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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #900
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, May 7 2002 Volume 03 : Number 900
In this issue:
-
Re: Waits on Letterman
Re: AW: satanism
RE: AW: satanism
Re: AW: satanism
Satanism and the Creative Left
Blues for Falasha
Fwd: Blues for Falasha
Re: wait til tuesday
Alice
Harry Partch documentary
Arto lindsay interview
Re: Arto lindsay interview
Copenhagen Art Ensemble plays the music of Tim Berne broadcast on Friday
Fwd: Re: Arto lindsay interview
Re: Wuorinen
RE: new Lovely Music record
Don Cherry; Actions
Re: Blues for Falasha
re:pop music +KLF
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Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 18:53:08 -0700
From: florid oratory <connah@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Waits on Letterman
supposedly wednesday of this week: may 8th
some bay area musicians, among others:
ara anderson--trumpet? or drums?
colin stetson--confident reeds
matt sperry--bass
- --GC
"Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> asked:
> I understand that Tom will be performing on the David Letterman show next
> week. Anybody know who he might be using as backup. it's always fun to see
> who pops up on these shows from time to time. I saw Cyro Baptista the other
> day. He was tearing it up, in some other ways ultra lame pop song.
- -
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Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 22:59:04 +0100
From: Matthew Moffett <fkmoffet@erols.com>
Subject: Re: AW: satanism
First off, Crowley is not to be taken seriously. He was a poet with a
sense of the bizarre, and loved to shock the uptight literati of
England. Those who take him too seriously only serve to display their
own ignorance (ie Jimmy Page). If born a generation later, Crowley
probably would have been a minor surrealist.
Second, under what premise do you associate Crowley with the Satanic
Church? Any association is tangential at best. It would be like
calling Duke Ellington free jazz.
Third, most music billed as "satanic" has more to do with Tolkien and
Dungeons and Dragons than anything with LeVey or his religion. If a
satanic form of music really existed, it would more likely be poppy to
bring more people into the fold. It might be an interesting dichotomy
to explore as a musician, though.
Now back to Zorn. Does anyone know of a stated purpose behind this
project, or what it sounds like? If nothing else, I'm sure he'd be
amused on some level by this debate. Shrouding his music behind lines
of transgression is often his method, and I'm sure it's in part just to
shake things up a bit.
Thorsten Kr=E4mer wrote:
> =
> Hello Arthur,
> =
> thanks for your advice.
> =
> >Read the sources, not the tabloids.
>
- -
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Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:11:46 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: AW: satanism
Given that I thought much of 'IAO' sounded rather like film music, it
wouldn't surprise me a bit if the true influence was less Crowley, more
filmmaker Kenneth Anger (listed on the disc's obi strip as a Crowley
"disciple").
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - 'The American President' on TBS (I'm such a sucker for this sappy
film...)
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Matthew Moffett
Now back to Zorn. Does anyone know of a stated purpose behind this
project, or what it sounds like?
- -
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Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:40:42 -0700
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: AW: satanism
Monday, May 6, 2002, 8:16:50 AM, Thorsten wrote:
TK> So I guess this is only to be taken on a metaphorical level?
Sorta like that cannibalism stuff that happens down to the Catholic
outlet every Sunday morning, right? Whole buncha flesh-eaters &
blood-drinkers down there, if you believe the script.
- --
Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com
- -
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 08:26:31 +0200
From: francko.lamerikx@philips.com
Subject: Satanism and the Creative Left
On the subject of Zorn's supposedly unexpected endorsement of Aleister Crowley and Kenneth Anger,
I can only say that, to me, this was rather expected instead of unexpected. If you are interested in the
things that Zorn is interested in, which is the entire strain from the dark proto-surrealist romance of Comte
de Lautreamont to the cathartic expressionism of Antonin Artaud to the demented porn of the Japanese
pinku filmu, then it is only to be expected that, sooner of later, an interest in Crowley and Anger would rear
its head.
I should note that the ideas of Crowley have a lot of support in what I consider essentially the "creative
left". If you look at www.disinfo.com for example, which is an anti-establishment site with strong left-wing
connotations, there is a lot of information on Crowley and related subjects. Also, people like comic book
writers Grant Morrison and Alan Moore, as well as Robert Anton Wilson, all of whom I regard highly, strongly
endorse the ideas of Aleister Crowley.
If you have ever seen the movies of Kenneth Anger, then you'll know that he is a brilliant movie-maker, and
that his movies should appeal to anyone with a taste for the avant-garde, regardless of whether they endorse
satanic ideas or not. It is not for nothing that Anger's name pops up in the same books that treat the works
of Maya Deren, Jonas Mekas, and Harry Smith. And if you had a chance to look through Harry Smith's personal
library, I am sure you would find every single book that Crowley ever wrote.
This is not to say that I endorse satanic views, I would only like to point out that these ideas don't come out
of the blue if you consider the subjects Zorn has displayed an interest in over the years.
And I don't believe that Zorn turns satanism into campy fun - that would essentially be a reduction of his art
to lowly postmodernism, and I don' think that is what Zorn is about (even though it is hard to assess this,
because I find it hard to believe any person can deal with the amount of information that Zorn deals with
and be able to comprehend it all).
Frankco
- -
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 03:20:27 -0400
From: "patbor" <patbor@buzzle.com>
Subject: Blues for Falasha
Radical Jewish Culture series
Glenn Spearman: blues for Falasha
Is this record in the London-Wall-Yakar style?
Anyone recommends it?
Thanks
PatB
- -
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:57:58 +0200 (CEST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Fwd: Blues for Falasha
Hi,
The album is wonderful but it's free jazz, with
absolutely nothing to do with Jewish music. Not at
hand right now, but Larry Ochs and William Winant are
also on the album. The sound is pure Spearman but
pretty slow-paced, which makes it more intense and
original, IMHO.
Best,
EfrΘn del Valle
>
>
> Radical Jewish Culture series
> Glenn Spearman: blues for Falasha
>
> Is this record in the London-Wall-Yakar style?
>
> Anyone recommends it?
>
> Thanks
> PatB
>
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>
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Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 19:19:09 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Re: wait til tuesday
Hi,
I've also been listening nonstop to "Blood Money" since yesterday and it's
really good. Certainly, the surprise factor is almost nonexistant, just pure
Waits at his best. It seems like sort of a compilation of all his career,
with those weird polkas, tarantellas, some latin rhythms, dull ballads,
cabaret tunes... As someone said before, it sounds a bit like "Bone Machine"
at some moments, but also it makes me think of "Rain Dogs" ("Misery is the
River of the World"), "The Black Raider" ("Starving in the Belly of a
Whale") and "Frank's Wild Years" ("Coney Island Baby"), etc.
To summarize, it's a very good album, much better than "Mule Variations"
Imho, since it deals with Waits' darker musical side (the lyrics are
depressing!) and really manages to create a weird mood, his strange cabaret
concept.
Best,
EfrΘn del Valle
n.p: "blood money"
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Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:27:41 +0100
From: Brian Hickey <brianh@emagine-media.com>
Subject: Alice
I also picked up "Alice" at the weekend. It's a beautiful piece of work.
Waits' lyrics are outstanding. There are some great pictures of Wait's in
the artwork . . .
Highly recomended!
> From: Efr=E9n del Valle <efrendv@yahoo.es>
> Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 19:19:09 +0200
> To: "Zorn-list" <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
> Cc: "jason tors" <jasontors@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: wait til tuesday
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I've also been listening nonstop to "Blood Money" since yesterday and it'=
s
> really good. Certainly, the surprise factor is almost nonexistant, just p=
ure
> Waits at his best. It seems like sort of a compilation of all his career=
,
> with those weird polkas, tarantellas, some latin rhythms, dull ballads,
> cabaret tunes... As someone said before, it sounds a bit like "Bone Machi=
ne"
> at some moments, but also it makes me think of "Rain Dogs" ("Misery is th=
e
> River of the World"), "The Black Raider" ("Starving in the Belly of a
> Whale") and "Frank's Wild Years" ("Coney Island Baby"), etc.
> To summarize, it's a very good album, much better than "Mule Variations"
> Imho, since it deals with Waits' darker musical side (the lyrics are
> depressing!) and really manages to create a weird mood, his strange cabar=
et
> concept.
>=20
> Best,
>=20
> Efr=E9n del Valle
> n.p: "blood money"
>=20
>=20
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Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 10:05:08 +0000
From: "David Evans" <davidcerievans@hotmail.com>
Subject: Harry Partch documentary
Hi all,
If anyone can get BBC4 on their TVs then there is a Harry Partch documentary
on tonight at 9pm (repeated 12.30am) BST.
Happy viewing and comments please if you get to see it.
Dave
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Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 10:10:38 +0000
From: "Ricardo Jorge" <ricardoviseu@hotmail.com>
Subject: Arto lindsay interview
Hi! I'm making a Arto Lindsay interview for a radio show, any interesting
sugestions for questions?
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Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 10:52:27 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Arto lindsay interview
Hi.
>Hi! I'm making a Arto Lindsay interview for a radio show, any interesting
>sugestions for questions?
What happened to the solo guitar album he talked about a few years ago? Not
to mention the follow up to "Aggregates". Does he think it is morally
irrisponsibe to first make a piece of music about Kristallnacht, and then a
few years later another one about Crowley? (hehe)
Might be more. Have to think about it....
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Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 07:00:21 -0400
From: Alan Lankin <lankina@att.net>
Subject: Copenhagen Art Ensemble plays the music of Tim Berne broadcast on Friday
Friday, May 10
Copenhagen Art Ensemble
under the leadership of Ture Larsen
playing the music of
Tim Berne
with guests
Herb Robertson (trumpet) and Marc Ducret guitar
Personnel: Tim Berne (alto sax), Lotte Anker (soprano/tenor sax), Thomas
Agergaard (tenor sax, flute), Peter Fuglsang (clarinet, bass clarinet),
Herb Robertson (trumpet), Lars Vissing (trumpet), KasperTranberg
(cornet), Mads Hyhne (trombone), Klaus L÷hrer (bass trombone, tuba),
Thomas Clausen (piano, Fender Rhodes), Marc Ducret (guitar), Nils
Davisen (bass), Anders Mogensen (drums), Ture Larsen (director)
Recorded at Radiohuset, Malm÷ / Copenhagen Jazz House 2000.
120 Minuter on Swedish Radio P2
3-5 p.m. US Eastern time; 19.00 - 21.00 UTC
http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/spelare/spelare.asp?typ=live&namn=P2-Musik
http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz/webcasts.html
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:03:07 +0200 (CEST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Arto lindsay interview
Hi,
Maybe a bit self-concious question, but he's
performing at this year's Sonar Festival in Barcelona.
I think it's a duo performance but considerig that the
Festival is mainly focused on electronic music I'd
love to know what I must expect from that project.
More bossa?
Best,
EfrΘn del Valle
n.p: Still trapped with "Blood Money". There must be
something there...
>
> Hi.
>
> >Hi! I'm making a Arto Lindsay interview for a radio
> show, any interesting
> >sugestions for questions?
>
> What happened to the solo guitar album he talked
> about a few years ago? Not
> to mention the follow up to "Aggregates". Does he
> think it is morally
> irrisponsibe to first make a piece of music about
> Kristallnacht, and then a
> few years later another one about Crowley? (hehe)
>
> Might be more. Have to think about it....
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 06:56:29 -0500
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Wuorinen
As is often the case, I'm catching up on Zorn digests. Thanks for
posting your column on Wuorinen, Steve.
Self-servingly, I think it reinforces some of the comments made in
earlier discussions of Wuorinen, especially Zorn's specific attempt
to position Wuorinen for some idealized Tzadik listener. Given the
limited amount of comments on the more composerly releases in the
composer series that show up on this list, I'm not sure this is
entirely warranted, at least for the specific Tzadik listeners he
proposes to be focusing on, but hey.
It's also worth noting Wuorinen's clearly stated sense of the social
overriding stylistic doctrine. It's usually been my sense that
composers that get along as people tend to find something to like
about each other's music, which is why I'd earlier assumed that
Wuorinen wouldn't have problems being on the same concert with Zorn.
It's good to have a new pressing of Time's Encomium in any case,
which sounds much crisper and generally more metallic than I recall
from the original vinyl. I'm also digging the distinctions made
between levels and qualities of reverberation in the piece. I don't
think of such attention to signal processing in the context of the
Columbia-Princeton studio and now want to hear more from that period
to hear what else I may have let slide back in the day.
Bests,
Herb
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 07:06:59 -0500
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: new Lovely Music record
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
> Any recommendation about that one?
>
>-
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>*** - CHRIS MANN AND THE USE
>
> 1/ Or, Yellow (Chris Mann) 23:00
> 2/ Virtuoso Thinking For Several Invited Words
> (Chris Mann) 20:09
> 3/ Humility -- On Eating Your Words (Chris Mann) 22:11
>
> Chris Mann; Christine Bard (1); Anthony Coleman (1); Christian Marclay (1);
> Mark Stewart (1); David Watson (1); Jim Pugliese (3).
>
> 2002 - Lovely Music (USA), LCD 3091 (CD)
>
>-
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Just saw it listed on Forced Exposure and was quite curious.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Patrice.
>
I haven't heard, or received, it yet, but I've liked much of the work
I've heard (&/or read) by Chris Mann.
But in general, I think of him as a writer I'm interested in who's
manner of performing/presenting his work is greatly informed by an
awareness of vocalists like Shelley Hirsch, Phil Minton, David Moss,
etc. and I've most often responded best to his solo works, rather
than collaborations with (other) musicians.
From some of your other comments over the years, I'd be surprised if
your were as excited by the content of the texts, Patrice, but I
think you may be quite interested in Mann's sonic approach.
Bests,
Herb
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Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 13:56:31 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Don Cherry; Actions
Hello,
I as wondering if anybody has heard the recently released remastered version
of Don Cherry's masterpiece "Actions"?
It's been one of my favorite records for a long time, but I always found the
female vocals were mixed MUCH to high. I\m hoping maybe there is a better
ballance on the new release.
Anybody know?
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:07:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Blues for Falasha
Pat:
Not sure what you mean by the L-W-Y style. It's not
overwhelmingly Klezmer or particularly "Jewish",
whatever that means. Instead it, Glenn's last
recording, is an extension of the over the top energy
music a la Ascension he and the other members of his
double trio created on the earlier Black Saint discs.
Of course it's worth getting. Nearly everything GS
played and recorded is worth hearing -- and there's
far too little of it.
Ken Waxman
- --- patbor <patbor@buzzle.com> wrote:
>
> Radical Jewish Culture series
> Glenn Spearman: blues for Falasha
>
> Is this record in the London-Wall-Yakar style?
>
> Anyone recommends it?
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 07:35:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: aaron chua <aaronchua22@yahoo.com>
Subject: re:pop music +KLF
talking abt the Stereotypical Pop Song brings to mind
the KLF and also the book they wrote: The Manual which
is supposedly a step by step guide to penning a chart
topper.
now i don't know much abt them other than the wire
article i'm refering to now (mar97). anyone have
this?( the manual i mean...)
also i remember sometime ago seeing copies of a KLF
al;bum reiisued w/ a bonus disc. i was under the
impression all their back catalogue was to be deleted.
anyone know the story behind this?
aaron
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