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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #817
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, March 13 2002 Volume 03 : Number 817
In this issue:
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More Melvins / Thrones
Meshuggah
music resource on-line
Fwd: Meshuggah
Fwd: music resource on-line
RE: Melvins
birth & happy apple, minneapolis, thursday
Scelsi
Xu Feng
Re: More Melvins / Thrones
Re: More Melvins / Thrones
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:49:03 -0800
From: "john schuller" <superbadassmofo@hotmail.com>
Subject: More Melvins / Thrones
I have to pipe in about the Melvins some more. I think that given some of
the desciptions I have been reading here that a lot of people think of them
as just "Metal" or "Drone". This is partly true and partly not.
Lysol is a huge influence on the "Leng Tche" album, yet WAY stronger and
more effective.
The Melvins are grounded in Metal in the way you could say Zorn is grounded
in Jazz. And their music stretches out and around all over the place as
well.
I guess I just don't want some people here to disregard them as just another
"metal" band. They are way beyond that.
As far as the Thrones. Go buy "Sperm Whale" right away. Joe Preston on bass
and vocals, and a drum machine. Very creative, very sick, very heavy, very
much the way the future of music should be. You will not be disappointed.
Live - he is a force to be reckoned with.
John Schuller
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:41:25 +0100
From: "Bernie hotmail" <berniecc@hotmail.com>
Subject: Meshuggah
I would add the album "Destroy Erase Improve" by Meshuggah which is balanced
and highly intensive in good music features.
Bernie.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <francko.lamerikx@philips.com>
To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #815
>
>
>
> > well, i know Zorn likes the Melvins. a friend of mine asked him what
metal
> > he was into, and he listed The Melvins, Napalm Death, and Death.
>
> Aha, Zorn likes them, so they *must* be good, right? And the other two
metal
> bands he likes must probably also be the absolute bomb, then?
>
> The Melvins are but one (but, admittedly, a very good one), in a string of
> bands that have sport a very thick, droney sound. Others are Earth, Isis
> (now on Mike Patton's Ipecac), SunO))), and the Japanese bands Corrupted
and Boris
> (I bet you Zorn is totally into Corrupted).
>
> We've had this metal discussion before, and it must be repeated that there
are
> tons of good metal records coming out, some even ground-breaking, some
even more
> avant-garde than the self-declared avant-garde; a lot more than The Wire
would dare to
> admit.
>
> Check out:
>
> Mortician "Domain of Death"
> NY gore core, super-fast drumming, intros from all kinds of horror
movies, totally
> excellent; they will have a new album later this year with live drums
for the first
> time.
> Morbid Angel "Formulas Fatal to the Flesh"
> Stunning guitar extravaganza from Trey Azagthoth, who would be hailed
as an
> avant-garde guitar genius by The Wire if only he didn't play metal.
> Nile "Black Seeds of Vengeance"
> Probably the best death metal in recent years; super-complex songs
with hardly
> any room to breathe, everything at break-neck speed, multi-layered,
fascinating.
> They'll also have a new album out this year.
> Burnt by the Sun "Soundtrack to the Personal Revolution"
> I caught their drummer live with Melt-Banana (so there's another
tie-in for the
> Zorn afficionados) last year, and have been looking forward to this
album ever
> since; I haven't heard it yet, but it's getting rave reviews
everywhere, and
> it is said to be the best thing Relapse did since Dillinger Escape
Plan.
> Enslaved "Monumension"
> Incredible album from these black metal descendants, totally
misunderstood by
> the metal community for its reliance on Pink Floyd and King Crimson
influences,
> heavy organ tracks, complex song-structures, etc.
> Converge "Jane Doe"
> A blow in the face. A knife in the back. Fuckin' intense. Incredibly
noisy.
> For those who have always wondered how Merzbow would translate to
metal.
> Meshuggah "Chaosphere"
> My favorite metal album of all time. Incredibly complex, I've seen
tablatures
> where time signatures like 28/16, 25/16, 23/16, etc. were running
amock in
> one and the same song. This is also an album that is widely
misunderstood by
> the metal community. The much heard complaint that "all the tracks
sound the
> same" goes a long way to support the theorem that a lot of people just
don't
> have ears.
> Arcturus "The Sham Mirrors" (4/9)
> If this is going to be anything like their previous masterpiece "La
masquerade
> infernale" then we're up for something... Heavy prog-rock influences,
operatic
> vocals, E.A.Poe poems for lyrics, carnival organ parts,
drum'n'bass,...
>
> Frankco
>
>
>
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:16:57 +0000 (WET)
From: Ricardo Reis <l43384@alfa.ist.utl.pt>
Subject: music resource on-line
Hi!
The Fonoteca de Lisboa is part of the Camara Municipal de Lisboa
(the city hall here) and is a library of sound records (so to speak). one
can freely go to their installations and listen to CDs or music related
publications or... go to their site and do the same thing! just found out
they have most of their CD catalog on mp3 format for home listening
through the net. a search engine is also available. the record collection
is vast and enlarging and it is also a chance for you to listen to some
portuguese music and deciding if you like it before expending money on it
(the same goes for oher music but as portuguese seems difficult to get out
it would be a waste not to point it). url is as follows:
http://www.cm-lisboa.pt/Fonoteca/oqueee.htm
greets,
Ricardo Reis
"Non Serviam"
- -
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:44:47 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Fwd: Meshuggah
HI,
Since we're into metal, I'd also like to add one more
name that didn't came up: Today is the Day. I only
heard their first album, "Supernova" when it came out,
and it's some of the most intense, oppresive and
overwhelming music I've ever heard. I don't know what
their later works sound like, just listened to "Temple
of the Morning Star" and didn't like that sort of more
"straight-ahead" heavy metal.
Best,
EfrΘn del VAlle
n.p: John Zorn "Duras"
>
> I would add the album "Destroy Erase Improve" by
> Meshuggah which is balanced
> and highly intensive in good music features.
>
> Bernie.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <francko.lamerikx@philips.com>
> To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #815
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > well, i know Zorn likes the Melvins. a friend
> of mine asked him what
> metal
> > > he was into, and he listed The Melvins, Napalm
> Death, and Death.
> >
> > Aha, Zorn likes them, so they *must* be good,
> right? And the other two
> metal
> > bands he likes must probably also be the absolute
> bomb, then?
> >
> > The Melvins are but one (but, admittedly, a very
> good one), in a string of
> > bands that have sport a very thick, droney sound.
> Others are Earth, Isis
> > (now on Mike Patton's Ipecac), SunO))), and the
> Japanese bands Corrupted
> and Boris
> > (I bet you Zorn is totally into Corrupted).
> >
> > We've had this metal discussion before, and it
> must be repeated that there
> are
> > tons of good metal records coming out, some even
> ground-breaking, some
> even more
> > avant-garde than the self-declared avant-garde; a
> lot more than The Wire
> would dare to
> > admit.
> >
> > Check out:
> >
> > Mortician "Domain of Death"
> > NY gore core, super-fast drumming, intros from
> all kinds of horror
> movies, totally
> > excellent; they will have a new album later
> this year with live drums
> for the first
> > time.
> > Morbid Angel "Formulas Fatal to the Flesh"
> > Stunning guitar extravaganza from Trey
> Azagthoth, who would be hailed
> as an
> > avant-garde guitar genius by The Wire if only
> he didn't play metal.
> > Nile "Black Seeds of Vengeance"
> > Probably the best death metal in recent years;
> super-complex songs
> with hardly
> > any room to breathe, everything at break-neck
> speed, multi-layered,
> fascinating.
> > They'll also have a new album out this year.
> > Burnt by the Sun "Soundtrack to the Personal
> Revolution"
> > I caught their drummer live with Melt-Banana
> (so there's another
> tie-in for the
> > Zorn afficionados) last year, and have been
> looking forward to this
> album ever
> > since; I haven't heard it yet, but it's
> getting rave reviews
> everywhere, and
> > it is said to be the best thing Relapse did
> since Dillinger Escape
> Plan.
> > Enslaved "Monumension"
> > Incredible album from these black metal
> descendants, totally
> misunderstood by
> > the metal community for its reliance on Pink
> Floyd and King Crimson
> influences,
> > heavy organ tracks, complex song-structures,
> etc.
> > Converge "Jane Doe"
> > A blow in the face. A knife in the back.
> Fuckin' intense. Incredibly
> noisy.
> > For those who have always wondered how Merzbow
> would translate to
> metal.
> > Meshuggah "Chaosphere"
> > My favorite metal album of all time.
> Incredibly complex, I've seen
> tablatures
> > where time signatures like 28/16, 25/16,
> 23/16, etc. were running
> amock in
> > one and the same song. This is also an album
> that is widely
> misunderstood by
> > the metal community. The much heard complaint
> that "all the tracks
> sound the
> > same" goes a long way to support the theorem
> that a lot of people just
> don't
> > have ears.
> > Arcturus "The Sham Mirrors" (4/9)
> > If this is going to be anything like their
> previous masterpiece "La
> masquerade
> > infernale" then we're up for something...
> Heavy prog-rock influences,
> operatic
> > vocals, E.A.Poe poems for lyrics, carnival
> organ parts,
> drum'n'bass,...
> >
> > Frankco
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> >
> >
>
> -
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:52:31 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Fwd: music resource on-line
Hi,
I'd encourage everyone to check this resource. I've
done it and I'm amazed by the results!
Thanks a lot, Ricardo.
Best,
EfrΘn del Valle
>
> Hi!
>
> The Fonoteca de Lisboa is part of the Camara
> Municipal de Lisboa
> (the city hall here) and is a library of sound
> records (so to speak). one
> can freely go to their installations and listen to
> CDs or music related
> publications or... go to their site and do the same
> thing! just found out
> they have most of their CD catalog on mp3 format for
> home listening
> through the net. a search engine is also available.
> the record collection
> is vast and enlarging and it is also a chance for
> you to listen to some
> portuguese music and deciding if you like it before
> expending money on it
> (the same goes for oher music but as portuguese
> seems difficult to get out
> it would be a waste not to point it). url is as
> follows:
>
> http://www.cm-lisboa.pt/Fonoteca/oqueee.htm
>
> greets,
> Ricardo Reis
>
> "Non Serviam"
>
>
> -
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:44:42 +0000 (GMT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= <blackoperations13@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Melvins
>Funny thing about old news is that it always remains
>new news to someone somewhere.
Absolutely, but I think what I meant to say was, "I
can't be BOTHERED to repeat myself...".
>I'm not picking on you, Michael. Poking you in the
>ribs, maybe, but not picking on you.
I think I've explained myself above. Ha. Even if you
were picking on me, I'm a big boy now, and can handle
it. And the last time someone poked me in the ribs, I
punched them in the gut.
"Prick" and "Honkey" certainly aren't "noise" albums.
"Prick" is often described as an "experimental" album
(alot of people don't like it), but to me it's just
Melvins being Melvins.
Bravo to the chap who listed those Melvins titles as
recommendations, but my favourite Melvins record is
the one I'm listening to at the time. I really can't
recommend particular title for beginners. Again, for
anyone interested, just start at the start and work
your way through the discography.
Indeed, I like Thrones alot. Obviously Joe was in
Earth, Melvins, etc. My favourite Thrones release is
"Alraune" CD (Communion), and this is the first title
I recommend to anyone interested, and then
"Sperm Whale" (Kill Rock Stars).
Thrones website :
http://www.killrockstars.com/bands/thrones/
Without going completely OTT, personally, I think Joe
is one of the most interesing musicians active today,
and one that I have alot of time for.
And don't get me talking about Earth, because I like
to think of myself as an 'expert' and/or 'authority'
on them, and this'd never end...
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:35:32 +0000
From: "graham stephenson" <ktulu1776@hotmail.com>
Subject: birth & happy apple, minneapolis, thursday
two great modern jazz trios are performing in minneapolis tomorrow (thursday
3/14). just wanted to give the heads-up and the recommendation.
they are both drums/sax/electric bass groups that i suppose you could
compare to tim berne's bloodcount, medeski martin wood and squarepusher.
i've never seen Birth (birthsound.com), but they are based in cleveland and
NYC, and consist of joshua smith (ts/as), joe tomino (d), jeremy bleich (b).
Cuong Vu guests on their new cd.
i've been to dozens of happy apple (happyapplegroup.com) shows, and they
consist of david king (d) michael lewis (ts, as, ss), and eric fratzke (b).
amazing group. according to city pages, john zorn has voiced support for
these hometown favorites.
they're going to play a set each, and then a combined set under the name
Orange Car Crash 14 Times. should be awesome.
10pm, loring pasta bar (in dinkytown) 18+, cheap
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:47:09 +0000 (WET)
From: Ricardo Reis <l43384@alfa.ist.utl.pt>
Subject: Scelsi
A friend just introduced me to Giacinto Scelsi through "AION /
PFHAT / KONX-OM-PAX" from orchestre and choeur da la radio-television
polonaise.
impressive. the voices span and fill up space. the feeling is of
crushing futurism, the futurism i see in the sound that is not in "2001,
space odissey" (this is a hard concept but i'm failing on words). check it
out.
greets,
Ricardo Reis
"Non Serviam"
- -
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:37:59 -0800
From: David Slusser <slusser@pixar.com>
Subject: Xu Feng
Jonas Leddington wrote:
>As for Zorn knowing drums, I entirely agree. He recently performed Xu
>Feng at the Miller Theatre in New York as a closing tribute to the actress
>during a mini-fest of Hong Kong cinema. While I understand it was
>originally recorded as a piece for two guitars, two electronics players, and
>two drums, the Miller performance was for six drums. (Of the six, I recall
>only Susie
>Ibarra.)
>
>I have not heard the original piece, but the drum performance was
>outstanding, at the same time focused and varied, employing multifarious
>rhythms and abundant improvisation over a unity just hidden from view, as it
>were. Zorn directed various combinations of all six players, each of whom
>assumed a distinct personality. From where I sat I could see a number of
>the cards, which were surprisingly simple: "rhythmic", "fast", "slow",
>"quiet" -- and, seeing the cards, it became very clear that the drummers
>were working within distinct if broad parameters that must have been laid
>out quite carefully before hand (the source of the unity).
>
>Any comments on the recorded Xu Feng would be much appreciated.
I'm pretty sure it was originally, or at least alternatively, conceived
for six drummers. The configuration on the record is the "concerto"
version, as in concerto for two drummers, where the guitars and electronics
provide the ensemble relief. You wouldn't know it from the score, which
is Cobra based; very democratic, with no favoritism for the drums, but it
works out that way. Cobra on steroids, adding a few more complicated
strategies and detours. In the six drummer version, it resembles Cobra
even more, for the players are on equal footing. What may seem to
have been laid out quite carefully before hand (I don't think Zorn
would go for that)
is actually the result of properly performing the intricate score; playing
the game piece following its Byzantine rules. One particular operation
called fencing, more readily apparent in the concerto version, requires
a trio to simultaneously play in three different genres. Once you start
in that section, you have to stick to your genre, staying in character
as it were - perhaps what you observed in the players assuming a distinct
personality. Done well, it would seem to have been laid out beforehand;
something that can be said of the entire piece.
- -
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:16:01 -0600
From: "Samuel Haase" <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: More Melvins / Thrones
I guess I just don't want some people here to disregard them as just another
"metal" band. They are way beyond that.
And I want anyone who read that who hasn't checked out metal yet not to
assume metal bands suck or make unsophisticated music. some do, but if you
speak in terms like "just another metal band" then you haven't heard the
good metal and you are missing out imho.
-samuel
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:15:55 -0600
From: "Samuel Haase" <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: More Melvins / Thrones
I guess I just don't want some people here to disregard them as just another
"metal" band. They are way beyond that.
And I want anyone who read that who hasn't checked out metal yet not to
assume metal bands suck or make unsophisticated music. some do, but if you
speak in terms like "just another metal band" then you haven't heard the
good metal and you are missing out imho.
-samuel
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