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Zorn List Digest        Tuesday, March 19 2002        Volume 03 : Number 824



In this issue:
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       -- Masada in Chicago --
       RE: Sylvian Mash?
       FW: RE: Quine Tapes
       Re: ethiopiques
       Re: Re: Japanese Independent Music--book
       Re: Quine Tapes
       original non-remastered cd's, Was: Re: eno & remastering
       Re: RE: Sylvian Mash?
       Vincent Gallo
       Re: Vincent Gallo
       Re: Vincent Gallo
       Boredoms in USA
       Pretty Nifty Balkan Swing With a Twist
       Re: Sylvian Mash
       fractal music?
       Previte/Frith/Some Questions
       Das Gold Der Liebe

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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 01:11:22 -0500
From: "Pei-Yi Kim" <[e-mail]>
Subject: -- Masada in Chicago --

Hi All,

      The best I'm able to come up with is:

      Chicago Symphony Center April 19th 8pm

      John Zorn?s Masada
      Maria Schneider Orchestra

      It is unclear for the moment who is playing in which order, but my
guess is that Maria Schneider Orchestra will open. I found a couple of links
for more information:

      http://www.cso.org/sat_subcategory.taf?subcategoryid=111#4


http://metromix.com/top/1,1419,M-Metromix-Events-X!EventDetail-66856,00.html

      Incidentally I will also be in Chicago that weekend visiting my best
friend.
      Lucky me/us,
      Pei-Yi

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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:36:30 -0800
From: skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada

on 3/18/02 10:31 AM, Zachary Steiner at [e-mail] wrote:

 > There is an upcoming April Masada performance in Chicago with the Maria
 > Schneider Orchestra.  Is the orchestra opening or is Masada being
 > expanded to a large group?
 >
 > Zach
 >
We want some VERY deep and serious details on this!!!!!

skip h




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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:47:02 -0800
From: "David Egan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Sylvian Mash?

Seems like I've heard a story kind of like this, but I can't swear to it.
Bill and Keith have worked together pretty extensively in Bill's band "The
Willies" who have a CD coming out in June.  Bill attends a lot of shows
around town (I run into him once or twice a month it seems) and Keith works
in probably a dozen bands, so it's no surprise that they found each other.
This will be Sylvian's second tour with Tim and Keith - the first was
September/October 2001.

Dave

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> my best guess would be a recommendation from fellow Seattle-ite
> Bill Frisell who particpated on the last Sylvian project.  I'm
> pretty sure Frisell has a group that includes Keith Lowe.
> they certainly know each other thru Horvitz.


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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:47:41 -0800
From: "David Egan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: RE: Quine Tapes

Yes, the sound quality in The Quine Tapes truly sucks.  Haven't been able to
get through the whole thing either, but one of these evenings when I'm in
the mood, I'll get through it.

Sean, have you heard "1969 Live?"  I can't believe you could hear that and
think that Lou Reed is a hack.  Once you're past the obnoxious cover art,
that is a stunning set IMHO.  The solo in white light/white heat is one of
my all-time favorite rock guitar solos.

Dave
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i haven't heard the whole thing, but the cuts I have heard were pretty poor
sound.  not totally unlistenable, but pretty bad.  I guess it depends on how
badly you need to hear more live VU.  what I've heard of their live output
tells me they weren't really a live band, and Lou is kind of a hack on
guitar (is that too balsphemous?).  anyone with a different take on live
Velvets?

sean


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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 01:49:03 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: ethiopiques

In a message dated 3/16/02 10:59:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Has anyone been collecting this series from Buda Musique?  How are they?
 Any favorites thus far?  And is there a reasonably cheap place to buy them
 rather than Other Music?  Thanks. >>

When my local store hasn't had them, I've been picking 'em up from Dusty
Groove.  IIRC, they price 'em @ $15/each.

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=dg=

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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:58:19 +0000
From: "Bill Ashline" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: Japanese Independent Music--book

>From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>

>Nice book, but be aware that it's quite full of factual errors. So you
>might
>want to double check. Still a good place to start further explorations, and
>a great CD to boot.


That's interesting.  Could you elaborate further on some of the factual
errors, Arthur.  I'm curious as to where those are.  Thanks.

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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:04:25 -0800
From: skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Quine Tapes

 anyone with a different take on live
> Velvets?
>
> sean
>
Yes, and you'd never believe that it's me of all people.

Personally, I think their attempts at extended improvising are a joke, and
one that wears thin in nanoseconds.  Sonny Sharrock or Bill Harkleroad he
ain't.   But I take the third VU album (and, to a lesser extent, LOADED)
real seriously.  When Lou Reed puts down the artsy-fartsy pose and really
goes after songwriting by the throat, he's deadly (I'd also cite BLUE MASK,
and some each of NEW YORK, and LEGENDARY HEARTS as examples of this).

skip h
(apparently, the loyal opposition)

NP: the louvin bros, satan is real


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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:39:10 +0100
From: "Remco Takken" <[e-mail]>
Subject: original non-remastered cd's, Was: Re: eno & remastering

> P.S.  Oh, and for the last three or four months I have been
> purchasing the remasterd Miles stuff.  The sound is incredible - but
> how was the sound on the original release of the CD's?
>

> Tosh Berman
Sometimes it's a matter of choice, I feel.

On the 'old' Kind of Blue cd, there's almost no hiss, and the sound is
really warm. However, the de-noiser studio system was used so extensively,
that even Jimmy Cobb's brushes were removed from one track. I have no idea
if they were considered as 'hiss', or that this Dolby machine decided to
cancel that sound.

Any way, the 'new' cd hisses your ass of, all of the old original analog
studio tape is there, but you do hear the brushed drum sounds again...

Regards, Remco


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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:14:03 -0800
From: "john schuller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: RE: Sylvian Mash?

Keith Lowe was recommended by Bill Frisell.
Timothy Young was recommended by both Keith Lowe and Eyvind Kang.

John Schuller
www.johnschuller.da.ru

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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:17:13 -0800
From: "john schuller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Vincent Gallo

Has anyone here checked out the new Vincent Gallo record "When"? It is
creepy and pretty.

John Schuller
www.johnschuller.da.ru

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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:19:08 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Vincent Gallo

In a message dated 03.19.02 03.17.36, [e-mail] writes:

>Has anyone here checked out the new Vincent Gallo record "When"? It is
>creepy and pretty.

isn't this disc on warp?  i'm almost positive it is.  vincent gallo freaks
the shit out of me, but i've heard great things about this album.  those
buffalo boys...

k



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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:18:09 -0500
From: "Andrew" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Vincent Gallo

> Has anyone here checked out the new Vincent Gallo record "When"? It is
> creepy and pretty.

I absolutley love "when"- it's one of my favorite records from last year. It
has that perfectly muted, minimal vibe....there are a few times when Gallo's
voice suddenly reminds me of Billie Holiday on "Gloomy Sunday"- especially
on that last track...."I'm always sad." What a beautiful album.




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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:47:47 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Boredoms in USA

Hey guys.

So, the All Tomorrow's Parties thing must be over by now, right? Did anybody
go? How was Boredoms?????

Cheers

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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:49:43 +0100 (MET)
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Fruitman)
Subject: Pretty Nifty Balkan Swing With a Twist

An interesting new album arrived the other day: The Harmonia Ensemble
(piano, cello, clarinet) and the Kocani Orkestar, a brilliant
Macedonian-Gypsy outfit, combining to reinterpret the saga of Ulysses.
_Ulixes_ (Materiali Sonori - www.matson.it/ulixes) combines wild Balkan
boogie (you know the kind, where everybody seems to want to play lead at
once, backed up by rock solid bleating rhythms) very, very nicely with
touches here and there from the chamber ensemble. The HE have embarked on
some pretty ill-advised projects in the past (though I heartily recommend
their Gavin Bryars interpretations on _The North Shore_, same label), but
this is a little gem. Fans of Hasidic New Wave etc. will love it. Stephen

Stephen Fruitman
Dept of Historical Studies
Ume=E5 University
SE-901 87 Ume=E5 Sweden



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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:21:30 +0000
From: Philip Clarkson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sylvian Mash

Correct on the Frisell connection - I heard a Sylvian interview where he
said that Frisell had put him on to them. I saw the band in London last year
& for my money, I thought they were competent players, but not outstanding.
Maybe Sylvian never gave them the opportunity to bring something personal to
the music. I felt a lot of the arrangements trampled on the subtleties of
much of Sylvian's work, but then Sylvian is a notorious control-freak & must
have thought that rocking-out was the way to go. The worst culprit in the
band was the UK keyboard-player, Matt Cooper, who gave the most extravagant
performance of gurning & hair-tossing whilst playing, the likes of which I
hadn't seen since Nigel Tuffnel played a solo  on "Sex Farm".

Phil Clarkson

>
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:24:04 -0500
> From: "Sean Westergaard" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: RE: Sylvian Mash?
>
> my best guess would be a recommendation from fellow Seattle-ite Bill Frisell
> who particpated on the last Sylvian project.  I'm pretty sure Frisell has a
> group that includes Keith Lowe.  they certainly know each other thru
> Horvitz.
>
> sean
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Steve Smith
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 12:27 PM
> To: Zorn-List (E-mail)
> Subject: Sylvian Mash?
>
>
> Out of sheer curiosity, does anyone know how Zony Mash's Tim Young and Keith
> Lowe came be to be part of David Sylvian's backing band on his upcoming
> North American tour in April and May?
>
> Steve Smith
> [e-mail]


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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:13:32 +0100
From: "tp.schakenbos" <[e-mail]>
Subject: fractal music?

> i would also be willing to bet that this is why 99.99999% of all
fractal
> music sounds like complete doodie...

Fractal music!? Are there bands around trying this out? I only am aware
of the visual fractals.

Bram <--- who will introduce himself soon


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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:28:27 +0100
From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Previte/Frith/Some Questions

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HI everyone,

I'd like to add to those who recommended Bobby Previte's "The 23 =
Constellations of Joan Mir=F3". I've never really been into Previte's =
compositional style - although I never heard his Avant release, which is =
supposed to be one of his best works to date- but this tribute is a =
major achievement, IMHO. The compositions are great, the execution =
superb and the choice of instrumentation seems perfect to me. The record =
sounds soft all over, with the profusion of celeste, vibes, marimbas, =
harp, piano, keyboards, soprano sax, ... etc, and the melodic character =
of the pieces grabbed me from the very first notes. Although the general =
tone is really cohesioned, "Constellations" is styllistically varied and =
makes 55 minutes look like an eye-blink. It's hard for me to discern the =
many generes colliding, or more specifically, gracefully coexisting in =
Previte's music, which makes this record even more interesting to my =
ears. Furthermore, as a Catalan myself, this homage to the figure of =
Joan Mir=F3 makes me (humbly) proud. I'd like to encourage everyone to =
check it out.=20

I also had the chance to listen to the new Fred Frith/Maybe Monday =
release on W&W, which is a whole different story. Just one listening is =
definitely not enough to swallow this wild improv, noisy record. Frith's =
playing is really aggresive, as opposed to previous releases of his like =
the wonderful "Traffic Continues" and "Clearing". It's certainly an =
adventurous recording that surprised me in comparison with the rest of =
the W&W catalogue. If you expected melodies, stay away from it!

Also, did anyone hear the first volume of Hamid Drake/William Parker =
duets on AUM Fidelity? Any orientative info would be greatly =
appreciated.
And what about Fred Frith's "Freedom in Fragments" on Tzadik?

Thanks in advance,

Efr=E9n del Valle
n.p: Ruins "Live at Kichijoji Mandala II" (Tzadik)

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compositional style - although I never heard his Avant release, which is =

supposed to be one of his best works to date- but this tribute is a =
major=20
achievement, IMHO. The compositions are great, the execution superb and =
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all over,=20
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hard for=20
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Monday release on W&W, which is a whole different story. Just one =
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Frith's=20
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the=20
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Drake/William=20
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appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
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Tzadik?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks in advance,</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:53:08 +0100
From: "tp.schakenbos" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Das Gold Der Liebe

HI Guys and GirlS!!!
I am a gay boy from the Netherlands and 23 years old.
I have a little website under contruction at
http://www.geocities.com/vampire4karma.
I am always interested in new music and I love the works of John Zorn
much
(not everything though, but most of it nevertheless).

Here is a little list of other artists I enjoy:
Tuck and Patti, Lydia Mendoza, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, La Lupe, Current
93, Jane Siberry,
Serge Gainsbourg, Nick Drake, Patty Waters, Barry Adamson,  Miles Davis,
Diamanda Galas,
Angelo Badelamenti, Rachmaninov, Miranda Sex Garden, John Cage, Lydia
Lunch, Erasure,
The Cranes, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Screaming JH, Gavin Friday, My
Life With The
Thrill Kill Kult, Nina Hagen, Divine, Yma Sumac Oxbow, John Zorn, Tori
Amos, Christian Wolz,
Mozart, etc

Recently I have been trying to hunt down cultmovie soundtracks...
I especially enjoy good quality weird music.
Perhaps you have any suggestions for me on where to look.
I have a lot to catch up with Rock music 2!!
My favorite rock album is 'The Sporting Life' John Paul Jones/Diamanda
Galas.
I will check out The Melvins and Magma.. Fantomas...<-- I heard one
track of them...
they sound pretty cool. I also enjoy the Painkiller albums.
So I am a sissy...but honey you aint my pimp. One final question!
A while ago I have seen a film called 'Das Gold der Liebe' (The Gold of
Love)
it is a german horror movie about a girl who walks the streets of berlin
with bleeding
eyes in search for 'Gaby and Robert'. Does anyone know what band plays
the music
for this film?

Thank you!
Bram





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