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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #559
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Zorn List Digest Monday, September 3 2001 Volume 03 : Number 559
In this issue:
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RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert
Re: Tobias Schneebaum
RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert
Re[2]: Ribot's guitar
Re: SC3
Re[2]: Ribot's guitar
dj logic recommendations?
Re: King Tubby / Dub (NO ZORN CONTENT - SORRY!)
Re: King Tubby / Dub (NO ZORN CONTENT - SORRY!)
re: Bobby Digital
New Patton project?
NJZ FS: Alboth!, Z*F, K.K. Null/A.N.P., Muslimgauze etc.
JMT reissued
Sept. Strings, nxt Sat.
RE: Shepp Supreme
Re: Shepp Supreme
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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 12:10:10 -0500
From: "&c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert
I don't know the accuracy of this...but CDNow has the Olatunji Concert and
Spiritual both slated for release on 25 September.
I would also like to know about that alternate version of A Love Supreme...
Zach
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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 11:25:52 -0600
From: Dan Frank Kuehn <smokey@laplaza.org>
Subject: Re: Tobias Schneebaum
Tobias Schneebaum, what a guy!
Haven't seen the movie, but the book, Keep the River on Your Right, was
great, and don't skip the sequel, Cannibal !
Dan
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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:23:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert
Then , of course, there are the tapes which Bob Thiele
made at Coltrane's funeral, where Albert Ayler's band
and Ornette Coleman's trio played. The tapes *do*
exist, but whether they will ever appear commercially
in our lifetime is another matter.
In a Cadence interview Joe McPhee also said that the
OC trio did an absolutely killer set at the club at
which it was playing the night of the funeral and that
Ornette definitely taped that.
In an earlier interview Bobby Bradford said Coleman
has reels and reels of tape with all sorts of
musicians -- don't forget his jam session with Ayler
- -- but he (OC)doesn't take good care of them. Who
knows whether any of those will ever be heard by
others.
Mantime the record companies spend time
re-re-re-releasing the same discs over and over again.
Ken Waxman
- --- Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote:
> There seems to be some debate as to whether the
> 'Love Supreme' outtakes with
> Shepp and Art Davis actually exist, or were
> preserved. The album's liner
> notes verify that said recording took place,
> however, and Shepp told me in
> an interview that a Japanese collector had played
> him rough cassette dubs of
> them.
>
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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:59:36 -0400
From: Peter Gannushkin <shkin@shkin.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Ribot's guitar
Hello Maurice,
I guess it was from my web site -
http://www.downtownmusic.net/pictures/pictures.asp?artist=Marc%20Ribot.
Saturday, September 01, 2001, you wrote to me:
MR> Anyone have the URL of this image?
MR> Thanks!
MR> Maurice
MR> At 3:58 PM +1000 9/1/01, Julian wrote:
>>Just looking at a picture which I believe was taken at "The Gift" launch.
>>Ribot is playing a bright (white or silver) guitar with a retro/surf kind of
>>shape, the headstock is a similar shape to the body. It's also got a huge
>>tremolo bar. Anyone know what kind of guitar this is?
NP: Zony Mash "brand spankin' new" (CD)
- --
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: shkin@shkin.com
URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/
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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 12:19:01 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: SC3
On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 11:09:18AM -0400, Taylor McLaren wrote:
> In other parts, I was just putting away a big stack of records and ran
> across the _Ghost Dog_ soundtrack that I had been asking about when the
> list went blooey last time, and I remembered that I had wanted to ask
> somebody: what's on the Japanese CD that didn't make it to the (actually
> pretty disappointing... I'm hovering on the brink of adding the Wu Tang
> Clan to my list of critics' lies) North American double-vinyl effort?
Not having heard anything else by Wu-Tang that I can recall (or having
seen the movie -- I have it on video but haven't gotten around to it),
I really liked this album. Somewhat of a hodgepodge of things, but I
enjoyed the tracks and how they were put together. It stayed in my car
CD player for a couple of weeks.
- --
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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 14:15:41 -0400
From: Maurice Rickard <maurice@mac.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Ribot's guitar
Oh, easy. It's a Supro. Which model I'm not sure (possibly a
Belmot), but it's definitely a Supro. They're long gone, but you can
find them used, usually at (what I consider) unreasonable prices.
Sometimes they go for surprisingly little, though.
HTH,
Maurice
At 1:59 PM -0400 9/1/01, Peter Gannushkin wrote:
>
>I guess it was from my web site -
>http://www.downtownmusic.net/pictures/pictures.asp?artist=Marc%20Ribot.
>
>
>MR> At 3:58 PM +1000 9/1/01, Julian wrote:
>>>Just looking at a picture which I believe was taken at "The Gift" launch.
>>>Ribot is playing a bright (white or silver) guitar with a retro/surf kind of
>>>shape, the headstock is a similar shape to the body. It's also got a huge
>>>tremolo bar. Anyone know what kind of guitar this is?
>
- --
Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/
- -
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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 17:28:20 -0700
From: mwisckol@ocregister.com
Subject: dj logic recommendations?
sorry if this has been asked before....
- -
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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 22:59:29 -0700
From: "Tom Knott" <tknott@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: King Tubby / Dub (NO ZORN CONTENT - SORRY!)
The Blood and Fire label has several good King Tuby CD's:
Dub Gone Crazy
Dub Gone 2 Crazy
Dub Like Dirt
Freedom Sounds In Dub
Yabby U, King Tubby's Prophesy of Dub
The Pressure Sounds label also have a King Tubby CD coming out.
Both these labels are great for Dub.
also check out Lee Perry
tom
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 02:21:43 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: King Tubby / Dub (NO ZORN CONTENT - SORRY!)
In a message dated 9/2/01 1:53:47 AM, tknott@ix.netcom.com writes:
<< The Blood and Fire label has several good King Tuby CD's:
Dub Gone Crazy
Dub Gone 2 Crazy
Dub Like Dirt
Freedom Sounds In Dub
Yabby U, King Tubby's Prophesy of Dub >>
Freedom Sounds In Dub is my favorite of these, and my Lee "Scratch" Perry
pick is another Blood and Fire release, Congos-Heart Of the Congos.
also, the compilation just out on Blood and Fire, Darker Than Blue, all
"versions" of American soul songs, is their best release in a while. lastly,
for a taste of more recent dub, Mad Professor's song by song deconstruction
of Massive Attack's Protection, No Protection, is pretty essential.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 05:41:24 -0400
From: Taylor McLaren <toast@primus.ca>
Subject: re: Bobby Digital
MEEP! Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote:
>Anyone heard RZA's new Bobby Digital release on Koch?
Sadly, it fosters a lot of the same ambivalence that I have towards other
Wu-Tang outings. On the one hand, it's really nice to see that he's past
the point of needing to sample kung-fu movies just because it's his
trademark or gimmick; there's even one track that goes so far as to call
him out on "all that fucking Brooklyn shit, Shaolin shit... nigger, grow
the fuck up", etc., and doesn't resort to any of the glock-go-pop nonsense
in trying to describe his life in three minutes or less. On the other,
though, I really doubt that I could listen to most of the disc while
anybody that I know (particularly any woman I know) is within earshot...
there's enough bitch this, bitch that, bitch-get-on-the-floor, and
gun-waving going on (mostly courtesy of the large cast of MCs -- described
to pretty hilarious effect on rec.music.hip-hop as "a whole lot of C-list
Wu-Fam" -- who just happened to be in the studio, which is what normally
drives me away from most Wu-Tang efforts) that I just can't relate to much
of what is being said.
I know that some people find this sort of thing (especially when it comes
from ODB) to be cartoonishly funny in much the same way that you can laugh
off or ignore the lyrics barked out by metal vocalists, but there's
something about hearing it from a group that connects with so many people
around the world that I can't help but be scared and saddened by the whole
thing... I guess it's a little like how David Tibet confessed to being sent
scurrying off to the bathroom to cry by most Krautrock, because I can't
imagine what life must be like for somebody to identify with so much of
what is being said, and it feels cheap and insincere for me to be glomming
on that by spending twenty bucks at the local mall just before buying a
birthday card for my grandmother and dropping eighty bucks on magazines at
a nearby chain bookstore afterwards.
Still, there are some great textural moments tucked away underneath the
lifestyle bits, and many occasions on which I just had to back the disc up
to appreciate a sudden change-up in the beat or glitchy edit that just
sounded so *right*. That's probably why I was looking forward to hearing
the instrumental material from "Ghost Dog" so much... as a producer, there
is some really intensely great stuff pouring out of the RZA's head, and not
all of it on _Digital Bullet_ is laid down solely to provide a base for
some random guy to just spurt his ego all over it. Like most of the guy's
efforts, though, I think I'd be a more comfortable listener sticking to the
instrumental versions.
- -me
- -
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 13:35:06 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: New Patton project?
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 10:59:18 +0100
From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (PMC)
Subject: NJZ FS: Alboth!, Z*F, K.K. Null/A.N.P., Muslimgauze etc.
I have the following items for sale
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 19:25:23 +0200
From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@emd.pl>
Subject: JMT reissued
I saw first three CDs from the reissue series of JMT catalogue by Winter &
Winter. The packaging will be as usually by Winter - paper box. All have the
same design: dark dlue or black (don't remember exactly), no graphics or
pictures, just a piece of paper sticked around the box. Big, standard
typeset on this piece or wraping-paper. It will look very nice on a shelf,
since the side of the box look the same on all CDs. They will be numbered,
it will be very difficult to avoid the temptation to buy them all just to
have nice collection on the shelf ;-) Stefan Winter is smart guy, no
question.
__________________________________________________________________
Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] muzyka.emd.pl
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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 18:02:04 +0000
From: "Kurt Gottschalk" <ecstasymule@hotmail.com>
Subject: Sept. Strings, nxt Sat.
Neues Kabarett presents
September Songs: an evening of quiet strings
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Okkyung Lee - cello
Neel Murgai - sitar, daf
Kenta Nagai - guitar
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Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 02:16:38 -0400
From: "josephneff" <jneff@visuallink.com>
Subject: RE: Shepp Supreme
Hello,
....the word that I'd heard on the alternative recording of "A Love
Supreme" w/ Shepp is that the tapes do indeed exist, but that Mike Cuscuna
finds the sound quality to be substandard, so it's doubtful that we'll see
it released anytime soon. A drag, really.
....y'know, I've recently been listening to some live Roland Kirk,
and have been wondering about an old cassette of live stuff that was
released back in the early 90's called "The Man Who Cried Fire". Was this
ever issued on CD? If so, how easy is it to obtain? I've lost track of the
tape (either stolen or left under the seat of one of many used cars I
possessed in the mid 90's) and the music was just smokin'. I'd love to
replace it. It had one of the greatest sax blues that I've ever heard, flute
workouts, multiple horn blasts, some great Kirkian raps, a bit from "When
the Saints go Marching In", a Miles Davis impression, etc. Sadly, I can't
even recall the label this was on, but the were originally, and possibly
always, cassette only. Any info, of course, will be much appreciated.
....some recent positive experiences include.....
Charles Gayle "Jazz Solo Piano" CD
Neutral Milk Hotel "On Avery Island" and "In the Aeroplane Over the Sea"
CDs
Steve Lacy "Soprano Sax" CD
Woody Allen "The Night Club Years 1964-68" 2LP
"The Anthology of American Folk Music Vols. 1-3"
"Magnolia" DVD (2nd viewing)
I remain....
Joseph
NP: "Otis Redding Live in Europe" LP
NR: Herman Melville "Billy Budd"
John Barth "The Friday Book"
- -
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Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 02:16:50 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Shepp Supreme
In a message dated 9/3/01 1:54:48 AM, jneff@visuallink.com writes:
<< I've recently been listening to some live Roland Kirk,
and have been wondering about an old cassette of live stuff that was
released back in the early 90's called "The Man Who Cried Fire". Was this
ever issued on CD? >>
yeah, I have this on CD, on one of Joel Dorn's many labels, Night Records,
distributed by Virgin. I'd be stunned if it's still in print, but really I
have no idea.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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