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Zorn List Digest      Saturday, September 1 2001      Volume 03 : Number 558



In this issue:
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       Re: W&W, SC3, RealAudio, Watts/Keltner
       RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert
       Re: W&W, SC3, RealAudio, Watts/Keltner
       Re: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert
       Ribot's guitar
       new glenn gould Radio Doc release
       Age, Sabbath, Zorn, Coltrane
       Re: JMT
       RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert
       Re: JMT
       Re:  RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert
       Re: Ribot's guitar
       re: SC3
       Keep the River on Your Right
       Re: Ribot's guitar
       King Tubby / Dub (NO ZORN CONTENT - SORRY!)
       RE: Age, Sabbath, Zorn, Coltrane
       RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert
       RE: SC3

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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:15:15 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: W&W, SC3, RealAudio, Watts/Keltner

Dang It,

Didn't Winter & Winter used to have a cleverly arranged site when they
first got going a few years ago???

Just have to put another plug in for those Secret Chiefs previews -
Whew!   - NP, by the way.  Those boys are marching to another drummer -
some A-rab rock drummer.  Yow.  Cheep, too, at $11 for 25 or so tunes...
http://www.midheaven.com/labels/web.of.mimicry.html

Anybody know the logistics of putting Real Audio samples on a site?
Expensive software, license?

Another odd possible gem: Charlie Watts/Jim Keltner Project - all tunes
named for their drummer/percussion heroes:
 1. Shelly Manne
 2. Art Blakey
 3. Kenny Clarke
 4. Tony Williams
 5. Roy Haynes
 6. Max Roach
 7. Airto
 8. Billy Higgins
 9. Elvin Suite
Heard some interesting samples at http://www.jpc.de  Anybody heard more?

Many things on my mind,
Dan in Taos

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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 00:54:17 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert

About the new Impulse! release 'Spiritual,' ICE says nada -- I'd wondered
that very thing myself.  The release was listed, but, alas, no details.  My
guess is that it's previously available stuff - them rekkid company peeps DO
like to pat themselves on the back anytime they get their hands on something
genuinely "unreleased."

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Beethoven String Quartet Op. 132 - mvt 3, Artemis Quartet (Ars Musici)


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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 15:10:10 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: W&W, SC3, RealAudio, Watts/Keltner

> Didn't Winter & Winter used to have a cleverly arranged site when they
> first got going a few years ago???

I do remember a site, don't remember it being particularly cleverly arranged
however...

> Just have to put another plug in for those Secret Chiefs previews -
> Whew!   - NP, by the way.  Those boys are marching to another drummer -
> some A-rab rock drummer.  Yow.  Cheep, too, at $11 for 25 or so tunes...
> http://www.midheaven.com/labels/web.of.mimicry.html

Anyone else having problems with these files? I've got most of them to play
after much perseverance, but some are still just timing out..



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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:34:04 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Frank Malczewski)
Subject: Re: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert

Actually, there's been some discussion about these releases in the
Coltrane mailing list.  I didn't pay much attention to this particular
release, as I think it is indeed (just/mostly?) reissued material.

Seems like, however, that Verve has been getting a few 'new' tidbits
here and there from the Coltrane estate (i.e., Ravi) and sprinkling them
about on their more recent/upcoming CDs.  E.g., the recent greatest hits
package has a unreleased studio version of a song (can't remember which,
"Impressions" maybe).  And they're supposedly reissuing/remastering
other CDs and will include a new cut or two.  So, if you want
everything, you'd probably have to buy just about every CD they put out
or reissue.

I don't know.  I think Coltrane is the greatest, but even my completist
impulses have been dampened by this approach.  The claim is that some of
this 'newer' material may show up later in a more appropriate format
(i.e., not just part of some other rerelease), but with Verve I'll
believe it when I see it.

Other Coltrane news: Pablo is about to put out a 7CD set of live in
Europe (I think from the early 60s) material, apparently a significant
amount of it never before released.  Don't know about the sound quality
either, but likely some of this stuff will sound a lot better than the
boots we've been subjected to over the years, as the tapes are from
Norman Granz (same source for the earlier Pablo releases).  I've heard a
9/28 release date for it.

- --Frank

> About the new Impulse! release 'Spiritual,' ICE says nada -- I'd wondered
> that very thing myself.  The release was listed, but, alas, no details.  My
> guess is that it's previously available stuff - them rekkid company peeps DO
> like to pat themselves on the back anytime they get their hands on something
> genuinely "unreleased."
>
> Steve Smith

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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 15:58:05 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ribot's guitar

Just looking at a picture which I believe was taken at "The Gift" launch.
Ribot is playing a bright (white or silver) guitar with a retro/surf kind of
shape, the headstock is a similar shape to the body. It's also got a huge
tremolo bar. Anyone know what kind of guitar this is? I think I can make out
an 'S' as the first letter on the headstock...

Thanks,
Julian.


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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 03:09:26 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: new glenn gould Radio Doc release

In a message dated 8/30/01 1:28:40 PM,
[e-mail] writes:
<< From: James Hale <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Glenn Gould (zero Zorn content)

Here in Canada, Gould is almost as well known for his (non-musical) work ...
number of major documentaries for CBC Radio, including a
stunning sound-montage called 'The Idea Of North' that was way ahead of its
time (especially given that it's all manually edited using razor blade and >>

HOWDY fellow ZORN-LISTERS,
In the Naxos America new release list in today's mail was the CBC disc
(Naxos distribs CBC in USA) of 2 Gould radio Docs from the early 70s:
 one of Pau Casals, the other on Stokowski, on a 2cd set, PSCD-2025-2.
I own "The Idea Of North,' part of a 3cd set called 'The Solitude
Trilogy," and think a great many of you would enjoy it.
Havent heard the new releases yet, of course.
Yrs
Steve Koenig
n.,p.: (just got a machine for) DVD: Die Walkure: Levine, Met Op
n.r.: naxos new release catalog- w/ a new antheil ballet mechanique

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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 07:22:11 -0400
From: "Jeton Ademaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Age, Sabbath, Zorn, Coltrane

Hi All,

Age:
I believe Tonic and the Knit pseudo-advertise themselves as "18 to enter, 21
to drink" because of NYC's evil tude to clubs, but I've never seen either
place card someone for mere entrance. As teenagers, a friend and I would
take his pre-teen brother to the knit all the time. I still remember Last
Exit at the knit in '90, me and my friend stuck back about 4 people deep
(which mattered cuz there was a 6'5" GORGEOUS skinhead blocking our view,
and while lysergically enjoying the auditory aspect of one of life's
greatest possible shows, visually me and Brian had to watch skinhead beat
out RSJ's rhythms against the back of his girlfriends' unhappy neck!) while
Scotty (his then 12 yo brother, looking 9ish) simply wormed up front and I
watched both Sonny Sharrock and Pete Brotzmann play musical lines directly
to him. Also, I've recently seen kids running around at shows at both Tonic
and the Knit. However, in it's difficulties the knit is frequently finding
or resurrecting old or illogical 'rules' to 'enforce' lately, and with
sporadic consistency. Give 'em a call, and whatever they say be prepared for
it or it's opposite!

Sabbath:
More on the Castle tip... Black Sabbath I is a weird issue on the Castle
label. on the plus side, it's remastered from the master tapes  (u hear MUCH
new detail n structure) AND has Sab's 1st single "Evil Woman" on it (which i
didn't know existed till i got this edition) but on the minus side it
appears the the master tape had degenerated a bit. "Wicked World" is the big
issue, it's hi-hat line sounds muffled even as the rest of the track is more
fleshed out. Worse, "WW" is now the LAST song on the album (after 'warning')
and in it's place is "evil woman" which, while interesting, is actually
sucky compared to the rest of their classic oevre (better then 'technical
ecstasy' by light years, tho) "evil woman' was also mastered differently n
sounds outta place. I still keep my old cheap American release of "Black
Sabbath" for these reasons. "Paranoid" and "Master of Reality" experience
the best effect on the new label (u can hear and discern EVERY WORD in
'Planet Caravan' for example). They're really too heavy to be believed.

Zorn:
Steve (Koenig) (Helllllllooooooooooooo, btw:) ), i found some other concert
at Columbia on Nov. 29th. I found no listing for Zorn at all. Can u give
more details?

Coltrane:
Steve (Smith): thanks fer the Coltrane info, I'm surprised no one's released
it till now! I expect it'll be a very emotional recording to hear for many
people.

peace fer now, all :)
- ------------------------------

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:54:07 -0500
From: "&c." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tonic and Knitting Factory

Are shows at Tonic and the Knitting Factory all ages or do you have to be 21
to enter.  A young friend of mine is visiting New York and is looking for
good concerts.  Thanks for the help.

Zach


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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 10:25:10 -0400
From: "Alan Lankin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: JMT

Has W&W listed a schedule?


Alan Lankin
[e-mail]
http://jazzmatazz.home.att.net


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Sent: August 30, 2001 3:59 AM
Subject: JMT


>
> Winter & Winter just announced that they are reissuing the whole JMT
catalog
> in chronological order starting this September with 3 CDs every month...
>
> Andreas
>


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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 14:52:42 +0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert

>From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
>
>About the new Impulse! release 'Spiritual,' ICE says nada --

What about the important stuff that was touted a few years back when Impulse
started reissuing the Trane stuff, like the alternate Love Supreme with
Archie Shepp? Alice has a cache of unreleased tapes...

np: James Brown Live At The Apollo Volume II Deluxe Edition

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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 10:59:51 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: JMT

In a message dated 9/1/01 10:39:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

> Has W&W listed a schedule?
>


They don't have a website, but if you email them your snail mail address
they'll send you a hard copy of their release schedule.

[e-mail]

Tom


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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 11:04:33 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert

>What about the important stuff that was touted a few years back when Impulse
>started reissuing the Trane stuff, like the alternate Love Supreme with
>Archie Shepp? Alice has a cache of unreleased tapes...

if i remember correctly from the coltrane list, ravi seems to be mostly in
charge of whatever archives the coltrane family has, and the because of his
own careere, he doesn't have a ton of time to devote to it.

dave
bill laswell/mick harris/eraldo bernocchi/lori carson discographies :
http://www.geocities.com/slntwtchr

coming soon - mickharris.net and eraldobernocchi.net....

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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 11:08:05 -0400
From: Maurice Rickard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ribot's guitar

Anyone have the URL of this image?

Thanks!
Maurice

At 3:58 PM +1000 9/1/01, Julian wrote:
>Just looking at a picture which I believe was taken at "The Gift" launch.
>Ribot is playing a bright (white or silver) guitar with a retro/surf kind of
>shape, the headstock is a similar shape to the body. It's also got a huge
>tremolo bar. Anyone know what kind of guitar this is?
- --
Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/

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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 11:09:18 -0400
From: Taylor McLaren <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: SC3

MEEP! [e-mail] wrote:
>Just have to put another plug in for those Secret Chiefs previews -
Actually, this is pretty cool... it's nice to hear that the material they
played on their last tour has finally found its way to disc. (All of five
samples into the list, I've already recognized two of my favourite passages
from the half-hour jam that they played with members of Estradasphere at
their show in Toronto last May. Okay, make that three sections now that
I've finished typing that sentence.)

In other parts, I was just putting away a big stack of records and ran
across the _Ghost Dog_ soundtrack that I had been asking about when the
list went blooey last time, and I remembered that I had wanted to ask
somebody: what's on the Japanese CD that didn't make it to the (actually
pretty disappointing... I'm hovering on the brink of adding the Wu Tang
Clan to my list of critics' lies) North American double-vinyl effort? Are
the actual cues from the movie available, or was there some other batch of
bonus material altogether?

Finally, I wanted to thank the list as a whole for being such a great
ongoing source of random musical chatter. I've finally started to check out
the Residents and other Ralph names (on the strength of previous
discussions of same) over the last few weeks, and the results have
dramatically brightened an otherwise dismal stretch at the office. Merci.

- -me
(Make that five passages from the SC3 show... I guess I'll be ordering a
copy of this new album now.)



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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 11:55:51 -0400
From: Dennis Summers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Keep the River on Your Right

This may have already been mentioned, I'm ashamed to say I'm a little
behind in my reading. I just saw the documentary "Keep the River on Your
Right" about the gay artist/anthropologist/cannibal. It was a fine movie,
but for all you people who want to know of all things Zorn related, John
Zorn's name appears in the "thank-you" credits at the end of the movie, and
if I caught the fast moving credits correctly music from Steve Bernstein on
Tzadik was used in the film.

yours in zornocity --ds

Dennis Summers
Quantum Dance Works
members.home.net/dennisqdw/


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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 08:58:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nathan Earixson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ribot's guitar

Possibly a Schecter Hellcat?
http://www.schecterguitars.com/products/g4_main.htm

- -nme!
- --- Julian <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Just looking at a picture which I believe was taken at "The Gift" launch.
> Ribot is playing a bright (white or silver) guitar with a retro/surf kind of
> shape, the headstock is a similar shape to the body. It's also got a huge
> tremolo bar. Anyone know what kind of guitar this is? I think I can make out
> an 'S' as the first letter on the headstock...
>
> Thanks,
> Julian.
>
>
> -
>


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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 18:32:49 +0200
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: King Tubby / Dub (NO ZORN CONTENT - SORRY!)

Hey boys & girls...

My memory is getting worse and I'm not sure if this has already been
talked about here... but anyways:

What CDs / records would you recommend as a starting point for King
Tubby's work?
And/or are there any other dub producers/artists you feel I should also
lend an ear to?

Thanks for your help!

patRice

np: NWA, 100 Miles And Runnin'
nr: Nick Hornby, How To Be Good



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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 12:38:59 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Age, Sabbath, Zorn, Coltrane

Jeton:

Thanks for the detailed descriptions of the Castle Sabbath issues.  Got to
admit, I felt mighty conflicted yesterday when I got to Tower Records and
the Warner versions of all of the Sabbath classics were on sale for a measly
$7.99 apiece... but I somehow refrained.

As for the Zorn concert on November 29, I'll step in for Steve K. and
mention that if it was the Miller website you consulted, they've still got
last year's schedule posted.  The Zorn concert is indeed happening on
November 29th this season.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Hedwig and the Angry Inch, "The Origin of Love," OST (Hybrid) -
possibly the best movie I've seen this summer...


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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 12:44:50 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert

There seems to be some debate as to whether the 'Love Supreme' outtakes with
Shepp and Art Davis actually exist, or were preserved.  The album's liner
notes verify that said recording took place, however, and Shepp told me in
an interview that a Japanese collector had played him rough cassette dubs of
them.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Tommy Gnosis, "Wicked Little Town," 'Hedwig and the Angry Inch' OST
(Hybrid)

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of thomas
chatterton

What about the important stuff that was touted a few years back when Impulse
started reissuing the Trane stuff, like the alternate Love Supreme with
Archie Shepp? Alice has a cache of unreleased tapes...


- -

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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 12:49:16 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: SC3

Yes, I remember your query - perhaps superstition kept me from bringing it
up again (again again again again again again again again again...).

I don't know what was on the US double LP you mention, but the Japanese CD
issue was touted as being the one and only release of the music cues from
the film.  It's grown on me a bit, but it still feels rather slight.

Anyone heard RZA's new Bobby Digital release on Koch?

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Hedwig and the Angry Inch, "Wig in a Box," OST (Hybrid)

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Taylor McLaren

In other parts, I was just putting away a big stack of records and ran
across the _Ghost Dog_ soundtrack that I had been asking about when the
list went blooey last time, and I remembered that I had wanted to ask
somebody: what's on the Japanese CD that didn't make it to the (actually
pretty disappointing... I'm hovering on the brink of adding the Wu Tang
Clan to my list of critics' lies) North American double-vinyl effort? Are
the actual cues from the movie available, or was there some other batch of
bonus material altogether?


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