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Zorn List Digest     Wednesday, September 12 2001     Volume 03 : Number 565



In this issue:
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       The Tragedy
       Re: NYC
       Re: NYC Zornlisters OK?
       re: Def Jux/NYC Zornlisters OK?
       Re: NYC Zornlisters OK?
       Odp: Odp: Polish talent
       Odp: NYC Zornlisters OK?
       Re: Zornlisters OK?
       Fwd: [coil] From Alt.prophecies.nostrodamus
       Nyc
       reading
       Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #564
       Re: NYC Zornlisters OK?
       World Trade Week
       Re: NYC Zornlisters OK?
       RE: World Trade Week
       Re: World Trade Week
       Re: NYC Zornlisters OK?
       RE: World Trade Week

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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:36:14 +0200 (MET DST)
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Fruitman)
Subject: The Tragedy

Deepest condolences from Sweden to all the American members of the lists.
Sweden too is shocked, outraged and shares your grief. I=B4m dedicating this
morning=B4s teaching to the incident.

Stephen Fruitman
Dept of Historical Studies
Ume=E5 University
SE-901 87 Ume=E5 Sweden



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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:10:23 +0200
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NYC

Hi y'all.

I don't know what everyone else thinks, but wouldn't it be best if we
kept this sort of discussion off the list?

There are so many different people on the list, so many people from
different cultural backgrounds - and I can unfortunately see this kind of
thread go very nasty.

My suggestion for those listmembers who want to discuss the issue: start
a yahoogroup.

patRice


William Crump wrote:

> Benjamin Pequet wrote:
>
> >  as racist statements start to florish,
>
> This is unfortunate, if true. Could you cite some examples of "racist
> statements" to back this up?
>
> > US are taking this as an act of war
>
> This is appropriate, isn't it? Is there another way we should take it?
>
> > Peace.
> >
>
> Amen.
> William Crump
>
> -


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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:17:33 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: NYC Zornlisters OK?

In a message dated 9/12/01 3:49:52 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< There was a van full of bombs driving across the George
Washignton Bridge. >>

FWIW, this was a false rumor according to CNN, at least the last I heard.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:23:36 +0100
From: [e-mail] (PMC)
Subject: re: Def Jux/NYC Zornlisters OK?

* Taylor McLaren <[e-mail]>
>Meanwhile, at least a couple of very brave New Yorkers took to the stage
>here in Toronto tonight and tried to keep everybody's spirits up in spite
>of what they must have been feeling all day long, so I want to give a big,
>public thumbs-up to the Def Jux crew just for showing up. Bush's lame
>speech aside, I hope that *this* is the sort of American spirit that we
>can look forward to in the near future.

Yeah, I'll second that!  I wondered if they would make it, but since
they were already in Canada last night (Montr=E9al), it wasn't a problem.
Great show, IMO, esp. Cann Ox.  Very glad they stayed positive.

Too bad Aesop was sick though ...


- -P



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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:58:21 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Ricardo Reis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NYC Zornlisters OK?

    Can utter a word except relief knowing all of you are alive. (only
hit me this morning: "fuck, maybe there were guys i know in there. fuck,
fuck, fuck.)

    going to hear A love supreme,

                 Ricardo Reis

                "Non Serviam"


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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:20:34 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: Odp: Polish talent

- ----- Original Message -----
From: patbor <[e-mail]>

> Thanks Marcin. perhaps, do you knows any
> title of Milosc's recordings?

Their first album was called Taniec Smoka (the dance of the dragon),
the live with Bowie was titled 'not two'. I'll check out the others.
Milosc plays now without Mozdzer, with leader Tymanski on guitar
instead of bass, and with Olo walicki on bass. Their drummer, Jacek
Olter ,  is dead (suicide).


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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:32:09 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: NYC Zornlisters OK?

It may be a silly question, but is there any way we (the europeans)
can help?
Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem
you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:05 AM
Subject: RE: NYC Zornlisters OK?


> I was just at the towers last week, on my way to the ferry to the
beach at
> Sandy Hook, NJ.
>
> I was awakened by my sister who called from Florida, and switched on
the TV.
> I saw the second plane strike, and the first tower fall. I left the
room for
> five minutes and when I came back, there were no towers left.
>
> My girlfriend and I went to give blood, and were turned away because
there
> was too much activity.  They took our phone number. Maybe tomorrow.
So we
> walked down to the river and sat on a rock, and looked at a vast
plume of
> smoke where those towers used to be. Anyone who's ever been here
knows that
> you could see them from everywhere in town. Hell, we could see them
from the
> beach at Sandy Hook. Just last week.
>
> We live in a Queens neighborhood full of mosques. Our Bangladeshi
neighbors
> and I are all looking at each other with real sympathy. In general,
Muslims
> in New York have been warned not to wear their religious garb for
the next
> few days. This afternoon we saw a car full of rowdy white boys
waving a flag
> out of their car, blowing their horn as they drove down the street
in a
> small convoy, and we feared that things could get ugly real easily.
>
> Part of me thinks I'll wake up tomorrow morning and they'll still be
there.
> Even as a non-native New Yorker, the thought that they won't be
there makes
> me feel so cold.
>
> Thanks for all the concern, everyone. Let's pray that tomorrow we
don't all
> wake up to Gulf War II.
>
> Steve Smith
> [e-mail]
>
>
> -
>


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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 07:28:01 -0400
From: Stephen Drury <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zornlisters OK?

Hi all - just wanted to pass along that I've been in touch with Erik
Friedlander and Jenny Choi in NYC; they're OK and they've spoken to Zorn on
the phone.  All quite shaken but OK.

- --steve


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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:36:38 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: [coil] From Alt.prophecies.nostrodamus

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Forwarded from another list.  This is a redirect to google groups, which
used to be dejanews, the largest usenet reporsitory.  Notice the title of
the message, and the date posted.  This would be difficult to spoof, and
with others reactions to the original post, it would appear that Xin
actually posted the message on 8-31.

Freaky.

jim
http://www.assasins.net
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From: will
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:11 PM
Subject: [blacksun93] (unknown)


> These links were sent to me earlier today.  It's very strange.
>
> Will
>
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> | >
> | > Read these in order and look at the dates.  I must admit it's
> eerie.
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:18:50 -0300
From: "Gabriel Lichtmann" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Nyc

A big pat in the shoulder to everyone of you who lives in NYC, you wil get
ahead. I can't tell you how shocked everyone was here in Argentina, it was a
sad day. Many of us here have friends who had recently moved to New York
because of the economic crisis, and we were the whole day waiting to hear
from them.
I fear is that this type of attack will be more common from now on, it has
been going on for year in the rest of the world but this attack marks the
begining of a new era, a new type of war.
Welcome to the 21 st century.

GABRIEL


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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:24:49 -0500 (EST)
From: "emmanuel.dechenaux.1" <[e-mail]>
Subject: reading

It's too late for the summer reading list, but if you still have time to
turn a page or two this Fall, I suggest Barry Yourgrau's "Haunted
travelers." It's a lot more real than surreal, I came to find out! The
stories are really short (4 to 5 pages on average) and they go straight to
the point, with awesome descritpions and a lot of poetry. This is really,
really good. My apology if Yourgrau is unbelievable famous and you've all
read everything he wrote. I'm a newcomer.

"So mystifying..."
Emmanuel




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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:57:49 +0200
From: "Verstraeten Stefan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #564

Glad to know that "the belgians on the List" have an official
spokesman....... I did not know.

Best wishes,
Stefan Verstraeten

[e-mail]

- ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rob Allaert <[e-mail]>
> Subject: NYC
>
> Sincere condolences for the people in NYC from the Belgian members of the
> List.



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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:53:32 -0400
From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NYC Zornlisters OK?

At Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:36:17 EDT, Fish wrote:
>I don't know how I feel.  I know that I was tired all day and now my neck
>is so stiff I can't turn my head more than 20 degrees in any direction.  I
>cried a few times and couldn't say why.  I don't want to know where the
>nearest bomb shelter is.  I don't want to learn the duck and cover
>method.  I don't want my gung-ho idiot friends to enlist and go get killed
>in a desert somewhere.  I want to sleep when I'm tired and go to school
>when I have to.  I want my comfort back and I want my fucking skyline.

I feel the same way.  I saw the whole thing except the first crash from my
job downtown.  The only thing you could do is just watch in total disbelief
and horror at the whole thing.  Not surprisingly, a lot of the commentators
on the tube kept comparing everything to some sci-fi movie because there's
no reference in our lives here to really comprehend all of this otherwise.

I wound up taking several co-workers to my place for the day until all the
transit was working again.  When I walked them back to the subways later,
we saw Army personnel with machine guns directing traffic.  Thinking back,
the only other time I'd seen such a thing was in Jerusalem and Pretoria.

Thanks for good wishes from all outside of NYC- I hope you have to
experience anything like this where you are.

Best,
Jason



Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
[e-mail]
http://www.furious.com/perfect


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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:26:52 -0400
From: "Sh *" <[e-mail]>
Subject: World Trade Week

Greetings.  I know things are hectic in NYC presently, though I am curious
to know if John Zorn is going to be playing anytime soon.  Call me selfish,
though I just have to hear what comes out of that horn after all that has
happened since yesterday.  Were there any gigs slated, or perhaps any new
ones that have popped up?  And, what else is going on that would be worth
checkin' out?  Thanks in advance.

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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:29:17 -0700
From: Tosh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NYC Zornlisters OK?

I totally agree with this letter.  The next couple of weeks are crucial.  I
hope everyone on this list are sound and safe.



- --
Tosh Berman
TamTam Books
http://www.tamtambooks.com

> That's what disgusted me so much about the constant recycling of the
> footage of the little party that somebody thought to film in Arab East
> Jerusalem... the first time it was described to me this afternoon, it was
> with the words "they're all jumping up and down and dancing over there".
> Between that and a media-described (Canadian) expert on the American
> intelligence and military communities saying that he didn't think that the
> American public would necessarily bother sharing proof of anybody's guilt
> or innocence with the rest of the world before stamping mudholes, I'm very,
> very frightened about how the next couple of weeks might turn out.
> Meanwhile, at least a couple of very brave New Yorkers took to the stage
> here in Toronto tonight and tried to keep everybody's spirits up in spite
> of what they must have been feeling all day long, so I want to give a big,
> public thumbs-up to the Def Jux crew just for showing up. Bush's lame
> speech aside, I hope that *this* is the sort of American spirit that we can
> look forward to in the near future.
>
> -me
>
>
>
> -
>
>


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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:45:12 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: World Trade Week

You can't be serious.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Sh *
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:27 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: World Trade Week


Greetings.  I know things are hectic in NYC presently, though I am curious
to know if John Zorn is going to be playing anytime soon.  Call me selfish,
though I just have to hear what comes out of that horn after all that has
happened since yesterday.  Were there any gigs slated, or perhaps any new
ones that have popped up?  And, what else is going on that would be worth
checkin' out?  Thanks in advance.

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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:12:39 -0400
From: "Sh *" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: World Trade Week

I'm not going to delve into this, for I'm not at all attempting to start a
debate.  Music just means different things to different people.  But if I
were an improvising musician living in NYC yesterday, I would feel
overwhelmed with thought/feeling after the events that transpired, as many
of us have who don't even live in the city.  And what would I want to do
most?  I would want to play my horn.  We all know that music can be a very
deep thing, so why not allow art to play a cathartic part?

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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:51:27 -0400
From: "Nirav Soni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NYC Zornlisters OK?

> How are you people doing?

This cloud of smoke over here around Union Square (in fact, throughout lower
Manhattan from what I understand) is getting me down. It's kind of strange;
I just moved to NYC about 3 weeks ago, and when I finally get used to the
noise, it goes *quiet*. I'm thinking of heading to my aunt's house in New
Jersey soon, does anyone know how hard it is to get in and out of Manhattan?
Or which subways/trains/buses are going?

take care,
Nirav
- --
AIM: Icefactory37
OnNow- soon to be Kiarostami's "Close Up"
"One can not be at the same time all eye and all ear. "- Robert Bresson




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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:46:48 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: World Trade Week

I don't debate your point at all regarding music and expression.  Earlier
this morning I told a non-New York musician friend who cancelled a gig
yesterday - because he couldn't see the point of playing "Giant Steps" last
night - that I hoped he would be back to play "Alabama" tomorrow, because we
need the arts to remind us that the human spirit is real, lasting and
indomitable.  He responded that "What's Going On?" would be his show-opener
for a while.

No, it was a certain tone of nonchalance I *inferred* from your post that
gave rise to my reaction.  I have no doubt that it was unintended. But such
a tone is a luxury we can't quite countenance just yet in this city with a
big fucking hole in it (though I personally won't presume to speak for other
New Yorkers and New Jerseyites on this list).  The reality strikes home when
you look today and see nothing but a wispy, submissive little white cloud
wafting from the ruins.

To address your point more directly, however, the entire city south of 14th
Street is closed for business today - cars and buses aren't allowed down
there, and subways aren't stopping.  That includes Tonic (where Dave
Douglas's Witness was to have played tonight), the Knit, and virtually any
other place where such events might have been held.

If I seem to be on a short fuse, I apologize.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
(who's been cranking Morbid Angel and Emperor on the headphones to affect
catharsis today...)


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