<DIV>Hell yes, me too. I've discovered tons of new music and musicians through the 'Erstwhile axis,' and I wouldn't say that I've even really disliked anything I've purchased on that label. I must say its been frankly dominating my listening fairly heavily over the past 6 months or so. That and a healthy dose of death metal/grindcore and post-war avant-garde classical music.</DIV>
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<DIV>-mm</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>That said, I'm continually grateful that Jon's out there documenting this</DIV>
How do you zorners like this new Massacre Live release "Meltdown"? Blistering, burning, un-ending, impovs that just shake the foundations of your ear-drums, aye?
Does someone have a tentative date for the live Naked City release? I can't sleep...
-Theo
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<P>How do you zorners like this new Massacre Live release "Meltdown"? Blistering, burning, un-ending, impovs that just shake the foundations of your ear-drums, aye? </P>
<P>Does someone have a tentative date for the live Naked City release? I can't sleep... </P>
<P>-Theo</P><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br>
1. The earliest version of Human Feel did have a bass player, John Silverman, but later versions did not.
2. Black wrote tunes on all Human Feel discs except for the third, 'Welcome to Malpesta.'
3. I thought Black's writing for the first alasnoaxis disc showed huge promise, and will only continue to improve as he realizes that he doesn't have to completely fill every minute with new ideas and events. But he's really into density - to wit, he has a real passion for Lutoslawski.
4. Sorry to say I have no insight as to when Black's new W&W disc will be out. But I do know that he had a new, laptop-based project at Tonic last Friday. The same night, he and Skuli appeared on David Letterman, backing Laurie Anderson - don't know if this was new (as in, taped that afternoon) or a rerun.
5. Personally I think Chris Speed's writing has improved on each subsequent yeah, no release. Wasn't the drummer on 'Iffy' actually Ben Perowsky? (I don't have it handy here at the office.) Cuong Vu's writing is more of a mystery - his first disc was full of sharp tunes, but I don't really think of the pieces on his second and third discs (with Stomu and Hollenbeck) as being "written" in quite the same way - feels more like collective improv on a germinal idea.
6. Anyone hear any of Tim Berne's sets last week at the Knit? I missed every damn one of them. He played for four nights - early set was Big Satan plus Taborn, late set that quartet plus Herb Robertson and Scott Colley. First new ensemble music in a while, and I go and miss it.
7. I noticed a few minutes ago on the Screwgun website that the long awaited 2CD Berne big band set, 'Open Coma,' is now available: http://www.screwgunrecords.com/coma.htm
8. Almost entirely unrelated (except in that it's another drummer who most certainly CAN write), Bobby Previte's got a new jazz-oriented release coming in January on the Palmetto label, with Marty Ehrlich, Ray Anderson, Wayne Horvitz, Steve Swallow and guest Joe Bowie. Very fine pieces, and the kind of wonderful blowing we've come to expect from these guys.
> Wasn't the Open Coma supposed to be released on CRI?
The Open Coma project that I had pushed CRI to release was the original octet version (bloodcount plus Marc Ducret, Baikida Carroll, Erik Friedlander and Dominique Pifarely - sp?). However, delays in fundraising and a change in management meant that the label was effectively moving too slowly for Tim to maintain faith in them. The version that Tim has self-released is with a larger group, the Cologne Arts Ensemble or something to that effect.
It's still entirely possible that the octet, or some other project, will eventually appear on CRI - the advisory board has already approved funding. The difficulty is that jazz musicians are generally used to things moving at a faster pace than most classical companies move (especially non-profit labels). If you look at the recording date on a given classical disc, it often takes a few years for recordings to be issued. Interestingly, the jazz column in this week's issue of Billboard talks to the head of CRI about just this need for faster turnaround in jazz.
I need help sorting out a live Coltrane set I bought recently. The item in question is a double CD called John Coltrane - The Complete Graz Concert, British Charly CPCD 8262-2. There is no recording date listed on the packaging (and I haven't opened it yet). According to some information posted in a review at the Border's/Amazon website, this recording was made November 28 1962. <BR>
<BR>
Now here's the problem: I also have the recently released John Coltrane - Live Trane - The European Tours, Pablo 7PACD 4433-2, which is supposedly the complete (?) 1961 - 1963 live European material. However, nothing in this set is listed from the above 11/28/62 date - so....is the new box not so complete, or is the Charly set date information wrong? Anyone?<BR>
Subject: Re: A complicated Coltrane quartet concert question!
Date: 13 Dec 2001 13:44:19 -0500
Dale:
The date on your Graz recording is absolutely correct. The box set on Pablo is not comprehensive - it's a compilation by Eric Miller of highlights from the radio recordings made during Trane's 1961-63 tours. There's still a lot more material available than what was included in the fairly comprehensive box, and your two purchases should be more complementary than redundant.
Just to reveal the secret behind my spontaneously coughing up that factoid, please pay a visit to http://home.att.net/~dawild/, the home page of historian and discographer David Wild, possibly the world's leading expert on Coltrane's (and Ornette's) recorded output, official and otherwise. Everything is there, arranged ever so scrupulously by date (though I can't get the "news" section to work). Great fun.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
(obviously with a bit more time than usual on his hands in the office today...)
<DIV><FONT size=2>He also sings on 'Andy' as well. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I believe I recall seeing a brief video clip of the 'soiree' from the end of FZ's life that was attended by the Tuvan throat singers, Terry Bozzio, some Irish group (Chieftains members?) and JGW, I think with guitar in hand. Not positive though. I think it was the BBC special done on him.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>BTW, anybody into Roberto Gerhard, the Spanish/British composer?</FONT></DIV>
<BR>I never saw Last Exit live and I'm sure this could
<BR>make a difference, so I can imagine why someone might
<BR>be scratching their head about why Laswell would
<BR>produce Iron Path the way he did, but I think it's one
<BR>of the best. Didn't Lester Bangs or somebody call it
<BR>one of the greatest heavy metal records ever? :~) </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>that comment rings a bell for me as well. i seem to recall brotzmann having referred to iron path as a piece of shit, or something in similar terms, though.
> >In a blurb on Angels of Light in this week's Chicago Reader it says that
> >"Gira was notoriously dissatisfied with the band's Bill Laswell-produced
> >major label debut, The Burning World, in '89." Is there a longer story
> >behind this? Anyone have more information?
>
i think you'll find a few of laswell's 'producer for hire' albums have left
bad tastes in the bands mouths. white zombie comes to mind, as well as mick
jagger if i recall correctly.
dave
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">>In a blurb on Angels of Light in this week's Chicago Reader it says that
<BR>>"Gira was notoriously dissatisfied with the band's Bill Laswell-produced
<BR>>major label debut, The Burning World, in '89." Is there a longer story
<BR>>behind this? Anyone have more information?
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<BR>i think you'll find a few of laswell's 'producer for hire' albums have left bad tastes in the bands mouths. white zombie comes to mind, as well as mick jagger if i recall correctly.
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">i'm new to the list. i think it's really amusing and hip that everyone on this list uses big words and talks about postmodernism a lot. but i'm not really sure that elitists can also be mannerful. elitists can usually be somewhat openminded, although they usually, after careful intellectual appraisal of the situation, decide that they're right. <BR>
Postmodern = wears record collection & too much TV watching on sleeve<BR>
elite= guys who play music hardly anyone wants to hear for a lot of guys who can't get dates. The Simpson's Comicbookstoreman is the poster child for this sort of thing.<BR>
intellectualism= trotting out a bunch of stuff fr books and lectures to justify the above-defined behavior.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">heh... after 5 years in music conservatory as a composition and music technology major, it seems a little superfluous to give me a terms list, but thanks for the thought. :)<BR>
<BR>
as for being proud to call myself "one of them" - it was in reference to elitism. and it was a snide, self-affacing joke. <BR>
In a message dated 12/19/01 12:19:47 PM Central Standard Time,
jdahmus@juilliard.edu writes:
> Zorn's outlook on elitism is a sensitive issue. He does not discriminate
> between high/low art and conservatory-trained/self-taught. Nor should
> we, in my opinion.
this is a great point. i've heard tons of stories about zorn's formal
training, since i go to school where he went for those first whiles of
college and study with his teacher. bob chamberlin, said composition
teacher, would no less agree on all points. i think composing is largely a
self-taught subject anyways, with little more than "counselling" happening
from the composition teacher. and a lot of the self-taught composers i know
and know of are way more interesting than people who can analyse milton
babbitt out of a paper bag a la alan forte.
kate
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 12/19/01 12:19:47 PM Central Standard Time, jdahmus@juilliard.edu writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Zorn's outlook on elitism is a sensitive issue. He does not discriminate<BR>
between high/low art and conservatory-trained/self-taught. Nor should<BR>
we, in my opinion. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
this is a great point. i've heard tons of stories about zorn's formal training, since i go to school where he went for those first whiles of college and study with his teacher. bob chamberlin, said composition teacher, would no less agree on all points. i think composing is largely a self-taught subject anyways, with little more than "counselling" happening from the composition teacher. and a lot of the self-taught composers i know and know of are way more interesting than people who can analyse milton babbitt out of a paper bag a la alan forte.<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I didn't buy much CDs released this year but here they are:<BR>
<BR>
In no particular order:<BR>
<BR>
JAMES - pleased to meet you<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0">Was it just me, or was this this about the dullest thing you've ever heard? I honestly wasn't expecting a lot out of it though, after how completely wonderful I thought Millionaires was - not that most Americans ever heard it, much less knew it existed. <BR>
In a message dated 12/19/01 4:23:34 PM Central Standard Time,
keithmar@msn.com writes:
> Why should we then discriminate between high opinions ("Don't
> discriminate between high/low art.") and low opinions ("Some forms
> of art are better than others.")? Or do these rules about not
> discriminating only apply to the value of art and not to the value
> of opinions about art?
wow, what an intensely postmodern attitude. it's good to not have opinions
about anything.
kate.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 12/19/01 4:23:34 PM Central Standard Time, keithmar@msn.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Why should we then discriminate between high opinions ("Don't<BR>
discriminate between high/low art.") and low opinions ("Some forms<BR>
of art are better than others.")? Or do these rules about not<BR>
discriminating only apply to the value of art and not to the value<BR>
of opinions about art?</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">wow, what an intensely postmodern attitude. it's good to not have opinions about anything.<BR>
I haven't got much this year, school's been heaps busy and all that. Most of what I did get revolves around Mr.Bungle and it's members. No particular order :)
"The Director's Cut" - Fantomas (plus Fantomas live @ Governor Hindmarsh Aug23rd)
"Book M" - Secret Chiefs 3
"drukqs" - Aphex Twin
"Tomahawk" - Tomahawk (this one grew on me)
"Jazz In Paris: Django's Blues" - Django Reinhardt
"Music To Make Love To Your Old Lady By" - Lovage
"La Serpenta Canta" - Diamanda Galas (live back in January)
"Ambient Vol 2.5 Push Her [trip]" - r.domain
"The Good Time Buddies EP" - Paul Of Blood
Wow, not even ten.
Later,
Cameron.
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In a message dated Wed, 19 Dec 2001 6:55:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Bob Kowalski" <BKowalski@genetics.com> writes:
> Opinions on the soundtrack for Mullholland Drive anyone? Haven't seen film yet..
>
> Best of 2001:
>
> Alison Krauss & Union Station: New Favorite (suspect this is considered pop-territory fluff by long time die hard fans, but ahh, that voice those tunes...)
>
Krauss could sing "Pop Goes The Weasel" and make it sound divine. I've never heard a more *pleasing* voice than hers in my life.
In a message dated 12/20/01 3:43:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
npc_4@yahoo.co.uk writes:
> Pointless James trivia (speaking as someone who has
> always loathed them and was consequently very
> embarrassed to develop a rather irrational crush on
> their 'Fred Astaire' song three years ago):
I'd read about Booth leaving on the band's website. And don't be emabarrassed
about "Just Like Fred Astaire" - that song pushes every emotional button I
have every time I hear it. Its just beautiful.
Dale.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0">In a message dated 12/20/01 3:43:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, npc_4@yahoo.co.uk writes:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Pointless James trivia (speaking as someone who has<BR>
always loathed them and was consequently very<BR>
embarrassed to develop a rather irrational crush on<BR>
their 'Fred Astaire' song three years ago): </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><BR>
I'd read about Booth leaving on the band's website. And don't be emabarrassed about "Just Like Fred Astaire" - that song pushes every emotional button I have every time I hear it. Its just beautiful.<BR>
I was going to post my list but I thought that I remembered that someone on this list was complaining about these things getting out of hand and becoming
clutter. Definitely not me- I love them. At the very least, it's always interesting to see what people chose and it's also instructive to look at these and
think 'I didn't even know that some of those things came out!'
FYI, Other Music in NY has posted their top 10 lists for staff and contributors (mine is there too under G)- http://www.othermusic.com/2001top10.html
I was happy that I actually found at least100 good releases for this year and about as many good reissues. Again, because of space reasons here, I'll hold back
on posting but I'll have all of it up in our next issue at month's end. If anyone's really interested, I could post a list of items that would probably be of
interest to zorn-list folk.
Since Lynch is in the subect head, Mulholland Drive was one of the best films I've seen this year.
>(in Tarantino's case, the success of Pulp Fiction seems to have >essentially ended his career, at least thus far, not
The worst part of it is that junk scripts like From Dusk to Dawn got produced. But in many ways Jackie Brown is a better film than Pulp Fiction, more mature and less flashy; certainly the weakest parts of Jackie Brown are the most "Tarrantino-ish." And the success of Pulp Fiction did let Miramax give QT his own boutique company that did released some worthy films (the first Wong Kar-Wai to come out in the US, Kitano's Sonatine) and some way-less-than-worthy (Jack Hill, Hardcore Logo).
> Drukqs is the first Aphex record that really ties
> together all the sides of his career, the ambient, the techno, the
> drill 'n bass, etc.
there may be a reason for that. i have a friend (a huge Aphex fan) who's convinced that that majority of the new album is old material. Aphex is purpoted to have recorded tons of (unreleased) material, so it's certainly possible.
i would also postulise that the majority of the new album is old material, with the plausible exception of the prepared piano pieces... which i think make the album listenable. :)
Actually I quite prefer everything else BUT the prepared piano pieces.
On Thu, Dec 20, 2001 at 04:41:39PM -0500, UFOrbK8@aol.com wrote:
> i would also postulise that the majority of the new album is old material, with the plausible exception of the prepared piano pieces... which i think make the album listenable. :)
I am trying to find a mailorder service here in states that carries the odd child-like (mostly french) bands. I own most of Klimperei's discs, Pascal Camelade, & Pierre Bastien. But really looking for dragibus. Wayside carries the "In Poly Sons" label. Any other
Subject: Re: A complicated Coltrane quartet concert question!
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Happy Holidays to all, and a big "thank you" to everyone (especially Steve
Smith) that responded with help and insight into my Coltrane Quartet
question.
Dale.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0">Happy Holidays to all, and a big "thank you" to everyone (especially Steve Smith) that responded with help and insight into my Coltrane Quartet question. <BR>
>up until a few years ago, Guitar Player was a great magazine that >really seemed to make it a point to cover avant-garde and >experimental guitar music. Their 30th anniversary
Wasn't Henry Kaiser a contributing (or advisory) editor?
<html><div style='background-color:'><P dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT face="Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">A great performance for sure, but I saw them the year before in Moers and the first time is mostly the best...</FONT></P>
<P>Andreas</P>
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<P>may i ask what you found lacking in The Ex's performance at Saalfelden? :)<BR>seriously, i would top-ten that one, too.<BR>my hair stood on end for the whole duration : phenomenal : the big-band <BR>version of "State of Shock" alone was worth the entire price of the <BR>festival ticket, imo.<BR><BR><BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE></div><br clear=all><hr>Mit MSN Fotos k÷nnen Sie problemlos Ihre Fotos ausdrucken und anderen Benutzern zur Verfⁿgung stellen: <a href='http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag3_etl_DE.asp'>Klicken Sie hier</a><br></html>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I tend to at least like everything they've done. My favorites are 'Barton Fink' and 'Big Lebowski,' though, just utter classics, I think. O Brother might be along my least favorites of theirs, though I still like it.</FONT></DIV>
