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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #822
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Zorn List Digest Monday, March 18 2002 Volume 03 : Number 822
In this issue:
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Re: calculus rock
Eric Qin
ethiopiques
Japanese Independent Music--book
mike patton (low zc).
re: Mike Patton
RE: Calculus Rock
Re: mike patton (low zc).
Ben Watson's book about Derek Bailey
Teiji Ito
Re: Teiji Ito
Re: Teiji Ito
Ken Vandermark
jmt
RE: ethiopiques
Cuong Vu content
RE: Japanese Independent Music--book
RE: Aniara (nzc)
Melvins - Stag
Re: Teiji Ito
RE: Cuong Vu content
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:45:00 -0800
From: florid oratory <connah@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: calculus rock
one could argue that the nested tuplets of Zappa's most complex music is as
close as rock will get to calculus.....
G C
> From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
>> Calculus rock never really caught on. Most musicians just couldn't
>> do differentials in their heads.
>
> A drummer friend came up with the idea that what get's called Math
> Rock is actually Arithmetic Rock it's all about addition and
> subtraction of beats. Calculus Rock would be about beats that speed
> up and slow down.
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:47:35
From: "Brent Fariss" <bfariss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Eric Qin
I was going through my cd collection the other day and came across the Rough
Assemblege cd on Avant. Does anyone remember that one? The liner notes
mention a full cd of the music of Eric Qin that was in the works. Does
anyone know what has come of the project? Are the any cd's of his music
available?
thanks.
brent
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 03:58:07 +0000
From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Subject: ethiopiques
Has anyone been collecting this series from Buda Musique? How are they?
Any favorites thus far? And is there a reasonably cheap place to buy them
rather than Other Music? Thanks.
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 04:06:44 +0000
From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Subject: Japanese Independent Music--book
I bought this recently and have been pretty impressed with the discographies
of Japanese music. Most of the text is a large dictionary of Japanese
music, but there are a few essays at the beginning. The accompanying CD is
quite nice as well with music samples from Yuko Nexus 6, Haino Keiji, Hoppy
Kamiyama, KK Null, Nakamura & Sachiko M from a live date in Bordeaux, Haco,
the Ruins, and an excellent piece by Acid Mothers Temple. The CD is 76
minutes in length and the whole package is put out by Sonore in France for
about $33 US. Available at DMG when I ordered about two months ago. Other
comments?
On a similar note, did anyone pick up the DIW releases of Abe and Takayangi
last year, Gradually and Mass Projection? I'd be curious as to opinions of
Smith, Waxman, Chamberlain, or the Braxton scholars. I thought these were
powerful recordings, not unlike the Brotzmann/Sharrock collaborations.
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 02:30:41 EST
From: UFOrbK8@aol.com
Subject: mike patton (low zc).
hey alls ya'lls...
i was wondering if someone (or anyone, or everyone) would brief me on the two
solo patton releases? i am particularly interested in the just him vocal
album, being that i love abject guttural noises. i have a veritable conflict
of interest in gathering opinion, since i am obsessive about crazy vocal
technique (and mike patton, but that's another story) but am simultaneously
dismayed that there is a recent huge feature in a Magazine Which Shall Remain
Unnamed about mike patton.
lemme know the deal.
thanks!
love,
k8.
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 02:49:49 EST
From: SonataPathetique@aol.com
Subject: re: Mike Patton
Speaking of Patton's solo album of just him, I saw him do it live at Tonic in
October. It was incredible and any attempt for me to put it to words would
be a waste. It made the cd sound like a bunch of crap. However, there was a
girl videotaping the show. If anyone knows if this video can somehow be
obtained, please let me know. I would love to have this show on tape, even
if it was just the audio.
Also, one funny moment of the evening:
Pattons lying on the floor screaming, making sounds and doing what he does.
The vein in his neck that looks the Alien is popping out while I turn to the
side and see a bum from outside looking into the window of the club with a
look of "What the hell is going on in there?" on his face. Maybe you had to
be there, but I thought it was funny.
Seth
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:17:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Ronald Hiznay <letucepry@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Calculus Rock
>A drummer friend came up with the idea that what
>get's called Math
>Rock is actually Arithmetic Rock it's all about
>adition and
>subtraction of beats. Calculus Rock would be about
>beats that speed
>up and slow down.
That would be Differential Calculus Rock, relating to
the rates of change of the music, there would then
have to be another school of Integral Calculus Rock in
which the area under the notes(rather than the notes
themselves) would be most important.
mushmush
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:48:03 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Re: mike patton (low zc).
Hi,
I heard "Adult Themes for Voice" and I remember I enjoyed it quite a lot. It
was recorded during a tour (with FNM I think) mostly in hotel rooms and
probably directly to 4-track- If I recall, the sound quality was not exactly
superb. If you are interested in gutural noises, you'll find the whole gamut
here.
"Pranzo Oltranzista" is quite another thing. I was listening to it yesterday
and, well, I'm a Patton-fanatic but there are some things I can't swallow,
and Pranzo is one of them. It's mainly sound effects and pretty noisy, but
there are some great moments, like the first track, "Elettricitα
Atmospheriche Candite" and "I Rumori Rugienti", which is the sound of an
engine and John Zorn playing really soft on top. Other than that, don't
expect too much substance. A guy recommended it to me and told me it was
really influenced by Zorn's "Elegy", but I'm still looking for similarities.
Best,
EfrΘn del Valle
n.p: Bob Dylan: "Highway 61 Revisited"
> hey alls ya'lls...
>
> i was wondering if someone (or anyone, or everyone) would brief me on the
two
> solo patton releases? i am particularly interested in the just him vocal
> album, being that i love abject guttural noises. i have a veritable
conflict
> of interest in gathering opinion, since i am obsessive about crazy vocal
> technique (and mike patton, but that's another story) but am
simultaneously
> dismayed that there is a recent huge feature in a Magazine Which Shall
Remain
> Unnamed about mike patton.
>
> lemme know the deal.
>
> thanks!
>
> love,
> k8.
>
>
>
> ---
> [.n0thing.is.what.is.sAid.]
> k a t e p e t e r s o n
> c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r
>
> http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html
> http://www.icefoundation.org (roundtable)
>
> -
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:59:25 +0100
From: "Franz Fuchs" <f.fuchs@gmx.net>
Subject: Ben Watson's book about Derek Bailey
A seemingly up-to-date account of this project:
http://www.militantesthetix.co.uk/bailey/quartet.htm
<Quote>
After the book is published Ben is planning to put full transcripts of
his heated and hilarious interviews with Bailey online.
<Quote>
Sounds promising...
Regards
Franz Fuchs
JFLT*: CD1/Studio of the Anthony Braxton's "Willisau (Quartet) 1991".
Holy dissonance, isn't this great?
*Just Finished Listening To
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 00:01:32 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ricardo=20Campillo?= <houseofklang@yahoo.es>
Subject: Teiji Ito
Someone knows if Teiji Ito was made a record or if
exists a recording of his music?
I only heard his music on the films of Maya Deren, but
I want more.
Thanks in advance.
Regards for everyone.
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:16:40 -0800
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: Teiji Ito
Ricardo Campillo wrote:
> Someone knows if Teiji Ito was made a record or if
> exists a recording of his music?
The only release I'm familiar with is a CD released by =BFWhat=20
Next?/Nonsequitur in 1997, that included the scores for _Meshes_ and=20
_Very Eye of Night_, along with _Axis Mundi_, a score for a theatre=20
piece from 1982; according to the liner notes, he did a lot of work for=20
the Living Theatre, and did soundtracks for Marie Menken, Willard Maas,=20
Ed Emschwiller, "and others".
It'd certainly be nice </hint> to see some of those other recordings=20
released; if I'm reading the notes correctly, they're preserved in the=20
archives of the New York Public Library, and Guy Klucevsek seems to have=20
been involved in the logging of the original tapes.
- --=20
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com
"Unexamined assumptions and axioms can be collected the
way one might collect stamps."
-- James Elkins
np: Bardo Pond, _Vol. 3_
nr: Philip K. Dick, _The Dark Haired Girl_
- -
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:33:03 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Teiji Ito
>The only release I'm familiar with is a CD released by =BFWhat=20
>Next?/Nonsequitur in 1997, that included the scores for _Meshes_ and=20
Plus the Tzadik release of King Ubu.
LT
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:41:29 -0300
From: "Hugo Linares" <hlinares@utenet.com.ar>
Subject: Ken Vandermark
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when he was a member of "The Crown Royals".
Any information where to get it? On-line stores or something?
Thanks in advance.
Hugo Linares
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:39:49 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: jmt
Hey folks, saw a handful of JMT reissues today, just curious whether anyone
has or can point me to a schedule of which albums are being reissued and
when?
- -
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:49:23 -0500
From: "Sean Westergaard" <seawes@allmusic.com>
Subject: RE: ethiopiques
>Has anyone been collecting this series from Buda Musique? How are they?
>Any favorites thus far? And is there a reasonably cheap place to buy them
>rather than Other Music? Thanks.
I've got the first seven volumes, and I've heard thru vol. 9. not a clinker
in the bunch, although I'm at work now and couldn't really name my favorites
off hand. as for purchasing, you might try their US distributor, Allegro
Music.
http://www.allegro-music.com/
you can become a "member" for free, and get stuff at 20% off. I recently
picked up what must have been the last copy of the Raga Guide from them.
sean
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:30:28 -0500
From: "patbor" <patbor@buzzle.com>
Subject: Cuong Vu content
Hello,
which are the main differences in sound
and composition between
Cuong Vu's "come play with me"
(which I have listened to) and
his latest work "bound"?
Thanks
PatB
- -
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:00:12 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: Japanese Independent Music--book
The comparison to Brotzmann and Sharrock is appropriate, but I hear these as
being even more unhinged and dangerous. Abe is damn near uncontainable. The
whole thing is so overwhelming and abrasive; I'm glad I've got 'em, but I
can't imagine pulling them out that often.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Ashline
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 11:07 PM
On a similar note, did anyone pick up the DIW releases of Abe and Takayangi
last year, Gradually and Mass Projection? I'd be curious as to opinions of
Smith, Waxman, Chamberlain, or the Braxton scholars. I thought these were
powerful recordings, not unlike the Brotzmann/Sharrock collaborations.
- -
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:32:08 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: Aniara (nzc)
There was a CD release of Blomdahl's complete opera released by the Swedish
label Caprice many years ago (early CD era), I'm pretty sure. But it's not
listed at Amazon or any of the usual suspects I turn to for rare/deleted
classical (broinc.com, cybermusicsurplus.com, gemm.com - the latter had a
copy of your '2001' LP, though). There are a handful of other releases
featuring music by Blomdahl on other labels like Bis, but none as trippy as
'Aniara.'
Caprice has a website at http://www.caprice.rikskonserter.se/Eng/index.htm.
The search engine doesn't seem to be working this morning, but at the very
least you might be able to shoot them off an e-mail inquiring about the
availability of remaindered copies.
Don't ask me to describe it in detail, though - I haven't heard it since
college!
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Cameron Wood
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 7:02 PM
Sorry about this totally off topic post, but I'm searching for info on
something and I thought this list'd be the best place. Does anyone out there
have a recording of Karl-Birger Blomdahl's opera Aniara?
I bought an old record of the 2001 soundtrack a while ago, and the second
side of the record contains 'highlights' from this opera.
It's performed by the orchestra of the Vienna Volksoper conducted by Werner
Janssen if that helps. Can anyone provide info on where to find a decent
quality (CD) recording of this, or any more info?
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:37:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com>
Subject: Melvins - Stag
I've been trying to buy "Stag" from the Melvins but
it appears that it's unavailable everywhere I look on
the net. Suggestions?
E-mail me privately, thank you...
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:09:55 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Teiji Ito
On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:33:03 -0500 Lang Thompson wrote:
>
> >The only release I'm familiar with is a CD released by ┐What
> >Next?/Nonsequitur in 1997, that included the scores for _Meshes_ and
>
> Plus the Tzadik release of King Ubu.
Definitely not a record to overlook! The record on Nonsequitur got reissued
on O.O. Discs:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** - MESHES - MUSIC FOR THEATRE & FILM: Teiji Ito
1999 - O.O. Discs (USA), ??? (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Talking about Klucevsek/Ito, I can't remember where I heard that one of his
record would feature compositions by:
John Zorn, Pauline Oliveros, Lois V. Vierk, Teiji Ito, Johann Strauss, Guy
Klucevsek
I thought it was for BLUE WINDOW, but the compositions selected on that record
are different:
John Zorn, Pauline Oliveros, Lois V. Vierk, Guy Klucevsek
Needless to say, if somebody can shed some light on this enigma.
Patrice.
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:20:55 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: Cuong Vu content
'Bound' was actually recorded and issued before 'Come Play With Me' (and
'Pure,' the previous trio release on Knitting Factory). It's more
conventionally and tightly constructed, less ethereal and wandering, and
certainly less electronically-oriented, even though it boasts Jamie Saft's
keyboards (mostly piano and Fender Rhodes). Jim Black is the spark plug,
Stomu's the engine room, and Cuong even sings on one of the tunes in a
light, clear voice which I like very, very much - it's probably why Metheny
just hired him. Recorded sound is excellent, as usual for the OmniTone
label - much clearer than the Knit discs, which are purposefully diffuse and
sort of ambient.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of patbor
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:30 AM
which are the main differences in sound
and composition between
Cuong Vu's "come play with me"
(which I have listened to) and
his latest work "bound"?
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