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Zorn List Digest        Monday, March 18 2002        Volume 03 : Number 823



In this issue:
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       Sylvian Mash?
       RE: Sylvian Mash?
       Re: Ken Vandermark
       music catalogue program (NZC)
       Ran Blake Accepting Students
       Masada
       Re: Masada
       Re: Japanese Independent Music--book
       kids of widney high
       Re: Japanese Independent Music--book
       Quine Tapes
       RE: Quine Tapes
       kids of widney high
       Re: Japanese Independent Music--book
       Bumblefoot (no JZ content)
       Quine Tapes
       Re: kids of widney high
       Re: RE: Japanese Independent Music--book
       Re: kids of widney high
       New Music in RealAudio, Mappings for the week beginning March 19, 2002

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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:27:24 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sylvian Mash?

Out of sheer curiosity, does anyone know how Zony Mash's Tim Young and Keith
Lowe came be to be part of David Sylvian's backing band on his upcoming
North American tour in April and May?

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:24:04 -0500
From: "Sean Westergaard" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Sylvian Mash?

my best guess would be a recommendation from fellow Seattle-ite Bill Frisell
who particpated on the last Sylvian project.  I'm pretty sure Frisell has a
group that includes Keith Lowe.  they certainly know each other thru
Horvitz.

sean

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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 12:27 PM
To: Zorn-List (E-mail)
Subject: Sylvian Mash?


Out of sheer curiosity, does anyone know how Zony Mash's Tim Young and Keith
Lowe came be to be part of David Sylvian's backing band on his upcoming
North American tour in April and May?

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:09:55 -0600
From: "PHILIP  PLENCNER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ken Vandermark

Hugo Linares Wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> A friend of mine is "desperately" looking for Ken Vandermark's Funky-Do =
> when he was a member of "The Crown Royals".
>
> Any information where to get it? On-line stores or something?

You can order is straight off of Estrus Records website. It's the label that
released the CD:
http://www.estrus.com/

Phil




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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:32:40 +0000 (WET)
From: Ricardo Reis <[e-mail]>
Subject: music catalogue program (NZC)

Hi!

    I'm looking for a program o catalogue my sound artefacts (CDs,
LPs, so on...). anyone has sugestions?

            greets,

                 Ricardo Reis

                "Non Serviam"


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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:32:36 +0000
From: Scott Menhinick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ran Blake Accepting Students

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Ran Blake Is Accepting New Students
Veteran Boston-based pianist and educator Ran Blake is now accepting
private students in the areas of ear training, Jazz piano, accompaniment
for other semi-improvised music, development of personal musical style,
and instrumental improvisation.  These studies, with the obvious
exception of jazz piano, are open to musicians of all instruments and
styles and held in Blakeφs studio in Brookline, Massachusetts.

About Ran Blake
Ran Blake is currently celebrating 35 years at New England Conservatory,
where he has been Chair of the Third Stream/Contemporary Improvisation
Department since its inception in 1973.  Believing music is
traditionally taught by the wrong sense, his innovative ear and style
development process elevates listening to the same status as the written
score.  This approach compliments the stylistic synthesis of the
original Third Stream concept, while also providing an open, broad based
learning environment that promotes the development of innovation and
individuality.  Musicians of note Marty Ehrlich, Michael Moore, Matthew
Shipp, Don Byron and John Medeski have studied with Blake at NEC among
countless others.

Still a vital musician himself, this year marks Blakeφs 40th anniversary
as an active recording artist.  His most recent recording, Sonic Temples
(GM Recordings), was called one of the ten best of 2001 by both the
Chicago Tribune and allaboutjazz.com, and Down Beat reviewer James Hale
called him "so hip it hurts."

For more information, go to http://www.ranblake.com or leave a message
for Ran Blake directly at [phone].  Serious inquiries only,
please.

- --
Scott Menhinick
Improvised Communications
[phone]
[e-mail]


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<br><u>Ran Blake Is Accepting New Students</u>
<br>Veteran Boston-based pianist and educator Ran Blake is now accepting
private students in the areas of ear training, Jazz piano, accompaniment
for other semi-improvised music, development of personal musical style,
and instrumental improvisation.  These studies, with the obvious exception
of jazz piano, are open to musicians of all instruments and styles and
held in BlakeÆs studio in Brookline, Massachusetts.
<p><u>About Ran Blake</u>
<br>Ran Blake is currently celebrating 35 years at New England Conservatory,
where he has been Chair of the Third Stream/Contemporary Improvisation
Department since its inception in 1973.  Believing music is traditionally
taught by the wrong sense, his innovative ear and style development process
elevates listening to the same status as the written score.  This
approach compliments the stylistic synthesis of the original Third Stream
concept, while also providing an open, broad based learning environment
that promotes the development of innovation and individuality.  Musicians
of note Marty Ehrlich, Michael Moore, Matthew Shipp, Don Byron and John
Medeski have studied with Blake at NEC among countless others.
<p>Still a vital musician himself, this year marks BlakeÆs 40th anniversary
as an active recording artist.  His most recent recording, Sonic Temples
(GM Recordings), was called one of the ten best of 2001 by both the Chicago
Tribune and allaboutjazz.com, and Down Beat reviewer James Hale called
him "so hip it hurts."
<p>For more information, go to <a href="http://www.ranblake.com">http://www.ranblake.com</a>
or leave a message for Ran Blake directly at [phone].  Serious
inquiries only, please.
<p>--
<br>Scott Menhinick
<br>Improvised Communications
<br>[phone]
<br>[e-mail]
<br> </html>

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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:31:55 -0500
From: "Zachary Steiner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada

There is an upcoming April Masada performance in Chicago with the Maria
Schneider Orchestra.  Is the orchestra opening or is Masada being
expanded to a large group?

Zach



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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:36:30 -0800
From: skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada

on 3/18/02 10:31 AM, Zachary Steiner at [e-mail] wrote:

> There is an upcoming April Masada performance in Chicago with the Maria
> Schneider Orchestra.  Is the orchestra opening or is Masada being
> expanded to a large group?
>
> Zach
>
We want some VERY deep and serious details on this!!!!!

skip h


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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:13:25 -0700
From: Dan Given <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Japanese Independent Music--book

>
> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 04:06:44 +0000
> From: "Bill Ashline" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Japanese Independent Music--book
>
> On a similar note, did anyone pick up the DIW releases of Abe and Takayangi
> last year, Gradually and Mass Projection?  I'd be curious as to opinions of
> Smith, Waxman, Chamberlain, or the Braxton scholars.  I thought these were
> powerful recordings, not unlike the Brotzmann/Sharrock collaborations.


I have Mass Projection. I listened to it a couple of times, and it goes
beyond any Sharrock I have heard (I'm not much of a Sharrock fan, can't
stand his tone, and think that the Last Exit stuff is the least interesting
of Brotzmann's output), though I think Brotzmann could hold his own with
these guys.

Mass Projection isn't something I would be likely to pull off the shelf to
listen to at home, but I'll look for it next time I have a few hours on the
highway coming up.

Dan


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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:22:30 -0800
From: "D Dvb" <[e-mail]>
Subject: kids of widney high

Sorry to jump into this a little late but I've been out of town for a week
or so.

As for the Kids of Widney High, I've only seen them open for Mr. Bungle.  I
can't really say that I'd pay money for the cd but I did enjoy their set
more than, say...the last Built to Spill set or the last David Ware set or
the last AMM set that I saw.  I'm not sure what Efren's point was (should
there by "prerequisites" before you are making valid art?), but a lot of
people enjoyed them at that show.  I guess I have a point in here somewhere
but damn me if I can figure it out.  It's all about communication and
touching people and as long as you can do that, it's valid.  As for Patton's
motivations, he seems like a pretty enlightened guy to me and I don't know
why someone would get the impression that he's using handicapped kids for
some sort of Elephant Man gimmick.

- --davy

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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:27:57 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Japanese Independent Music--book

>I bought this recently and have been pretty impressed with the
>discographies
>of Japanese music.  Most of the text is a large dictionary of Japanese
>music, but there are a few essays at the beginning.  The accompanying CD is
>quite nice as well with music samples from Yuko Nexus 6, Haino Keiji, Hoppy
>Kamiyama, KK Null, Nakamura & Sachiko M from a live date in Bordeaux, Haco,
>the Ruins, and an excellent piece by Acid Mothers Temple.  The CD is 76
>minutes in length and the whole package is put out by Sonore in France for
>about $33 US.  Available at DMG when I ordered about two months ago.  Other
>comments?

Nice book, but be aware that it's quite full of factual errors. So you might
want to double check. Still a good place to start further explorations, and
a great CD to boot.

Cheers.

NP: Fred Frith "Clearing"
NR: "Searching For Peacer: The Road To Transcend" by Johan Galtung


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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:13:25 -0500
From: "Zachary Steiner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Quine Tapes

What is the sound quality like on the new Velvet Underground Bootleg
set?  Is it worth shelling out the money for?

Zach



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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:11:16 -0500
From: "Sean Westergaard" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Quine Tapes

i haven't heard the whole thing, but the cuts I have heard were pretty poor
sound.  not totally unlistenable, but pretty bad.  I guess it depends on how
badly you need to hear more live VU.  what I've heard of their live output
tells me they weren't really a live band, and Lou is kind of a hack on
guitar (is that too balsphemous?).  anyone with a different take on live
Velvets?

sean

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[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Zachary Steiner
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 3:13 PM
To: 'Zornlist'
Subject: Quine Tapes


What is the sound quality like on the new Velvet Underground Bootleg
set?  Is it worth shelling out the money for?

Zach



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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:22:30 -0800
From: "D Dvb" <[e-mail]>
Subject: kids of widney high

Sorry to jump into this a little late but I've been out of town for a week
or so.

As for the Kids of Widney High, I've only seen them open for Mr. Bungle.  I
can't really say that I'd pay money for the cd but I did enjoy their set
more than, say...the last Built to Spill set or the last David Ware set or
the last AMM set that I saw.  I'm not sure what Efren's point was (should
there by "prerequisites" before you are making valid art?), but a lot of
people enjoyed them at that show.  I guess I have a point in here somewhere
but damn me if I can figure it out.  It's all about communication and
touching people and as long as you can do that, it's valid.  As for Patton's
motivations, he seems like a pretty enlightened guy to me and I don't know
why someone would get the impression that he's using handicapped kids for
some sort of Elephant Man gimmick.

- --davy

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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:27:57 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Japanese Independent Music--book

>I bought this recently and have been pretty impressed with the
>discographies
>of Japanese music.  Most of the text is a large dictionary of Japanese
>music, but there are a few essays at the beginning.  The accompanying CD is
>quite nice as well with music samples from Yuko Nexus 6, Haino Keiji, Hoppy
>Kamiyama, KK Null, Nakamura & Sachiko M from a live date in Bordeaux, Haco,
>the Ruins, and an excellent piece by Acid Mothers Temple.  The CD is 76
>minutes in length and the whole package is put out by Sonore in France for
>about $33 US.  Available at DMG when I ordered about two months ago.  Other
>comments?

Nice book, but be aware that it's quite full of factual errors. So you might
want to double check. Still a good place to start further explorations, and
a great CD to boot.

Cheers.

NP: Fred Frith "Clearing"
NR: "Searching For Peacer: The Road To Transcend" by Johan Galtung


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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:45:33 +0100
From: Thierry Raguin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bumblefoot (no JZ content)

By the way, as I see that some people are interested in Mike Patton, do
you know about this band called Bumblefoot? I discovered it with their
Uncool CD (another one called Uncool was just released and is quite
similar to the one I have, but Bumblefoot is now the name of the great
guitar player Ron Thal who initiated the band). I bought the CD mainly
because of a critic I read: "Bumblefoot: when Mike Patton meets the Love
Boat"!!!! It's really good if you like "Patton's crooner singing" style ;-)

Ron Thal is really a great guitar player and he sings really well...
(and I love his cheese guitar ;-)

- - TR


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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:13:25 -0500
From: "Zachary Steiner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Quine Tapes

What is the sound quality like on the new Velvet Underground Bootleg
set?  Is it worth shelling out the money for?

Zach



- -

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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:25:12 -0500
From: "Andrew" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: kids of widney high

Are we actually having a debate as to whether or not the Kids of Widney High
album is a gimmick? OF COURSE it's a gimmick- it's a novelty cd, released
for the sole purpose of eliciting a reaction of "Huh huh huh...Retards are
funny. Huh huh huh."

It's fucking stupid, and anyone who seriously entertains the idea that
Patton/Ipecac released this as a beautiful piece of moving art is a fucking
idiot.

andrew


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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 01:07:13 +0000
From: "Bill Ashline" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: RE: Japanese Independent Music--book

- -------------------------------------
William L. Ashline
Department of English Language and Literature
Yonsei University
Seoul, Korea 120-749
http://www.yonsei.ac.kr/YSI/ysi?a=eng.academic.AcademicView&Depth=4&Code=030010002003

>From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: RE: Japanese Independent Music--book
>
>The comparison to Brotzmann and Sharrock is appropriate, but I hear these
>as
>being even more unhinged and dangerous. Abe is damn near uncontainable. The
>whole thing is so overwhelming and abrasive; I'm glad I've got 'em, but I
>can't imagine pulling them out that often.

I agree with this assessment.  These recordings are on fire.  They're
basically too much to listen to for long stretches.  I enjoy them for the
pure energy of the playing, but they're so damned aggressive, I feel like
I'm on aural overload after about 15 minutes or so.


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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:26:26 -0600
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: kids of widney high

On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 02:25:12PM -0500, Andrew wrote:

> It's fucking stupid, and anyone who seriously entertains the idea that
> Patton/Ipecac released this as a beautiful piece of moving art is a fucking
> idiot.

To many listeners this seems far from obvious. Please enlighten us with
evidence, o master.

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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:26:25 -0600
From: Herb Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject: New Music in RealAudio, Mappings for the week beginning March 19, 2002

Hi y'all,

This week on Mappings
<http://www.antennaradio.com/mappings/show.htm>, you'll hear works
for strings and pianos played in unusual ways by composers Louis
Andriessen, Gloria Coates, Ellen Fullman, Yannis Kyriakides, Alvin
Lucier, and Stephen Scott.

The show went online Tueday morning around 6:00 AM (-0600 GMT) and
will remain online at the above URL for a week. Last week's program
(featuring electro-acoustic music by composer/performers Howard
Frederics, Jonathan Harvey, If Bwana, Greg Kelley & Jason Lescalleet,
Thomas Lehn & Gerry Hemingway, Gordon Mumma, Pauline Oliveros, Mark
Trayle & Vinnie Golia, and Stephen Vitiello) is still available in
the Mappings archive (click on the link to last week's show on the
page noted above), soon you will again find play lists for the
program since it began in March 1998.

Hope you tune in to the program.

Bests,

Herb

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