Speaking of SST and jazz-punk, Greg Ginn's trio GONE, the group that opened
for Black Flag on one of their final tours, was pretty darn jazzy,
incorporating extended jams and improvisations. Many think that Ginn
disbanded Black Flag so he could spend more time playing instrumental
jazz/punk/rock. He was certainly a big fan of Ornette Coleman. FYI: GONE
featured bassist Andrew Weiss and drummer Sim Cain, both later members of the
Rollins Band (a band that was no stranger to jazz sensibilities). Sim has
played with Zorn on a number of occasions. I think Andrew has too, but he's
more interested in hanging with Ween.
Planning a TV party tonight,
Tom
In a message dated 1/31/02 12:23:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
selvig@sonic.net writes:
> I think some too-clever-by-half eager to display their herky-jerky chops
> were called "jazz-punk" for a while, Victims Family being the
> archetype. The Minutemen and the Birthday Party sound much jazzier to my
> ears, though I think both groups were too witty to call themselves
> "jazz-punk." If my memory of a mid-80s SST catalog is accurate, I think
> there is a Minutemen videotape called "Corndogs" which includes a jam w/
> "Ornette Coleman's rhythm section," presumably Charlie Haden and Billy
> Higgins. Has anyone seen this?
>
> Chris Selvig
>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Speaking of SST and jazz-punk, Greg Ginn's trio GONE, the group that opened for Black Flag on one of their final tours, was pretty darn jazzy, incorporating extended jams and improvisations. Many think that Ginn disbanded Black Flag so he could spend more time playing instrumental jazz/punk/rock. He was certainly a big fan of Ornette Coleman. FYI: GONE featured bassist Andrew Weiss and drummer Sim Cain, both later members of the Rollins Band (a band that was no stranger to jazz sensibilities). Sim has played with Zorn on a number of occasions. I think Andrew has too, but he's more interested in hanging with Ween. <BR>
<BR>
Planning a TV party tonight,<BR>
Tom<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 1/31/02 12:23:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, selvig@sonic.net writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I think some too-clever-by-half eager to display their herky-jerky chops <BR>
were called "jazz-punk" for a while, Victims Family being the <BR>
archetype. The Minutemen and the Birthday Party sound much jazzier to my <BR>
ears, though I think both groups were too witty to call themselves <BR>
"jazz-punk." If my memory of a mid-80s SST catalog is accurate, I think <BR>
there is a Minutemen videotape called "Corndogs" which includes a jam w/ <BR>
"Ornette Coleman's rhythm section," presumably Charlie Haden and Billy <BR>
In a message dated 1/31/02 9:15:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
alankayser@hotmail.com writes:
> Having seen them perform live every time they visited Philly, I must say
> that none of their recordings ever matched the intensity that the live
> shows
> displayed. I think the first or second time they came around the band
> included Wayne, Z, Johnson, Dom Um Romao, and Chester Thompson.
I was going to jump into this discussion with one long email, but maybe I'll
do it piecemeal. The above quote is right on. I saw WR live probably a half
dozen times throughout their career, And they were always nothing less than
thoroughly impressive, though different, with each evolving lineup. Live,
especially from Ver. 2 (Alphonso Johnson) on, they were probably the closest
jazz equivalent there ever was to Pink Floyd. And that's a good thing.
Dale.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/31/02 9:15:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, alankayser@hotmail.com writes:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Having seen them perform live every time they visited Philly, I must say <BR>
that none of their recordings ever matched the intensity that the live shows <BR>
displayed. I think the first or second time they came around the band <BR>
included Wayne, Z, Johnson, Dom Um Romao, and Chester Thompson. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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I was going to jump into this discussion with one long email, but maybe I'll do it piecemeal. The above quote is right on. I saw WR live probably a half dozen times throughout their career, And they were always nothing less than thoroughly impressive, though different, with each evolving lineup. Live, especially from Ver. 2 (Alphonso Johnson) on, they were probably the closest jazz equivalent there ever was to Pink Floyd. And that's a good thing.<BR>
Amazon sells some of his other releases but not this one
A friend of mine who lives in Istanbul insists that Tacuma couldn't keep up with the Turkish musicians during that session. I would not hear of such blasphemy myself but he sticks by his story.
Best,
Jason
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:12:27 +0100
From: "Franz Fuchs" <f.fuchs@gmx.net>
Subject: RE: Zorn plays Zappa
> On Behalf Of Dmitry Stillermann
>
> > John Zorn Plays The Music of Frank Zappa
> > TZ 76669
> > (c) 2000 Tzadik.
>
> Looks like fake to me, especially since all Tzadik CD issues
> have four-digit
> numbers.
It definitely is a fake, namely from the alt.fan.frank-zappa regular
Bill. He has a webpage for the fruits of his charming dementia:
http://patriot.net/~billf/zappa/zft/zft.html
(See "From Z to Shining Z"
Regards
Franz Fuchs
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:31:28 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: weather report
In a message dated 1/31/02 2:26:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
velaires@earthlink.net writes:
<< Just wondering -- what is the list consensus on Weather Reoprt? >>
I first bought the _...Body Electric_ album (*not* a suggested starting point
for the band, I might say!) at the suggestion of one of the guys that worked
at a record shop that catered my Euro jazz/prog fix back in the early/mid
70's. I was surprised to find similarities to the freek jazz coming out of
Germany at the time, and warmed up to the group almost immediately. _Black
Market_ took a few spins to sink in at the time, but these days, it's
probably my favorite. I've still yet to pick up the 2CD _Live in Tokyo_ that
most WR fans rave about.
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:19:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: theory (was Re: spectral muzik.)
- --- thomas chatterton <chatterton23@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> And you're all still wondering whether Ornette's
> theory of harmolodics is
> bulls**t, you should spend some time in the rarified
> ivory towers of
> academia, that will really turn your eyes brown.
but the proof is
> in the puddin' whether
> it sounds good or not, I don't really give a rat's
> a** about the theory
> behind it, I don't need to understand of harmolodics
> to enjoy Ornette's
> music (or not). Talking about musical theory is
> like phone sex...
No, it's a different form of work, and it's not for
everybody. But it's good to know that your interest
in music is limited to the bottom line. I like the
history, theory, cultural studies, phenomenology, and
