The recording of Xu Feng should be held up as an example of what Cobra
is supposed to achieve as listenable music. I have performed Cobra
many times under Zorn's direction, and his final words, after the
rudiments have been mastered, are always that we are to try our hardest
to make real music at each new cue.
The rules of Xu Feng and Cobra are almost identical. The main difference
is personel: 6 for Xu Feng, and around 10 for Cobra. As you can easily
relate how a trio is tighter and more intimate than a quintet, so too go
the game ensembles. The circus atmosphere of the Cobra performance, com-
bined with keeping your mind on the rules and watching for cues, gets
very distracting from the real goal - which is to make music at the
drop of
a hat (card, really); hitting the ground running without any previous
reference points (or precious little). Zorn wants whatever grouping that
gets cued to jump in with something, but listening to each other at the
same time, and be adept enough to make it be "real music", whatever that
is. It's a failing on the part of the musicians involved when Cobra
doesn't approach the Xu Feng recording (understandable as it is).
To use an old sexist term, I think Cobra separates the men from the
boys, in regard to evaluating a player's improvisational skills.
Frankly, the live performance of Cobra provides enough fun and visual
insight to the process to be entertaining on its own. It's a real
crapshoot whether it ever attains its musical goals. Fifty percent of
the time is my liberal estimation, and I don't think the recorded versions
of Cobra are particulary good examples, though the all-star line ups make
them look interesting.
Of all the gestures Zorn makes during Cobra, a common one that runs
through them all is an obscene one - Zorn feigning masturbation when
a player is wanking instead of working hard to play with the other
musicians.
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:03:32 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keithmar@msn.com>
Subject: Re: gamepieces
>>>Though I've never seen a game piece performed live, I do
appreciate them
immensely.<<<
Me, too. I find Archery a work of stunning beauty.
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:40:57 EST
From: Samerivertwice@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mike Patton
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In a message dated 11/14/01 6:17:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cdeupree@erinet.com writes:
> I hate to ask, but the most recent issue of Computer Music Journal has
> nothing about Mike Patton, so could you please spell out your acronym?
> --
>
> Caleb Deupree
> cdeupree@erinet.com
>
In all honesty, I have no idea what the acronym "CMJ" stands for, and neither
the cover nor the Editorial page give any clues. But the complete title is
"CMJ New Music Monthly" and can be ordered at 1-800-414-4CMJ.
Nice article with the Strokes, too.
Tom
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I hate to ask, but the most recent issue of Computer Music Journal has<BR>
nothing about Mike Patton, so could you please spell out your acronym? <BR>
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cdeupree@erinet.com<BR>
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In all honesty, I have no idea what the acronym "CMJ" stands for, and neither the cover nor the Editorial page give any clues. But the complete title is "CMJ New Music Monthly" and can be ordered at 1-800-414-4CMJ. <BR>
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Nice article with the Strokes, too.<BR>
<BR>
Tom</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:46:46 -0500
From: "Joeseph Simon" <proving@en.com>
Subject: RE: Mike Patton
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cmj = college music journal
Joe
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In a message dated 11/14/01 6:17:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cdeupree@erinet.com writes:
I hate to ask, but the most recent issue of Computer Music Journal has
nothing about Mike Patton, so could you please spell out your acronym?
--
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
In all honesty, I have no idea what the acronym "CMJ" stands for, and
neither the cover nor the Editorial page give any clues. But the complete
title is "CMJ New Music Monthly" and can be ordered at 1-800-414-4CMJ.
Nice article with the Strokes, too.
Tom
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