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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, December 19 2001 Volume 03 : Number 649
In this issue:
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Re: Gira, SWANS, Burning World
Re: Those Top Lists
2001 top 10 (and other stuff)
SWANS Live Tapes
Top List 2001 (a bit long)
01 best of.
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:33:48 +0100
From: "Mads Ruby" <ruby@andelsgaden.dk>
Subject: Re: Gira, SWANS, Burning World
David Keffer wrote
| A second opinion:
| "Anonymous Bodies In An Empty Room" is really a very poor substitute =
for=20
| "The Burning World". "Anonymous Bodies In An Empty Room" is one of
| several live SWANS albums of dubious quality, some of them recorded on
| Walkmans
| by audience members. Moreover, only 3 of the 8 songs on "Anonymous =
Bodies=20
| In An Empty Room" are from "The Burning World". The others are from
| (what was at the time forthcoming) "White Light From the Mouth of =
Infinity"
| and "Blood Women Roses". Those 3 songs do not represent the best =
material
| on "The Burning World". =20
Aaarrrrgh. I got Anonymous bodies mixed up with a great live recording =
from Roskilde Festival 1989 from that year, where SWANS do 8 of the 10 =
tunes from The Burning World. In these versions they actually sound like =
SWANS tunes. But I still think The Burning World has a totally tame =
sound. However, I do like those audience souvenir albums: "Feel Good =
Now" and "Public Castration Is A Good Idea" are real charmers
, a
| much better source for hearing these songs live rather than (the long =
oop)
| "Anonymous Bodies In An Empty Room" are the live tapes sold for $10=20
| at www.swans.pair.com. I have heard the 1989 shows in Tokyo and =
Lawrence, KS
| and can vouch that they contain 9 of the 10=20
You haven=B4t tried any of the earlier tapes around the period of "Cop", =
"Filth" and "Greed" by any chance? I=B4m thinking about getting a ton of =
those tapes, but was wondering about the quality of those tapes
cheers
Mads
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 06:43:08 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Those Top Lists
More or less in order of acquisition, and all categories:
Steven Feld - Rainforest Soundwalks
Orjan Henriksson - as the side scene of reality melted...
Michael Prime - Aquifers
Keith Rowe - Harsh
Nakamura & M - Do
Bernhard G=FCnter - then, silence
Jonathan Coleclough - Period
Chas Smith - Nikkowolverine
Rachid Taha - Made in Medina
K=F6ner & Tietchens - Kontakte der J=FCnglinge
John Oswald - Plunderphonics 69/96
James Coleman - Zuihitsu
Rafael Toral - Violence of Discovery and Calm of Acceptance
Lionel Marchetti - Portrait d'un glacier
Rowe & Nakamura - Weather Sky
mnortham - from within the solar cave
Francisco L=F3pez - Buildings [new york]
Adrian Moore - Traces
Olivia Block - Mobius Fuse
Kelley & Lescalleet - Forlorn Green
Otomo Yoshihide - Anode
Drumm & Wehowsky - Cases
Books of the year:
Claudio Magris - Danube (history/travel)
Michael Connelly - Void Moon (superb robbery novel)
Nicolas Bouvier - The Way of the World (travel from Istanbul to Kabul in
the 1950s)
Barry Miles - The Beat Hotel (Ginsburg, Burroughs et al in Paris in the=
1950s)
Maurice G. Dantec - Les Racines du Mal (sci-fi)
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Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:18:48 -0500
From: "Bruno Bissonnette" <burningwater@hotmail.com>
Subject: 2001 top 10 (and other stuff)
You know it's been a good year for music when six months into it,
trying to compile this early, there's already ten or more releases
that deserve to be up there. Exceptionnal stuff.
Some of these may be from '99 or '00 as well as 2001, but since I've
only recently gotten around to purchasing them, here they are anyway.
So here we go:
This year's top 10... (in no particular order, though that
Fennesz disc is one of the best things I've heard, ever... and
SC3 too, and... oh just check the comments below)
1. John Oswald - 69 Plunderphonics 96 (seeland/fony)
2. John Wall - Constructions V-VII (utterpsalm)
3. Fennesz - Endless Summer (mego)
4. Fant⌠mas - The Director's Cut (ipecac)
5. DJ Smallcock - yinyue (dual plover)
6. John Wiese - Collected Tracks (helicopter)
7. Sachiko M/Toshimaru Nakamura - Do (erstwhile)
8. Francisco L≤pez - Untitled #104 (alien8)
9. Secret Chiefs 3 - Book M (mimicry)
10. Bastard Noise - Descent to Mimas (groundfault)
Comments:
1. an easy pick many would say, but this is just an outstanding
package. Not to mention that most of the tracks that were
previously "available" have been wonderfully revamped. It's
true that some of his ideas are more interesting on paper than
in practice, but then again almost all of this is highly enjoyable.
2. more minimal than ever, concentrated sound distilled from strong sources.
3. just beautiful, inspiring. Consistently amazing and great.
4. almost a guilty pleasure, this was a no-brainer. Good film tunes
mangled and reenergized, short and sweet.
5. 9 hours of chinese radio cut down to 55 minutes, using only the pause
button of a tape recorder. A noisy and interesting take on plunderphonics.
6. tracks 3-6 from this are for when Merzbow isn't noisy enough (!!!),
and tracks 1,2,7,8 are creepy droning works. Another stunning find
through Bananafish...
7. i can't remember where I read this but... it truly sounds like laser
beams turned into sound. Precise, devastating.
8. a huge surprise, an avalanche of metal!
9. the middle-eastern influences have now completely taken over... SC3
just get better and better, which is scary 'cos I don't know how Trey
could top this... the next Bungle perhaps?
10. another project involving John Wiese, the "new" version of Bastard
Noise (along with Eric Wood of Man is the Bastard) here performs a
devastating aural interpretation of a spaceship landing on Mimas (Jupiter's
closest moon) and the following events... some great noisy parts, and a
sublime final ambient 30 minute track.
bonus stuff:
Most amazing, surreal buy: LaMonte Young and The Forever Bad Blues Band:
Live at the Kitchen... bought at CDNOW!!! omg I still don't believe it...
the thing's been out of print forever, and after searching everywhere, I
found it at CDNOW. Who'd a thunk it... And btw, this also amazingly lived
up to all the hype I'd heard about it, it's a real blues reinvention. Now if
only the Well-Tuned Piano DVD would come out...
Best compilations:
The Moonlanding 7" series, 1+2 and 3+4 (helicopter), short but wonderful
noise comps. Aube, Haters, MSBR, etc.. assembled by John Wiese.
Best boxset (probably, if I'd heard it...) :
V/A: No Nothing, from No Music Festival 2000 (non musica rex)
Best CDRs:
1. Smell & Quim: Spaceshit (no label, no date... but I think it came out in
2000, whatever)
2. Decaer Pinga/Runzelstirn & Gurgelstock: Omitting the troll (2xCDr)
(chocolate monk)
Comments:
1. Not as noisy as you'd expect from them, but truly varied and odd,
consistently interesting.
2. Waaaaay out there. I was kinda weirded out by R&G's "Asshole/Snail
Dilemma" but this collaboration with Decaer Pinga is astounding, strange
noise.
contenders for the top 10 or honorable mentions (i.e. stuff that might have
made the list if I'd gotten around to buying them... you'll see those here
next year most probably):
Bastard Noise: Throne is Melting (helicopter)
Anderson/Sophiea: Medication (family vineyard)
Space Machine: Cosmos From Diode Ladder Filter (alchemy)
Christine 23 Onna: Shiny Crystal Planet (alchemy)
Aube: timemind (alchemy)
Merzbow: Hard Lovin' Man (anoema)
Nihilist Spasm Band with Joe McPhee: No Borders 2CD (non musica rex)
that's it for me...
Bruno
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:25:52 -0500
From: David Keffer <keffer@planetc.com>
Subject: SWANS Live Tapes
>> a much better source for hearing these songs live rather than
>>"Anonymous Bodies In An Empty Room" are the live tapes sold for $10 at
>>www.swans.pair.com.
From: "Mads Ruby" <ruby@andelsgaden.dk>
> You haven=B4t tried any of the earlier tapes around the period of "Cop", =
> "Filth" and "Greed" by any chance? I=B4m thinking about getting a ton of =
> those tapes, but was wondering about the quality of those tapes
Some of the live tapes on sale at www.swans.pair.com are stellar. The sound
quality is generally excellent (by analog live tape standards). If you are
in doubt,
I suggest you try Amsterdam, 1988 (Catalog # 042)
1. Blood on Your Hands (Jarboe) (06:39)
2. Jane Mary, Cry One Tear (05:59)
3. Let It Come Down (07:30)
4. "The Unknown" (07:34)
5. "She Won't Go Away" (07:57)
6. Still A Child (Jarboe) (05:21)
7. See No More (07:41)
8. Trust Me (11:18)
9. Love Will Tear Us Apart (Jarboe)(04:50)
10. Sex, God, Sex (11:17)
11. Various Audience Tricks (03:41)
12. New Mind (05:35)
I think there is some general consensus that this is one of the best live
tapes on the site. It has some "Burning World", some "Children of God",
some "Blood Women Roses", their Joy Division cover, and two songs that have
never been released, "The Unknown" and "She Won't Go Away". What is really
amazing is that these two songs were never released. They are as good as
any SWANS song ever recorded. No joke. That these two songs have been
relegated to bootleg-only status typifies the marketing and promotional
blundering that have kept SWANS from the top-40 super stardom that we all
knew they could otherwise achieve.
A few of us have sporadically been digitally remastering these tapes (for
our personal listening pleasure only). We have been posting the set-lists
(like the one shown above) and sound quality comments on the discussion
board at www.swans.pair.com. The topic is "SET LISTS FOR SWANS LIVE
TAPES". This will give you a good idea of the tape content and quality,
but start with Amsterdam, 1988.
As for Greed/Holy Money era (85-87) live shows, there are currently
available cd reissues of three "official bootlegs" from Atavistic
(www.atavistic.com) and Young God Records (www.younggodrecords.com), namely
"Public Castration is a Good Idea", "Kill the Child", and "Real Love". The
latter two also contain "Children of God" material but I remember them
having some
Greed/Holy Money content as well. I don't think there are any live tapes
of this era better than these three cds, and "Public Castration is a Good
Idea" is the best.
As for live shows predating Greed & Holy Money, check the discussion list
at www.swans.pair.com. As I recall, there are comments on at least one of
those.
David K.
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:53:22 +0100
From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Top List 2001 (a bit long)
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Hi,
There goes my list. No particular order and some old records and =
reissues included.
- -Dave Douglas "Witness" (BMG).=20
- -Fant=F4mas "The Director's Cut" (Ipecac Records).=20
- -Masada "Live at Tonic" (Tzadik).=20
- -John Zorn "Filmworks X" (Tzadik).=20
- -Mark Helias' Open Loose "Old School" (Enja).=20
- -Cecil Taylor Unit "It is in the Brewing Luminous" (Hatology).
- -Fred Frith "Clearing" (Tzadik)
- -Ruins "Live at Kichijoji Mandala II" (Tzadik).=20
- -Oren Bloedow & Jennifer Charles "La Mar Enfortuna" (Tzadik)
- -Tim Berne "The Shell Game" (Thirsty Ear)
- -Chicago Underground Quartet (Thrill Jockey)
And I ran a bit late with:
Satoko Fujii "Looking out of the Window" (Nippon Crown)
Myra Melford "Even the Sounds Shine"- Cdr
Wadada Leo Smith "Reflectability" (Tzadik)
Matthew Shipp "Pastoral Composure" (Thirsty Ear)
Charles Mingus "At the Bohemia" (Debut)
Death Ambient- Ikue Mori/Fred Frith/Kato Hideki- "Synaesthesia" (Tzadik)
Derek Bailey/Jamadeleen Tacuma/Derek Bailey "Mirakle" (Tzadik)
John Coltrane "Ascension" (Impulse!)
William Parker "In Order to Survive" (Black Saint)
Books:
Baxter, John "Stanley Kubrick: A Biography"
Hispano, Andr=E9s "David Lynch: Claroscuro Americano"=20
Hesse, Hermann "Demian"
Burroughs, William S. "The Naked Lunch"
Yamamoto, Jocho "Hagakure" (Thanks for the recommendations here, BTW)
Duras, Marguerite "L'amant de la Chine du Nord"
Duras, Maguerite "Le ravissement de Lol V. Stein" (French listers =
correct mistakes here!)
Films (none from this year, I think):
Takeshi Kitano: "Hana-Bi"
"Kikujiro"
"Brother"
Jim Jarmusch: "Stranger than Paradise"
David Lynch: "The Straight Story"
(can't remember the director): "Magnolia"
Woody Allen: "Last Night of Boris Grushenkov" (if that's the original =
English title)
Sam Mendes: "American Beauty"
Sorry for the long list, although I'm sure I'm letting things out.
Best,
Efr=E9n
n.p: Chicago Underground Quartet
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>There goes my list. No particular order and some old =
records=20
and reissues included.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>-Dave Douglas "Witness" (BMG). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>-Fant=F4mas "The Director's Cut" (Ipecac Records). =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>-Masada "Live at Tonic" (Tzadik). <BR>-John Zorn =
"Filmworks X"=20
(Tzadik). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>-Mark Helias' Open Loose "Old School" (Enja). =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>-Cecil Taylor Unit "It is in the Brewing Luminous"=20
(Hatology).<BR>-Fred Frith "Clearing" (Tzadik)<BR>-Ruins "Live at =
Kichijoji=20
Mandala II" (Tzadik). <BR>-Oren Bloedow & Jennifer Charles "La =
Mar=20
Enfortuna" (Tzadik)<BR>-Tim Berne "The Shell Game" (Thirsty =
Ear)<BR>-Chicago=20
Underground Quartet (Thrill Jockey)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>And I ran a bit late with:<BR><BR>Satoko Fujii =
"Looking out of=20
the Window" (Nippon Crown)<BR>Myra Melford "Even the Sounds Shine"-=20
Cdr<BR>Wadada Leo Smith "Reflectability" (Tzadik)<BR>Matthew Shipp =
"Pastoral=20
Composure" (Thirsty Ear)<BR>Charles Mingus "At the Bohemia" =
(Debut)<BR>Death=20
Ambient- Ikue Mori/Fred Frith/Kato Hideki- "Synaesthesia" =
(Tzadik)<BR>Derek=20
Bailey/Jamadeleen Tacuma/Derek Bailey "Mirakle" (Tzadik)<BR>John =
Coltrane=20
"Ascension" (Impulse!)<BR>William Parker "In Order to Survive" (Black=20
Saint)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Books:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Baxter, John "Stanley Kubrick: A =
Biography"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hispano, Andr=E9s "David Lynch: Claroscuro =
Americano"=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hesse, Hermann "Demian"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Burroughs, William S. "The Naked Lunch"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Yamamoto, Jocho "Hagakure" (Thanks for the =
recommendations=20
here, BTW)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Duras, Marguerite "L'amant de la Chine du =
Nord"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Duras, Maguerite "Le ravissement de Lol V. Stein" =
(French=20
listers correct mistakes here!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Films (none from this year, I think):</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Takeshi Kitano: "Hana-Bi"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> =
=20
=
"Kikujiro"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> =
=20
=
"Brother"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Jim Jarmusch: "Stranger than Paradise"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>David Lynch: "The Straight Story"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>(can't remember the director): =
"Magnolia"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Woody Allen: "Last Night of Boris Grushenkov" (if =
that's the=20
original English title)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Sam Mendes: "American Beauty"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Sorry for the long list, although I'm sure I'm =
letting things=20
out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Best,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Efr=E9n</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>n.p: Chicago Underground =
Quartet</DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:13:43 -0500
From: "Andrew" <ahorton@vt.edu>
Subject: 01 best of.
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My list; I find most jazz trite and uninteresting (unlike my pretentious =
indie-hip hop). =3D)
1. cLOUDDEAD- "clouddead" (Mush records)
2. John Zorn- "The Gift" (Tzadik)
3. Aesop Rock- "Labor Days" (Def Jux)
4. Prefuse 73- "Vocal Studies and Uprock Narratives" (Warp)
5. Chicago Underground Quartet- s.t. (thrill jockey)
6. The Handsome Family- "Twilight"=20
7. Cex- "Oops, I did it again" (Tigerbeat 6)
8. the Dismemberment Plan- "Change" (Desoto)
9. Cannibal Ox- "The Cold Vein" (Def Jux)
10. Dabrye- "3/5" (Ghostly International)
11. Tortoise- "standards" (thrill jockey)
Film:=20
"Amorres Perros" / "Mulholland Drive" rocked my world.=20
andrew.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My list; I find most jazz trite and uninteresting =
(unlike my=20
pretentious indie-hip hop). =3D)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>1. cLOUDDEAD- "clouddead" (Mush =
records)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>2. John Zorn- "The Gift" (Tzadik)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>3. Aesop Rock- "Labor Days" (Def Jux)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>4. Prefuse 73- "Vocal Studies and Uprock Narratives" =
(Warp)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>5. Chicago Underground Quartet- s.t. (thrill=20
jockey)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>6. The Handsome Family- "Twilight" =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>7. Cex- "Oops, I did it again" (Tigerbeat =
6)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>8. the Dismemberment Plan- =
"Change" (Desoto)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>9. Cannibal Ox- "The Cold Vein" (Def =
Jux)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>10. Dabrye- "3/5" (Ghostly =
International)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>11. Tortoise- "standards" (thrill =
jockey)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Film: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>"Amorres Perros" / "Mulholland Drive" rocked my =
world.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>andrew.</FONT></DIV>
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