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Zorn List Digest       Tuesday, August 28 2001       Volume 03 : Number 553



In this issue:
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       Re: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)
       Re: SABBATH
       Re: SABBATH
       Seattle Recommendations (No Zorn content)
       Arto Lindsay "Ecomixes"
       Re: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)
       Napalm Death recommendations?
       serge recs
       Re: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)
       RE: Napalm Death recommendations?
       Philip Corner
       Re: Napalm Death recommendations?
       RE: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)
       Napalm video
       Re: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)
       RE: Napalm Death recommendations?
       Re: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)
       RE: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:17:06 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)

funny question...
I'm not a sabs fan anymore, but i used to listen to losads of claasic hard
rock some tim ago (i stopped 6 years ago) and was quite fond of them
(although they never beat my favourite Deep Purple).
So:
the first four (BS, paranoid, Mastewr of reality are all classics. Thre's
also a live form after vol 4, which is quite OK, very punk rock. But parts
of it are on studio as bonus tracks, so you can check out the live by buing
the studio stuff. I'd recommend paranoid, and master of reality - they're
really great, but the other two are also very good.
Sabbath bloody sabbath has a gorgeous title tune, but is more 'art rock ' on
the whole. OK.
Later albums w. Ozzy are ok, but you can live without them for a moment.
    As for the later vocs, the albums with Dio and Gillan are OK. As for
dio, i recommend 'live evil' (although the miles's version is better ;-)),
where you get all the callsics of both ozzy's and dio period sung by dio. if
i remeber correctly, you were an Iron Maiden fan - you'll like that one.
The gillan album ('born again') is IMO great, a comeback to a darker sound.
Do NOT buy later albums.


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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:24:47 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: SABBATH

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "David Beardsley" <[e-mail]>


> The album with Purples Ian Gillan, Never Say Die is great too. He was
Jesus
> in the original
> London cast production of Jesus Christ Superstar (I think) and after his
> 1st gig with Deep Purple, he ended up in Black Sabbath. Hee-he....


Geez...
don't you know that it's a bad thing to lie? ;-)
Never say die featured Ozzy, gillan's album is 'born again' - very good,
gillan has a great voice, very natural. But he played MUCH MORE then a
single gig with DP (4 studio albums  plus legendary 'made in japan' live,
various live albums released later 70 - 73, then 84 - 89 & 94 - now)


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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:41:16 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: SABBATH

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>

> 'Never Say Die' was the last Ozzy album, as Michael pointed out.  The one
> with Gillan was 'Born Again.'  In between came the first two records with
> Ronnie James Dio, 'Heaven and Hell' and 'Mob Rules,' both of which are
> brilliant records if not really the same band stylistically as the
Oz-period
> Sab was.

Exactly. As i said, the live evil is the best thing of the first dio period
IMO.

>He did another one a lot later that I never heard, having pretty
> much tuned out completely when they started to be something like Tony
> Iommi's version of Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow, with a rotating cast of
> mostly second rate singers.

It was in early '90s, can't remember album's title, but it was WEAK.

> (Gillan, by the way, didn't go straight from Deep Purple to Sabbath.  In
> between, I know that he had a band under his own name.  I never heard
them,
> mind you, but they always had ads in 'Smash Hits,' the trashy British pop


He had two different bands in between leaving purple and joining BS. first
he had a jazz-rock outfit called Ian Gillan Band, they had three studio
albums and a live one, live at the budokan. The interesting thing is that
the tune scarbus had a very similiar melodic line to gillan sabs tune
'disturbing the priest' (if memeory serves, i'm sure there was a tune with
that very melody on that album, i'm not sure which one it was). A year
latrer i discovred that the meoldy was from Crimson's hit '21st century
schiziod man'. The second band was more of a pop metal thing, called Gillan.
In the early '90s he played under 'ian gillan' brand

> Thanks, Jeton, for the advice about the Castle reissues.  I've long wanted
> to pick up the classic Sab albums on disc, but I'd been leary of getting
the
> Warner CDs, figuring they'd be just as you've described them.

Did i miss anything?

Marcin Gokieli






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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:50:21 -0400
From: "Ajda Snyder" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Seattle Recommendations (No Zorn content)

Hullo,

I'm going to Seattle next week and I would be so grateful if anyone has
suggestions on CD shops/clubs/events/restaurants/cafes.

You guys helped out with Paris so much, I didn't even get to all the
places...

Please respond privately.

Thanks ever so much,
Ajda the Turkish Queen
http://mp3.com/turkishqueen
http://wmbr.mit.edu/schedesc.html#binge
http://drawbridge.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:18:14 +0200
From: Pascal Cortes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Arto Lindsay "Ecomixes"

Anyone heard this one ?
I've just discovered it on a big online store (no sound samples). It's an
album featuring remixes of Lindsay's wonderful "Prize" as well as four live
tracks (Pode Ficar, Ex Preguica, Interior Life, and Unsure).
It's a japanese import, so, still expensive, but, if it's good....
Any opinions ?

Pascal.

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:26:09 -0700
From: "Revue des Fossiles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)

>Do NOT buy later albums.

What,and miss out on ICE-T's classic contribution to straight to the cut out
bin "Forbidden" or the teleprompter reading antics of "Reunion?"  Gee . . .
I even have a soft spot for the Wayne World's single sporting Dio line-up
reunion "Dehumanizer," everyone here seems to dismiss.

- - RdF.

NP.  Philip Corner.  Oracle, an electronic cantata on images of war: strike
week version.

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:26:51 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Napalm Death recommendations?

Where should I start with ND?

Thanks,
Tom

______________________________________________________________________
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and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music."

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:35:43 -0400
From: jason tors <[e-mail]>
Subject: serge recs

hello, I am interested in learning more about serge gainsbourg, if
you have some suggestions please email me privately.

Thank you!!

J%

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:54:17 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)

On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 08:26:09AM -0700, Revue des Fossiles wrote:

> NP.  Philip Corner.  Oracle, an electronic cantata on images of war: strike
> week version.

Is that on CD?

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:44:30 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Napalm Death recommendations?

1. From Enslavement to Obliteration

The "classic" Lee Dorrian/Bill Steer/Shane Embury/Mick Harris lineup, though
as any hardcore fan can tell you, by then there was not one single original
band member left - and it was their second album!  True!  This is the source
of the gutteral nanosecond-long blasts that so enticed Zorn circa 'Spy Vs.
Spy' and 'Torture Garden,' and provides a dandy mix of impulses - Embury and
Harris don't stray so far from the band's punk roots coming out of bands
like Crass, but Dorrian was influenced by proto-doom metal and Steer always
did have a bit of the stoner guitar hero in him.  Still, classic.

2. Utopia Banished

The first great album by the second "classic" lineup in my opinion - the
lineup that's still together.  This is a lot more like standard death metal,
since that's where four-fifths of the band came from (only Embury is left
from the earlier lineup at this point).  Mark "Barney" Greenaway is one of
the great, great cookie monsters and the lyrics are some serious tortured
emo. He's the only straightedge member of the band, and I think that's
pretty clear in his overall style.  Danny Herrera is one of the great, great
grindcore/death metal drummers.

3. Enemy of the Music Business

The new one from the lineup of number two.  Following 'Utopia Banished,'
lots of things happened: ND found themselves on Columbia Records (through a
misguided and ill-fated licensing deal), made some slightly more
experimental records (slower tempos, clean vocals), lost their singer
(Barney quit and went to Extreme Noise Terror, whose Phil Vane replaced
Barney - then before they recorded they sacked Vane and asked Barney to come
back), and left their label.  There's probably one amazing album's worth of
material spread across the four post-'Utopia' albums, and each is better
than its predecessor.  But jump straight to this one instead... they tone
down the experimentation in favor of more straightforward slam-bang.  Plus
it's the best they've ever been recorded... Danny's snare is an crisp as Roy
Haynes's, and sometimes the wall of downtuned guitars sound just like an
unholy cross between Phil Spector and Glenn Branca, if I listen real loud on
headphones.  Oh, so beautiful.

If you dug this stuff, go for broke.  And consider the 'Complete BBC
Sessions' if you want to hear this stuff live.  And if you dig Crass-style
punk, that's what a lot of the early half of 'Scum' (the first album
recorded with two different lineups) sound like.  That one has more or less
original guitarist Justin Broadrick (Godflesh) on guitar and Nik Bullen
(ex-Scorn) on bass.  The other half is Dorrian, Steer, and bassist Jim
Whitely.

I also strongly recommend ND live, for anyone who is genuinely inclined
toward this music - they're tight and pummelling, and Barney is one of the
most weirdly wired frontmen I've ever seen - it's like there's a live wire
running up his leg or something.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
hallucinatin' after pulling an all-nighter for work...


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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:40:24 -0700
From: "Revue des Fossiles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Philip Corner

> > NP.  Philip Corner.  Oracle, an electronic cantata on images of war:
>strike
> > week version.
>
>Is that on CD?
>


Yes.

Philip Corner:  On Tape from the Judson Days (Alga Marghen Plana-C 4NMN.019)

Check the usual mailorder sources - Anomalous, FE, et. al.

Enjoy!

- - RdF.

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:19:50 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Napalm Death recommendations?

>Where should I start with ND?

Classic early line up records in chronological order.

'Scum' LP
'From Enslavement To Obliteration' LP
'Peel Sessions' MLP
'Mentally Murdered' MLP

All are available on CD.

Also recommended is the 7" that came with initial
copys of 'FETO' and the split 7" flexi with S.O.B.
Both records are hard to find, but the tracks have
been reissued on CD. If all else fails, plenty of
bootlegs exist.

Also try to get 'Hatred Surge' demo. It's available on
punk tape label lists as a bootleg along with some
rehearsal tracks, etc. Otherwise, there's plenty of
traders who have it. Great tape. It's suprisingly
slower that what you'd expect. A hint of what was to
come...

And to confuse this even more these 'semi-official'
bootlegs are great also, albeit hard to find.

'Extremity Retains' LP
'The Grindcrusher Tour' LP

As for recent NAPALM DEATH, I'd only recommend 'Enemy
Of the Music Business' LP.

'Utopia Banished' is good, I suppose, it's alot better
than 'Harmony Corruption' anyway, but I was starting
to lose interest then, so...

Seriously, for me, you can't go wrong with any of the
others.


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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:35:03 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)

What about the OZZY release "Bark at the Moon"?  Isn't this a live-all BS-
stuff album?  Don't know the band that plays in it (I think it's after Randy
Rhoads death).

Neil H. Enet
- ------------

NP. COCTEAU TWINS: head over heels / sunburst and snowblind


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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:33:29 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Napalm video

I recently picked up Napalm Death's LIVE CORRUPTION on Earache video.  This
is a powerful live show taped at Salisbury Arts Centre, England on June 30,
1990 and features the line-up of Mick Harris, Mark "Barney" Greenway, Shane
Embury, Jesse Pintado and Mitch Harris.  Short interviews with the band
members are interspersed between the live performance.

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:37:38 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)

In a message dated 8/28/01 1:30:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

> What about the OZZY release "Bark at the Moon"?  Isn't this a live-all BS-
>  stuff album?  Don't know the band that plays in it (I think it's after
Randy
>  Rhoads death).
>
>  Neil H. Enet


"Bark At The Moon" came after Randy Rhodes died.  I saw this tour at the old
Boston Garden,  with Motley Crue and Waysted opening.  Ozzy was deep in the
fat drunk phase of his career.  Jake E. Lee provided capable guitar.  It's a
weak album compared to "Blizzard of Ozz" and "Diary of A Madman," IMHO.  In
fact, I'd rate BOO and DOAM much higher than Sabbath's "Never Say Die" or
"Technical Ecstacy."

Tom

______________________________________________________________________
Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately,
and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music."

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:40:32 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Napalm Death recommendations?

I remember this as being a pretty decent tape, but I still prefer the later
version of the band with Danny Herrera, who ain't the musical visionary that
Mick Harris is, but who is certainly the more precise timekeeper, which is
critical to their saw-tooth cog music.

I got rid of the VHS a long, long time ago when I purged a bunch of
prerecorded videos.  But if they get around to issuing it on DVD, I'll be
likely to pony up.

Speaking of Earache DVD, anyone seen the new Carcass disc yet?  Two live
sets plus music videos is what I've heard about it, but I've never found it
in stores locally - only Cathedral, which frankly don't do much for me.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Bartok, Concerto for Orchestra - Mvt V, Boston/Koussevitsky (BSO)

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 1:32 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Napalm Death recommendations?


I recently picked up Napalm Death's LIVE CORRUPTION on Earache video.  This
is a powerful live show taped at Salisbury Arts Centre, England on June 30,
1990 and features the line-up of Mick Harris, Mark "Barney" Greenway, Shane
Embury, Jesse Pintado and Mitch Harris.  Short interviews with the band
members are interspersed between the live performance.


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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:52:58 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)

In a message dated 8/28/01 1:38:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> "Bark At The Moon" came after Randy Rhodes died.  I saw this tour at the
old
>  Boston Garden,  with Motley Crue and Waysted opening.  Ozzy was deep in
the
>  fat drunk phase of his career.  Jake E. Lee provided capable guitar.  It's
a
>
>  weak album compared to "Blizzard of Ozz" and "Diary of A Madman," IMHO.
In
>  fact, I'd rate BOO and DOAM much higher than Sabbath's "Never Say Die" or
>  "Technical Ecstacy."
>
>  Tom


I should have mentioned that "Bark At The Moon" was a studio album.  Off the
top of my head I can't remember the album line up beyond Jake E. Lee on
guitar, but the show I saw featured Carmine Appice on drums.  The bass player
escapes my memory.  The live Ozzy album that was released immediately
following Rhodes' death was "Speak of the Devil," which featured Brad Gillis
(of Night Ranger fame) on guitar, Rudy Sarzo (Quiet Riot) on bass, and Tommy
Aldridge (Black Oak Arkansas) on drums.  It's actually a pretty good album of
Sabbath material.

Having junior high flashbacks,
Tom

P.S.  Thanks for all the great Napalm Death recommendations!  I'm off to
CDNow....

______________________________________________________________________
Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately,
and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music."

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:58:52 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)

Tom!

Before you go and click "order," check the prices at Earache.com.  I haven't
shopped online there, but I know that their mail-order prices are vastly
lower than anywhere else I've seen - usually $11 postpaid per disc, if
memory serves.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Steven Mackey, Tuck and Roll, New World Sym/Tilson Thomas (RCA)

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
[e-mail]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 1:53 PM
To: [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)

P.S.  Thanks for all the great Napalm Death recommendations!  I'm off to
CDNow....


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