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Zorn List Digest        Monday, April 15 2002        Volume 03 : Number 883



In this issue:
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       mike patton rumor
       Non-JZ Sale (Oval, Aube, Sian) - email offlist
       re: Benefit to End the Israeli West Bank Occupation at Knitting Factory
       Re: fado recs
       Re: comments on Yuka Honda: Memories Are My Only Witness
       Re: mike patton rumor
       Subject: Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell
       Fado
       cat'n'mouse
       Zorn project?
       melvins/fantomas.
       Another Zorn classical performance in NYC 6/1/02
       Re: Fado
       re: Benefit to End the Israeli West Bank Occupation at Knitting Factory
       Re: Zorn project?
       Re: Subject: Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell
       Re: Subject: Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell
       Fado / portuguese music/instrumental fado virtuosos( Charlie Haden
       Re: Zorn project?

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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:37:19 +0100
From: "Alan Marshall" <[e-mail]>
Subject: mike patton rumor

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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:59:22 EDT
> From: [e-mail]
> Subject: mike patton rumor
>
> There is a rumor going around that Mike Patton urinated on a bouncer
during a
> Tomahawk show.  Does anyone know the real story?

Yes and no!

I was there! (full review at web page :) www.geocities.com/admars32)

From where I was standing (ground floor towards the back) during the last
song, my mates and i witnessed Mike Patton pull out his penis and start
pissing on the security/front row.

There are now rumours that it was a fake penis bought at one of the sex
shops in Soho (the Astoria in London where the gig took place in is Soho).

I've seen Mike Patton piss on stage twice before at FNM gigs, but both of
those times he sort of turned his back to the audience, and carried on
singing, almost as if he realised mid set he needed to go, but didn't want
to disturb the gig ;) Neither of those times he aimed at anyone! :)

So in short, I thought I saw him pissing, but it may/may not have been a sex
toy which squirts a liquid of the user's choice ;)

see

http://www.kerrang.com/news/displaynews.cfm?ObjectUUID=3743C0D0-4945-4F3D-9C
3AD28823EE5D6E

and

http://www.dotmusic.com/news//March2002/news24313.asp

If anyone cares the gig was excellent :)

Cheers

Al

Alan Marshall

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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:47:56 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Non-JZ Sale (Oval, Aube, Sian) - email offlist

Selling the following (+ more) - all brand new, in great shape:

Aube/RLW - "Organized" 10"
Aube/SRS - "Video Field Recordings" LP
Oval - "94 Diskont" 2LP
Sian - "Still/Act" 7"

Please email me offlist <[e-mail]> for more info.

Thanks


- -Patrick
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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:52:57 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: re: Benefit to End the Israeli West Bank Occupation at Knitting Factory

>>>>Hello.

>>>Is anybody going to this? Pretty interesting lineup, wonder what it will
be
>like...

>>Knitting Factory: Sunday, April 21, 2002;
>>Benefit to End the Israeli West Bank Occupation

Im probably going to go.

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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:50:28 +0200
From: "Verstraeten Stefan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: fado recs

Hello Brian,

a good introduction for fado music would be albums by the bands:
- -Alos dos numerados (not really traditional fado but influenced; they have
two albums published on an international level)
- -Madredeus (this band is amazing. I have seen them a couple of times live in
Belgium and in Portugal and they still impress me very much. Traditionalists
would kill them, but frankly i do not care about that. They have the talent
to translate these melancholic texts and music into an audience of a totaly
different culture)

But let's be real: Just go to Portugal and (apart for the fucking
tourist-only fado bars) enter any local fado cafe. Everytime my wife and I
were invited to stay for dinner and were introduced to this beautiful music.

Anyway Brian, if you want a home-made compilation of fado music, just let me
know

Best wishes from the old continent
Stefan Verstraeten

Np Derek Bailey: Chats


> From: "Brian Olewnick" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Fado Recs
>
> I was asked what I would recommend re: fado music and, since I have
> absolutely no idea about it, I figured I'd ask here. Any fado favorites
out
> there?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Brian Olewnick
>
> NP: Dick Raaijmakers - The Complete Tape Music of....
>
>
> - -
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:38:31 +0000
> From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: mike patton rumor
>
> I read elsewhere that it was just a dildo.
>
> However, Patton has been up to this kind of tricks before. And still is.
> When Tomahawk played in Norway recently, he had an audience member puke in
> his mouth. Don't ask me why.
>
> >From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
> >Reply-To: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
> >To: <[e-mail]>
> >Subject: Re: mike patton rumor
> >Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:43:43 -0700
> >
> >Patton Gives More Than Grief Posted Tuesday, March 12, 2002 by
> >ARTMAN
> >
> >from
> >www.thepitfiend.com/cgi-bin/newspro/viewnews.cgi?newsall
> >
> >Mike D. Pattom of Tomahawk, Fantomas, and the former Faith No More
> >finished off his recent show with Tomahawk in London by urinating
> >on the security guards in front of the stage. Rumor was that he
> >ran into a lot of trouble with the guards earlier in the night.
> >Expect lawsuits very soon.
> >_________________________________________________________
> >
> >Translated from:
> >http://www.laut.de/vorlaut/news/2002/03/12/02610/
> >
> >London ( ebi ) - with the last Song of the evening in the Londoner
> >Astoria Tomahawk Frontmann Mike Patton asked the surprised
> >Journaille again into the photo ditch. But instead of exclusive
> >photos gabs for the press on past Sunday a warm shower. Because
> >the former Faith NO More singer unpacked its best piece on the
> >stage short hand and pisste several photographers and Security
> >Guards on the head, reports the Metal hammer
> >
> >Also:
> >www.metalhammer.co.uk/article.asp?ID=5582&type=NWS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-
> >
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:55:38 -0500
> From: "William Crump" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: mike patton rumor
>
> >From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
>
>
> > I read elsewhere that it was just a dildo.
> >
> At that point on stage, a Steely Dan cover would have been oh so clever.
>
> Wm.Crump
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:18:36 +0000
> From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Benefit to End the Israeli West Bank Occupation at Knitting
Factory
>
> Hello.
>
> Is anybody going to this? Pretty interesting lineup, wonder what it will
be
> like...
>
> Knitting Factory: Sunday, April 21, 2002;
> Benefit to End the Israeli West Bank Occupation
>
> Raz Mesinai,  Frank London,  David Soldier,  Ammiel Alcalay,  Jennifer
> Charles,  Kathy Engel,  and many more,  Elliott Sharp,  Marty Ehrlich,
Roy
> Nathanson,  Anthony Coleman,  Lynne Tillman,  Zafer Tawil,  Barbara Barg,
> Marc Ribot,  DJ Mutamassik ...
>
> An ad hoc group of New York City musicians and artists are organizing an
> event to generate money to be donated to three organizations: Gush Shalom,
> Al Mezan, and Tayoush that are all performing vital activites in support
of
> ending the Israeli occupation of the West Bank.
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:52:53 -0500
From: "Andrew" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: comments on Yuka Honda: Memories Are My Only Witness

There are a few little moments of brilliance ("Night Diving", especially),
but for the most part it sounds like unused backing tracks for the new Cibo
Matto album. This is not necessarily a bad thing.

andrew


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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:52:34 -0700
From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: mike patton rumor

At that point on stage, a Steely Dan cover would have been oh so
clever.

Would that be a condom?


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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:34:15 +0000
From: "David Evans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Subject: Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell

Hi,

The Clarinet reminds me of the excellent Japanese band Cicala Muta. As far
as I know they have only one album out - Ching Dong: The Return of Japanese
Street Music (Nektar). This also reminds me of Frisell's 'Rambler' because
the bass end is played on a tuba.

Talking of bands with tubas instead of (contra)bass(guitarists), did anyone
see Big Air (with Jim Black) on tour in the UK last year? Weren't they
brilliant! I'd love to know if they plan to put something out. Any ideas?

Dave

>Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:38:49 +0000
>From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell
>
>Hi!!
>
>I just got "Ghost Of Electricity" by Junk Genious and I love it!! This >is
>pretty much what Bill Frisell should be doing now. It many ways >it's quite
>similar to the Frisell trio with Baron and Driscoll but >moves a lot
>forward a at the same time.
>
>Heartly recommended!!
>
>Any recommendations for other albums in a similar vain...?


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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 23:45:00 -0500
From: Parry  Gettelman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fado

I don't know  a lot about fado, either, but I quite like the new album
by Mariza, on Times Square.  Very strong, warm, expressive voice.  Some
of the songs aren't terribly memorable, however -- it's six classics and
six originals.

Parry


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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 11:27:10 -0700
From: skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: cat'n'mouse

Has anyone but me heard the new John Abercrombie disc? It got a lukewarm
review in the latest DOWNBEAT (not by Mr Hale, either), but that its
personnel included Mssrs Baron and Fledman piqued my interest.

skip h


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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:06:00 -0400
From: "Ryan Lewis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn project?

Is it true there is a Zorn, Mike Patton and Jenifer Charles project soon to
be released?
And if so will I be notified via the Zorn-o-mailing list?

thanks and...
cha cha cha.

ryan.

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:38:37 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: melvins/fantomas.

pardon me if i'm redundant and missed it but anyone got any feedback on the
melvins/fantomas live disc that came out this week?

if this was already covered and i missed it apologies and maybe mail me off
list or sumthing...

love,
  k8.



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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 23:08:03 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Another Zorn classical performance in NYC 6/1/02

Dear all:

Zorn's recent set of pieces 'Chimeras,' premiered late last year at
Bargemusic, will be performed again at New York's Merkin Concert Hall on
Saturday, June 1 at 9pm as part of the "Zoom - Composers Close Up" concert
series hosted by John Schaefer. Performers include Stephen Drury, Michael
Lowenstern, Jennifer Choi, Fred Sherry, William Winant and others. Tickets
cost $9 or pay-what-you-can. Merkin Concert Hall is located at 129 West 67th
St in Manhattan, just north of Lincoln Center.

Since Schaefer is hosting, it's possible that this performance is being
recorded for subsequent broadcast on WNYC - it's not, however, part of the
"New Sounds Live" series, so I don't think it will be webcast in real time.
If I learn anything more, I'll let you all know.

Just thought you'd like to know.

Steve Smith
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(... trying to effect the mental transition from a weekend of Feldman and
Cage concerts to preparing my taxes...)


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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:28:01 +0200
From: Pascal Cortes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fado

Salut,

In France, young fado singer Cristina Branco is having quite a nice success
with her albums and concerts (compared to other fado singers, I mean).
She mostly sings originals, composed and arranged by her portuguese-guitar
player Cust=F3dio Castelo, with lyrics by portuguese poets. Instrumentation
is mostly traditional (guitar, double bass and portuguese guitar... but
some piano at times), but many songs clearly have a modern, pop
influence... being yet still far from Madredeus. Some say she sings both
"Old" and "New Fado", with reference to Piazzola's New Tango, modern while
deeply rooted into the tradition. Cristina' s voice is very touching, while
softer than that of Amalia Rodriguez, and then maybe more accessible.=20
She may therefore be a good artist to start with for an initiation to Fado
Music.
I like her album "Post Scriptum" on "L'Empreinte Digitale" (France) quite a
lot. She also has a more recent album ("Corpo Illuminado") on Universal
that is really nice. I haven't heard her first one. All of them seem to be
available in the US through big, popular, online CD retailers.

For more details:
http://www.cristinabranco.com/

Pascal.

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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:51:27 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: Benefit to End the Israeli West Bank Occupation at Knitting Factory

> >>>>Hello.
>
> >>>Is anybody going to this? Pretty interesting lineup, wonder what it
>will
>be
> >like...
>
> >>Knitting Factory: Sunday, April 21, 2002;
> >>Benefit to End the Israeli West Bank Occupation
>
>Im probably going to go.

Please write a comment afterwards...


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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:54:20 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn project?

Could be. There will be a Zorn album out on Ipecac, eventually.

Who is Charles?

>From: "Ryan Lewis" <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Zorn project?
>Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:06:00 -0400
>
>
>Is it true there is a Zorn, Mike Patton and Jenifer Charles project soon to
>be released?
>And if so will I be notified via the Zorn-o-mailing list?
>
>thanks and...
>cha cha cha.
>
>ryan.




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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:16:28 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Subject: Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell

>The Clarinet reminds me of the excellent Japanese band Cicala Muta. As far
>as I know they have only one album out - Ching Dong: The Return of Japanese
>Street Music (Nektar). This also reminds me of Frisell's 'Rambler' because
>the bass end is played on a tuba.

Sounds very interesting. They played at Meltdown 2000 in London, didn't
they? Is that album any good?




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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:22:32 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Subject: Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell

> >The Clarinet reminds me of the excellent Japanese band Cicala Muta. As
far
> >as I know they have only one album out - Ching Dong: The Return of
Japanese
> >Street Music (Nektar). This also reminds me of Frisell's 'Rambler'
because
> >the bass end is played on a tuba.
>
> Sounds very interesting. They played at Meltdown 2000 in London, didn't
> they? Is that album any good?

Don't know the band at all, but just thought I'd chime in with the fact that
CDnow has two albums listed, Ching Dong (1999) and Deko Boko (2002). The
latter includes pieces by Bartok and Ayler. Sounds like it would be very
interesting. No sound clips unfortunately... Incidentally they are listed as
Cicala Mvta, but that could be a mistake...


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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:53:06 +0000
From: "Ricardo Jorge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fado / portuguese music/instrumental fado virtuosos( Charlie Haden

Are we talking about fado or portuguese music influenced by it??

Because I don't think Mariza, Madredeus and Ala dos Namorados qualify as
fado! If you're looking for new names listen to CamanΘ,..But I advise you to
stick to the classics if you want names:
Alfredo Marceneiro
Ercφlia Costa
Amßlia Rodrigues
Tristπo da Silva
Fernando Maurφcio
...check them out at:
http://lisboa.kpnqwest.pt/p/ouvir/fado/sons_fado.html

, or at this time of year go to coimbra were you can atenbd at live
serenatas for free!!

anyway, I'd advise you to put the fado aside and listen to Portuguese guitar
instrumentals of Virtuoso CARLOS PAREDES (he has an album with Charlie
Haden, very beautifull)

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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:33:37 +0200
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn project?

there will be a new Zorn on Tzadik at the end of may with Patton and
Charles.
Jennifer is a lascivious singer (Elysian Fields and with Oren Bloedow and DJ
Logic). She┤s also featured on the Bolan and Gainsbourg sampler on Tzadik.

Andreas

np: Brⁿknahm Project (Knitting) really interesting and varied work of
sampling and beats by Philip Wilson┤s son, which I hadn┤t heard of before -
any cues?

>From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
>
>Could be. There will be a Zorn album out on Ipecac, eventually.
>
>Who is Charles?
>
>>From: "Ryan Lewis" <[e-mail]>
>>
>>Is it true there is a Zorn, Mike Patton and Jenifer Charles project soon
>>to
>>be released?
>>And if so will I be notified via the Zorn-o-mailing list?


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