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Zorn List Digest      Wednesday, November 7 2001      Volume 03 : Number 608



In this issue:
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       Lizard Bassist (was RE: Tomahawk opinions wanted)
       Ra. rec. and question
       Re: About Douglas live
       Fwd: About Douglas live
       Re: the legendary hassan
       John Zorn Live?????
       Re: John Zorn Live?????
       Speed
       RE: Speed
       Fwd:
       Re: Speed
       Re: John Zorn Live?????
       RE: Speed
       Thanks...
       New Brotherhood of Breath
       Re: New Brotherhood of Breath
       Re: New Brotherhood of Breath
       Re: New Brotherhood of Breath

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Date:
From: [e-mail] (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Lizard Bassist (was RE: Tomahawk opinions wanted)

* "Alan Marshall" <[e-mail]>
>I really liked Jesus Lizard but this album is a bit average :( ...
>it's actually Duane Denison's(Jesus Lizard's bassist) band,
>he got Patton to sing.

Never woulda thunk anyone would mistake Denison for the mighty
Wm. Sims, but ...  (Denison = guitar, Sims = bass ;-).


- -P



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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:41:38 -0400
From: mwoodwor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ra. rec. and question

Hi - I can't remember if anyone has mentioned the Sun Ra
album yet - 'Outer Spaceways Incorporated' on the Freedom label
(I think).  I'll also second the rec. for the 'make a joyful noise'
movie- very entertaining.  Does anyone know if there is a soundtrack
per se for this video.  There is one song that is on it (played
right at the end if I remember correctly) where the whole band dances
around the audience and does this chant/hopping procession thing (kinda like -
daaaaa, da da, da, da, da  da, dah dah)that sounds really good and has
often got stuck in my head, but I don't know the name of the tune, or
if it is available on any official recording.

Also, everyone - go buy Gregg Bendian's Interzone - REquim for Jack Kirby -
loaded with amazing music.

mike.


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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:51:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: About Douglas live

Pat:

The four recorded a (long-delayed) CD for Songlines
last year, but no sign of it yet. They also played
together as a band in New York and other places.
Douglas, Bennink and Mengelberg have also played
together as a trio. I saw them at the Guelph Jazz
Festival a couple of years ago and was disappointed.
Douglas and Mengelberg together were fine, but Bennink
seemed to be (noisily) playing off in a corner by
himself and often drowned out the other two.

Ken Waxman

- --- patbor <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> 1) saw that Dave Douglas will be playing
> in Torino, Italy March 2 with Mengelberg
> Jones, Bennik. saw that there are no
> studio recordings with this group, only
> Douglas-Bennik and Douglas-Mengelberg.
> Anyone has further info about these 4
> musicians together?
>
> 2) Douglas will be also touring with
> Trisha Brown. The ensemble's line up
> seems a lot like charms of the night
> sky, is the dance performance based
> on that kind of sound?
>
> Thanks
> Patb
>
> -
>


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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:51:02 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: About Douglas live

>
> Hello,
>
> 1) saw that Dave Douglas will be playing
> in Torino, Italy March 2 with Mengelberg
> Jones, Bennik. saw that there are no
> studio recordings with this group, only
> Douglas-Bennik and Douglas-Mengelberg.
> Anyone has further info about these 4
> musicians together?

Hi,

If my memory serves, Brad Jones was also featured as a
part of the Misha Mengelberg Trio in Avant's "Who's
Bridge", along with Joey Baron.

Best,

EfrΘn

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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:09:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: the legendary hassan

Skip:

Do a Web search. Seems to be there's biographical info
on him in a site called Jazz in Philadelphia or soem
such.

Ken Waxman

- --- Skip Heller <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Just found the Atlantic Max Roach album featuring
> this guy, Hassan Ibn Ali.
> I know he played with the Three Strings (and was
> replaced by Ahmad Jamal).
> Does anyone else know anything at all about him?
>
> skip heller
> http://www.skipheller.com
>
>
>
> -
>


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Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 10:10:23 -0800
From: "darby crash" <[e-mail]>
Subject: John Zorn Live?????

Does anybody know where and when and if John Zorn will be playing out on
tour or in NY?

Does anybody have a link to any web pages that might list JZ shows?

Its been a while since I've seen him play.

Jeff

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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:24:01 -0500
From: "Nirav Soni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Zorn Live?????

>
> Does anybody know where and when and if John Zorn will be playing out on
> tour or in NY?

The Tonic website (http://www.tonic107.com) sez he'll be playing on Nov.
13th.

Myself, I'm trying to decide whether or not to check out White Out with
Diamond Jim O'Rourke on the 8th. Anyone have anything to say about White
Out? I know zero about the band.

Nirav
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Date: Tue,  6 Nov 2001 13:34:18 -0500
From: "patbor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Speed

Hello,

Chris Speed as a composer:

I know his last recording
is EMIT, Songlines.
I have requested it but still
waiting.

- - What is his music like?

- - Is Songlines the only label he has
recorded for (as a composer)?

Thank you,
PatB

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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:47:41 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Speed

1. Chris Speed's music takes in equal measures of Downtown pedigree (Berne,
Douglas) and eastern European folk tradition. He's also handy with a catchy
tune. Each of his three Songlines discs has been better than the one before
it. Cuong Vu does some terrific playing on all three. Tom Benton could give
you an even better desciption than that, but we have't heard from him in a
long time now...

2. Chris recorded one disc, 'Iffy,' for the Knitting Factory label. He stuck
to clarinet for the disc, backed by Jamie Saft and Ben Perowsky. Reviews
were mixed, and the sound is more raw and in-your-face than most jazz
recordings, on purpose.

Speaking of the Knit, their label seems to be well and truly up and running
again - I've gotten four or five recent releases, the best of which is Cuong
Vu's new 'Come Play With Me,' which reunites him with Stomu Takeishi and
John Hollenbeck.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of patbor
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:34 PM
To: Zorn list
Subject: Speed


Hello,

Chris Speed as a composer:

I know his last recording
is EMIT, Songlines.
I have requested it but still
waiting.

- - What is his music like?

- - Is Songlines the only label he has
recorded for (as a composer)?

Thank you,
PatB

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Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 18:55:36 +0000
From: "Kurt Gottschalk" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd:

>From: kurt gottschalk <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:54:23 -0800 (PST)
>
>JumpArts and Neues Kabarett present
>The Better Bridges Festival
>at The Brecht Forum
>122 W. 27th St. 10th floor
>NYC
>
>Friday November 9th
>
>7:30pm Causes and Consequences
>Open discussion facilitated by Mary Boger and Biju Mathew
>Mary Boger is an international solidarity activist in the Middle East, the
>Caribbean, Latin America and East Timor and is writing a dissertation on
>the realities of living in a Palestinian Ghetto in Israel after living
>there for four years.
>Biju Mathew is an activist working with the Forum of Indian Leftists, New
>York Taxi Workers Alliance and the Youth Solidarity Summer.
>
>9pm Movement & words
>Dancers Makiko, Ashley Searles, Jennifer Kjos, Marija Krtolica
>poet Eliot Katz
>with Sabir Mateen, David Brandt music
>
>10pm Untempered Ensemble, minus 1
>Bill Cole, Warren Smith, Joe Daley, William Parker, Cooper-Moore, Sam
>Furnace
>
>11pm Quantum Group
>Charles Waters, Matt LaVelle, Suzanne Chen
>
>Saturday November 10th
>
>7:30pm Groups Taking Action
>Organizing for a more peaceful and tolerant world
>Invited organizations include: Arab American Family Support Center, Jews
>for Racial & Economic Justice, Taxi Workers Alliance, New York: Not in Our
>Name Coalition, Brooklyn Poster Brigade, DRUMM, and others.
>Q & A to follow.
>
>9pm Dave Brandt's Gaia Consort
>Shoko Nagai, Stuart Bogie, Matt LaVelle, Terrence Murren
>with Luciana Achugar, Levi Gonzalez dance
>
>10pm Billy Bang & Frank Lowe Duo
>
>11pm Jordan McLean's Fire of Space
>Steve Swell, Stuart Bogie, Shoko Nagai, Geoff Mann, Michael Herbst
>
>Sunday November 11th
>
>7:30pm Dr. Mansour Farhang
>Terrorism and Anti-Americanism
>Dr. Farhang is a former United Nations ambassador from Iran and is
>currently a professor of Diplomatic History/International Relations at
>Bennington College in Vermont and an advisory board member of
>Middle East Watch, a branch of Human Rights Watch. Q & A to follow.
>
>9pm Okkyung Lee's Miro Trio
>Ori Kaplan, Tom Abbs
>
>10pm The Andrew Lamb Trio
>Will Halsey, Ardrei Strobert, Hill Greene
>
>11pm Andrew Bemkey & Andrew Barker Duo
>
>All performances and lectures taking place
>@ The Brecht Forum
>122 West 27th Street 10th Floor, Manhattan
>1/9 to 28th, C/E to 23rd, F to 23rd, 6 to 28th, N/R to 28th
>
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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 00:05:13 +0100
From: "Remco Takken" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Speed

> Hello,
>
> Chris Speed as a composer:
>
> - What is his music like?
>
Speed dives deeply into eastern european stuff akin to klezmer: bulgarian,
turkish etc. His jazz influences intermingles with the worldmusic stuff, and
he seems to love long and slow phrases, when he approaches a selfpenned jazz
melody.
His EMIT contains some great examples, next to his earlier solo album
'Deviantics', for he touches upon different styles he explores with his
close
colleagues.

One of Speed's great goals is to create really different atmospheres with
the help of a relatively small circle of musicians around him. They are:
Brad Shepik, Jim Black, Skuli Sverrisson, Cuong Vu, most of them originally
out of Seattle, like Speed.

So it is very interesting to check out titles outside of Speed's own
relatively small solo catalogue: his ambitions in music go far beyond 'solo
projects'. I haven't heard the group Human Feel myself, but Speed talks
affectionately about this band, his first group. Human Feel made two cds on
Songlines.

The bands Pachora and Jim Black AlasNoAxis tell a lot about Speeds musical
thinking. To dive deeper into the scene Speed is coming from, it is also
rewarding to check out Brad Shepik's The Well, and The Loan, as well as
Skuli Sverrissons album Seremonie (on Extreme records). NB: Speed does not
play on those last three, but it is the whole scene that is the point here.
> - Is Songlines the only label he has
> recorded for (as a composer)?
>
I know Pachora is on the Knitting Factory label, he collaborates a lot with
Brad
Shepik in that group, but also brings in 'All Speed'-titles. I think they
have 3 cds out on KF. Their title 'AST' sounds great in my ears.

Hope this helps
Remco Takken



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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:59:01 -0500
From: "Jesse Kudler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Zorn Live?????

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Nirav Soni" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: John Zorn Live?????

> Myself, I'm trying to decide whether or not to check out White Out with
> Diamond Jim O'Rourke on the 8th. Anyone have anything to say about White
> Out? I know zero about the band.

It's Lin Culbertson on keyboards and some other stuff (autoharp? flute?) and
Tom Surgal on drums.  He's played with Thurston Moore, Arthur Doyle and
sundry other NYC free jazz types.  I saw White Out at least once, maybe
more.  I distincly remember seeing them with Kevin Drumm a year or two ago.
Pretty nice, definite free-jazz bias in contrast to Mr. Drumm's stuff.  I.E.
Surgal's drumming is pretty neatly post Sunny Murray, Rashied Ali, etc.
I've heard bits of the White Out/O'Rourke CD on Ecstatic Peace.  Very busy
and almost psych-rocky at times.  Lots of goofy digital noises and beeps and
so forth.  O'Rourke plays computer and guitar both.

For what it's worth. . .

- -Jesse


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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:12:59 -0500
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Speed

Very nice evaluation of Speed's work, Remco.

Human Feel only made one disc for Songlines, as well as one for New World,
one for GM, and one self-released on the "Human Use" label (that's in
reverse chronological order, BTW). You can find more information on all of
them in Speed's discography at www.screwgunrecords.com, assuming that those
pages have been left up since I handed the page off.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Remco Takken

>I haven't heard the group Human Feel myself, but Speed talks
affectionately about this band, his first group. Human Feel made two cds on
Songlines.


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Date: Wed,  7 Nov 2001 03:36:01 -0500
From: "patbor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Thanks...

Thanks Steve Smith and Remco Takken
for your precious informations about
Douglas and Speed.

Patb


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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:47:23 -0600
From: Moudry <[e-mail]>
Subject: New Brotherhood of Breath

Just a quick, but massive, THANK YOU to Cuneiform Records for the new
Chris McGregor/Brotherhood of Breath CD, Travelling somewhere.
Although it will take a few weeks, the entire concert will go on my
Creative Improv programme.

If you haven't heard it, you're missing some very vital music.

Saturnally,
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School of Education, UAB

Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra & Free Jazz);
<http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~moudry>
Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creative Improv on Alabama Public Radio
WUAL 91.5 FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham
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"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
    --de la Vega

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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:13:45 +0100
From: "francesco martinelli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: New Brotherhood of Breath

Listening to it when your message arrived and shivering to the music. This
is as good as it gets. A little annoyance are the liner notes, with shallow
observations "there never was a trumpeter like Mongezi" and the attribution
of Kongi's Theme to Wole Soyinka! Someone who's allegedly been researching
these topics should know better... but the music is top Brotherhood!
Francesco


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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:20:52 -0500
From: jmcazurin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: New Brotherhood of Breath

Hello -

   Your comments got me all interested. I've never heard of this group
though. Can you tell me what they're like? Would I be able to obtain this
record in NYC?

   Thanks very much,

mikah



At 01:13 PM 11/7/2001, you wrote:
>Listening to it when your message arrived and shivering to the music. This
>is as good as it gets. A little annoyance are the liner notes, with shallow
>observations "there never was a trumpeter like Mongezi" and the attribution
>of Kongi's Theme to Wole Soyinka! Someone who's allegedly been researching
>these topics should know better... but the music is top Brotherhood!




I am dancing at the feet of my lord,
knowing the eternal secret is this:
in all worlds and lives and times,
all is bliss, all is bliss, all is bliss.


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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 17:16:47 -0500
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: New Brotherhood of Breath

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>Hello -
>
>   Your comments got me all interested. I've never heard of this
>group though. Can you tell me what they're like? Would I be able to
>obtain this record in NYC?


    It should be pretty widely available besides the usual
spots(DMG, Other Music), you could always order it direct from
Wayside. Their online store seems to be up and running now.
(www.wayside music.com) and there is info on the band at ;
http://www.cuneiformrecords.com/bandshtml/brotherhood.html.
    It's a fantastic disc, and if enough of us buy it maybe Steve
will think about doing more in this vein. There is a great recording
of the BoB offshoot group Isipingo at the same club that would make a
wonderful follow-up(hint,hint)

RW

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