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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #873
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Zorn List Digest Friday, April 5 2002 Volume 03 : Number 873
In this issue:
-
Game Pieces/Cobra Release
Re: Game Pieces/Cobra Release + NEW RELEASES
Re Searching
Fwd: Re: Game Pieces/Cobra Release + NEW RELEASES
Soft Machine again
quick Monk question
RE: quick Monk question
Music for Children
Re: Soft Machine again
new cobra review
Re: Soft Machine again
Re: Soft Machine again
Re: Soft Machine again
douglas and caine
break-up music
ESP labyrinth of reissues...
Re: douglas and caine
Re: douglas and caine
Yoshihide - Dreams
anyone taping Charlie Hunter/Bobby Previte
touring webpage
Re: touring webpage
The Necks
Antw: VPRO (was: Zony Mash returns)
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:22:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Brooker <hirakemike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Game Pieces/Cobra Release
Is anyone aware of additional game pieces that Zorn
may release next as part of the game piece archival
series?? Also, what are everyones thoughts of the new
Cobra release?
I realize this question may have been asked before,
but does anyone here have any of the game piece
performances on VHS that they would be willing to sell
copies of? (email me of response to this privately if
you wish)
Thanks,Mike
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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:15:03 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Game Pieces/Cobra Release + NEW RELEASES
Hi people.
>Also, what are everyones thoughts of the new
>Cobra release?
Is it already released?
>I realize this question may have been asked before,
>but does anyone here have any of the game piece
>performances on VHS that they would be willing to sell
>copies of?
You should try to get a copy of "On The Edge", the four part tv series Derek
Bailey made about improvisation. It has a lovely section about Zorn and
"Cobra" with interview and recording excerpts. Very, very good.
And interestingly, it wil get one of it's rare public screenings this week!!
Also that night will be a Derek Bailey solo concert and a question & answer
session, which I'm sure will be a ball.
It's Friday 12 April: Electric Cinema, Birmingham (phone/fax: 0121 643
7277).
Is anybody planning to go there??? I think it sounds like a very unique
oportunity!!
Anybody heard the following:
Han Bennink & Evan Parker: "The grass is greener"
Han Bennink, percussion; Evan Parker, saxophone.
1. Traps of appetite (15.15)
2. Traps of instinct (20.23)
3. Outside the usual rules of the eating game (05.18)
4. Smoke of sacrifice (07.30)
5. The empty hook (05.23)
6. Coyotes are eating pure bred poodles in Beverly Hills (02.24)
7. Pluto has a moon (04.21)
8. To tangle lure and snare (02.03)
Recorded at Gateway Studios, London on 16 March 2000; produced by Evan
Parker.
Derek Bailey/Franz Hautzinger
Derek Bailey, electric and acoustic guitar; Franz Hautzinger, quartertone
trumpet.
1. Tea (05.54)
2. Cricket (11.50)
3. Talk (15.36)
4. Contracts (04.39)
5. Weather (05.22)
6. Appointment (07.54)
7. Details (03.58)
8. Krautrock (05.09)
9. The Vietnamese driver (04.15)
10. Out 147 (01.15)
11. Good B (00.46)
Recorded at Moat Studios, London; no date given but definitely 2001,
probably March; some post-processing done on Hautzinger's channel by Patrick
Pulsinger and DJ Darcosan.
Cheeeeeers,
NR: http://www.democracynow.org/
NP: Fantomas: "Director's Cut"
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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:07:39 -0500
From: Rick Lopez <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: Re Searching
Does anyone have any info on Amy Sheffer?
Last time I heard a peep she had done a gig at the Knit, I think two Summers
ago... Tried this back then and got no response.
Two LPs with Will'am Parker:
http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/PARKER.disc.html#80.11.00
http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/PARKER.disc.html#85.12.27
Thanks for anything,
RL
http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP;
D.S. WARE; COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL;
WORKMAN; Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN;
HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag...
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:58:07 +0200 (CEST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Game Pieces/Cobra Release + NEW RELEASES
Hi,
>
> Hi people.
>
> >Also, what are everyones thoughts of the new
> >Cobra release?
>
> Is it already released?
Yes it has. In fact, some copies have already arrived
to Spain, so look for it out there! I'll be able to
listen to it tomorrow. I'll let you know my (humble)
thoughts on it.
"Hockey" has also been released.
What about Mephista and Otomo's New Jazz Quintet?
Has the Naked City Live Vol. 1 been delayed again?
Thanks,
EfrΘn
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:06:18 +0200 (CEST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Soft Machine again
Hi,
Many months ago I got lots of Robert Wyatt/Soft
Machine recs here but I lost all the info in my
computer. I could take advantage of the RW
recommendations but not those of Soft Machine. Today I
found their "Vol. 1" and "Third". Are these a good
place to start? Is Wyatt in both?
Many thanks in advance.
Best,
EfrΘn del Valle
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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:25:28 -0500
From: Matt Teichman <mft4@cornell.edu>
Subject: quick Monk question
Who was it that originally composed "Ruby, My Dear"? Was it Monk, or
someone else?
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:56:20 -0500
From: "josephneff" <jneff@visuallink.com>
Subject: RE: quick Monk question
Hello,
...it was Monk.
Joseph
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Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:25 AM
To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Subject: quick Monk question
Who was it that originally composed "Ruby, My Dear"? Was it Monk, or
someone else?
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- -
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:25:02 +0200 (CEST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Music for Children
Hi,
I'd like to know from which book EM Cioran's
quotations in the "Music for Children" album were
taken. Any clues?
Thanks in advance,
EfrΘn del Valle
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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 12:06:56 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Soft Machine again
>Hi,
>
>Many months ago I got lots of Robert Wyatt/Soft
>Machine recs here but I lost all the info in my
>computer. I could take advantage of the RW
>recommendations but not those of Soft Machine. Today I
>found their "Vol. 1" and "Third". Are these a good
>place to start? Is Wyatt in both?
>
RW is on the first 4 Softs LP's and the pre-vol 1 demos that
have been issued umpteen times. He's also on most of the BBC
recordings and the Cuneiform live discs. Wyatt, the vocalist is
probably best heard on vol 2, Wyatt the drummer on vol 4.
- -
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:03:49 -0800 (PST)
From: jason tors <jasontors@yahoo.com>
Subject: new cobra review
hi all,
I think volume 2 is more dependent on experiencing cobra live than vol1
[xu feng] I think xu feng can stand on its own with or without the game
piece concept. Vol2 is very visual, but maybe I can imagine what it
looks like onstage with all the action happening from one side of the
stage to the other. The first track starts off how I remember most
performances, lots of movement and fragments from each musician or
groups of musicians. Overall the first track has a very heavy
electronic side, l.tops and samplers working in very dense patterns.
The second track starts more quiet, mostly strings and piano, sparse
work from susie on the drums gaining intensity in spots. Then
electronics come in flowing into some great trios of strings and piano
building into a large drone like sound.
track three features derek bailey with electronic accompanyment with
some connections that are pretty unbelievable. Shifting more acoustic
groupings but mostly building on fractured guitar electronics and
drums, the ending builds with a lot of high end piercing electronics
sounds, finally ending with some very well built improv from the
acoustic members and one last touch of electronics. This track seems to
me all about balance and placement. Building tension.
4 is really the highlight for me, this is where the best of cobra comes
out, where you forget that its all improvised, that there is some long
hair calling the changes, it works really really well, from the totally
unexpected noises and well placed spasms to some actual swing, saft
sounding great on wurli [or other keybrd?] but behind it all so much
density and texture. This track sums up the perfect experience of
cobra.
no time to go thru the rest, but you get the point. Its a great album,
of course I think it helps to have a cobra performance under your belt,
and doesnt stand on its own quite as well as xu feng, but is a damn
good record.
np: cobra v2
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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 13:36:07 -0800
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: Soft Machine again
Efr=E9n del Valle wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> Many months ago I got lots of Robert Wyatt/Soft
> Machine recs here but I lost all the info in my
> computer. I could take advantage of the RW
> recommendations but not those of Soft Machine. Today I
> found their "Vol. 1" and "Third". Are these a good
> place to start? Is Wyatt in both?
To answer the first question, _Third_ is probably the best place to=20
start. IMHO (need to program a hotkey for that string ...).
- --=20
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com
"Unexamined assumptions and axioms can be collected the
way one might collect stamps."
-- James Elkins
np: Ilitch, _Periodikmindtrouble_
nr: _Rapid Eye 1_
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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 13:43:29 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Soft Machine again
On Wed, 03 Apr 2002 13:36:07 -0800 Jim Flannery wrote:
>
> To answer the first question, _Third_ is probably the best place to
> start. IMHO (need to program a hotkey for that string ...).
But the sound is quite mediocre on the US pressing... According to some
rumours, the UK pressing is much better:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - THIRD: Soft Machine
2002 (?) - Columbia (USA), CGK 30339 (CD)
2002 - Columbia (UK), 471407 (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Was somebody able to compare?
Patrice (who usually does not care about audio quality).
- -
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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:47:03 -0800
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: Soft Machine again
Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> But the sound is quite mediocre on the US pressing... According to some
> rumours, the UK pressing is much better:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *** - THIRD: Soft Machine
>
> 2002 (?) - Columbia (USA), CGK 30339 (CD)
> 2002 - Columbia (UK), 471407 (CD)
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Was somebody able to compare?
>
On CD? No idea ... I've got the UK press of the vinyl (CBS 66246)
& the sound is mediocre at best, especially on "Facelift"; always
sort of assumed that was as good as it was going to get.
If something's actually improved on *any* edition I'd be glad to know
about it too ...
- --
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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way one might collect stamps."
-- James Elkins
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nr: Sax Rohmer, _The Green Eyes of Bast_
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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:08:02 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: douglas and caine
Heya,
Just heard a rumour that Dave and Uri and co. (the quartet or quintet I
guess) are going to be coming out to Australia around November this year.
Can anyone confirm or deny such a notion?
Thanks,
Julian.
- -
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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:44:05 +0200 (MEST)
From: Emmanouil Papagiannakis <papagian@nat.vu.nl>
Subject: break-up music
I didn't follow very closely the discussion a few weeks ago about
relation break up music. I thought it wouldn't apply to me soon...
(always a fool)
My delayed contribution to this thread would be
Painkiller: Execution ground (ambient)
slow and painful...
manolis
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 09:02:29 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: ESP labyrinth of reissues...
I need some help from people who understand what is going on with the
ESP CD reissues.
I just bought the CD reissue of Steve Lacy's THE FOREST AND THE ZOO
and here is the info written on it concerning its origin:
Abraxas/ESP-Disk
Via Aretina 25
50069 Sieci (Firenze) Italy
catalog number: ESP 1060
The problem is that Forced Exposure announced a slightly different
reissue:
NEW RELEASES FOR THE WEEK OF 03/04/02
ESP/CALIBRE (NETHERLANDS):
LACY, STEVE: The Forest And The Zoo CD (ESPCD 1060).
My question is: is it the same reissue of are we lucky enough to get
two batches of ESP CD reissues at the same time:
- one on ESP/Calibre (Netherlands)
- and one on Abraxas/ESP (Italy)
Thanks,
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 09:12:11 -0800
From: skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: douglas and caine
on 4/3/02 11:08 PM, Julian at jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au wrote:
> Heya,
> Just heard a rumour that Dave and Uri and co. (the quartet or quintet I
> guess) are going to be coming out to Australia around November this year.
> Can anyone confirm or deny such a notion?
> Thanks,
> Julian.
>
>
> -
>
i'll ask uri tonight
sh
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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:41:05 EST
From: Samerivertwice@aol.com
Subject: Re: douglas and caine
www.davedouglas.com
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 14:54:57 -0500
From: "Bruno Bissonnette" <burningwater@hotmail.com>
Subject: Yoshihide - Dreams
Hey, has anybody heard the new Otomo Yoshihide Jazz Ensemble 'Dreams' cd on
Tzadik? Impressions?
Thanks,
Bruno
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 16:24:17 -0500
From: "Alan Kayser" <alankayser@hotmail.com>
Subject: anyone taping Charlie Hunter/Bobby Previte
Subject says it all. If you are attending & taping any of the four nights
at the Old Office please contact me off line. Jody?
Alan E Kayser
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:22:59 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: touring webpage
A while ago I found a website which listed upcoming concerts for a whole lot
of list-related(ish) musicians, including, if memory serves me correctly,
artists such as Don Byron, Pachora and Carla Bley... Does anyone know which
site I am talking about?
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Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:04:01 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: touring webpage
>A while ago I found a website which listed upcoming concerts for a whole
>lot
>of list-related(ish) musicians, including, if memory serves me correctly,
>artists such as Don Byron, Pachora and Carla Bley... Does anyone know which
>site I am talking about?
I have a mighty good idea, if it's in Europe that is:
http://www.ejn.it/saudades/
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Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:38:53 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: The Necks
Hello.
Just listenied to "Hanging Gardens" by The Necks, and what a pleasent
surpsrise! I thought this band would be plink plonk super minimal impro, but
in fact it's very groovy. Quite similiar to Ponga, but with more than a
slight Steve Reich touch.
So I'm curious. what are their other CDs like?? Do they compare?? Which one
would be the next one to get???
Have anybody seen them live?? I guess it might be incredibly boring, or...?
Generally I prefer this type of music in my living room.
(The Zorn connection of course being that the excellent drummer Tony Buck
ones met a guy who claimed to have heard "The Big Gundown" in the mid 80s)
Cheers,
NP: "Hanging Garden" by The Necks
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Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 15:03:23 -0800
From: "Marcel Kranendonk" <info@sjujazz.demon.nl>
Subject: Antw: VPRO (was: Zony Mash returns)
In the mean time the VR chanched there website.
I'll figure it out and let you know in time.
Marcel
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>Aan: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
>Onderwerp: VPRO (was: Zony Mash returns)
>Datum: zat, 30 maa 2002 10:40
>
> In a message dated 3/29/02 10:28:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> info@sjujazz.demon.nl writes:
>
> << Zony Mash (the electric version) played in Utrecht on sunday march 18.
> This concert (a great show!!) was recorded by VPRO-radio and will be
> broadcast in may or june.
> This broadcast also available in real-audio on the VPRO-site in may or june:
> http://www.vpro.nl/programma/jazzopvier >>
>
> Hi Marcel-
>
> There are multiple links that pop up under the above URL. For the sake of
> bookmarking, which one of these will we click on to get to the future ZM
> concert?
>
> --
> =dg=
>
> -
>
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