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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #659
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Zorn List Digest Friday, December 21 2001 Volume 03 : Number 659
In this issue:
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Re: Hava Narghile/Plastic People
Top Ten 2001
flanger
Re: Cinematic Orchestra (was: Tricky)
Re: Plastic People
Re: Top Ten 2001
Re: Top Ten 2001
Re: Plastic People
Re: Plastic People
Re: Cinematic Orchestra (was: Tricky)
Re: Top Ten 2001
cragale
Re: cragale
Re: top 10
Re: top 10
Re: cragale
RE: Ethiopiques 11 / Top Ten 2001
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:00:01 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: Re: Hava Narghile/Plastic People
Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:17:53 -0500
>From: "Sean Westergaard" <seawes@allmusic.com>
>Subject: RE: Hava Narghile
>
>Erkin Koray is the king. If you can find his late 60's/early 70's stuff,=
=20
>everything I've tracked down has been great, especially Elektronic=20
>Turkuler AMAZING! 3 Hurel (U=E7 H=FCrel) is quite good also, with a bit=
more=20
>emphasis on rocking up tradional Turkish material. The Mogollar=20
>recordings I've heard are also pretty good, but Erkin is the man. there's=
=20
>a full list of tunes & performers at www.allmusic.com the album is=20
>actually called "Hava Narghile"; I've been told Narghile is "Water Pipe"
Yep, it's a Water pipe or 'hookah,' if you will. Koray is indeed=20
king. You can also find him and others from that '60's scene on "Turkish=20
Delights" which came out this year on Grey Past Records (Netherlands).
For modern Turkish music, also looks out for Replikas and BabaZula. Forced=
=20
Exposure and Father Yod had carried some BabaZula material and may=20
still. Replikas will be coming out with a new record in 2002.
Someone else ask about the Plastic People (Czech Republic) and their=20
(in)famous debut "Egon Bondy." Their record company, Globus, should be=20
reissuing this next year.
Best,
Jason
Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
perfect-sound@furious.com
http://www.furious.com/perfect
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:01:11 -0800
From: "Revue des Fossiles" <revuedesfossiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: Top Ten 2001
1) Otomo Yoshihide - Anode CD (Tzadik)
2) Greg Kelley / Jason Lescaleet - Forlorn Green CD (Erstwhile)
3) Kaoru Abe - Passe Temps # 1-13 CDR Set (Passe-Temps Disk)
4) Serge Gainsbourg - Serge Gainsbourg Forever 18 CD Box Set
(Mercury/France)
5) Fushitsusha - Origin's Hesitation CD (PSF)
6) John Zorn - Songs From The Hermetic Theatre CD (Tzadik)
7) Parson Sound - 2CD (Ti'lliden/Subliminal)
8) Cragale Muon 2nd 101 CDR Set (Cragale)
9) Seigen Ono - Saidero Paradiso 20 CD Set (Saidero Paradiso)
10) Vas Deferens Organization - Suspension LP (Beta-Lactam-Ring)
- - rdf.
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:10:21 -0500
From: "Andrew" <ahorton@vt.edu>
Subject: flanger
> Very, very mediocre. Sounds like someone assumes movie music to sound like
> without any care at all to those weird quirks that tie the music in movies
> to the action. Save yr money and buy the new Flanger instead...lots of
> bumpin, Hancock-filtered through a slightly electronic aesthetic- like
> hazelnut coffee, as opposed to the unaltered variety. You may be a
> connisseur of the subtleties of different regional coffees, but sometimes
> it's nice to give yr tastebuds a little something outside the norm.
I second that- the new Flanger album is TIGHT. The bonobo, however, is a
little boring.
- -
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:05:02 -0500
From: "Andrew" <ahorton@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Cinematic Orchestra (was: Tricky)
> Has anyone heard their remix album? MOTION is totally excellent, and I
would
> like to know what the remix album is like.
I love the Cinematic Orchestra. The remix album is ok- essentially, Ninja
Tune artists take CO tracks and make them sound like typical Ninja Tune
tracks- but still nice if you like that sort of thing (I do).
andrew
- -
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:57:48 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Plastic People
>ppu is in the middle of a massive archival reissue program, 'egon' proper
>having yet to be re-released. that being said, more than a few notable
"Egon" actually was reissued on CD a few years back. I have a copy.
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Documentary Sound
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm
Full Alert Film Review
http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:04:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Top Ten 2001
- --- Revue des Fossiles <revuedesfossiles@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> 3) Kaoru Abe - Passe Temps # 1-13 CDR Set
> (Passe-Temps Disk)
Whoa...what is this? This isn't a legit/boot reish of
the DIW solo material, is it? Finally, how to
procure? asked the junkie.
> 7) Parson Sound - 2CD (Ti'lliden/Subliminal)
Bardo Pond are chumps. This is the dopest stoner
sludge I had the pleasure to stumble on this year:
truly awesome, shambling destructo-drone pleasure.
Too much. I was just eyeing the other Swedish
reissues on Subliminal and Silence; are these as good?
Same vein?
Finally, and unrelated, anyone heard ETHIOPIQUES vol.
11, HARP OF DAVID, by the lyrist Alemu Aga? I keep
hearing it recommended in terms of its "psychedelic"
qualities (one reviewer made a glib comparison to
Paerson Sound, but hey...) , but it looks interesting
enough without drug likening.
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 23:14:12 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Top Ten 2001
In a message dated 12/20/01 10:02:59 PM, revuedesfossiles@hotmail.com writes:
<< 8) Cragale Muon 2nd 101 CDR Set (Cragale) >>
I feel compelled to ask whether this means that Cragale Muon has released 2
different sets of 101 discs each. and as long as I'm inquiring, who's Cragale
Muon?
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:16:07 -0800
From: "Revue des Fossiles" <revuedesfossiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Plastic People
>"Egon" actually was reissued on CD a few years back. I have a copy.
yeah, i remember picking this up through wayside distribution around 1996 -
though i can't remember if it is on globus or not. afaik, that edition is
out of print. the planned reissue is supposed to have some extra tracks or
something?
- - rdf.
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 23:09:59 -0600
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Plastic People
On Thu, Dec 20, 2001 at 08:16:07PM -0800, Revue des Fossiles wrote:
> >"Egon" actually was reissued on CD a few years back. I have a copy.
>
> yeah, i remember picking this up through wayside distribution around 1996 -
> though i can't remember if it is on globus or not. afaik, that edition is
> out of print. the planned reissue is supposed to have some extra tracks or
> something?
FWIW, the CD I have of "Passion Play" is on Globus. What a great
record...
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 23:44:49 -0800
From: the muff <andreit@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Cinematic Orchestra (was: Tricky)
FYI, the new album's coming out on Jan 14th
the muff
Andrew wrote:
> > Has anyone heard their remix album? MOTION is totally excellent, and I
> would
> > like to know what the remix album is like.
>
> I love the Cinematic Orchestra. The remix album is ok- essentially, Ninja
> Tune artists take CO tracks and make them sound like typical Ninja Tune
> tracks- but still nice if you like that sort of thing (I do).
>
> andrew
>
> -
- -
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:36:15 -0800
From: "Revue des Fossiles" <revuedesfossiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Top Ten 2001
> > 3) Kaoru Abe - Passe Temps # 1-13 CDR Set
> > (Passe-Temps Disk)
>
>Whoa...what is this? This isn't a legit/boot reish of
>the DIW solo material, is it? Finally, how to
>procure? asked the junkie.
live performances of kaoru abe from 1974-77 at the passe-temps jazz kissa.
abe performs mostly solo on synthesizer, electric and acoustic guitar,
percussion, piano, and saxophones. passe temps claims rights to these
recordings; though they ran into some trouble with the estate of yoshizawa
and had to pull the disc featuring the stellar duet between moto and kaoru.
there are also three videos available of different performances featuring
abe, but i wouldn't recommend them due to the poor picture quality and steep
price. more information here:
http://www08.u-page.so-net.ne.jp/pj8/passetem/PASS.html
fwiw, in the resonance article that otomo wrote about japanese free jazz
he's referring the above shows and recordings of k. abe.
> > 7) Parson Sound - 2CD (Ti'lliden/Subliminal)
>
>Bardo Pond are chumps. This is the dopest stoner
>sludge I had the pleasure to stumble on this year:
>truly awesome, shambling destructo-drone pleasure.
>Too much. I was just eyeing the other Swedish
>reissues on Subliminal and Silence; are these as good?
>Same vein?
certainly so in the case of trad, gras & stenar, algarnas tradgard,
international harvester, and harvester. check out folke rabe/bo-anders
persson split on wergo if you can find it. ake hodell and rune lindblad are
also definitely worth your time. a great rune linblad exhibition CD and 12"
have also just recently been released on firework records featuring tracks
by jean-louis huhta, brommage dub, leif elggren, edvard grahm lewis, kent
tankred, bj nilsen, cm von hausswolff, annika hausswolff and magnus haglund
with new material from rune lindblad.
the samla mammas manna releases are fun stuff, but not at all in the above
vein.
more information here:
http://w1.864.telia.com/~u86409607/bands.htm
>Finally, and unrelated, anyone heard ETHIOPIQUES vol.
>11, HARP OF DAVID, by the lyrist Alemu Aga? I keep
>hearing it recommended in terms of its "psychedelic"
>qualities (one reviewer made a glib comparison to
>Paerson Sound, but hey...) , but it looks interesting
>enough without drug likening.
nope, but the series as a whole so far has been an utter blast.
- - rdf.
np. cosey fanni tutti - time to tell
nr. cosey fanni tutti - time to tell
hm - this is a side of throbbing gristle i wasn't familar with.
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:38:32 -0800
From: "Revue des Fossiles" <revuedesfossiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: cragale
>I feel compelled to ask whether this means that Cragale Muon has released 2
>different sets of 101 discs each. and as long as I'm inquiring, who's
>Cragale
>Muon?
cragale is a label and store in yokohama that is dedicated to documenting
the underground scene of improvisation, new-wave, no-wave, and psychedelia
that happened in japan around the same time that haino and co. first popped
up over at club minor in tokyo. that time period being the late 70's - early
80s. the second muon series is a 101 (so far) cd-r set of stunning releases
on this label which live and studio perormances from tamio shiraishi, luna
park ensemble, inryo fuen, akebo noise, a-musik, bunretu, the electric vedda
ensemble, mizumashi, asahito nanjo (performing as red), lewisite, the ptas,
kurana roza, and more than a few other groups and artists whom i'm probably
forgetting. before anyone asks, no john zorn isn't on any of these discs.
here's a link to their list of cd-rs for sale with mp3 samples -
http://muon2.hoops.livedoor.com/shop.htm
play around with the name cragale+muon in any search engine and you'll find
lots of other pages dedicated to discussions about this material. also
check out.
http://www.nowhere-records.com/
as they have some of the actual cragale singles, flexis, and vinyl for sale.
- - rdf.
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:50:55 -0500
From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet)
Subject: Re: cragale
At 22:38 20/12/01 -0800, Revue des Fossiles wrote:
>cragale is a label and store in yokohama that is dedicated to documenting
>the underground scene of improvisation, new-wave, no-wave, and psychedelia
>that happened in japan around the same time that haino and co. first
>popped up over at club minor in tokyo. that time period being the late
>70's - early 80s. the second muon series is a 101 (so far) cd-r set of
>stunning releases on this label
You beat me to replying, as I was rummaging through the "Japanese
Independent Music" book for some info on cragale records - which I have to
credit my fantastic girlfriend for getting me as an early christmas
gift!... - at the same time as I was listening to their samples (which
unfortunately are way too short, though in some cases a few seconds is all
I feel I need to hear...), and, not unlike a champollion, trying to solve
other mysteries, as for instance the dates of the recordings (which are all
between 1980 and 1990). So these are archival recordings...
Not that the www.nowhere-records.com site is easy to navigate either. They
don't seem very big on translating things for gaigin...
So I have nothing to add to your description. The only name on cragale that
I have and you didn't mention is Yoshida Daisuke. Shiraishi Tamio is said
to be living in NY now: "sound research is even more extreme than Zorn's in
the high-pitched zones" [whatever], "and is sometimes mixed with vocals
which call to mind frenetic bird songs". I have yet to hear. But, simple
curiosity, are the 101 titles available separately? - and, I might add, if
so, how do you know what is what?
Thank you!
Benjamin
- -
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:50:04 +0100
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <fmartinelli@tin.it>
Subject: Re: top 10
> It's 22 tracks, with Erkin Koray being on a few, but mostly different
bands
> -- Yabancular, Mogollar, Yabancular, Baris Manco, and Apaslar among them.
In fact during my record canvassing trip in Turkey I see many high priced
Manco and Mogollar Lps.
> Also, the instruments themselves -- espec the older Middle
> Eastern eletric keyboards -- make Joe Meek sound like Jimmy Jam & Terry
> Lewis.
I do not know the latest mentioned gentlemen, but I thought that Eastern
keyboards (I presume keyboards that would allow players to use what we call
"microtones" but are normal notes in the Turkish system of 54 notes every
two octaves) are a recent addition. Of course Turkish musicians would use to
that effect the coninuous pitch variation present on vary synthesizers.
> The stuff I don't like is the later stuff (post 1970), as it tends toward
> prog rock, which I personally dislike as a rule.
On the contrary, it seems that the player you mentioned are very appreciated
by prog rock fans (I still do not know any definition of prog rock apart
from a list of people who played it).
have you seen that Belgian website about Turksh Prog?
Francesco
- -
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:03:20 -0800
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: top 10
>> It's 22 tracks, with Erkin Koray being on a few, but mostly different
> bands
>> -- Yabancular, Mogollar, Yabancular, Baris Manco, and Apaslar among them.
>
> In fact during my record canvassing trip in Turkey I see many high priced
> Manco and Mogollar Lps.
Apparently they're quite the cult item, from what I am told.
>
>> Also, the instruments themselves -- espec the older Middle
>> Eastern eletric keyboards -- make Joe Meek sound like Jimmy Jam & Terry
>> Lewis.
>
> I do not know the latest mentioned gentlemen, but I thought that Eastern
> keyboards (I presume keyboards that would allow players to use what we call
> "microtones" but are normal notes in the Turkish system of 54 notes every
> two octaves) are a recent addition. Of course Turkish musicians would use to
> that effect the coninuous pitch variation present on vary synthesizers.
The keyboards are definitely western-tuned, but they're generally poor
copies of popular western keyboards (Farfisa organs, mellotrons) not unlike
the cheesy keyboards of 60s Chinese pop records.
Joe Meek was an English record producer equal parts Phil Spector and (I mean
this in the best way) Edward D. Wood Jr. He was a brilliant guy and
developed some of the best early outboard gear, produced some fantastic
records, and was completely out of his mind. Getting started on Meek would
probably throw the list into a frenzy, or at least it should.
>
>> The stuff I don't like is the later stuff (post 1970), as it tends toward
>> prog rock, which I personally dislike as a rule.
>
> On the contrary, it seems that the player you mentioned are very appreciated
> by prog rock fans (I still do not know any definition of prog rock apart
> from a list of people who played it).
Perhaps, but the earlier stuff is more pop-psyche, which I like.
>
> have you seen that Belgian website about Turksh Prog?
>
No. You got a URL for it? I should know more of Erkin Koray.
best --
skip h
- -
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 03:09:32 -0500
From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet)
Subject: Re: cragale
PS: to answer Jon's question, I was (nevertheless) under the impression
that the "2nd" is attached to "Muon 2nd" - which would be the street name
or location of the venue / label, not a second series of 100+ CD-R.
- -
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:02:50 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Vuilleumier=2C_St=E9phane=22?= <stephane.vuilleumier@micro.biol.ethz.ch>
Subject: RE: Ethiopiques 11 / Top Ten 2001
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Handley [mailto:thesubtlebody@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 5:04 AM
> To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: Top Ten 2001
>=20
> Finally, and unrelated, anyone heard ETHIOPIQUES vol.
> 11, HARP OF DAVID, by the lyrist Alemu Aga? I keep
> hearing it recommended in terms of its "psychedelic"
> qualities (one reviewer made a glib comparison to
> Paerson Sound, but hey...) , but it looks interesting
> enough without drug likening.
That would be on my top ten list of the year.
Reading about Ethiopiques 11 beforehand, I thought it would be=20
some kind of religious church music!=20
It's: soothing, meditative, primitive and trance-like.=20
Repetitive. Authentic? Ethiopian Zen... Peaceful strength.=20
Just voice and "harp", sounds a lot like luth or a bass
even - I heard that Peter Kowald was desperate to get it
at the time it first came out on Long Distance (I think).=20
Probably the only record this year I listened to 3 times in a row.
OK, if I'm at it, here are another few 2001 ones of my
favourites, but as for other contributors, free improv LPs and
catching up with previous goodies was a major part of my musical
pleasure this year. Oh, I almost forgot: no zorn this time round.
Big Youth - Natty Universal Dread (Blood and Fire)
Alan Silva and the Celestial Communication Orchestra - Seasons (Get
Back reissue)=20
4 Walls - And The World Ain=B4t Square
Fred Frith - Clearing
Guy/Crispell/Oxley - Odyssey (Intakt)
Stefan Wittwer - Streams (Grob)
Steamboat Switzerland - Budapest (Grob)
Spring Heel Jack - Masses
Kelley-Lescalleet - Forlorn Green (favourite Erstwhile this year
for some reason, but
not because it's from=20
the latest batch)
and the 11th would have to be
Manu Chao Proxima Estacion: Esperanza
St=E9phane
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