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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #884
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, April 16 2002 Volume 03 : Number 884
In this issue:
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Re: Zorn project?
Re: Zorn project?
Re: Benefit to End the Israeli West Bank Occupation at Knitting Factory (OT)
Whence Music
Playing reconstructed music
Re: Playing reconstructed music
RE: Playing reconstructed music
Fluxus
Re: Odp: What Does DMG Know?
Worthwhile reading
Re: Playing reconstructed music; Phil Minton recs
Re: Junk Genius
Anyone need a copy of M Shipp's SONGS on Splasc(H) Records?
Re: Odp: What Does PKD Know?
Oskar Sala obit
RE: Odp: What Does PKD Know?
RICARDO REIS - please contact me OFF LIST
Fwd: New Upcoming Zorn Release
Re: Fwd: New Upcoming Zorn Release
Re: Fwd: New Upcoming Zorn Release
RE: Fwd: New Upcoming Zorn Release
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:22:00 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn project?
>there will be a new Zorn on Tzadik at the end of may with Patton and
>Charles.
Do you have any more info on this???
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:10:44 +0200
From: Thierry Raguin <thierryraguin@urbanet.ch>
Subject: Re: Zorn project?
And Jennifer Charles also sang with Mike Patton on Lovage - Music To
Make Love To Your Old Lady By.
- - TR
Andreas Dietz wrote:
> there will be a new Zorn on Tzadik at the end of may with Patton and
> Charles.
> Jennifer is a lascivious singer (Elysian Fields and with Oren Bloedow
> and DJ Logic). She┤s also featured on the Bolan and Gainsbourg sampler
> on Tzadik.
>
> Andreas
>
> np: Brⁿknahm Project (Knitting) really interesting and varied work of
> sampling and beats by Philip Wilson┤s son, which I hadn┤t heard of
> before - any cues?
>
>> From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Could be. There will be a Zorn album out on Ipecac, eventually.
>>
>> Who is Charles?
>>
>>> From: "Ryan Lewis" <arsenic74@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> Is it true there is a Zorn, Mike Patton and Jenifer Charles project
>>> soon to
>>> be released?
>>> And if so will I be notified via the Zorn-o-mailing list?
>>
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 02:12:49 +0200
From: "Tal G." <telly_o@softhome.net>
Subject: Re: Benefit to End the Israeli West Bank Occupation at Knitting Factory (OT)
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Tal Goldman
Jerusalem
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:22:08 -0700
From: "s~Z" <keithmar@msn.com>
Subject: Whence Music
Re: Our recent discussion about music.
This book is reviewed in the current issue of Signal To Noise:
http://dannyreviews.com/h/Origins_Music.html
(The link is not to the STN review.)
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:55:44 -0400
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: Playing reconstructed music
Hi all,
Saw this tantalizing Bob Ostertag release but wondered about the claim of
originality here. I know I've heard this concept done elsewhere. Does anyone know
who has also done an idea like this?
Best,
Jason
> >OSTERTAG, BOB: Say No More Volumes 1 & 2 2CD (SEE 521). "Seeland announces
> >the first of two releases that comprise the entire Say No More Project of
> >Bob Ostertag. This project is, without exaggeration, unique in the history
> >of music: a virtuoso quartet that co-exists with a digital mirror of
> >itself. Ostertag began by sending the musicians, separately, into studios
> >with no instructions other than to record improvisations. Using a
> >computer, he exploded the solos into fragments, and created a virtual
> >'band' from the pieces, then challenged the musicians to learn the works
> >he had created -- in effect, to re-learn their own playing, but as heard
> >through the prism of Ostertag's manipulations. The ensemble began to
> >develop a life of its own as the musicians struggled to perform the
> >computer-derived material. The Say No More Project, CDs 1 & 2, shows this
> >remarkable work. The first CD, Say No More, features the works Ostertag
> >made on the computer. The second, Say No More In Person, features the
> >live ensemble performing the fractured computer composition created from
> >their solos.
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:51:00 -0400
From: <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Playing reconstructed music
>I know I've heard this concept done elsewhere.
Me too and now I'm going crazy trying to remember.
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:48:08 -0400
From: "Sean Westergaard" <seawes@allmusic.com>
Subject: RE: Playing reconstructed music
i think we're all thinking of these releases:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A7al67u5020j0
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Amy5s8qzmbtc4
they're Ostertag releases from the mid 90's where he samples Phil Minton,
Mark Dresser and Gerry Hemingway improvising, re-arranges the sampled bits
into a composition, then has the band members learn that "composition". The
Seeland release is almost certainly archival, much like the Plunderphonics
set.
sean
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Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 4:51 PM
To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: Playing reconstructed music
>I know I've heard this concept done elsewhere.
Me too and now I'm going crazy trying to remember.
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:59:45 -0700
From: "carlos torres" <nipomoone@hotmail.com>
Subject: Fluxus
Hello,
does anyone know where i can get a copy of Fluxus "Fluxtellus" ( on Tellus)?
Thanks for the help
ct
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:16:57 -0400
From: "marc elzweig" <godbert@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Odp: What Does DMG Know?
'Time out of Joint' always had a certain appeal to me, likely a better place
for starters.
- -marc
>From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
>To: "Joseph Zitt" <jzitt@metatronpress.com>, "Steve Smith"
><ssmith36@sprynet.com>
>CC: "'zornlist'" <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
>Subject: Odp: What Does DMG Know?
>Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 00:04:00 +0200
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
>
> > "The Transmigration of Timothy Archer", then listening to Tod Machover's
> > opera of "Valis".
>
>I also liked 'transmigration quite a lot'; both other parts of the trilogy
>are great, but hardly for PKD - beginners.
>Marcin
>
>
>-
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:35:39 -0700
From: Chris Selvig <selvig@sonic.net>
Subject: Worthwhile reading
Zach et al,
In light of your interest in what drives us to listen to
experimental/out music, and, well, your interest in the music itself, I
think you'll find the following pieces useful. The first, at
http://www.pnf-library.org/free_n.html, is Bruce Russell (Dead C/Handful of
Dust guy)'s "Free Noise Manifesto." The second is by Alan Licht (on about
a billion records w/Love Child, Rudolph Grey, Loren MazzaCane...)'s
response to the Manifesto, and is one of my favorite pieces of music
writing; it's at http://www.hevanet.com/chezxx/run_on/alan1.html, which is
down at the moment but worked just fine last night.
Chris Selvig
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:25:50 -0500
From: "William Crump" <crumpw@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Playing reconstructed music; Phil Minton recs
>From: "Sean Westergaard" <seawes@allmusic.com>
> they're Ostertag releases from the mid 90's where he samples Phil Minton,
> Mark Dresser and Gerry Hemingway improvising, re-arranges the sampled bits
> into a composition, then has the band members learn that "composition". The
> Seeland release is almost certainly archival, much like the Plunderphonics
> set.
>
Joey Baron was also one of the improvisors on the first volume, not involved
in the "band" after that.
Ostertag continued this series by exploding the live recordings from "Say No
More In Person," creating from the shards a new composition called
"Verbatim," and releasing that as part 3 of the project. (It was on
Rastascan.) Then the band learned THAT piece, and part 4 was "Verbatim,
Flesh and Blood," on Seeland.
I love this whole project -- music that's completely composed and completely
improvised at the same time -- and I'm glad Seeland is making an effort to
keep it in print.
This leads me to ask -- can anyone recommend any other Phil Minton work
that's readily available? I'm in awe of his work on this series.
William Crump
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:52:01 -0400
From: "marc elzweig" <godbert@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Junk Genius
it's on new world records.
never really got into it myself, not sure why.
>From: stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman)
>To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: Junk Genius
>Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:08:37 +0200 (MET DST)
>
>I understand John Schott (the genius behind Junk Genius) has a similar
>record out entitled _Shuffle Play_ which has gotten excellent reviews.
>Don┤t recall the label, though... Stephen
>
>Stephen Fruitman
>Dept of Historical Studies
>Umeσ University
>SE-901 87 Umeσ Sweden
>
>
>
>-
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:41:33 -0400
From: Rick Lopez <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: Anyone need a copy of M Shipp's SONGS on Splasc(H) Records?
I have an extra.
$16.00 postpaid.
First come, first served.
The race is on,
RL
http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP;
D.S. WARE; COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL;
WORKMAN; Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN;
HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag...
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:42:24 -0700
From: "s~Z" <keithmar@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Odp: What Does PKD Know?
Hey Steve. Don't listen to those referring to you as a beginner.
As much as I love PKD, it's not like you have to 'work up' to his
major works. Begin with Eldritch, Ubik, Valis Trilogy, and
Pot-Healer. I began with these and then went back and read his
earlier stuff only to find it a bit disappointing. But I still
read over 30 of his novels.
- -
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:43:30 -0400
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: Oskar Sala obit
Greetings,
Thanks again to everyone who replied to my request to translate the press
release about electronic music pioneer Oskar Sala's death earlier this
year. For anyone that's interested, it's included at this site along with
a brief tribute by Peter
Namlook: http://www.furious.com/perfect/ohm/oskarsala.html
Enormous thanks to Franz Fuchs for his help with this.
Best,
Jason
Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
perfect-sound@furious.com
http://www.furious.com/perfect
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:42:15 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: Odp: What Does PKD Know?
Did someone refer to me as a beginner? Must've missed it, but I can live
with that, actually. Everyone's a beginner at least once.
In general, I often prefer to approach such large oeuvres chronologically,
since reading in order allows you to comprehend whatever continuity an
artist may have seeded throughout his/her works. And that aside (since
there's no obvious continuity), I have to admit that much as I'm enjoying
'Ubik,' I'd think it was far more of a bitch to comprehend had I not read
'The Man in the High Castle' and 'Martian Time-Slip' first to at least get a
sense of Dick's language and methods.
I got real lucky the other afternoon, BTW, and found pristine,
plastic-enveloped copies of 'Ubik,' 'Galactic Pot-Healer' and 'A Scanner
Darkly' on a street vendor's table for $6-$7 apiece. There were others,
should I need to go back for more - and I suspect I shall...
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - nada
NR - Philip K. Dick, 'Ubik'
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
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Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:42 PM
To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: Odp: What Does PKD Know?
Hey Steve. Don't listen to those referring to you as a beginner.
As much as I love PKD, it's not like you have to 'work up' to his
major works. Begin with Eldritch, Ubik, Valis Trilogy, and
Pot-Healer. I began with these and then went back and read his
earlier stuff only to find it a bit disappointing. But I still
read over 30 of his novels.
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 07:21:13 +0200
From: ecirtap@bluemail.ch
Subject: RICARDO REIS - please contact me OFF LIST
Ricardo...
Please get in touch.
Have found out a tiny bit more regarding Musashi Miyamoto.
patRice
np: The Cure, Pornography
nr: Louise Brown, Sex Slaves
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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 02:26:04 -0300
From: Alex Werner <alexwerner@uol.com.br>
Subject: Fwd: New Upcoming Zorn Release
http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=3405711&cart=120276690&style=music
CD Universe.
John Zorn. IAO
Status. Pre-Order now. available May, 21
Track listing.
1. Invocation
2. Sex Magick
3. Secret Rites of the Left Hand Path
4. The Clavicle of Solomon
5. Lucifer Rising
6. Leviathan
7. Mysteries
Guests.
John Zorn, Cyro Baptista, Mike Patton, Bill Laswell, Jennifer Charles,
Jamie Saft, Jim Pugliese, Greg Cohen, Rebecca Moore, Beth Hatton
>X-From_: root Tue Mar 26 02:01:37 2002
>Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 04:10:39 -0800 (PST)
>From: Andy Marks <andywmarks@yahoo.com>
>Subject: New Upcoming Zorn Release
>To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
>Sender: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
>
>Zorn, John - lAO
>RELEASE DATE: 05/14. "The name lAO is Kabbalistically
>identical to the
>Beast and his number 666. In the tradition of Zorn's
>longform studio
>compositions Godard, Spillane, Elegy, Kristallnacht
>and Duras, yet
>completely unique in form and content, lAO is a
>hypnotic seven-movement
>suite of Alchemy, Mysticism, Metaphysics and Magic
>both black and
>white. Inspired in part by the esoteric works of
>Aleister Crowley and
>his magickal disciple, filmmaker Kenneth Anger, the
>seven movements
>range from hypnotic exotica, ritualistic percussion
>and death metal to
>ambient, electronica and a stunning piece for female
>chorus. As varied
>and listenable as The Gift and as perplexing as Songs
>from the Hermetic
>Theater, lAO is a major new work by downtown's master
>of the
>unexpected."
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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:55:46 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: New Upcoming Zorn Release
>Guests.
>John Zorn, Cyro Baptista, Mike Patton, Bill Laswell, Jennifer Charles,
>Jamie Saft, Jim Pugliese, Greg Cohen, Rebecca Moore, Beth Hatton
Pretty interesting lineup for "death metal"!
Cheers,
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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:11:59 -0500
From: "William Crump" <crumpw@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: New Upcoming Zorn Release
This is the first new Zorn project to really excite me in... well, several
years. Tell me, Dr. Drew, am I normal?
William Crump
- ----------
>From: Alex Werner <alexwerner@uol.com.br>
> John Zorn. IAO
> Status. Pre-Order now. available May, 21
> Guests.
> John Zorn, Cyro Baptista, Mike Patton, Bill Laswell, Jennifer Charles,
> Jamie Saft, Jim Pugliese, Greg Cohen, Rebecca Moore, Beth Hatton
>
"The name lAO is Kabbalistically
>>identical to the
>>Beast and his number 666. In the tradition of Zorn's
>>longform studio
>>compositions Godard, Spillane, Elegy, Kristallnacht
>>and Duras, ...
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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:25:09 -0500
From: "Zachary Steiner" <zsteiner@butler.edu>
Subject: RE: Fwd: New Upcoming Zorn Release
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of William Crump
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 8:12 AM
To: Alex Werner; Zorn List
>> Subject: Re: Fwd: New Upcoming Zorn Release
This is the first new Zorn project to really excite me in... well,
several
years. Tell me, Dr. Drew, am I normal?
As a student of psychology, I would say that you are completely
normal...either that or I am crazy too. This sounds like a really cool
project. Does any one think that it will get released before Live NC?
We should start a pool...
Zach
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