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Zorn List Digest       Monday, February 4 2002       Volume 03 : Number 741



In this issue:
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       re: mean accordions?
       Re: Alain Bashung........post Gainsbourg
       bjork / accordians / beauty
       Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rk_=28was:_Re:_new_to_the_list=29?=
       Re: bjork / accordians / beauty
       Re: bjork / accordians / beauty
       bjork, extended vocal technique, female singers.  non-zc.
       pauline oliveros / accordions.
       Re: Bjork ranting+raving (No Zorn Content)
       RE: Bjork
       RE: Bjork ranting+raving (No Zorn Content)
       re: Bjork
       Fwd: re: Bjork
       Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Bj=F6rk_=28was:_Re:_new_to_the_list=29?=
       =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_RE:_Bj=F6rk_=28was:_Re:_new_to_the_list=29?=

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:50:43 -0600 (CST)
From: Tom Benton <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: mean accordions?

K8 was saying...

> i love accordion, and i play.  tell me more!

I'd agree with the recommendation of Eskelin's 'One Great Day' though it's
probably worth mentioning that Parkins has two discs of her own on
Knitting Factory Works.  These are with her trio - Briggan Krauss (alto
sax) and Kenny Wollesen (drums) and are deeply strange.  In a mostly good
way.  Actually I've only heard the first one.  Though I kind of doubt that
the second is straight-up Tin Pan Alley tunes or anything.

>
> also, has anyone else out there heard that song, i don't know what it is
> called or who does it...
>
> "i love her more than wicker and cork, bjork, bjork, bjork...  i love
> her so much i feel like a dork, bjork, bjork, bjork..."
>

Hey, didn't I write that song?  Maybe not.  But I probably should have,
really.  To anyone who has anything bad to say about Ms. Gudmundsdottir:
watch your back...


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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 08:52:33 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Alain Bashung........post Gainsbourg

On Sat, 02 Feb 2002 13:38:34 -0800  Skip Heller wrote:
>
>
>
> > From: Tosh <[e-mail]>
> > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:24:04 -0800
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: Alain Bashung........post Gainsbourg
> >
> >> I know his name, but I don't know his music or albums at all.  Is he
> >> pop? Is he jazz?
> >>
> >>
> Fr what I have heard, he's sort of a French roots rocker.  I have his OZEZ
> JOSEPHINE (which I believe was recorded in memphis), and it's real good.

Not to mention that Marc Ribot plays on at least two of his records:

    CLIMAX and CHATTERTON

making the discussion relevant to the list :-).

    Patrice.


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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 11:20:37 -0600
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: bjork / accordians / beauty

Hi,

Bjork - dig some of her stuff and enjoy her voice quite a bit.

Accordions - check out Guy Klucevsek (the guy is incredible) and Ted Reichman.

Speaking of Mr. Reichman, he is featured on Roberto J. Rodriguez new tzadik
disc "El Danzon de Moises" which is probably the best new disc I've heard
so far this year (Ms. Ibarra's will be heard soon, though, and I have high
hopes). An excellent group of musicians blending together latin and jewish
themes into a great mix. Marcus Rojas has some fantastic tuba solos as well.

Bruhaha - hope it starts winding down a bit and we have more civility. It's
only music we're talking about here (or books, films, etc). and esoteric
stuff at that.

Remember, all ships rise together,
Rob


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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:22:14 -0600
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rk_=28was:_Re:_new_to_the_list=29?=

Like Steve, I've been a Bjork fan ever since the Sugarcubes days, so I've
always loved her.

But, contrary to what folks may think about her musical abilities, I read=
 an
article with the Matmos guys (i *think* in grooves magazine) that Bjork d=
oes
an incredible amount of the songwriting and production herself - they men=
tioned
being extremely impressed that she WASN'T just a voice over good producti=
on
and other people's work, that she keeps herself incredibly busy writing a=
nd
arranging all her songs.

Bjork continues to amaze me - she goes in new directions with each album,
trying out new ideas and sounds and not letting it get stale. As for her =
voice,
well, I was hooked with Birthday and Motorcrash too, way back when...

m
http://craque.net

Steve Smith([e-mail])@Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 02:26:34AM -0500:
> Apparently she puts her money where her mouth is, as it were. I hear sh=
e
> regularly shows up at Zeena's local gigs now. And damn, touring with Ma=
tmos
> to boot...
>=20
> Me, I've loved her since "Birthday" and "Motorcrash."
>=20
> Steve Smith
> [e-mail]
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Rev. Freud Hair=
s
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 11:23 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: Bj=F6rk (was: Re: new to the list)
>=20
>=20
> >>>Dancer in the Dark?<<<
>=20
> I really paid little attention to her music until I saw her
> performance in that movie. After seeing the movie I vowed to see
> her next LA show. I have no problem understanding why she grates
> on some sensibilities. But, for me, she is numinous and sublime.
> All this and Zeena, too.
>=20
>=20
> -
>=20
>=20
> -

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:24:12 -0600
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: bjork / accordians / beauty

> Accordions - check out Guy Klucevsek (the guy is incredible) and Ted Reichman.

And Pauline Oliveros!!!

m
http://craque.net


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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:38:28 -0800
From: Skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: bjork / accordians / beauty

> From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:24:12 -0600
> To: "Robert A. Pleshar" <[e-mail]>
> Cc: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: bjork / accordians / beauty
>
>> Accordions - check out Guy Klucevsek (the guy is incredible)

I have a pretty thorough collection of Klucevsek, and the guy is just a
total genius -- and that's not a word I tend to use often.  "Roadrunner',
written for him by Mr Zorn, is one of the most incredible things I've ever
heard, as is his collaboration with Marclay, which I believe is called "Ping
Pong Polka".  Checking out Klucevsek is essential.

skip h


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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:37:28 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: bjork, extended vocal technique, female singers.  non-zc.

as a performer, my main field is in extended vocal technique, and while i
started out with singing stockhausen and berio and the likes, i found that
when composers were writing for me to sing, they wanted to make those
bjork-type noises.  i spent about 6 months with post and telegram, and it
definitely took at least that long to be able to make the rolls, growls, and
general gutteral noises which all of bjork's albums are laden with.  i really
love her songwriting, and i am into the sounds she makes.  however, she is
wearing thin on me as i feel i have heard all she has to offer timbrally,
etc.  not that post still isn't in my CD player right now...

i really like to compare and contrast aurally the vocal styles of such pop
singers as bjork, ani difranco, sinead o'connor, gwen stefani (whom i
loathe), k.d. lang, pj harvey and jane siberry.  all of these women, while
they each have their pitfalls which i don't think we need to hash out here,
have developed their own unique styles, but a lot of them use similar sounds
within those styles - the "breaking" sound that bjork is so fond of is also
used a lot by sinead and other celts and k.d. lang uses it when singing
country, ani while whatever ani sings ;), etc.

the big point of interest comes in comparing these singers to "real" singers
like meredith monk and the late berberian.  i'm placing my bet on the fact
that neither ani nor gwen nor pj nor k.d. own a meredith monk CD, and
probably haven't even heard of kathy berberian.  however, (and probably more
vocally-unsafely), they employ many of the same sounds and techniques in a
"cross-over" kind of setting.  bjork i would give more credit to on the
informed side of music, but i think that her vocalising is purely a natural
output, not something she has worked to create stylistically - it is part of
her culture.  american female singers are not taught to make a lot of these
noises; they are not "nice" noises for girls to make when they're singing
"nice" songs.  that so few female singers in america have appropriated them
(and canada, k.d.,) is to me a kind of subversion - an assertion of making
the less acceptable noises more acceptable to mass audiences (k.d.) or WILDLY
enjoyed by teenagers everywhere (gwen, ani for the feminazi lesbian faction
;).

tori amos was probably the first of the american crew to do this, but let's
not even go there since if i hear one more thing about ice cream and fluff
and faeries i might just puke my breakfast of herbal tea and a bagel right
onto my iBook.

love,
  k8.

n.p. - "you make it easy to stay awake", by corey dargel.  infinite repeat
for three days now, of just this one song...


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(roundtable)

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:40:22 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: pauline oliveros / accordions.

In a message dated 2/4/02 12:33:05 PM, [e-mail] writes:

>> Accordions - check out Guy Klucevsek (the guy is incredible) and Ted
>Reichman.
>
>And Pauline Oliveros!!!
>
>m

man, my mind is boggled that pauline was overlooked until now, seriously.
even i overlooked her, and i *studied* with her!  seeing the deep listening
band play with six speaker surround sound in a cafe in oberlin was one of the
more enlightening experiences i've ever had.  and can i just say what a
freaking cool woman pauline is?  i was totally intimidated by the idea of
taking a class with her and she put everyone with the same intimidation at
ease and it was a totally comfortable, beautiful chi-enhancing experience.
and stuart dempster can make some of the coolest noises i've ever heard in my
life.

love,
  k8.



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[ .n o t h i n g  i s  w h a t  i s  s a i d. ]

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http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html</A>
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(roundtable)

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:33:29 -0600
From: Matthew Ross Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bjork ranting+raving (No Zorn Content)

> Regarding the lumping together of Madonna, PJ Harvey, and Bjork - sounds
> like someone forgot they these women don't just sing {lalala} over songs
> their "teams" create.  They write, and play instruments, too.  Perhaps you
> feel singers are lesser???

I'm going to have to agree here, in part. I don't know personally how much
songwriting and production Madonna or PJ Harvey do, but they obviously do
*something* right or they wouldn't be where they are now. I have a great deal
of respect for Madonna, though I have never liked much of her music. I'm a
big fan of Polly Jean's early work (back when she probably did a great deal
more of the songwriting).

Lumping these three women together is a poor example of the first claim (that
they are just "singers" performing other people's work), but makes perfect
sense in their artistic ability and courage as women who are actually creative
spirits and respectful artists in an entertainment industry that churns out
such great women role models as Britney Spears.

And yeah, Zeena Parkins. Enough said. :)

Oh and I also heard that Bjork originally wanted to have Bogdan Raczynski do
what Matmos is doing now... THAT would have been an interesting combo!

m
http://craque.net


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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:49:09 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Bjork

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Andrew
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 10:27 PM

> I think that Bjork is vastly overrated for "herself"- she's more like
> musical tofu. Whatever else is in there with her really determines whether
> or not her music is good. In other words...like Madonna and PJ
> Harvey, she's
> only as good as the production team that's actually making the songs that
> she ends up singing over.

That's it -- I can't take this sitting down anymore. =)

I'm a big fan of both Bjork and PJ Harvey, and there's a world of difference
between Bjork and Madonna, not to mention the fact that Bjork is a goddess.
(Indeed, I see Bjork as the Good Elf Queen, and PJ Harvey as the High
Priestess of Hecate -- which reminds me, what is Diamanda Galas up to
lately?)

I suppose one can see parallels, particularly in their somewhat outsized
personas, and in Bjork's transformation from indie "grrl" to techno diva to
ProTools pixie. But as David reminded us, Bjork is a pop singer like no
other, what with her repertoire of growls, shrieks, whispers, trills, swoops
and so on, and I can't see them as calculated eccentricities either.
Furthermore, the musicians Bjork may have surrounded herself with,
particularly for her latest album, are no glossy pop hacks either.

What I like about Bjork is that she has been making some of the most
sonically adventurous (and damned good) pop music in a long while. For an
artist so ostensibly mainstream, and for a pop music climate that seems to
be stagnating more and more, this is saying a lot.

Now you may legitimately ask: what's so great about being "sonically
adventurous" if we can listen to any Tzadik release and get our thrills that
way? (See Ian Penman's review of "Kid A" (or was it "Amnesiac?") in _The
Wire_ a year or so ago for variations on that argument.) But to combine
skillful pop songwriting with what are clearly risky musical choices is a
monumental task in itself, and Bjork succeeds most beautifully.

Plus "Hyperballad" is, without a doubt, one of the greatest songs of the
last 30 years.

Later,
Ben

http://members.tripod.com/~tamad2/
ICQ/AIM: thewilyfilipino


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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:05:16 -0500
From: "Zachary Steiner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Bjork ranting+raving (No Zorn Content)

On the Tori Amos...I once saw a guy speak who went to the Peabody
Conservatory, from where Tori was expelled.  He almost exalted in this
fact.  I think he brought it up at least 3 times in his 50 minute talk.
I just think that he was bitter because he is poor with his Peabody
degree in classical guitar, but Tori is rolling in money without.

Zach


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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:14:41 -0500
From: Mark Saleski <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: Bjork

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>I don't have strong feelings about her music either way, but I must
>say I have seen her in bookshops, and she has to be one of the most
>beautiful humans on this planet.

gees...i hate to recyle words but: Note to list: IT'S NOT JUST ME!!

honestly, i've always loved the sound of her voice...from the very first
time i heard "Birthday" from that Sugarcubes album.

i can see though why people might not like here. kinda reminds me of
Radiohead. some people "get it"...some don't (including myself)

mark

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honestly, i've always loved the sound of her voice...from the very first
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i can see though why people might not like here. kinda reminds me of Radiohead.
some people "get it"...some don't (including myself)<br>
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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:16:53 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: re: Bjork

Hi,

> i can see though why people might not like here.
> kinda reminds me of
> Radiohead. some people "get it"...some don't
> (including myself)
>
> mark

WEll, I'm loving Radiohead's "OK Computer" but still
hate Bj÷rk! I don't see any similarities between them.
What I think is that Bj÷rk's voice has a strong
personality and there's no mid-point. You love her or
or you hate her.

Best,

EfrΘn del Valle

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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:23:26 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Bj=F6rk_=28was:_Re:_new_to_the_list=29?=

On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 02:26:34 -0500  "Steve Smith" wrote:
>
> Apparently she puts her money where her mouth is, as it were. I hear she
> regularly shows up at Zeena's local gigs now. And damn, touring with Matmos
> to boot...

I read somewhere that she does not live in NY anymore.

    Patrice.

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:26:12 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_RE:_Bj=F6rk_=28was:_Re:_new_to_the_list=29?=

She still has a home here, but she's living pretty much everywhere.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Anne Sofie von Otter and Elvis Costello, "No Wonder," 'For the Stars'
(Deutsche Grammophon)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Patrice L. Roussel [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:23 PM
To: [e-mail]
Cc: 'Rev. Freud Hairs'; [e-mail];
[e-mail]
Subject: Re: RE: Bj÷rk (was: Re: new to the list)



On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 02:26:34 -0500  "Steve Smith" wrote:
>
> Apparently she puts her money where her mouth is, as it were. I hear she
> regularly shows up at Zeena's local gigs now. And damn, touring with
Matmos
> to boot...

I read somewhere that she does not live in NY anymore.

    Patrice.


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