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Zorn List Digest        Friday, March 22 2002        Volume 03 : Number 842



In this issue:
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       Fwd: Re: Ooops!... Britney again!
       Willie Nels(on) Cline
       John Patton RIP ( Zorn content)
       Re: Ooops!... Britney again!
       Re: How Come?
       RE: [berne] scifri .nzc.
       Re: flag-waving
       our long national nightmare is over

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:20:31 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Ooops!... Britney again!

My suspicions on Tamra Davis come from a Spanish book
on Sonic Youth that defines her as an experimental
filmmaker and video director. I just wanted to confirm
the newspapers and me were talking about the same
person that directed SYÆs ôBull in the Heatherö video
and BritneyÆs first theatrical effort. ItÆs curious,
to say the least.
>
> EfrΘn wrote:
>
> > Are the
> > "underground" filmmaker and the Hollywood-puppet
> the
> > same person?!<
>
> Um, yeah they are ... judging by her earlier work
> (_Billy Madison_,
>
> _CB4_, _Gun Crazy_), I'm not sure where the word
> "underground" comes
>
> into it though ... I've never heard of her doing
> anything more
>
> "experimental" than a Bangles video ... what
> position is she supposed
>
> to be "selling out" from?
>
>
> --
>
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> Jim Flannery
>   [e-mail]
>
> np: Carlos Zingaro/Peggy Lee, _Western Front,
> Vancouver 1999_
> nr: John Lanchester, _The Debt to Pleasure_
>
>
> -
>

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:18:33 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Willie Nels(on) Cline

A most delightful thing coming up at Tonic that I couldn't help sharing...

- --Fri, Apr 19--
* Carla Bozulich & Friends Play Willie Nelson's Red Headed Stranger at 8pm,
$10
Nels Cline will be backing Carla up on guitar and lap steel with his new
trio,
The Nels Cline Singers. Both Carla and Nels are members of The (long
sleeping)
Geraldine Fibbers. Performance of this classic Willie Nelson album is a
heartfelt compulsion. The new arrangements you'll hear at this concert
reflect
possible risks and variations inspired by the free spirit of the original
album.

* The Nels Cline Singers at 10pm, $10
With Nels Cline (guitar), Scott Amendola (drums) and Devin Hoff (upright
bass).
Cline calls his new trio The Nels Cline Singers even though there are no
singers in the band. Nels displays a mastery of guitar expression that
encompasses delicate lyricism, sonic abstractions, and skull crunching
flights
of fancy, inspiring Jazz Times to call him, "The World's Most Dangerous
Guitarist."

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - G. Brent Fariss, Piano Sonata No. 2 - G. Brent Fariss (Spectral House)


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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:23:40 -0500
From: "DJ Steve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: John Patton RIP ( Zorn content)

Big John Patton passed away Tuesday 3/19/02, may he rest in peace.  Here's
a bio I wrote a while back...( By Gilles Bacon)

John Patton was born in 1935 in Kansas City, Missouri. His mother played
piano in local churches and social groups, but he says he's mostly
self-taught, picking up the instrument at the age of 12. John had planned
to attend Howard University, and was working in a service station and
sitting in at clubs when he auditioned for Lloyd Price. John stayed with
Lloyd for almost 6 years, becoming the musical director and de facto band
manager. He wrote several songs for Lloyd, and recorded some 10 albums
during that time, which also saw him touring the US and Australia. John
says he'd fool around with any organ that would happen to be in a club, but
he didn't switch until later.

In the summer of 1961, John moved to New York City because he wanted to
play Jazz. He got a room at the Flanders Hotel on 47th Street which was a
musician's hangout. There were often jam sessions in someone's room, and he
got to know many musicians that way. Thanks to Luther Dixon who worked with
Lloyd Price, John got a job at Sceptre Records capitalizing on his talents
as a songwriter. Among other tunes, he wrote "Wedding Day" performed by The
Shirelles.

During this time, John played around town at clubs like Brankers, Basie's,
Minton's, The Barron, The Red Rooster, The 5 Spot, Shalimar, and at the New
York World's Fair. He played with musicians like Calvin Newborn, Donald
Byrd, Ben Dixon, Babs Gonzales, Harold Vick and Grant Green. Later on, he
also became friends with Clifford Jarvis and sat in with the Sun Ra band
several times.

He also met Herman Greene (of Lionel Hampton's band) while playing the
strip in Asbury Park. It was Greene who, along with Ben Dixon, persuaded
John to switch to the organ. He got a chance to play exclusively the organ
with Greene, and decided to go with it. Grant Green, who was working with
Gloria Coleman at the time, told Lou about John and invited him over to
Blue Note. That was the start of a 10 year stay with the label.

1963 was John's most prolific year, as he recorded 9 albums: 2 as a leader
(although Blue John was only released in 1986), 2 with Lou Donaldson, and 1
each with Grant Green, Johnny Griffin & Mathew Gee, Red Holloway, Harold
Vick, and Don Wilkerson. In fact, John, Green and Ben Dixon formed Blue
Note's strongest rhythm section in the Soul-Jazz vein, backing artists like
Donaldson, Vick, Wilkerson, George Braith, as well as playing on John's and
Green's own albums as leaders. John went on to record 10 more albums as a
leader for Blue Note, including the classics The Way I Feel with Fred
Jackson and Let 'Em Roll with Bobby Hutcherson both with Green and Dixon,
and his most daring Understanding with Harold Alexander and Hugh Walker.

Blue Note not only issued for the first time Blue John in 1986, but in the
last two years have issued 2 of John's shelved projects, Boogaloo also with
Alexander and George Edward Brown on drums, and more recently Memphis to
New York Spirit with Marvin Cabell and James Ulmer. Among the many
musicians John has played with, his two most memorable associations were
with Alexander, and with Pharoah Sanders during a tour of Austria with
Betty Carter in the late 60's.

Unfortunately, the death of Alfred Lion and the drastic changes at Blue
Note from its purchase by United Artists, along with the "death" of the B-3
organ and birth of cheap synthesizers, forced John out of the recording
industry. Aside from 5 sessions as a sideman with Johnny Lytle, Jimmy
Ponder and John Zorn, John only recorded one album as a leader during the
70's and 80's, Soul Connection, with Grachan Moncur III, Melvin Sparks,
Grant Reed and Alvin Queen.

In the 90's however, with the resurrection of the Hammond B-3 organ, John's
career is picking up again. On top of the 2 recently released Blue Note
sessions from the 60's, he recorded two new albums. Blue Planet Man is
mostly new material played in a sextet with John Zorn, Bill Saxton, Pete
Chavez, Ed Cherry, Eddie Gladden, with Lawrence Killian and Rorie Nichols
adding some color with the congas and vocals on one track. This album,
produced by John's wife Thelma, was recently issued domestically by
Evidence.

DIW released Minor Swing, re-recordings of John's tunes from the 60's in a
quartet setting with John Zorn, Ed Cherry and Kenny Wolleson. This album
(produced in an elegant packaging like a miniature record with folding
sleeve), while not yet available domestically, has gotten excellent reviews
and is widely available as an import. The band opened up for Medeski Martin
& Wood four nights in a row in November 1995! DIW also recorded John doing
new material with Dave Hubbard, Ed Cherry, Eddie Gladden and Lawrence
Killian. This One's For Ja was Patton's last release

On a last note, while John's songwriting credits may come as a surprise to
some fans of his organ playing, it will probably surprise most people to
know that he has also coached musicians, most recently and notably,
Cassandra Wilson.






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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:29:42 -0800
From: skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ooops!... Britney again!

on 3/22/02 10:02 AM, Jim Flannery at [e-mail] wrote:

> Efr=E9n wrote:
>=20
>> Are the
>> "underground" filmmaker and the Hollywood-puppet the
>> same person?!<
>=20
> Um, yeah they are ... judging by her earlier work (_Billy Madison_,
>=20
> _CB4_, _Gun Crazy_), I'm not sure where the word "underground" comes
>=20
> into it though ... I've never heard of her doing anything more
>=20
> "experimental" than a Bangles video ... what position is she supposed
>=20
> to be "selling out" from?
>=20

the underground filmmaker is generally struggling hard for the right to be =
a
Hollywood puppet.  You think these guys like making movies on a budget that
is slightly less than what the trailer for a Spielberg movie costs?

skip h


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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:28:44 -0600
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: How Come?

On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 02:10:14AM -0800, john schuller wrote:
> Wow. This is more fun than a chatroom now. You are a knob of which I do not
> care to spend much more time with. Do you even have an opinion? Or are you
> here to question every sentence typed? I truly think you are a sad sad
> person in need of some serious outside activity. I really do.

A "knob"?

> You cannot sense sarcasm.

Except when expressed effectively. (And, as anyone who has been online
awhile knows, email, without the additional channels of communication
available through live speech, such as facial expressions, is
specifically ill-suited to sarcasm.)

As for the other supposed points, I see that you are set in your
dogmatism, and that no amount of explanation will have any effect
other that spawning your further flights of nonsense. I suggest
Remedial Reading, less caffeine, and maybe even meeting people other
than yourself.

> 1. I never complained about "Political Correctness".
> 2. Religion is a trivial matter. I do not see it's relevance to whether or
> not the music is good. I can't wait to try some good Muslim food. How about
> that new Christian Car? Have you checked out that Jehovah Witness Stereo?
> 3. Women have issues. Men have issues. Whites have issues. Blacks have
> issues. Welcome to life. I think you have the most issues.
> 4. Religion is a lifestyle choice. I was born a European-American Male. Not
> my choice. I am an atheist. My choice. My cousin was born a Europan-American
> male. Not his choice. He is Mormon. His choice.
> 5. I believe in equality among men, women and all races and ethnicities. I
> guess that makes me bad in your eyes.
>
> John Schuller
>
> Who is done with Mr. Zitt.
>
>
> >From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
> >To: john schuller <[e-mail]>
> >CC: [e-mail]
> >Subject: Re: How Come?
> >Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:05:26 -0600
> >
> >On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:23:29PM -0800, john schuller wrote:
> >
> > > >In what way are you incapable of seeing this?
> > >
> > > Explain your view of how that is complaining about Political Correctness
> >and
> > > I will see the way the I am currently incapable of seeing this. Do it. I
> > > dare ya.
> >
> >Explain to me how you are not seeing it, and I will fill in the gap.
> >
> > > Because the marketing of those projects promotes seperation. People
> >hanging
> > > out with others of like backgrounds etc. just promotes people hanging
> >out.
> >
> >Again: you find some unstated problem with people creating projects
> >(which, of course, are inextricable from that to which I am guessing
> >that you refer by the term "marketing") based on that which they find
> >that they have in common with some others. If you do not find this to
> >be a problem, then explain why you approve of other projects that can
> >safely be predicted not to be of interest to any other subset of the
> >world population.
> >
> > > Not "Look at me, I am different because I was born with different
> > > genetalia"...
> >
> >If you consider women's issues to be a simple matter of "genitalia",
> >you demonstrate your further incomprehension of the lives of people
> >other than yourself.
> >
> > > > > How? I don't dislike the recording projects. I dislike that they are
> > > > > marketed the way they are.
> > > >
> > > >How are you drawing this distinction?
> > >
> > > Here is our "People with Vagina" series. Etc. Etc.
> >
> >Again: how are you drawing the difference between the recording and
> >marketing of the Radical Jewish Culture series? With the possible exception
> >of the Great Jewish Composers trilogy (which I suspect is the joker in the
> >deck), the other items in the series are particularly relevant to Jewish
> >culture, and were primarily created expressly for that series.
> >
> >Your repeated issue with "genetalia" (sic) and "Vagina" is best left
> >as a matter for your therapist.
> >
> > > >Yet you find it, and not the others, as a valid parameter for
> > > >aggregation. I ask again: why?
> > >
> > > It is valid just because all it is a geographical spot. In different
> > > countries the music can be very different from others. Sort of like how
> > > people with penises make different music than those with vaginas. They
> > > should all be in seperate a seperate Music Series.
> >
> >Unfortunately, possibly as a result of the displayed psychosexual issues,
> >the above paragraph has lost even syntactical coherence. Try again?
> >
> > > >Thus confirming the earlier suggestion that you are unfamiliar with
> > > >more than a trivial concept of religious belief and practice.
> > >
> > > That is because religion is a lifestyle choice that I have ZERO interest
> >in.
> > > It is a life style that is not for me. To me- all religious practices
> >and
> > > belief are trivial.
> >
> >"trivial"... "ZERO interest"... yet you repeatedly and vociferously
> >condemn its expression in art. Curious.
> >
> >That you project your lack of interest in it into a demand that you
> >place on others fits snugly into the arrogant solipsism which you have
> >revealed so far.
> >
> >--
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> >
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:36:39 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [berne] scifri .nzc.

Thanks, Jason, for the succinct and insightful view of the new Berne, which
I've yet to hear apart from the MP3s available on the website. This one's
certainly on my shopping list now (but then, that's kind of a given...).

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - G. Brent Fariss, Piano Sonata No. 2 - G. Brent Fariss (Spectral House)


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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:38:53 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: flag-waving

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:18:47 -0800  skip Heller wrote:
>
> I don't know that intellectuals speaking out has ever solved anything --
> were it only that simple.  During the Vietnam era, the perception of the US
> citizenry -- such as it could be viewed by those in the international
> elsewhere -- was definitely that our rank-and-file citizenry were far more
> motivated to say something publicly about the decisions our leadership made
> and how they were being implemented.  That it looked interesting on the news
> didn;t hurt, either.  Bunch of weird-lookin' young people gathered in one
> place is always a good start.  If there can be a riot, even better.

In fact I was not really thinking about the minority of true intellectuals
(although I would feel better if they were more outspoken -- assuming they
care). The real tragedy (but I am a pessimistic person by nature) right now
is that even among the liberals, there is very little reaction (and US is
still 50/50 as far as the main two parties, right?). And if the rest of the
world believes that US is one behind its leader, they have good reasons to do
so. If Americans were paying a little attention to what is happening in the
rest of the world (on which a good part of their wealth is based), they would
be surprised. Before September 11, there was a growing concern that US was
becoming a problem (for peace, for economic stability, for environment, etc).
After the tragic event, these concerns were overshadowed by US (fairly) well
accepted answer to the tragedy. But many indicators seem to indicate that the
honeymoon is over. More and more people in this world are starting again to
feel that the main problem right now is US, as represented by the Bush admi-
nistration. And the silence of the opposition is quite disturbing (maybe
trying to recover from 8 years of easy life and hangover with Clinton).

    Patrice.

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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:47:28 +0000
From: "Kurt Gottschalk" <[e-mail]>
Subject: our long national nightmare is over

just got this in the mail at the paper here.

"Just think of a single product able to stop scratches, fingerprints and
smudge marks from damaging your CDs. DVDs and CD-ROMs, by taking the worry
out of how carefully you try to handle them by hand. It's called the CD-LIFT
and it enables you to pick up your CDs without your fingers even touching
the CD surface. The CD-LIFT works by a gentle vacuum suction that allows you
to lift and transport your CDs from the CD case to the PC drive or CD player
and vice versa, thereby avoiding the manual touch-and-grab way CDs are
usually handled."

essentially, it's a suction cup that you can use to take the cd out of the
case. available in grass green, raspberry, ocean blue, sunflower, purple
grape and walnut, for a mere $12.95.

ok, single-file please, no pushing.

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