the practice, as a fan, if i find live recordings i can trade for,
i don't think twice about the artist's view. i'm not stealing anything from
him (if he were to put out his own live album/video i'd certainly still buy
it). if the performance is bad, so what? i don't think anyone performs at
the top of their game every night and it's my problem if a get a tape of a
bad show. live tapes are a sort of historical archives of the history of
rock and especially jazz, if it weren't for tapers, some of the greatest
performances of all times would have been lost forever.

jon



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From: [e-mail] (Stefan Gustafsson)
Subject: Unidentified subject!
Date: 29 Feb 1996 18:20:05 -0800

ok
so fuck the whole
video dubbing idea.

how about a showing
of the thing for people
who are interested?
i'll make some popcorn.
of course, that leave
everybody outside the
bay are in the dust
but maybe it can go on
tour after that.

zegge


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From: plantarm <[e-mail]>
Subject: bootlegging
Date: 29 Feb 1996 22:41:27 -0500 (EST)

i didn't really want to join in this fray, but here goes:

i am extremely perplexed to read that the person who proposed
copying the tapes for others has been receiving threatening and
offensive mail.  i can't possibly imagine that someone smart
enough to appreciate zorn and his music would be so juvenile
and close-minded.  after all, i don't think we, as a list, take
it as a PHILOSOPHICAL GIVEN that bootlegging is immoral or bad.

the point is: some relatively fruitful discussion of the topic
was transpiring on the list, and some good points were being
made.  threatening a fellow fan with violence or whatever is
NOT fruitful discussion; it is complete naziism.  we are not
banded together in this loose affiliate to impose our moral
beliefs on each other, nor do we even have the right to do so.
insofar as whoever it was has a problem with bootlegging, they
should a. not request a copy for themselves; b. perhaps post
a controlled and reasonable message to all of us, so we can
decide for ourselves how to act; and then c. SHUT UP about it.

if you want to act responsibly, get on the "ask john" mission,
or provide us with some substantive reasons not to bootleg.

thank you
eric