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Zorn List Digest        Tuesday, March 12 2002        Volume 03 : Number 815



In this issue:
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       good, affordable turntable
       Re: Patton's bad taste?!
       Re: Patton's bad taste?!
       Re: Melvins / Eyvind Kang
       Re: Melvins / Eyvind Kang
       Rhys Chatham 3xCD set finally announced!
       Re: Melvins / Eyvind Kang
       Re: Melvins / Eyvind Kang
       Re: Melvins / Eyvind Kang
       Re: Melvins
       Fwd: Re: Melvins
       RE: Zorn's Rituals
       Re: A bit more cello
       An aside: Rothko (was Patton's bad taste?!)
       Re: Melvins

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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:53:52 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: good, affordable turntable

I replaced a turntable about two years ago, and did some research. I ended
up with something called a Music Hall, which needle and cartidge installed,
for about $320. It was well reviewed -- some raved that it was easily
better than anything else in its price range and some said it was as good
or better than tables two or three times the price. It is very basic.
On/off switch. No auto return when the record's over. I'm very pleased with
it, and I spin vinyl a few times a week at least (at 45 y.o., a good chunk
of my collection is pre-CD).... Originally, I believe, the table was put
together by a high-end distributor who had access to all the parts and
wondered why a better table was available for under $500. There's a place
for a name plate on it, but there is no name plate, so maybe he was
thinking of selling them to somebody who wanted to put their own name on
them, I dunno. I think he's come out with a second table too, also under
the name Music Hall.... www.musichallaudio.com ... yes, he's come out with
a second and preparing for a third. i believe i have something similar to
the 2.1....

Martin

np. silva/jordan/parker "emancipation"


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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:04:27 -0800
From: skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Patton's bad taste?!

on 3/11/02 2:37 PM, Joseph Zitt at [e-mail] wrote:

> But reflecting reality on canvas is hardly necessary, or even
> particularly relevant.

If that's what you're compelled to do, it's completely neccessary, and if
people want to view stuff like that, it's completely relevant.  Neccessity
is the province of any person who feels like they have to make a thing,
whether it's a poem, a painting, a song, whatever.  And relevant is left up
to the people who encounter these things.  It's not my job or yours to sit
here and decree what is neccessary, relevant or whatever.  Only to say what
we like or don't and why.

skip h


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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:57:25 -0600
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Patton's bad taste?!

On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 02:04:27PM -0800, skip Heller wrote:
> on 3/11/02 2:37 PM, Joseph Zitt at [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > But reflecting reality on canvas is hardly necessary, or even
> > particularly relevant.
>
> If that's what you're compelled to do, it's completely neccessary, and if
> people want to view stuff like that, it's completely relevant.  Neccessity
> is the province of any person who feels like they have to make a thing,
> whether it's a poem, a painting, a song, whatever.  And relevant is left up
> to the people who encounter these things.  It's not my job or yours to sit
> here and decree what is neccessary, relevant or whatever.  Only to say what
> we like or don't and why.

Exactly the point I'm making (when my comment is read in context).

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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:17:23 -0800
From: "john schuller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Melvins / Eyvind Kang

In my opinion the Melvins are the greatest band that has ever existed. Ever.
Period. No Question about it. The world is Miles Davis, Frank Zappa and
Melvins. The three big ones in my book.

John Schuller
www.johnschuller.da.ru

Also if anyone on the list lives in/near Seattle. Eyvind Kang is playing at
the Rainbow on NE 45th st.

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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:17:42 -0800
From: "john schuller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Melvins / Eyvind Kang

In my opinion the Melvins are the greatest band that has ever existed. Ever.
Period. No Question about it. The world is Miles Davis, Frank Zappa and
Melvins. The three big ones in my book.

John Schuller
www.johnschuller.da.ru

Also if anyone on the list lives in/near Seattle. Eyvind Kang is playing at
the Rainbow on NE 45th st. TONIGHT.

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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:24:23 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Rhys Chatham 3xCD set finally announced!

    The last issue of MAGNET has the following exciting ad:

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*** - AN ANGEL MOVES TOO FAST TO SEE: SELECTED WORKS 1971-1989: Rhys Chatham

    1/ An Angel Moves Too Fast To See
    2/ Guitar Trio
    3/ Panic On MacDougal Street
    4/ ...

    2002 - Table of the Elements (USA), TDE-CD-57 (3xCD)

  Note: not released yet.

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As far as release date, T.O.T.E. is careful and only gives: 2002.

    Rhys Chatham might be one of the most under-documented and overlooked
artists of the NY scene. With practically just a few records (the fingers of
one hand being enough to count them), mainly out of print (it would have been
too easy), this set is finally bringing him justice.

    Patrice.

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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:58:22 +0100
From: duncan youngerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Melvins / Eyvind Kang

john schuller a =E9crit :

> In my opinion the Melvins are the greatest band that has ever existed=2E E=
ver=2E
> Period=2E No Question about it=2E

NO WAY you're gonna make a statement like that without giving us (those who
don't know) SOME information about WHO the FUCK they ARE and WHAT kind of SH=
IT
they DO=2E=2E?$!*!%*+

D=2E

>
>


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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:14:52 -0800
From: "john schuller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Melvins / Eyvind Kang

The Melvins are King Buzzo, Dale Crover and a revolving cast of bass players
(Currently Kevin Rutmanis). The have existed since 1983 or 1984. Pretty much
Guitars, Bass, Drums and Vocals. Their songs are heavy, creepy, funny, ugly,
sad, smart, dumb, big, small. Their lyrics go like this -

"Los ticka toe rest. Might likea sender doe ree. Your make a doll a ray day
sender bright like a penelty.
Exi-tease my ray day member half lost a beat away. Purst in like a one way
sender war give a heart like a fay. Cuz I can ford a red eed only street a
wide a ree land. Die-mond make a mid-evil bike a sake a like a ree caste.
Cuz I can ford a red eed only street a wide a ree land. On a ree land. Find
a ree land.
You sink a my swan. Rolly a get a worst in. Maybe minus way far central poor
forty duck a pin.
Milk maid dud bean. Master a load a head. Pill pop a dope a well run general
hash pump a gonna led."

There album covers might either have a two-headed dog or a handicapped
child. They hate their audience and love their audience. They are totally
cynical and serious, totally joking and totally fucking with you. The best I
can do them justice is to recommend you seek out their music.

John Schuller



>From: duncan youngerman <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: john schuller <[e-mail]>,
>    "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: Melvins / Eyvind Kang
>Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:58:22 +0100
>
>
>john schuller a Θcrit :
>
> > In my opinion the Melvins are the greatest band that has ever existed.
>Ever.
> > Period. No Question about it.
>
>NO WAY you're gonna make a statement like that without giving us (those who
>don't know) SOME information about WHO the FUCK they ARE and WHAT kind of
>SHIT
>they DO..?$!*!%*+
>
>D.
>
> >
> >
>


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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:35:14 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Melvins / Eyvind Kang

In a message dated Mon, 11 Mar 2002  6:00:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, dunca=
n youngerman <[e-mail]> writes:

>=20
> john schuller a =E9crit :
>=20
> > In my opinion the Melvins are the greatest band that has ever existed. E=
ver.
> > Period. No Question about it.
>=20
> NO WAY you're gonna make a statement like that without giving us (those wh=
o
> don't know) SOME information about WHO the FUCK they ARE and WHAT kind of=20=
SHIT
> they DO..?$!*!%*+

They also admit to being influenced by Cardiacs, who in actually, are the gr=
eatest band that's ever existed, period.

And if you want to hear *that* band, hit their website at MP3.com and downlo=
ad their stuff.

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:04:29 +0100
From: duncan youngerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Melvins

Alright!!...
Thanx,
D.


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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:47:35 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Melvins

Hi,

I think in late March or early April a live recording
with the Melvins/Fant⌠mas Big Band will be released on
Ipecac. Great news!

Best,

EfrΘn del Valle

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:03:12
From: "Brent Fariss" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Zorn's Rituals

I attended the Rituals premiere with Steve (I'm on vacation in NY coming
from Austin), and have to agree with his views on the piece.  I found it
quite engaging.  I often feel that many of Zorn's recent "classical" works
have shown his influences more than his own ideas.  But recently he seems to
be coming into his own.  His orchestration has always been wonderful, but as
he is moving into larger ensembles his timbral palette is expanding.  I
particularly enjoyed the percussion work (Steve is right in that Zorn KNOWS
percussion), as well as the interaction of the string instruments - the use
of harmonics, the "typical" Zorn violin writing (thrilling to see performed
live), and the use of the detuned string on the contrabass (which blended
well with the percussion, creating a very unusual timbre).

It makes me curious to see what Zorn is going to do next...I hope a
recording of Rituals is released soon.  I think it would be a great addition
to his catalogue.

Brent

>From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
>To: "'Jonas Leddington'" <[e-mail]>
>CC: "Zorn-List (E-mail)" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: RE: Zorn's Rituals
>Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:34:21 -0500
>
>I found Rituals to be another pretty damned exceptional recent Zorn concert
>music piece - and in general, I find that his concert pieces are becoming
>more and more convincing and less derivative.
>
>The piece, in five movements stretching out over 30 minutes, was scored for
>soprano vocalist, violin, cello, bass, flute (doubling piccolo), clarinet
>(doubling E-flat and bass clarinets), oboe, bassoon (doubling
>contrabassoon), trombone, piano (doubling organ and harpsichord) and two
>percussionists (with massive resources to marshall, from tuned percussion
>to
>gongs, wind chimes, water gong, two wind machines, two bull roarers, bird
>calls and even more surprising elements). The Eastman students played with
>remarkable skill and poise, meeting Zorn's outrageous demands with more
>success than quite a number of "professional" performances I've heard.
>
>The essentially episodic nature of Zorn's compositional voice continues to
>come through, but I refuse to hear this as a liability - it's just who he
>is. But I must admit, I did wonder if there was an unstated "program" of
>some sort behind the piece. Given the title and the fact that at one point
>during the final movement, one of the percussionists was called upon to
>shovel dirt in a wooden box, you couldn't help but wonder who was being
>buried, and why. Anyway, it certainly made for a welcome and engaging
>theatricality. As Jonas noted, there was an element of repetition of
>certain
>elements across the movements, but I thought this added a certain unity and
>a conceptual through-line to the relatively large-scale work.
>
>I'll just add to this that as a percussionist by training, I've noted that
>many composers don't seem to have an intuitive grip on writing effectively
>for percussion: for instance, Varese and Rouse certainly do; Carter, aside
>from the solo timpani pieces, generally doesn't. I've said it before and
>I'll say it again - Zorn does, absolutely. He calls for extremely
>unorthodox
>effects - at one point, the two percussionists were both whirling ball
>bearings in metal mixing bowls of different sizes at different speeds; at
>another, one percussionist removed the canvas cover from his wind machine
>and rotated its handle while sticking a bit of 2x4 wooden plank between the
>barrel's ribs. Zorn seems to be able to realize and score virtually any
>sonority he can imagine; wedded to that imagination, the results can be
>impressive indeed.
>
>(As visiting Texan Z-lister Brent Fariss and I returned to the empty
>auditorium to retrieve something we'd left behind, I saw the two
>percussionists carrying the sandbox out. I offered them a personal round of
>applause and some witty and original observation like, "Oh-My-Gawd." One of
>them replied, "Dude, that's what WE'VE been saying all week...")
>
>This is not to sell anyone else's efforts short. In particular, the
>woodwinds, violinist and pianist were especially distinguished. From a
>nostalgic point of view, it was a pleasant surprise to hear an electronic
>organ making "that sound" we all know so well from the Elektra recordings
>like 'Big Gundown' and 'Spillane.' The soprano had little more to sing than
>raltively conservative wordless vocalises - no Shelley Hirsch glossolalia
>or
>Diamanda shrieks - but these she handled quite well. The cellist played
>well, breaking a string at one point and recovering nicely; the trombonist
>also seemed to handle Zorn's demands, and if I felt a certain shortcoming
>in
>that department, it's most likely only in comparison to the very individual
>and agressive style of the Downtown trombonists of Zorn's earlier
>recordings, like Lewis and Staley - which is a hell of a lot to expect a
>student to live up to. Only the bassist seemed curiously detatched.
>
>The audience was on the smallish side, filling less than half of the hall;
>how much this had to do with a new concert series and limited publicity and
>how much it had to do with a pairing with the frequently arid serialism of
>Charles Wuorinen is up for debate. To be honest, I enjoyed parts of the two
>Wuorinen pieces, but ultimately they weren't anything for I could work up a
>great deal of general enthusiasm, though Wuorinen has in fact written some
>damned engaging music in his day, including the wonderful Percussion
>Symphony. (Interesting to note that Tzadik is about to issue a Wuorinen
>disc, including a new remastering of his Pulitzer-winning electronic piece
>'Time's Encomium.')
>
>But the crowd was populated by a number of New York new-music concert scene
>movers and shakers (including programmers from the Miller Theatre, the
>Chamber Music Society of Lincoln Center and the Lincoln Center Festival)
>and
>fellow composers and artists (Ikue Mori, Annie Gosfield, Fred Sherry and
>Fred Ho), which made it feel a bit more like the significant event it was.
>Avant-minded senior citizens mixed with students with jeans and backpacks.
>The Times, alas, couldn't be bothered to send out a reviewer, to the
>concert
>promoter's bitter chagrin, but a newly shorn Zorn seemed quite happy with
>the performance.
>
>I don't mean to rebut anything that Jonas stated - certainly music remains
>among the more subjective artistic experiences - but alongside the string
>quartets and the violin concerto Contes des Fees, I actually thought
>Rituals
>was one of Zorn's more fully realized and engaging concert pieces, and one
>I'd be happy to hear again. There was no sign of any recording activity in
>the hall (Bruce Gallanter aside, perhaps), but I for one would welcome it.
>
>Steve Smith
>[e-mail]
>NP - Derek Bailey and Jamie Muir, "I soon learned to know this flower
>better," 'Dart Drug' (Incus)
>
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:08:59 -0500
From: Mathieu =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=E9langer?=  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: A bit more cello

Hello,

Again on the Fred Lonberg-Holm subjet, I think this project is kind
of dead, but for some more "rock"-oriented music, there is (was?) In
Zenith with FLH, Jeb Bishop on guitar, bass and trombone and Michael
Zerang on drums.

I know they have one album on Miguel called _Building A Better
Future_. Nothing groundbreaking, but nevertheless enjoyable. I am not
sure how available this is though. I only saw it once and it was when
Pillow played in Montreal over a year and a half ago...

Hope it helps,

Mathieu

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:26:47 -0500
From: Jonas Leddington <[e-mail]>
Subject: An aside: Rothko (was Patton's bad taste?!)

Joseph Zitt:

>But reflecting reality on canvas is hardly necessary, or even
>particularly relevant. What reality, in this sense, did Mark Rothko's
>work reflect?

Fascinating to sit with a book of Rothko's paintings and inspect their
progression in clear stages from his early work (primarily detailed
portraits) to his late (the stripes for which he's famous).  One could argue
that Rothko's late works are all portraits.

Cheers.


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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:40:57 -0600
From: "Samuel Haase" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Melvins

well, i know Zorn likes the Melvins.  a friend of mine asked him what metal
he was into, and he listed The Melvins, Napalm Death, and Death.
  i recomended Khanate, a band anyone who liked Leng Tche should definitely
check out.
     -samuel


    Anyone on this list like the Melvins?

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