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Zorn List Digest      Thursday, January 31 2002      Volume 03 : Number 728



In this issue:
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       Re: sensory tanks (NZC)
       OT Re: hip hop
       Games Pieces
       Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #726
       the academy in peril
       Mingus (For GERMAN-reading list-members only...)
       JZ on NC
       JZ on Masada/Kristallnacht/Tzadik/what-to-expect
       Zorn plays Zappa

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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 05:49:47 -0500
From: Alan Lankin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: sensory tanks (NZC)

There was an episode of the Simpsons where Homer and Lisa spent some
time in a pair of sensory tanks.  While Lisa had some interesting
dreams, Homer's tank ended up going on a journey.  If I remember
correctly, it went through a sewer, into the ocean where it washed up on
the beach and at some point was buried.  It eventually made it's way
back where it started with Homer never knowing that it had left.  Ouch...

Alan Lankin

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Date:
From: [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: OT Re: hip hop

* "Andrew" <[e-mail]>:
>Other stuff.....the Anticon label/collective is great. A bunch of white
>guys from the midwest making post-punk influenced hip hop out of their
>bedrooms.  Clouddead, Sole, Slug, Deep Puddle Dynamics, Gel, Reaching
>Quiet, Dose One......it's a big, incestuous crew, and most of it's
>really interesting.

Anticon is actually based (or at least was started) in the Bay Area,
if I'm not mistaken, although the people they include as members hail
from all over (Dose, Jel, Why?, and Odd Nosdam are some of the central/
founding figures).  They've even got folks like Buck65 & Sixtoo from good
ol' Nova Scotia in with 'em now.  Slug belongs more with the Rhymesayers
folks (Atmosphere, specifically), out of Minneapolis, but this group
gets lumped in with Anticon a lot.  Deep Puddle & the Shape Shifters
are also more closely allied with Rhymesayers, are they not?  Anyway,
not trying to provide an opposing opinion on purpose, but I find much
of this stuff (as I said in a prior message) uninteresting, and way
overrated.  Some Slug/Atmosphere stuff is OK.  Sole is hit or miss
for me.  cDEAD, maybe the Them LP, the Dose One/Boom Bip, Mr. Dibbs,
and a decent amount of Buck65 is all I take away.  When it comes
to El-P (Def Jux & friends) vs. Sole (Anticon & friends), as it did
(in battle form) a couple years ago, I'll take El-P and the NY scene,
_and_ the Quannum/Stones Throw/Project Blowed west coast stuff over
anything Anticon related.

Just my .02 ...


- -Patrick



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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:12:53 +0000
From: Richard Gardner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Games Pieces

A short while ago there was another discussion on the nature of the games
pieces. While using Google to trawl through some of the Usergroups  I came
upon an article by a guy reporting what it was like to rehearse and perform
in a games piece under the direction of John Zorn.

The article is not a complete explanation of how a games piece works but it
is a first hand account of  one guy's experience albeit a long time ago.

The details are:
Joe Hellerstein  posted by John Eichenseer on 1990-10-25  to
rec.music.synth, rec.music.bluenote

Now at 1,500 words I feel Mr Rizzi would go ape if I posted here but if
anybody is interested mail me privately and I will forward a copy.


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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:21:14 +0000
From: Richard Gardner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #726

on 31/1/02 7:31 AM, Zorn List Digest at
[e-mail] wrote:

> Just wondering -- what is the list consensus on Weather Reoprt?

For me Live In Tokyo is the one. This is an early version of the band
tearing it up in 1972. Close to (dare I use the phrase?) free jazz at times.

But then I have always been a sucker for a Fender Rhodes through a
distortion pedal and ring modulator (see Chick Corea on the recent Live
Miles).


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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:31:11 +0000
From: Rob Young <[e-mail]>
Subject: the academy in peril

>  I am not asking for anything terribly fancy
>or, um, academic [though I don't break out in rash
>when academic drivel hits me, like other listslaves
>seem to do], just what a magazine like _The Wire_ does
>in every issue (or are they academic wankers,
>too?!).>>

Academic break us out in rash.
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:57:17 +0100
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mingus (For GERMAN-reading list-members only...)

Hi boys & girls.

The latest issue of "du" magazine from switzerland (www.dumag.ch), a
publication that has a great reputation, is dedicated to Charles Mingus.
Unfortunately, it is only available in German.

Thought some of you might be interested.

They also released an inexpensive 6 CD Box Set of some of Mingus'
albums; don't know whether they'll ship internationally.

patRice

np: Iron Maiden, Somewhere in Time
nr: Skin & Ink mag


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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:53:29 +0100
From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: JZ on NC

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HI,

Some words from Zorn on the Naked City period and his dismissal from =
Elektra/Nonesuch. I had never realized about that "Lonely Woman" =
anecdote!:

 JZ: Naked City was a band that I could go on the road with, where I =
could do everything that I hadn=92t done. The first concerts were at the =
old Knitting Factory, on ....??....... St. and we were standing outside =
waiting to start rehearsing. I talked about doing a cover of some Ornete =
Coleman=92s stuff and Fred Frith said =93Oh, yeah, what about that tune, =
Pretty Woman? I can make that slip at the top!=94 And I said: Oh, yeah, =
of course. We=92re gonna do that at the same time as Lonely Woman! Just =
kind of as a joke!.
 JZ: What a beautiful cover. I can=92t imagine they had a problem with a =
dissected head sitting on a soup plate! (laughs) But they did, in =
addition to everything else that=92s going on in this record. But Bob =
Horwitz- bless his heart-, who was the executive producer of Nonesuch =
was very uncomfortable with the place that I was going. A lot of people =
were uncomfortable with the place that I was going. But I have to follow =
my vision, wherever it goes. And if it goes to some dark places, so be =
it.

 JZ: I remember they called me in to Chris Donald=92s office. He was the =
president- he was the guy who discovered Captain Beefheart. They called =
me in to his office, and he sat me down and said: =93Zorn, what do you =
wanna do with your career? What are you trying to do?=94 I said: =93Fuck =
my career! I=92m trying to make some music! And I=92ve gotta do what =
I=92ve gotta do.=94 And within three minutes I was in the elevator going =
down. (laughs) What happened? I don=92t  know how it happened but I was =
out of there! This guy didn=92t even know what I was talking about. =
(...) They want someone who=92s gonna be a poster-boy for postmodernism =
and I wasn=92t gonna play that game.=20

Best,

Efr=E9n del Valle




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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>HI,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Some words from Zorn on the Naked City period and =
his=20
dismissal from Elektra/Nonesuch. I had never realized about that "Lonely =
Woman"=20
anecdote!:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> <SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"mso-ansi-language: =
EN-US">JZ:=20
Naked City was a band that I could go on the road with, where I could do =

everything that I hadn=92t done. The first concerts were at the old =
Knitting=20
Factory, on ....??....... St. and we were standing outside waiting to =
start=20
rehearsing. I talked about doing a cover of some Ornete Coleman=92s =
stuff and Fred=20
Frith said =93Oh, yeah, what about that tune, Pretty Woman? I can make =
that slip=20
at the top!=94 And I said: Oh, yeah, of course. We=92re gonna do that at =
the same=20
time as Lonely Woman! Just kind of as a joke!.<?xml:namespace prefix =3D =
o ns =3D=20
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20
style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3DEN-US=20
style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-US">JZ: What a beautiful cover. I can=92t =
imagine=20
they had a problem with a dissected head sitting on a soup plate! =
(laughs) But=20
they did, in addition to everything else that=92s going on in this =
record. But Bob=20
Horwitz- bless his heart-, who was the executive producer of Nonesuch =
was very=20
uncomfortable with the place that I was going. A lot of people were=20
uncomfortable with the place that I was going. But I have to follow my =
vision,=20
wherever it goes. And if it goes to some dark places, so be=20
it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20
style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3DEN-US=20
style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-US">JZ: I remember they called me in to =
Chris=20
Donald=92s office. He was the president- he was the guy who discovered =
Captain=20
Beefheart. They called me in to his office, and he sat me down and said: =
=93Zorn,=20
what do you wanna do with your career? What are you trying to do?=94 I =
said: =93Fuck=20
my career! I=92m trying to make some music! And I=92ve gotta do what =
I=92ve gotta do.=94=20
And within three minutes I was in the elevator going down. (laughs) What =

happened? I don=92t<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>know =
how it=20
happened but I was out of there! This guy didn=92t even know what I was =
talking=20
about. (...) They want someone who=92s gonna be a poster-boy for =
postmodernism and=20
I wasn=92t gonna play that game. </SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Best,</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Efr=E9n del Valle</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal> </P></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:29:25 +0100
From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: JZ on Masada/Kristallnacht/Tzadik/what-to-expect

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Some more...

JZ: Every Jewish=92s gotta come to grips with the Holocaust in some kind =
of way. And that (Kristallnacht) was my statement, that=92s how I did =
it. I don=92t need to do it again. I did it and it meant a lot to me. It =
was like a whole lifetime of denying my Jewish heritage coming out in =
one piece.

 JZ: (On the Munich Jewish Festival) I decided to do a night of new =
Jewish music, radical Jewish music. Something different, something that =
wasn=92t just klezmer but was Jewish for other reasons, maybe ineffable =
reasons, maybe questionable reasons. It was something I wanted to =
explore.

 - JZ: (On Masada) These tunes, for me, belong to the Jewish tradition. =
They can be done by any kind of group. They could be done by a hardcore =
band. It=92s only related to jazz because it=92s got  this kind of a =
jazz line and we=92re kind of using jazz language in our interpretation =
of the tunes. But these are tunes that could be played at Jewish =
weddings!

- - BERESFORD: Well, you could try!

 JZ: The last thing I wanted to do is start a record company. But =
practically, I think the only way an artist can survive in this society =
and retain 100% credibility, integrity and self-respect is =
do-it-yourself (...) So I started Tzadik records. (...) It couldn=92t be =
more different than a major corporation. It=92s incredibly =
artist-friendly and it=92s based on profit share. All the expenses that =
go into making the record are paid up first and then we split the =
profits. Everybody gets the same budget. Every record on Tzadik is made =
for 5,000 dollars. And this is esoteric music, it=92s not gonna sell a =
lot of copies. But nevertheless, we have records that have sold 35,000 =
copies on our label. And others that have only sold less than a =
thousand. But the balances are in a good place.=20

JZ: I don't really have those wild dreams that I wanna do this or I =
wanna do that. I'm very pragmatic, I work with the people that are =
available to me. I will continue to do improv concerts, I will continue =
to make music with the Masada band, I will make file-card pieces. =
Everything kind of continues down currently, and each piece's done, =
completed and move on to another one instead of regurgitating the same =
thing over and over in different contexts, which seems what most people =
are comfortable with.

=20

Best,

Efr=E9n del Valle


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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"mso-ansi-language: =
EN-US">Some=20
more...</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"mso-ansi-language: =
EN-US">JZ: Every=20
Jewish=92s gotta come to grips with the Holocaust in some kind of way. =
And that=20
(Kristallnacht) was my statement, that=92s how I did it. I don=92t need =
to do it=20
again. I did it and it meant a lot to me. It was like a whole lifetime =
of=20
denying my Jewish heritage coming out in one piece.<?xml:namespace =
prefix =3D o ns=20
=3D "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20
style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3DEN-US=20
style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-US">JZ: (On the Munich Jewish Festival) I =
decided=20
to do a night of new Jewish music, radical Jewish music. Something =
different,=20
something that wasn=92t just klezmer but was Jewish for other reasons, =
maybe=20
ineffable reasons, maybe questionable reasons. It was something I wanted =
to=20
explore.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20
style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3DEN-US=20
style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-US">- JZ: (On Masada) These tunes, for =
me, belong=20
to the Jewish tradition. They can be done by any kind of group. They =
could be=20
done by a hardcore band. It=92s only related to jazz because it=92s =
got<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>this kind of a jazz line and =
we=92re kind=20
of using jazz language in our interpretation of the tunes. But these are =
tunes=20
that could be played at Jewish weddings!</SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20
style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-US"></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"mso-ansi-language: =
EN-US">-=20
BERESFORD: Well, you could try!</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"mso-ansi-language: =
EN-US"> <SPAN=20
lang=3DEN-US style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-US">JZ: The last thing I =
wanted to do is=20
start a record company. But practically, I think the only way an artist =
can=20
survive in this society and retain 100% credibility, integrity and =
self-respect=20
is do-it-yourself (...) So I started Tzadik records. (...) It couldn=92t =
be more=20
different than a major corporation. It=92s incredibly artist-friendly =
and it=92s=20
based on profit share. All the expenses that go into making the record =
are paid=20
up first and then we split the profits. Everybody gets the same budget. =
Every=20
record on Tzadik is made for 5,000 dollars. And this is esoteric music, =
it=92s not=20
gonna sell a lot of copies. But nevertheless, we have records that have =
sold=20
35,000 copies on our label. And others that have only sold less than a =
thousand.=20
But the balances are in a good place. </SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"mso-ansi-language: =
EN-US">JZ: I don't=20
really have those wild dreams that I wanna do this or I wanna do that. =
I'm very=20
pragmatic, I work with the people that are available to me. I will =
continue to=20
do improv concerts, I will continue to make music with the Masada band, =
I will=20
make file-card pieces. Everything kind of continues down currently, and =
each=20
piece's done, completed and move on to another one instead of =
regurgitating the=20
same thing over and over in different contexts, which seems what most =
people are=20
comfortable with.</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20
style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Best,</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Efr=E9n del Valle</P></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:42:54 +0000
From: Richard Gardner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn plays Zappa

I don't think this has come up before.

Does anyone on the List know anything about this?

Any thoughts Patrice?

John Zorn Plays The Music of Frank Zappa

Prelude to King Kong (Masada)             4:15
John Zorn Whips It Out (Zorn)             2:12
King Kong (Masada)                    12:41
Willie The Pimp (Naked City)             9:53
T'mershi Duween (Masada)                 1:22
The Black Page (Baron)                 0:21
It Must Be A Camel (Masada String Trio)     3:22
Duodenum (Masada)                     1:27
The Black Page (Baron)                 0:17
Who Are The Brain Police? (Painkiller)     5:00
Orange County Lumber Truck (Masada)         8:59
The Black Page (Baron/Zorn)             0:08
We Are Not Alone (Naked City)             1:25
A Small Eternity With Yoko Ono (Ono/Zorn)     0:34
Amnerika (Zorn/Douglas/Masada String Trio)     2:31
Pound For A Brown (Masada)                 4:51
13 (Frisell/Frith/Harris)                 3:01
I Promise Not To Come In Your Mouth
(Frith/Horvitz)                         3:49                 -----
                                62:08

Produced By John Zorn.

All songs written by Frank Zappa (tm), except
"A Small Eternity With Yoko Ono" by Yoko Ono/Frank Zappa
and "John Zorn Whips It Out" by John Zorn.
Zappa songs (c) Zappa Family Trust D.B.A.
Frank Zappa Music (BMI) and Munchkin Music (ASCAP).

All arrangements by John Zorn, except
"Amnerika", arr. by John Zorn and Dave Douglas,
"Who Are The Brain Police?" and "13", arr. by Fred Frith,
"I Promise Not To Come In Your Mouth",
arr. by Fred Frith, Wayne Horvitz, and
aborted attempts at "The Black Page",
arr. by Joey Baron.

Yoko Ono appears courtesy of Rykodisc (tm).

TZ 76669

(c) 2000 Tzadik.


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