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Zorn List Digest     Wednesday, December 19 2001     Volume 03 : Number 650



In this issue:
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       Top of 2001
       Re: 01 best of
       2001 top 10
       top 10 of 2001
       Re: girls of zorn
       Top of 2001
       Josh Roseman update
       Re: avant-elitism.
       a long shot: Lisa Germano [NZC]
       Re: 2001 top 10 (and other stuff)
       (...top 10?)

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:18:37 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Top of 2001

Discs:
Matthew Shipp's New Orbit
Elvis Costello -- All This Useless Beauty (bonus disc)
John Zorn -- Masada Live at Tonic 2001
Stefan Winter -- The Little Trumpet (reissue)
Herb Robertson -- Transparency (reissue)
Erik Friedlander -- Grains of Paradise
Wilco -- Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
Roy Campbell -- Ethnic Stew and Brew
Tim Berne -- Open Coma
Pernice Brothers -- The World Won't End

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:33:15 -0600 (CST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: 01 best of

1. Fant⌠mas - The Director's Cut (Ipecac)
2. Secret Chiefs 3 - Book M (Mimicry)
3. Opeth - Blackwater Park (Music for Nations)
4. Faxed Head - Chiropractic (Mimicry)
5. Ulver - Perdition City (Jester)
6. Diabolical Masquerade - Death's Design (Avantgarde)
7. Tool - Lateralus (Volcano/Dissectional)
8. JZ - The Gift (Tzadik)
9. Kreuzweg Ost - Iron Avantgarde (Napalm)
10. Karaboudjan - Sbrodj (Relapse)

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:36:13 -0500
From: David Keffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: 2001 top 10

Musically speaking, 2001 was for me mostly a year to search for used free
improv lps I hadn't heard before.  Of material released for the first time
in 2001, I bought at most 10 cds this year.  The only ones worth mentioning
in a top 10 list are all (coincidentally) website exclusives:

1.  Solo Recordings at Home - M. Gira  (Young God Records)
2.  The Appleyard Files - D. Bailey (Incus)
3.  Chats - D. Bailey (Incus)

David K.


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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:02:52 +0100
From: "Remco Takken" <[e-mail]>
Subject: top 10 of 2001

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thanks for all those lists made up out of artists I have never heard a =
note of! I' ll have my fill with an all Dutch top 10, mostly from groups =
available either through BVHaast of Challenge Records in Holland.

1. AA KISMET: What's the use of crying when the wolves have arrived =
(ZZZZZZ 6, through Worm/ Dodorama)
2. Mosaic: Yes! (TryTone/ BVHaast)
3. Wolfert Brederode/ Eric Ineke Quintet: Pictures of You (A-Records/ =
Challenge)
4. Tony Overwater 3 + guests: OP/ tribute to Oscar Pettiford (Turtle =
Records)
5. Amsterdam Klezmer Band: Limonchiki (Knitting Factory Works)
6. Ab Baars Trio & Roswell Rudd: Four (Data)
7. The Ex Orkest: Rondje Holland (Ex Records/ De Konkurrent)
8. Slang: Los Locos (Carbon 7) These guys are Belgians btw...
9. ICP Orchestra: Oh my dog! (ICP/ BVHaast)
10. Aka Moon: In Real Time (Carbon 7) (also Belgians)
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: [e-mail]=20
  To: [e-mail] ; [e-mail]=20
  Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 8:21 AM
  Subject: Re: avant-elitism.



  In a message dated 12.18.01 20:57:00, [e-mail] writes:

  >That little glossary of terms had more to do with the paragraph to =
which
  >you
  >were responding, but thank you for letting me know your credentials =
and
  >that
  >I am not to make any snide little jokes of my own the e-presence of =
someone
  >with conservatory training in composition.

  um, ouch.  it was a joke, actually.  i was defacing my "conservatory=20
  training" as well, by noting its over pretentia.  let's just lay it =
out flat;=20
  unless i'm directly talking about a piece, everything that comes out =
of my=20
  mouth is total bullshit...

  <bows in deference to your superior listserv capabilities>
  <realises that i am the only girl on the list, probably, and sometimes =
boys=20
  just don't Get It :)>

  xxoo

  kate peterson.



  -----
  nothing in moderation.
  (ernie kovacs)

  i love you, you pay my rent.
  (pet shop boys)

  k a t e  p e t e r s o n
  composer / performer
  [e-mail]
  http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html

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<DIV>thanks for all those lists made up out of artists I have never =
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<DIV>6. Ab Baars Trio & Roswell Rudd: Four (Data)</DIV>
<DIV>7. The Ex Orkest: Rondje Holland (Ex Records/ De Konkurrent)</DIV>
<DIV>8. Slang: Los Locos (Carbon 7) These guys are Belgians btw...</DIV>
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  <DIV><BR></DIV><BR>In a message dated 12.18.01 20:57:00, <A=20
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  conservatory training in composition.<BR><BR>um, ouch.  it was a =
joke,=20
  actually.  i was defacing my "conservatory <BR>training" as well, =
by=20
  noting its over pretentia.  let's just lay it out flat; =
<BR>unless i'm=20
  directly talking about a piece, everything that comes out of my =
<BR>mouth is=20
  total bullshit...<BR><BR><bows in deference to your superior =
listserv=20
  capabilities><BR><realises that i am the only girl on the list,=20
  probably, and sometimes boys <BR>just don't Get It=20
  :)><BR><BR>xxoo<BR><BR>kate =
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  moderation.<BR>(ernie kovacs)<BR><BR>i love you, you pay my =
rent.<BR>(pet shop=20
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:37:48 -0500
From: "&c." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: girls of zorn

Kate,
If you know (as male, female, or nueter) all the lyrics to "the girls of
porn" by memory, you belong here:
http://www.fnm.com/list.html

Zach

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:54:15 -0500
From: "Matthew Mitchell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Top of 2001

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These also include things not necessarily released in 2001 but
discovered this year.  In no particular order:



Xenakis - Orchestral Works Vol II (timpani)

Rihm - Morphonie/Klangbeschreibung (hanssler classic)

Xenakis - a 2CD thing containing one disc of his harpsichord-related pieces
and one disc of ensemble Intercontemporain stuff

Rihm - Gejagte Form (Kairos)

Harrison Birtwistle -Pulse Shadows (Teldec)

Anything that came out on Erstwhile

Fennesz - Endless Summer, and the rest of his albums, too (mego)

MIMEO - Electric Chair and Table (Grob)

Radian - TG11 (Mego)

rlw - Tulpas (Selektion)

Drumm/Wehowsky - Cases (Selektion)

Marchetti/Noetinger/Werchowski (Corpus Hermeticum)

Schick/Neumann - Petit Pale (Zarek)

Perlonex - Peripherique (Zarek)

Rowe/Beins - Grain (Zarek)

Muller/Sugimoto - I am Happy if you are happy (for4ears)

Krebs/Neumann - Rotophormen (charizma)

Neumann/Nakamura - Aton (rossbin)

Dafeldecker/Kurzmann/Fennesz/o'rourke/drumm/Siewert (Charizma)

poire z - presque_chic (sonoris)

Drumm/Sugimoto - Den (sonoris)

Dachte Musik (Grob)

Dafeldecker/Hegenbart - Eis 9 (Grob)

Voice Crack/Marchetti/Noetinger - Double Wash (Grob)

This Heat - Deceit (These)

Mike Keneally - Wooden Smoke (Exowax)



etc., etc.



- -matt mitchell

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<DIV>These also include things not necessarily released in 2001 but discovered this year.  In no particular order:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Xenakis - Orchestral Works Vol II (timpani)</DIV>
<DIV>Rihm - Morphonie/Klangbeschreibung (hanssler classic)</DIV>
<DIV>Xenakis - a 2CD thing containing one disc of his harpsichord-related pieces and one disc of ensemble Intercontemporain stuff</DIV>
<DIV>Rihm - Gejagte Form (Kairos)</DIV>
<DIV>Harrison Birtwistle -Pulse Shadows (Teldec)</DIV>
<DIV>Anything that came out on Erstwhile</DIV>
<DIV>Fennesz - Endless Summer, and the rest of his albums, too (mego)</DIV>
<DIV>MIMEO - Electric Chair and Table (Grob)</DIV>
<DIV>Radian - TG11 (Mego)</DIV>
<DIV>rlw - Tulpas (Selektion)</DIV>
<DIV>Drumm/Wehowsky - Cases (Selektion)</DIV>
<DIV>Marchetti/Noetinger/Werchowski (Corpus Hermeticum)</DIV>
<DIV>Schick/Neumann - Petit Pale (Zarek)</DIV>
<DIV>Perlonex - Peripherique (Zarek)</DIV>
<DIV>Rowe/Beins - Grain (Zarek)</DIV>
<DIV>Muller/Sugimoto - I am Happy if you are happy (for4ears)</DIV>
<DIV>Krebs/Neumann - Rotophormen (charizma)</DIV>
<DIV>Neumann/Nakamura - Aton (rossbin)</DIV>
<DIV>Dafeldecker/Kurzmann/Fennesz/o'rourke/drumm/Siewert (Charizma)</DIV>
<DIV>poire z - presque_chic (sonoris)</DIV>
<DIV>Drumm/Sugimoto - Den (sonoris)</DIV>
<DIV>Dachte Musik (Grob)</DIV>
<DIV>Dafeldecker/Hegenbart - Eis 9 (Grob)</DIV>
<DIV>Voice Crack/Marchetti/Noetinger - Double Wash (Grob)</DIV>
<DIV>This Heat - Deceit (These)</DIV>
<DIV>Mike Keneally - Wooden Smoke (Exowax)</DIV>
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:54:07 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Josh Roseman update

For those who've been wondering for a while whatever happened to Josh
Roseman's 'Cherry' album on Enja, here's an update. Here in the U.S. at
least, it is now a February release on Knitting Factory Records.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:51:17 -0600
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: avant-elitism.

On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 11:51:58PM -0800, Skip Heller wrote:

> > nothing in moderation.
> > (ernie kovacs)
> I worked for a time as a Kovacs archivist. You might be best not quoting the
> author of a book like ZOOMAR.

What is ZOOMAR?

(Watching Ernie Kovacs reruns when I was a kid permanently warped my
brain...)

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Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:09:04 +0000 (WET)
From: Ricardo Reis <[e-mail]>
Subject: a long shot: Lisa Germano [NZC]

    Hi, this is a long shot, but does any of you know about Lisa
Germano? Is she doing something new?

            thanx,

                 Ricardo Reis

                "Non Serviam"


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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:28:23 -0500
From: "Nirav Soni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: 2001 top 10 (and other stuff)

> Best CDRs:
> 1. Smell & Quim: Spaceshit (no label, no date... but I think it came out
in
> 2000, whatever)

If you dig the S+Q (who doesn't?) you really ought to check out the Milovan
Srdenovic solo lp on Freedom From. It's not noise at all, it's more like
demented outsider making-a-ruckus-with-toys and Tom Waits-with-the-shits
vocals. "I don't want no zulu-gynecologist" indeed.


> 2. Decaer Pinga/Runzelstirn & Gurgelstock: Omitting the troll (2xCDr)
> (chocolate monk)

I've only heard a comp track by R&G, probably a good 4-5 years ago, but I
remember being really thrown off by it. There were these big spaces,
interrupted by short outbursts of strangeness. It was on the "Release Your
Mind" triple cd comp...is this anything of a good intro to the band? Have
they done better work?

 > Bastard Noise: Throne is Melting (helicopter)


Both Helicopter things you mentioned are very nice indeed. The last two
tracks on this are just lovely, lots of interesting textures, keeps an
undertone of menace without actually fully jumping at yr throat. Did you
check out the Sissy Spacek also on Helicopter? Lots of fun, short (5-10 secs
long) noise burts, some rockisms, some more digital stuff, great for random
playing.

My list'll pop it's little head up soon. Anyone else going to see the new
Jan Svankmajer film "Little Otik" tonight at Film Forum (all you new
yorkers.) Just bought my ticket online! I think it'll probably make it's way
onto my list.

http://www.filmforum.com/otik.html
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0151/hoberman.php (go about halfway down
the page)

Cheers!
Nirav (for whatever reason, really digging the grotesque as of late)
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AIM: Icefactory37
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:26:30 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (...top 10?)

so i actually only purchased about 5 CDs this whole calendar year, being
unemployed and all.  so here is a list of what i've burned, stolen, or
otherwise acquired and liked.  sorry it's not so weird or anything.  it's
also in no particular order.  it's also probably not ten items.  i'm bad at
this quantification thing.

boards of canada - let the music have children
    this is a really, really fucked up album.  kind of dance techno avant-pop.

stereolab - (the new album)
    right, so i don't actually own the new stereolab album, but it opens up
on this     positively cool whole tone scale which makes me so happy i could
scream.

can - ege bamyasi
    so, this album is like 30 years old.  but it rules.

jim altieri - tweeg:phonic 1
    jim's a good friend of mine.  i've heard only bits and pieces of this
album, since he
    hasn't bothered to send me a copy yet, but i'm sure it rules.  jim has
built this
    really ridiculous instrument in max/msp and generates really, really nice
sound.  he
    is my co-collaborator and his music and our joint music can be found at
    <A HREF="http://www.mp3.com/tweeg">http://www.mp3.com/tweeg</A>

henryk gorecki - symphony 3
    another oldie but goodie - if you don't own it, you should, if only
because gorecki
    is one of the few people on earth who makes full string orchestra sound
good.
    hint:  only listen to the dawn upshaw recording.

heiner goebbels - black on white
    i don't think this album came out this year, either.  i think it came out
in 99 or 00.
    regardless, it is out of print and unavailable according to everyone i've
tried to buy
    it from.  that's a shame, too, because this is a weird, weird, kind of
scary album
    by a weird, weird, kind of scary german composer.

phish - live phish 4 (6.14.00  drum logos, fukuoka, japan)
    i bet a lot of you think phish suck.  that's an understandable opinion.
i happen to
    love phish a real lot, and this is a hot, hot show.  i always have liked
the smaller show
    setting and the shows are usually way better.  for anyone who cares to
know,
    this show's first set is ridiculously sick.  carini --> curtain -->
cities which is just a
    really happening show opener.  and the jams are surprisingly tight,
especially the last
    minute or so of fee on disc one.  even if (or maybe especially if) you
hate phish, this
    is worth at least listening to once.

brian eno - music for airports / ambient 1
    so, not only did this album come out in 1978, but i've owned it for a
good six years.
    i just put it on every list of my albums of the year because it's
probably my favourite
    album of all time.  enough so that i got the score for 1/1 tattooed on my
stomach.

spiritualized - let it come down
    a lot of people have panned this album.  i didn't.  maybe it's because i
have a piece
    named after the same paul bowles book (...let it come down).  maybe it's
because
    i've done as many drugs as the dude who writes these songs.  the one
precautionary
    item is that if you've listened to a lot of brit pop (specifically, the
charlatans UK -
    between 10th and 11th), you're going to be singing to yourself "i can see
a rainbow /
    coming out of your hole" by the end of this disc...

vincent calianno - fuel
    this piece hasn't officially been 'released' (i don't think any of his
music has), but he
    sent it to me after it premiered a couple of weeks ago.  fuel is a
concerto for    electric cello.  i don't think that says a lot about it.
vinny can assemble music better
    than almost anyone i know, and the 2nd --> 3rd movement transition of
this piece is
    sick.  it doesn't hurt that his pet cellist, kivie cahn-lipman is
brutally amazing.  plus,
    he got stefan tcherepnin to run electronics/sound, so all of vinny's good
ideas   actually sound good, too.  it's a really exciting piece.

bang on a can - (uh oh, i can't remember the name of the disc)
    this CD is sitting downstairs, and i just bought it last week which would
account for
    why i don't know the name of the CD.  but there are 5 pieces on it, i
think, three of     which i remember, and one of which i actually know the
title of.  they are all, however    really good.  the first piece is by julia
wolfe, veteran bang on a can offendor.  it rules.   the third piece on the
disc is called 'i am paul' by michael gordon.  every piece i've
    ever heard by michael gordon has practically make me puke it's so good.
he uses
    electric instruments all distorted with such briliant ease.  the fourth
piece on the
    disc is something kind of far out by glenn branca.  this CD makes me
really happy.

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the books list is way shorter, even though i read just so much...

jim knipfel - quitting the nairobi trio
    this is jim knipfel's memoir about his 6 month stay in a mental hospital.
 it's so funny
    and so well done, and i was really excited about this book and read it in
one night.  i
    was not disappointed.  plus, i emailed jim knipfel and started talking
with him sort of,
    and it was cool that he actually responded to my email.  he writes for
the NY Press,
    (<A HREF="http://www.nypress.com">http://www.nypress.com</A>), but his
archived articles can be found here:
    <A HREF="http://www.missioncreep.com/slackjaw/index.html">
http://www.missioncreep.com/slackjaw/index.html</A>

david sedaris - me talk pretty one day
    this was an equally great book.  i emailed david sedaris' publisher about
getting in
    contact with him, and got a really bitchy email back, which sucked.  but
oh well.

and as always, one for the road...

william s. burroughs - final journals
    every year since i was in 9th grade i've pick my burroughs book of the
year.  this
    this is it.



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long winded,
  kate.






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nothing in moderation.
(ernie kovacs)

where there's a mission, there's a missionary.
(jim altieri)


k a t e  p e t e r s o n
composer / performer
<A HREF="mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]</A>
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html">
http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html</A>

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