on 3/19/02 10:00 AM, Patrice L. Roussel at proussel@ichips.intel.com wrote:
> And we are supposed to see K8 and Wuorinen on the same level, right?
>
> If she can dismiss Wuorinen's music so easily based on what she calls B.S.
> (his
> use of fractals, I suppose), I would expect similar intellectual rigor from
> her part concerning her approach using Godel's theorem(s) and Julia's
> fractals.
> From an outsider, Wuorinen's timid attempt looks like cream to me :-). I
> definitely see B.S., but not in Wuorinen's work.
>
> For someone who has exhibited recently such little pity for what many consider
> as heros (with of course the usual IMHO, which allows to say the meanest
> things
> and covering his ass at the same time), why such a sudden rash of indulgence
> for K8?
>
> Patrice.
If Wourinen -- or Lou Reed or Ornette Coleman -- was a participant in this
list, your point would be salient. They can be praised or damned and it's
nothing personal. But if they were participants on this list, they would
rate the same manners as anyone else when it comes down to personally
calling someone's output on the carpet, which is something that is out of
bounds.
skip h
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:39:24 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: fractal music?
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:32:16 -0800 skip Heller wrote:
>
> If Wourinen -- or Lou Reed or Ornette Coleman -- was a participant in this
> list, your point would be salient. They can be praised or damned and it's
> nothing personal. But if they were participants on this list, they would
> rate the same manners as anyone else when it comes down to personally
> calling someone's output on the carpet, which is something that is out of
> bounds.
Are you trying to say that by simply being part of a mailing list you get
total immunity? That you can diss anybody as long as they are dead or not
on the list (with the careful sprinkling of IMHO)?
Thanks for the clarification,
Patrice.
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:39:57 EST
From: UFOrbK8@aol.com
Subject: fractal "musik"...
i'll jump in.
i'm no great mathematician. i don't pretend to be. but i, as many of my friends and colleagues, use mathematics as a means to an aesthetic end. i have found that wuorinen's music uses mathematics as the basis for a specific idiom, and not to produce interesting results within a more acceptable aesthetic.
i, as many, do not find wuorinen's music to be aesthetically pleasing. and gauging from your comment, i'm not entirely sure you're familiar with his output. i say this because you readily defended him, not something many people do except for the sake of argument, because it is widely accepted that his music is shit and the concept is interesting.
on that note, you haven't heard my music either, and i think it's pretty amusing that you'd see fit to make an aesthetic judgement call on it.
so maybe you ought to throw some of your output onto the table of public opinion so we can be as nasty to you publicly as you are to so many of us.
love,
k8.
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:51:48 +0000
From: "Kurt Gottschalk" <ecstasymule@hotmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: christine bard 3/23 at the brecht
>Neues Kabarett presents:
>Christine Bard
>with dancers Deborah Stamos and Marija Krtolica
>
>Saturday, March 23
>9 pm SHARP
>doors open 8:30
>$8
>at The Brecht Forum/122 W. 27th Street, 10th Floor
>between 6th and 7th Avenues
>F or C/E train to 23rd St.; 1/9 train to 28th St.
>
>Neues Kabarett is thrilled to welcome Christine Bard
>back to the Brecht Forum. Bard will perform soundscape
>(pre-made and live processed), solo drums and
>percussion. She will be joined by dancers Deborah
>Stamos and Marija Krtolica, who will be seen shadow
>dancing and will join Bard in improvisational trios
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:52:00 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keithmar@msn.com>
Subject: Re: fractal "musik"...
>>>i say this because you readily defended him, not something many
people do except for the sake of argument, because it is widely
accepted that his music is shit and the concept is interesting.<<<
Whew!
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:51:02 -0600
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: fractal "musik"...
On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 01:39:57PM -0500, UFOrbK8@aol.com wrote:
> i, as many, do not find wuorinen's music to be aesthetically pleasing. and gauging from your comment, i'm not entirely sure you're familiar with his output. i say this because you readily defended him, not something many people do except for the sake of argument, because it is widely accepted that his music is shit and the concept is interesting.
"widely accepted" by whom? While I find much of his stuff uninvolving,
the Percussion Concerto rocks, and I find the "Mass for the
Restoration of St Luke's in the Field" beautiful. If you haven't heard
these, hunt them down. I believe they're both in print.
