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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #604 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, October 31 2001 Volume 03 : Number 604 In this issue: - Laswell Witness in Barcelona Too good for Punk, was: Re: fela & laswell nmperign in France 04/11 to 06/11 Le Quan Ninh Re: Le Quan Ninh Fwd: Re: Le Quan Ninh Re: Laswell RE: Too good for Punk, was: Re: fela & laswell Re: Too good for Punk, was: Re: fela & laswell Re: Too good for Punk, was: Re: fela & laswell RE: Le Quan Ninh RE: Maybe Monday angry zorns ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 02:43:01 -0500 From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com> Subject: Laswell Since Laswell is being discussed so much...What are the opinions of the list on the Pathalassa Remixes by Laswell and others? I like the original material immensely, but are the remixes worth listening to? I would agree with Skip on his statement about musicianship being the space between the mind and hands, but I think the heart should be considered. There are many players who were not extraordinary that their instrument, but they put everything they have into playing it. These players are often more interesting than non-emotive highly-skilled player, IMHO Zach - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:52:44 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Witness in Barcelona Hi everyone! I apologize for my English once again. Dave Douglas' Witness L'Auditori- Barcelona October 30, 2001 Yesterday I knew I'd see something great. Douglas' Tiny Bell Trio and his string group already spoke about a musician of endless possibilities and his latest release, "Witness", didn't dissappoint. But the thing was how could the man bring such complex compositions onto the stage with a small ensemble (compared to that on the album) and specially (in my case), what the role of those two great keyboard players, Saft and Taborn, would be. The former's contributions were not that remarkable, but Taborn did teach a lesson on free improvisation with some incredible moments. Some were suspicious about the blend of electronics and jazz (and so much more) but restricting those passages to certain "ambient" moments made the perfect contrast with noisier collective improvisation, in which Michael Sarin proved to be such an imaginative percussionist. His fierce free-drumming focused a rythym section in which Drew Gress remained almost unheard (although he didn't stop playing like a possessed, the controlled chaos barely allowed us to hear him). Needless to say, Douglas was superb and contrarily to what he mentions on the album's liner notes, he conducted the two keyboards during the middle section of the 25-minute piece "Mahfouz" (w/ Tom Waits on the album). With a relatively fluent Spanish, he thanked all Catalans for the support towards the American population in these difficult times. Someone told me after the concert he had perceived a Miles Davis' spirit in Witness' music. I don't. What we heard and saw was much closer to contemporary classical composers like Ligeti and Yves, IMHO, with the unmisikably boppish Douglas' sound and great doses of heavy free-improv. I would like to encourage everyone who has a chance to see the Witness tour to go out now and buy a ticket. You won't regret it. Best, EfrΘn _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicaci≤n instantßnea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:06:56 +0100 From: "Remco Takken" <r.takken@planet.nl> Subject: Too good for Punk, was: Re: fela & laswell > > As for the virtue of playing badly, I never heard anyone say X played "too > well" for punk cred, and God knows the musicianship was uniformly high. Wasn't that why Bassplayer Glen Matlock was thrown out of the Sex Pistols? Because he played too well? At least in Europe, it was regularly said about The Police and The Stranglers, them being too good for punk rock. The Stranglers were seen as 'routined pubrockers' and The Police were quickly put in the New Wave basket, were other 'good' musicians like Talking Heads would also fit. > distance from your mind to your hands. You may have the greatest idea in > the world, but it's meaningless if you can't articulate it convincingly. > This is as true in music as it is in speech. > Sometimes journalists do it for you. I have no idea how many thoughts and ideas are being edited into shape by writers, who just can't make enough of one's outings. The artists themselves can hide behind the fact that 'everything was taken out of context' when something went wrong. But I fear that many a time, a musician only gets confronted about his own great musical thoughts in a musical magazine that they are featured in. Why? Many a word stumbler is seen as a sort of a rough diamond. People like Captain Beefheart, John Lennon, and in a lesser way even Jimi Hendrix, had great journalist/ media friends who made their inarticulate cryptos sound like streetwise one-liners, and deep 'intuitive' aphorisms. Unedited footage of where the famous 'wisecracks' were originally taken from, scare the shit out of every devoted fan. Remco Takken - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:27:51 -0800 (PST) From: Grey ElkGel <greyelkgel@yahoo.com> Subject: nmperign in France 04/11 to 06/11 nmperign in France: 04/11 (Sun) Festival DensitΘs, near Verdun FRANCE w/ nmperign 05/11 (Mon) Instants ChavirΘs, Paris FRANCE w/ nmperign+Le Quan Ninh 06/11 (Tues) APO33, Nantes FRANCE w/ nmperign+Le Quan Ninh ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' nmperign Greg Kelley: Trumpet Bhob Rainey: Soprano Saxophone Since their beginnings in 1998, nmperign has continually pushed the boundries of their respective instruments as well as the boundries of improvised music. They have made appearances at the Big Sur Experimental Music Festival(Big Sur, California), the East Bay Creative Music Festival(Oakland, California), and the Autumn Uprising Festival(Boston, Massachussetts), in addition to countless venues throughout the United States and Europe. They have released 2 CDs on the Twisted Village label and one on Intransitive Recordings(with electronic music guru Jason Lescalleet), which have earned them much acclaim, including Top Ten and/or Best of the Year picks from The Wire(UK), Blow-Up(Italy), and Signal-To-Noise(USA), among others. Their most recent CD has just been released by the prestigious Selektion label in Germany. "The nmperign approach is to begin with nothing, and to go from there. Whereas most musicians' sound contains references to certain stylistic precursors and/or influences, Rainey and Kelley seem to have evolved out of the ether." - - David Prince, The Santa Fe Reporter "Their language has clear antecedents...but the closer you listen, the less familiar the duo's dialect sounds, with its volatile and idiosyncratic balance of wriggling abstraction and severely rationed lyricism." - - Bill Meyer, The Chicago Reader "...an epic of widescreen American beauty." - - David Keenan, The Wire "Seems like they could do anything, anytime." - - Ian Nagoski, Halana "The bottom line is that these guys know what they're doing and...do it well." - - Mitchell Foy, Atlanta Press GREG KELLEY(Trumpet) Greg Kelley graduated from the Peabody Conservatory of Music in 1995, returning to his native Massachusetts shortly thereafter. Upon moving to Boston in 1996, he soon became an integral member of the cityÆs burgeoning experimental improvisation scene, garnering much praise for his unique vocabulary of extended techniques and timbral manipulation. In 1998, Kelley began a pattern of dedicated travelling, performing throughout the United States, Europe, and Japan. These travels have led to collaborations w/ a coterie of international artists including Pauline Oliveros, Anthony Braxton, Le Quan Ninh, Phil Minton, Joe McPhee, Paul Lovens, Keiji Haino, Eddie Prevost, Kevin Drumm, John Butcher, Donald Miller, Fred Lonberg-Holm, Gino Robair and Michael Zerang. Greg has released recordings on Twisted Village, Intransitive, Selektion, Meniscus, RRRecords, Emanem, Tautology, Leo Lab, and 9Winds. He is a citizen of the Kingdoms of Elgaland-Vargaland. "The instrument is anatomised, splayed and pinned out for close inspection, a fleshy outcrop of tubes and valves. The resonant chamber wheezes and exhales, sputters and exudes. Blemishes are magnified in whispers and growls. You can hear the spittle glisten. " - - Julian Cowley, The Wire BHOB RAINEY(Soprano Saxophone) Bhob Rainey has played with John Zorn, Joe McPhee, Pauline Oliveros, Eddie Prevost, Kevin Drumm, Fred Lonberg-Holm, Michael Zerang, Gino Robair, Joe and Mat Maneri, Don Byron, Tom Nunn, Hal Rammel, Pandelis Karayorgis, Jack Wright, Steve Drury and many others. A resident of Boston, New York, and Chicago, he is perpetually on the road, performing in venues across the U.S. and Europe. He has received numerous honors, including a Meet the Composer grant. His solo CD, ink., was chosen as one of the top ten CDs of 1998 by Cadence Magazine. Two of his releases were selected in Signal To Noise's top ten releases of 1999 - the solo work, The Withered Grasses, and nmperign's first CD, 44'38"/5. Rainey holds a Masters of Composition from the New England Conservatory where he studied with Paul Bley, Ran Blake, Joe Maneri, Pozzi Escot and Lee Hyla. He has recorded for a variety of record labels, including CIMP, Twisted Village, Sachimay, Intransitive, and Tautology. His most recent release is a split LP w/ Kevin Drumm on the Italian Fringes label. "Rainey's utterly distinct approach to playing the soprano saxophone - an intensely physical determination to take the instrument beyond all obvious limits. He works outside of idiom, pummelling a column of breath, eliciting refracted tones, overblowing ferociously. Closer to Antonin Artaud than Sidney Bechet." - - Julian Cowley, The Wire "There's a solemn longing to Rainey's playing that makes it akin to the song of a nearly extinct species. He offers up what seems to be mothing less than a microtonal hymn to mortality... His sound is pure and beautiful, even when he's delivering multiphonics or streams of harmonics." - - Walter Horn, Cadence __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 18:35:08 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Le Quan Ninh Hi everyone, Sorry but, who/what is Le Quan Ninh?. Whatever it is, will be playing in Barcelona next week and I'd like to know if it's interesting. Thanks a lot. Best, EfrΘn _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicaci≤n instantßnea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:43:25 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Le Quan Ninh In a message dated 10/31/01 12:37:23 PM, efrendv@yahoo.es writes: << who/what is Le Quan Ninh?. Whatever it is, will be playing in Barcelona next week and I'd like to know if it's interesting. >> Ninh is one of the premier percussionists in the world, working both in improv and in modern classical. his web site is at http://ninh.free.fr, there's a bio on the Euro Free Improv site (www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/), and there was just a long audio sample posted at www.allsound.org. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:14:08 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es> Subject: Fwd: Re: Le Quan Ninh Thanks to you all for the Le Quan Nihn info. I checked the websites you recommended and will definitely go. Next week will be a hard one in Barcelona, financially speaking: Nov 9: Le Quan Nihn; 11: Derek Bailey and 10: zorn-lister Duncan Youngerman. Thanks again. Best, EfrΘn _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicaci≤n instantßnea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:17:13 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Laswell I guess I can be counted as one of the lone big Laswell fans out here. While I can't say that the originality factor is very high of late, I must admit that I find almost everything I've heard has been entertaining in most senses of the word. - -- =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:33:47 -0500 From: "Matthew Mitchell" <matmi@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: Too good for Punk, was: Re: fela & laswell - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII That's a heck of a generalization there. I'd be hard-pressed to describe Beefheart as a 'word-stumbler,' myself. His vocabulary alone seems to far surpass that of the 'great' journalists that attempt to shed light on his 'inarticulate cryptos.' - -matt mitchell Many a word stumbler is seen as a sort of a rough diamond. People like Captain Beefheart, John Lennon, and in a lesser way even Jimi Hendrix, had great journalist/ media friends who made their inarticulate cryptos sound like streetwise one-liners, and deep 'intuitive' aphorisms. Unedited footage of where the famous 'wisecracks' were originally taken from, scare the shit out of every devoted fan. Remco Takken - - - --- Matthew Mitchell - --- matmi@earthlink.net - --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1251"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>That's a heck of a generalization there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'd be hard-pressed to describe Beefheart as a 'word-stumbler,' myself. His vocabulary alone seems to far surpass that of the 'great' journalists that attempt to shed light on his 'inarticulate cryptos.'</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-matt mitchell</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"><FONT size=2> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Many a word stumbler is seen as a sort of a rough diamond. People like</DIV> <DIV>Captain Beefheart, John Lennon, and in a lesser way even Jimi Hendrix, had</DIV> <DIV>great journalist/ media friends who made their inarticulate cryptos sound</DIV> <DIV>like streetwise one-liners, and deep 'intuitive' aphorisms. Unedited footage</DIV> <DIV>of where the famous 'wisecracks' were originally taken from, scare the shit</DIV> <DIV>out of every devoted fan.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Remco Takken</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P></P></FONT> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>--- Matthew Mitchell</DIV> <DIV>--- <A href="mailto:matmi@earthlink.net">matmi@earthlink.net</A></DIV> <DIV>--- EarthLink: It's your Internet.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:39:18 -0800 From: "s~Z" <keithmar@msn.com> Subject: Re: Too good for Punk, was: Re: fela & laswell >>>I'd be hard-pressed to describe Beefheart as a 'word-stumbler,' myself.<<< Perhpas he meant 'words-tumbler.' - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:42:20 -0800 From: "s~Z" <keithmar@msn.com> Subject: Re: Too good for Punk, was: Re: fela & laswell >>>Perhpas he meant 'words-tumbler.'<<< Perhpas I meant perhaps. Back to lruking. - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:41:57 -0700 From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" <M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu> Subject: RE: Le Quan Ninh I think Ninh's playing surpasses interesting by a large margin. An opportunity to experience a solo performance of his is a very unfortunate thing to miss. Matt (I organized his performance at Colorado College last year at this time.) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:03:28 -0800 From: "Jim McLoughlin" <jim@webmind.com> Subject: RE: Maybe Monday Hi - --- I went and saw Konk Pack instead at TUVA in Berkeley which I think was a bit of a let down. For me Roger Turner was the highlight of the band,always propelling the band and having quite a collection of noisemaking toys I haven't seen before. Thomas Lehn had what appeared to be an old foldup modular analog synth.While Lehn visually was quite animated, all the sounds seemed the same and very primitive...Other members of the audience seemed to really enjoy it though. Maybe just not my cup of tea. - --- I saw this show as well. I agree that Roger Turner drove the music, but Lehn and Hodgkinson followed his lead well, and for me that was just fine. Turner was not necessarily "grooving", but I felt he provided a strong sense of rhythmic pulse/tension underneath the music, the lack of which often makes me lose interest in electro-acoustic improv performances. Just my $0.02. Jim M - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:03:06 -0500 From: "Nirav Soni" <nirav@ink19.com> Subject: angry zorns Surprised there was no mention of this on the list...I thought about going, but my friend is dressing up as a Ninja Turtle for the Halloween Parade...plus, there's a copy of "Begotten" this demands watching tonight. 7:30, 9:30 & 11:30 KENNETH ANGER FILM BENEFIT EVENT In conjunction with in*situ (an Austin-based media arts collective), Anthology presents an evening of music and film in tribute to Kenneth Anger. Proceeds generated will go towards funding Anger's proposed GNOSTIC MASS film project. In addition to the presentation of the complete MAGICK LANTERN CYCLE, the evening will be interspersed with live music performances by JOHN ZORN and BILL LASWELL, both of whom will bring along their own array of guest musicians. There will be three separate seatings at: 7:30, 9:30, and 11:30. Ticket prices for the benefit screening and performance will be $15 per seating or $30 for the entire night. Kenneth Anger will be in attendance at each seating to introduce the films. The second screening will include the premiere of a newly completed film: THE MAN WE WANT TO HANG, focusing on the artwork of Aleister Crowley, Anger's acknowledged spiritual mentor. The title is both a punning reference to the outraged threats often directed at Crowley by arbiters of morality, and the fact that Anger shot the film at a London art gallery which was presenting the rare collection of drawings and paintings (all hung together!) for the first time since 1931. A special guest for the evening will be James Wasserman, who will give a short introductory talk on the Gnostic Mass, the central ritual of the OTO, and the subject of Anger's proposed new film. The OTO is the hermetic order which was first proclaimed by Theodore Reuss and two other high grade Masons in 1902. Aleister Crowley was appointed head of the English speaking world in 1912 and world head in 1922. We would like to express our deepest thanks to John Zorn for the generous gift of his time and remarkable talent in coordinating the musical component of this evening, and we also wish to thank Bill Laswell for taking time out of his busy performing and recording schedule to bring his formidable talents into the mix of this evening. For additional information regarding the Gnostic Mass film project or to make further donations, please contact the coordinator of this benefit event: jon ausbrooks @ 512-452-3809 / 512-485-3199 x-1355 or by e-mail at son8image@hotmail.com. This will be the first in a series of benefit events to raise further funding for the Gnostic Mass film project. Events are planned for several other U.S. cities, as well as Bristol (U.K.), London, and Paris, all with a live music component. The series will culminate with the screening of the finished film at the end of next year. MAGICK LANTERN CYCLE 1947-80, 160 minutes. The complete MAGICK LANTERN CYCLE includes nine exhilarating short films made by Kenneth Anger over the course of 33 years, illustrating his obsession with cinema, the occult and faded Hollywood glamour. The films are: FIREWORKS, PUCE MOVEMENT, EAUX D'ARTIFICE, INAUGURATION OF THE PLEASURE DOME, SCORPIO RISING, KUSTOM KAR KOMMANDOS, INVOCATION OF MY DEMON BROTHER, RABBIT'S MOON AND LUCIFER RISING. Cheers! Nirav - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #604 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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