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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #554
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, August 28 2001 Volume 03 : Number 554
In this issue:
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Re: SABBATH
Re: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)
Re: serge recs
CARCASS DVD (Was: ND recommendations?)
-- Chicago Recommendations (NZC) --
RE: -- Chicago Recommendations (NZC) --
Sir Duke (Bill Ware, Marc Ribot) upcoming in KFR?
BLACK SABBATH live, NAPALM DEATH video, etc
question
SWANS video, SONIC YOUTH and ZORN on UK TV
Cocteau Twins (was: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!))
BOREDOMS recommendations, etc
RE: Cocteau Twins (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)
Re: SWANS video, SONIC YOUTH and ZORN on UK TV
RE: Cocteau Twins (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)
Re: SWANS video, SONIC YOUTH and ZORN on UK TV
Re: Cocteau Twins (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)
RE: Lords of CHOAS!
RE: Lords of CHAOS!
Re: Lords of CHAOS, etc.
Re: Napalm Death recommendations?
RE: Lords of CHAOS!
Re: RE: Napalm Death recommendations?
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:14:04 -0400
From: "David Beardsley" <db@biink.com>
Subject: Re: SABBATH
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Marcin Gokieli <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Beardsley" <db@biink.com>
>
>
> > The album with Purples Ian Gillan, Never Say Die is great too. He was
> Jesus
> > in the original
> > London cast production of Jesus Christ Superstar (I think) and after his
> > 1st gig with Deep Purple, he ended up in Black Sabbath. Hee-he....
>
> Geez...
> don't you know that it's a bad thing to lie? ;-)
> Never say die featured Ozzy, gillan's album is 'born again' - very good,
> gillan has a great voice, very natural.
That's right - fixate on the typo and ignore what I wrote in the previous
paragraph. I mistakenly wrote Never Say Die instead of Born Again.
* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:17:20 -0400
From: "David Beardsley" <db@biink.com>
Subject: Re: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Revue des Fossiles <revuedesfossiles@hotmail.com>
> >Do NOT buy later albums.
>
> What,and miss out on ICE-T's classic contribution to straight to the cut
out
> bin "Forbidden" or the teleprompter reading antics of "Reunion?" Gee . .
.
> I even have a soft spot for the Wayne World's single sporting Dio line-up
> reunion "Dehumanizer," everyone here seems to dismiss.
I wouldn't dismiss Dehumanizer, I did forget it though. Another great
Sabbath album.
* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:13:27 -0400
From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com
Subject: Re: serge recs
FWIW, there was an article in the Sunday NYTimes about him:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/26/arts/26ROSE.html?searchpv=day02
Glenn Lea
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:32:49 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: CARCASS DVD (Was: ND recommendations?)
>Speaking of Earache DVD, anyone seen the new Carcass disc >yet? Two live
>sets plus music videos is what I've heard about it, but
>I've never found it
>in stores locally - only Cathedral, which frankly don't do >much for me.
- ---------------
I have this DVD. I have to admit that I was a huge CARCASS fan some years
ago, then I lost interest, but recently I started to listen to it again.
The DVD is not that great IMO. The promotional videos are really bad, maybe
the two big-budget ones, "Heartwork and No Love Lost", are OK, but not
great. the two live shows are better, one from the NECROTICISM period (GODS
OF GRIND tour) and another one from the SYMPHONIES album (GRINDCRUSHER
tour). I think the one that's more interesting is the GRINDCRUSHER one,
where you can see that the band is still in a more rough kind of playing ...
although nobody moves, they just stay where they are and play through 6 or 7
songs. It's also pretty good to see the vocal interaction between Jeff
Walker and Bill Steer, where Jeff has two mics with different effects.
If you're a big CARCASS fan, get it ... since I lost a lot of interest in
the band, I think I can live without it. It's gonna be some time before I
see it again.
Neil H. Enet
- ------------
NP. Depeche Mode - In Your Room (single)
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:31:56 -0400
From: "Kim, Pei-Yi" <peiyi_kim@merck.com>
Subject: -- Chicago Recommendations (NZC) --
Dear music lovers,
I will be headed to the Windy City of Chicago for the first time
ever this weekend starting Thursday night. Recommendations for good live
music in the general area is appreciated. I know that there is a Jazzfest in
town for the weekend and would love any suggestions on which shows I should
make my best attempts in hearing.
Please respond to peiyi_kim@merck.com
Thanks,
Pei-Yi
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:42:06 -0400
From: "Sean Westergaard" <seawes@allmusic.com>
Subject: RE: -- Chicago Recommendations (NZC) --
Fred Anderson has a cool club called the Velvet Lounge on South Indiana.
There's also the Empty Bottle on Western, home to VAndermark 5's weekly
tuesday gigs. Be sure to stop by Jazz record Mart on 444 N. Wabash- it's a
jazz lover's mecca. you can also probably get a copy of the Reader there;
it's the best guide to what's going on in the city, and it's free. have
fun. sean
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Kim, Pei-Yi
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 2:32 PM
To: 'zorn-list@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: -- Chicago Recommendations (NZC) --
Dear music lovers,
I will be headed to the Windy City of Chicago for the first time
ever this weekend starting Thursday night. Recommendations for good live
music in the general area is appreciated. I know that there is a Jazzfest in
town for the weekend and would love any suggestions on which shows I should
make my best attempts in hearing.
Please respond to peiyi_kim@merck.com
Thanks,
Pei-Yi
- -
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:07:26 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Sir Duke (Bill Ware, Marc Ribot) upcoming in KFR?
There is mention of a set of upcoming Fall releases on the KF web
site:
Coming This Fall
Mario Pavone Octet
Hasidic New Wave
Bill Ware's Vibes
Bruknaum
Sir Duke: Bill Ware, Marc Ribot
Any idea of what the "Sir Duke" project is?
Patrice.
NP: ORCHESTRAL WORKS VOL. 4: Witold Lutoslawski (Naxos)
NR: THE DEVILS OF LOUDUN: Huxley
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:16:23 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= <blackoperations13@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: BLACK SABBATH live, NAPALM DEATH video, etc
I'm wondering, did anyone else go to the BLACK SABBATH
reunion gigs at the Birmingham NEC in Dec 1997? I went
to the 2nd night, and to say the least, it was very
surreal. Shame about the support though, it was FEAR
FACTORY!
The NAPALM DEATH 'Live Corruption' video is essential,
as it any earlier video footage. There's always stuff
on trade lists, etc. It's fairly easy to get hold of.
Also worth a mention is the NAPALM DEATH feature on
DEF II : SNUB TV. A very much missed programme. Any
one else remember this? And the HEAVY METAL HEAVEN
programme that also featured SLAYER. Both featured
great interviews with the band. Again, these turn up
on trade lists...
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:17:40 +0200 (CEST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ricardo=20Campillo?= <houseofklang@yahoo.es>
Subject: question
I want to know if somedy lives in spain ,for
interchange material about Zorn.Here,sometimes are
very difficult to find things of Zorn.And more
difficult to see good shows.Except this thursday:
Schlippenbach Trio in my cityííí
Another question:LPs recommendables of Boredoms?
Thanks
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:23:00 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= <blackoperations13@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: SWANS video, SONIC YOUTH and ZORN on UK TV
Anyone got any early (up to and including 1986) SWANS
video footage? If so, I'd be interested in buying or
if something can be arranged, trading.
Anyone else seen THE SOUTH BANK SHOW from early 1989
that had quite lengthy features on SONIC YOUTH and
JOHN ZORN? Great programme, or at least that episode
was! I'm in the UK, so the Americanos, etc on here
probably haven't heard of it...
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:35:27 +0200
From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de>
Subject: Cocteau Twins (was: Black Sabbath (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!))
"Neil H. Enet" wrote:
> Neil H. Enet
> ------------
>
> NP. COCTEAU TWINS: head over heels / sunburst and snowblind
>
Neil.
Great to see someone else on the list being into this band!
patRice
np: Tabla Beat Science, Tala Matrix (got this in the mail today - and so far
quite like it)
nr: Tao Tao Liu Sanders, Dragons Gods & Spirits From Chinese Mythology
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:35:27 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= <blackoperations13@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: BOREDOMS recommendations, etc
BOREDOMS recommedations.
Again, it's probably best to start at the beginning in
chronological order. This way you can see how the band
evolved and developed into what they've become today.
My personal favourites are 'Onanie Bomb Meets The Sex
Pistols' and 'Soul Discharge'. However, I love every
BOREDOMS record.
For a BOREDOMS discography, go to:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/4207/Boredoms/boredisc.htm
Also highly recommended are Eye's HANATARASH and UFO
OR DIE.
For more information on these and many other BOREDOMS
related side project, etc, go to:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/4207/Boredoms/boreside.htm
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:59:44 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: RE: Cocteau Twins (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)
>Great to see someone else on the list being into this band! (COCTEAU TWINS)
patRice
- ---------------------------------
Good that you mention this, because I don't own very much of them, but I
would like to go deeper into their catalog. I own the following releases:
*GARLANDS
*HEAD OVER HEELS (Bonus: SUNBURST AND SNOWBLIND EP) Do all of these albums
come with the EP or is just somekind of special edition (My CD is french)
*BLUE BELL KNOLL
*HEAVEN OR LAS VEGAS
*TWINLIGHTS EP
I understand that the BBC collection is excellent, I would like to hear our
opinions on this band releases.
Neil H. Enet
- ------------
NP. Depeche Mode - Songs of Faith and Devotion Live
- -
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:57:16 -0700
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: SWANS video, SONIC YOUTH and ZORN on UK TV
>
> Anyone got any early (up to and including 1986) SWANS
> video footage? If so, I'd be interested in buying or
> if something can be arranged, trading.
>
> Anyone else seen THE SOUTH BANK SHOW from early 1989
> that had quite lengthy features on SONIC YOUTH and
> JOHN ZORN? Great programme, or at least that episode
> was! I'm in the UK, so the Americanos, etc on here
> probably haven't heard of it...
>
Is this the same stuff that wound up in the fiilm PUT SOME BLOOD IN THE
MUSIC?
skip h
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:59:45 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: Cocteau Twins (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)
'Treasure' is amazing. My first and best loved - a record that made me stop
what I was doing in a record store and immediately go ask what was playing,
then leave the store with it.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Kaija Saariaho, Graal Theatre, Gidon Kremer, BBC Sym/Salonen (Sony)
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:07:36 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= <blackoperations13@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: SWANS video, SONIC YOUTH and ZORN on UK TV
>Is this the same stuff that wound up in the film
>PUT SOME BLOOD IN THE MUSIC?
Actually, yes it is. Is there more on SY and JZ in the
actual film?
What/who else is featured in the film?
Is it available from anywhere?
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:10:27 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins (NO ZORN CONTENT!!!)
On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:59:45 -0400 "Steve Smith" wrote:
>
> 'Treasure' is amazing. My first and best loved - a record that made me stop
> what I was doing in a record store and immediately go ask what was playing,
> then leave the store with it.
I second it. "Lorelei" is one of the the most dreamy song (?) ever written!
You might tried to get also the record with "Carolyn's Fingers": 100% guaranteed
ear candy.
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:49:39 -0500
From: "Samuel Quentin" <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Lords of CHOAS!
hi,
I noticed you mentioned Sleep. Do you (or anybody) know maybe a website
where i could obtain an album by them? especially 'Jerusalem'. and how
does Jerusalem compare with their other albums?
thanks,
Samuel
If you're talking about Sabbath-like sludgecore with detuned guitars
crunching down, then I would suggest Corrupted, Weakling, Sleep, Burning
Witch and, on the somewhat lighter side of stoner rock, Kyuss and High On
Fire.
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:00:20 -0400
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Lords of CHAOS!
>That would be pop music. Those bands have basically
>taken only the most easily identifiable (and
>imitatable) characteristics of death metal (Cookie
>Monster vocals, guitar tones, etc.) and have grafted
>them onto basic pop structures. Hooray.
Actually I was referring to "real" heavy metal, many of the same names that
have been in this thread. I just live in a city with great noncommercial
radio stations.
Lang
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:14:16 -0500
From: "Samuel Quentin" <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Lords of CHAOS, etc.
If one likes metal related bands in this 'territory'? (What are they
THINKING?/metal offshoots, etc) try Korova Kill. I really like this band.
they used to be called Korova and those albums are just as good. the
members are involved in more strictly metal contexts. i've heard some of
it, and remember liking the member's other projects, but just can't remember
the names of these bands.
also, maybe somewhat related to this i guess. and probably likeable to
fans of Naked City, is the Japanese black metal band Sigh. they are just
great great great.
well, i think i'll be checking out these Nor. post black metal bands you
mentioned. thanks.
-Samuel
Others in this territory (Norwegian post-black metal?) are Solefald,
Dodheimsgard, Fleurety ('Department of Apocalyptic Affairs' is absolutely
baffling, weirder than Arcturus but not quite as good). I must say that the
"what are they THINKING?" factor often weighs in on my enjoyment of these
groups, but it's not the only factor, and it doesn't mean they aren't
"smart" -- there's just a totally foreign sensibility at work (to my ears).
It's worth noting, though, that none of these groups has much in common w/
more "techincal" stuff like Meshuggah or Dillinger Escape Plan or death
metal or anything like that. Also, this stuff (Fleurety, Arcturus, etc) may
be an acquired taste since there is really nothing to compare it to ...
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:16:16 -0700
From: Michael Howes <mhowes@best.com>
Subject: Re: Napalm Death recommendations?
>Napalm Death recommendations?
Napalm Death started out not a metal band.
With each successive album they got more metal and even at times death
metal like.
With each successive album they slowed down
With each successive album they got less noisy.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing....I've liked them a LOT until very
recently when they just slowed down to much and seem to plod a long not
slow enough to be slow and for sure a far cry from their grindcore days.
I'd get....in order....
the CD that contains "Scum" from 1986/87 and "From Enslavement to
Obliteration" from 1988
"Death By Manipulation" from 1991
"Utopia Banished" from 1992
"the Peal Sessions" which is actually 2 sessions if not three on one CD
"Leaders Not Followers" from 1999 which is a collection of covers by ND of
old Punk and hardcore they like
I'll probably get under someone's skin for not mentioning "Harmony
Curruption" from 1990 but I find it a bit spotty compared to the others.
There are some GREAT songs but I also think there are some nothing songs....
mike
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:38:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Peter Beddow <peterbeddow@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Lords of CHAOS!
- --- Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Actually I was referring to "real" heavy metal, many
> of the same names that
> have been in this thread.
Oh, okay. I thought for sure you were referring to
the "numetal" stuff.
I just live in a city
> with great noncommercial
> radio stations.
Lucky! I've been looking for good metal shows on the
radio, even though I don't listen to it all that much.
It's good to know what's going on out there...
Pete
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:56:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= <Enfermo@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Napalm Death recommendations?
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:40:32 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Speaking of Earache DVD, anyone seen the new Carcass disc yet? Two
live
sets plus music videos is what I've heard about it, but I've never
found it
in stores locally - only Cathedral, which frankly don't do much for
me.
- ----------------
Carcass' "Wake Up and Smell the Carcass" came out on video in late
1996. It has almost all their clips (minus the legendary and
ultra-rare "Reek of Putrefaction"), a live show from the Necroticism
era which is pretty decent, and another live show from the
Grindcrusher tour, circa 1989, which just sucks... or maybe that's
just because I'm not the biggest fan of Symphonies of Sickness... So
you could say I was minorly dissapointed when I got it. I expected it
to be a bit more special/better put together... ah well.
Anyway, the DVD has the exact same contents than the VHS version. If
you don't have the latter, you might as well get it.
A
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